I had always recommended that the sensor damp with sig res script making your signature size smaller to the ship you target.

Anti missile defenses already exist.


They are called smartbombs.

Any missile larger than rockets suffer from downright suckage, the bigger they get, the worse, there's the lol-cruise and uber-lol-citidel-cruise.

The real reason nobody use defenders is that missiles suck so much it's not worth a utility high to defend against. Think about that. Buff missiles first, then implement a counter and ppl will use it.

Use of defenders is also hampered by their ineffectiveness and situational application. Missiles would need to be overbuffed to the point of being FOTM and see higher use than other weapons to the point that other uses of utility highs such as neuts would be considered an inferior use of a slot.

Even then the limitations and overall effectiveness of defenders would still likely not see them into prominence in ship fittings as they would still be relatively ineffective as compared to a TD vs a turret ship or a neut vs anything with cap dependance. Not to mention they scale horribly with engagement size and can only provide benefit to a single ship whereas ewar reduces combat effectiveness of an opponent regardless of who they are aggressing.

Ask yourself this: If defenders were moved from utility high to mid just like td, will ppl use them? Oh wait, mid is often considered more valuable than utility high.

That one slot defender negates much more dps than 1 slot of missile, as its rof is far higher. It all works on paper, but not in practice, because missiles, unlike guns, aren't worth defending against in practice.

You mentioned scaling and engagement size's effect on defenders. So how about missiles and scaling? In blob fights, missiles are even less worth defending against, that's your real reason for scaling issues of defenders...

If I fit B to counter A, and opponent don't use A, then my fitting choice would be useless. That's fitting choice working as intended.

If A sucks so much few people bother to use it, B becomes increasingly useless. This can be balanced by unsucking A.

Dafuq? Don't think you quite understand that module

No I actually do....I don't think you read what I wrote correctly.

Tried rereading it, still think your interpretation of that mods effects is wrong. Sensor damps have mo effect on the missiles explosion radius or your own sig radius.

*sigh*

You really didn't read very hard did you ?

He said he has recommended changing damps so that they work the way he said.

He understands exactly how they work now, you just can't read.

Sensor damps with res scripts lower scan res which makes locking take longer. Once locked they cause no change in the way modules and weapons perform. His sig is the same for the missiles I fired, It never went down. My explosion radius never went up. It just took me longer to lock before beginning to fire. So what am I missing here?

Edit: Really, I have to ask, is sensor damping not a well understood mechanic? Do people understand that there is no relationship between scan res (which isn't sig rad) and missile damage potential?

Dude, he said he wants to change the way they work. CHANGE THE WAY THEY WORK. CHANGE.

Anti missile defenses already exist. They are called (in no particular order):

Afterburners
Micro Warp Drives
Armour tanks (i.e NOT shield extenders/rigs)
Smartbombs
Defender missiles (LOL, but still, they exist)
Skirmish Warfare Link - Rapid Deployment I and II
Skirmish Warfare Link - Evasive Maneuvers I and II
Low and High grade Halo implants
Low and High grade Snake implants
'Rogue' Navigation implants

. CHANGE THE WAY THEY WORK. CHANGE.

Hi All,

I remember that CCP discussed some time ago to make Tracking Disruptors also work on missiles. However, since this has the potential to completely break missiles they decided to wait a bit and rework their ideas. Current status is that Defender Missiles are still broken and I haven't heard anything about Anti-Missile defenses recently. Did I miss something or is this topic already burried?

Regards.
Med

Ah, thank you. Apparently I did misread.

I would like it when tracking disruption would affect missiles. That would mean that tracking computers and enchancens would affect them too giving me something other than target painters or BCU's to fit in the mids/lows. And ofc lets not forget the tracking links which can be pretty substantial when applied from a logi with bonuses to these.

Implementation could be pretty straightforward. Optimal range script lowers either flight time or missile speed - I would prefer flight time and tracking disruption script could increase / decrease missile signature. Raven might be pretty good at spanking frigs then if you drop the cruise missile sig down to ~50 with 3x shadow Serpentis tracking link from a minmatar logi orbiting it.

Exactly this would make missiles completely overpowered because it would allow you to switch just per Tracking Computer Script from a very very long range weapon to a very very precise and frigate weapon. Currently logic is... you can go snipy but then are vulnerable to close range attacks or you go brawly which makes you vulnerable to long range attackes. You would get benefits of both worlds without the penalities of both! Bad idea in terms of game balance.