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Sentani
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Posted - 2005.07.23 18:29:00 -
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large NOSes and NEUTs are overpowered twords smaller targets...
and i came up with this idea...
think noses and neuts should take a percentage instead of a set number...
would even it out so frigs and cruisers can attack BSes...
noses would get a percentage of the percentage...
should be like 5% for NOS and 15% base and then you would get a bonus if depending on the class of the target...
talked about his idea in a regional chat and got flamed...
hope i fare better here 
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Sgt Spiff
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Posted - 2005.07.23 18:32:00 -
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I think it's perfectly logical that a heavy neutraliser will completely drain a tiny frigate.
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Mallik Hendrake
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Posted - 2005.07.23 18:35:00 -
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I think if they can have size categories they can have failrates vs. smaller ships. If you're gonna screw one thing that way you might as well screw everything. Give heavy nosses a damned tracking speed. It should damned well be that way :) If you wanna kill frigates, get a webber and some drones or smaller guns, there shouldn't be a catchall bandaid to make bs's capable of pwning frigates.
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Goberth Ludwig
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Posted - 2005.07.23 18:39:00 -
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Edited by: Goberth Ludwig on 23/07/2005 18:40:34
Edited by: Goberth Ludwig on 23/07/2005 18:40:08
Noooooo my inty cannot wtfpwn anything and everything!!!
EDIT: Oh and frigs and cruisers can ALREADY attack BSes, heck they can even solo them if the pilot is better.
- Gob |
Sentani
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Posted - 2005.07.23 18:41:00 -
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 Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
Noooooo my inty cannot wtfpwn anything and everything!!!
ohnoes someone wants to remove my win-button
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Goberth Ludwig
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Posted - 2005.07.23 18:43:00 -
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Its not a win button, you need to sacrfice guns to fit those, they take highslots and loads of PG ...
And again, they wont help against MULTIPLE frigades - but no obviously someone wants to fly around in his Taranis and pop battleships like they wer candies.
- Gob |
Sentani
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Posted - 2005.07.23 18:46:00 -
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and someone here wants to fly around in his batttleship fearing nothing but other battle ships...
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Goberth Ludwig
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Posted - 2005.07.23 18:50:00 -
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Umm... and whats wrong in a 120 milion Battleship not being afraid of a single 100k isk frigade mister Holmes?
- Gob |
Sentani
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Posted - 2005.07.23 18:59:00 -
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Edited by: Sentani on 23/07/2005 19:01:24
in the real world a single molovot coctail costing a few bucks can takeout a single tank worth like 4.3 million dollar
there should be some reality in eve
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JoeSomebody
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Posted - 2005.07.23 19:06:00 -
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Originally by: Sentani
Edited by: Sentani on 23/07/2005 19:01:24
in the real world a single molovot coctail costing a few bucks can takeout a single tank worth like 4.3 million dollar
there should be some reality in eve
next thing you know every1 will fly frigs... what are you ppl stupid? Think twice before asking for something, cuz you may actually get it
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When flying by Concord Customs Commander's Dominix I distinctly heard him saying "... world domination..." |
Goberth Ludwig
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Posted - 2005.07.23 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: Sentani
Edited by: Sentani on 23/07/2005 19:01:24
in the real world a single molovot coctail costing a few bucks can takeout a single tank worth like 4.3 million dollar
there should be some reality in eve
Ahhh !!!
How could I not think of the Molotovs???
I totally see your point now, you just opened my eyes to the truth about BS vs Frigs dynamics.
DOWN WITH THE EBIL NOS'es !!! 
- Gob |
Black January
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Posted - 2005.07.23 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: Sentani
Edited by: Sentani on 23/07/2005 19:01:24
in the real world a single molovot coctail costing a few bucks can takeout a single tank worth like 4.3 million dollar
there should be some reality in eve
In the real world we don't fly around in space ships killing eachother for fun.
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Sentani
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Posted - 2005.07.23 19:11:00 -
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can we just get past this stupid thing...
all i to get is to get a frikken unpartial feedback on this percentage idea...
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JoeSomebody
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Posted - 2005.07.23 19:17:00 -
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Edited by: JoeSomebody on 23/07/2005 19:17:46
feedback on this percentage idea: NOSes do not wtfpwn frigs, web and drones do. The fact that you out of cap doesnt mean that you cannt warp away or orbit at like 500m still untouchable by BS guns. So no, NOS/Neutralizers should not get nerfed.
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When flying by Concord Customs Commander's Dominix I distinctly heard him saying "... world domination..." |
Goberth Ludwig
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Posted - 2005.07.23 19:18:00 -
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Originally by: Sentani
can we just get past this stupid thing...
all i to get is to get a frikken unpartial feedback on this percentage idea...
Awww look at them! Its the evil battleship lobby!!!
But they wont be laughing when the ghetto of EVE takes over the universe with their rookie ships... ah I tell you they wont be laughing at all! 
- Gob |
Gabriel Karade
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Posted - 2005.07.23 19:23:00 -
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It's not exactly difficult to attack Battleships as it is... stay above 10km, use longer range guns and laugh at the light drones.
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(O.o)
(> <) "That's no ordinary rabbit!...that's the most foul, cruel and bad-tempered rodent you ever set eyes on" |
Captain Rod
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Posted - 2005.07.23 20:01:00 -
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Nos and neuts are the less obvious, more of the intelligent guys weapon, I dont believe they should be nerfed. All run of the mill bs weapons can't hit inties for much now.
A BS will have a difficult enough time fending off elite frigs as it is.
