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Beggs	Posted - 2005.07.26 16:27:00 - [91] Edited by: Beggs on 26/07/2005 16:27:22 Originally by: Sturmgrenadier SGHQ's pos in y-2ano was subverted by a spy this morning after downtime. ****ting on people you've befriended is just plain wrong in my opinion, the underhand tactics employed by some make me sick. Keep your chin up SGHQ, i was always proud to fly alongside such honourable pilots when DMGI was in FA. Beggs DMGI
KOTH Fluf	Posted - 2005.07.26 17:56:00 - [92] I repeat again, there was no bug. We could not load Strontium into the POS's until the shields were recharged to 50%. It took us 2 1/2 hrs to recharge the shields to full power after it came out of reinforced mode the first time. We had to recharge the shields to 50% to remove the strontium from the POS to take it down. The only bug you thought you saw was the one where it went back into reinforced mode after coming out. After the first attack, we recharged the shields to full and I put 1 day 18hrs of strontium in the tower. After your 2nd attack, it went back into reinforced mode for 1 day 3hrs. When it came out of that period, it went back in for another 7 hrs. Then another 3hr after that period, and finally another 1hr for the final period, leaving a small bit of strontium still in the tower. Believe me I know what it takes to take out a POS. Ive done it. It takes a full commitment of forces for over 24hrs. That means non-stop. That is where you failed. And yes all the POS in the D4KU area had been schedule for changeout, with the coming of dreadnaughts. You just caused us to do it a little quicker. Fluf CEO Elite Academy
Dianabolic	Posted - 2005.07.26 21:32:00 - [93] Koth, let me say this once more for you: 1 - we had cov ops on the pos that went out of reinforced. 2 - you didn't charge the shields, because you were inside them and they can't be locked. 3 - it's a bug, you were able to refuel them whilst it was in reinforced mode. Enjoy your day.
KOTH Fluf	Posted - 2005.07.26 21:51:00 - [94] Originally by: Dianabolic Koth, let me say this once more for you: 1 - we had cov ops on the pos that went out of reinforced. 2 - you didn't charge the shields, because you were inside them and they can't be locked. 3 - it's a bug, you were able to refuel them whilst it was in reinforced mode. Enjoy your day. Wrong we never refueled them while it was in reinforced mode. As we have been trying to point out, when the POS went into reinforce mode, it only used 80% of the strontium inside its hangar. Once it came out of reinforced mode, saw that it was still at 20% shields, it went back into reinforced mode using 80% of the fuel it still had in the hangar. It did this 4 times after the 2nd attack before it finally ran out of strontium. We did put more fuel in it after your first attack. We charged the shields to over 50% and put 1 day 18hrs of fuel in it. And as I stated above, we couldnt even take the POS down until the shields had been recharged to 50%, because it would not allow us to remove the strontium either. Whether the POS using only 80% of the strontium is due to a bug from the station being