Just because your cap gets sucked out of you, doesnt mean your podded. A BS has to sacrifice their damage output vs other BS in order to fit this so called super win weapon. A BS has to fit med slots like webber and painter in order to increase frig defence and again sacrifices defence vs larger targets.
If you are an inty, assault frig or bog standard frig pilot and probably in a big gang to drop a bs then please all you need do is get out of scramble range or web range, warp out and back.
That aint so tough is it? What do you want to do next? Ask for Smart bombs to do less damage vs smaller targets too?
Just so you can be David bringing down Goliath and believe yourself to be so good?
Unless you expect a frigate to beat a bs hands down and that to be "realistic". It is the only reason why a larger ship can win 1 vs 1 if equipped. I say "if" as most people don't use them in my opinion.
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Bracius
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Posted - 2005.07.23 20:26:00 -
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nosfs are ok...
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Liu Kaskakka
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Posted - 2005.07.23 20:50:00 -
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Originally by: Sentani
talked about his idea in a regional chat and got flamed...
w00t, you have found intelligent life forms.
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Celador Nane
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Posted - 2005.07.23 22:51:00 -
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Ok all i fly now are Af's atm, and i dont want NOS's or Neut's to be nerfed, bs need some defence against the already overpowerful T2 ships :/ , also using a percentage drain base would be hard to figure out (ie. 3 frigs with small N draining bs in no time), come on bs dont hit frigs, drones on most ships suck, and now torps are a joke.(ie juggernaut torpedo hits you knocking ur can of fanta over) Leaves NOS's and neuts i say....
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Altai Saker
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Posted - 2005.07.23 23:42:00 -
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Noses are the only thing that a bs has over anything... no big deal imo
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Goberth Ludwig
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Posted - 2005.07.23 23:56:00 -
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All you guys are so biased!!!
All you want is to be uber in your battleships! Wont anyome think of the ghetto frigs eh? Wont anyone PLEASE think of the ghetto frigs!!
Didnt u read the molotov example? NOS must go!
- Gob |
Nyxus
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Posted - 2005.07.24 00:27:00 -
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Nos don't kill you. If anything it just renders you a bit less effective. So what. Nos are fine as is, T2 frigates are way overpowered and do 10 times the damage that is reasonable.
On another subject:
Quote:
juggernaut torpedo hits you knocking ur can of fanta over
That has to be the funniest thing I have read all day. Definitely quoteworthy.
Nyxus
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Selim
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Posted - 2005.07.24 00:34:00 -
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Originally by: Sentani
Edited by: Sentani on 23/07/2005 19:01:24
in the real world a single molovot coctail costing a few bucks can takeout a single tank worth like 4.3 million dollar
there should be some reality in eve
Not only does real life not matter in EVE, you're also wrong. Molotov*****tails only worked in ww2 because the undersides were unprotected, and the crew would burn up - the tank would not be affected.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.07.24 00:35:00 -
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This thread is a war crime.
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Spam Javelin
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Posted - 2005.07.24 00:40:00 -
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Originally by: Celador Nane
juggernaut torpedo hits you knocking ur can of fanta over
Quality! Round of applause for that one
Though, in my case the can is much more likely to contain Guinness. So that would be going back to the old days of torps insta killing frigs coz i would have to self destruct due to the distress that would cause me
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Bleakheart
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Posted - 2005.07.24 00:47:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Rod
That aint so tough is it? What do you want to do next? Ask for Smart bombs to do less damage vs smaller targets too?
Wish there was a Search function on these forums, I'd quote you the post asking for exactly that. True story.
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Koth Krakenworth
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Posted - 2005.07.24 02:10:00 -
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Scenario:
In a clost future, you're sitting in an Apocolypse class battleship in a 0.0 system killing NPC's. You have tachyons fitted, and a nice tank to go. And not to cripple your setup, you decided not to use warp core stablizers. A pirate happens to pass by, and out of curiousity (and hopes to get a nice kill) warps into the belt, starting to scramble the big mighty battleship. Buzzing around him at 4000 m/s and at a safe 10-15km distance, the frigate easily stays out of harm, and the moment drones are set to him, he easily dispatches them without any greater damage done to him. Now, because of this thread, nos'es were banned so unfortunately, the pilot in the apoc got to do something else to save his fine ship. Let's look at his choices.
A. He could log out, hoping the pvp timer isn't long enough for him to get blown up by either the frigs or his friends. (lame)
B. He can start impulsing towards towhere, go to bed and hope downtime will occur before he's dead.
C. Call for backup, even though his nearest friend is 25 jumps away and he'll probably sit safe and sound in a nearby cloning station by the time he reaches the apoc.
D. Hope that a NPC pirate faction doesn't hate him enough to not send him a couple of ships to help him with the bugger locking down his ship, although they might just as well target him instead.
E. Self-destruct, why let the pirate get the killmail.
The most likely result is that the pirate will take a cup of coffee while waiting for his friends to make a quick job about the battleship. Do you think this is "realistic" too?
"It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes."
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Karazaan
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Posted - 2005.07.24 03:04:00 -
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Originally by: Sentani
large NOSes and NEUTs are overpowered twords smaller targets...
You should take a look at how much PG they take. Really, take a look at compare to large turrets, you might be surprised.
And using a neut clear your own cap too, so, the frig lose 100 and the bs lose 500!
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Razner Cerizo
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Posted - 2005.07.24 03:19:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
This thread is a war crime.
I miss your old siggy :(
Leave nos alone :D
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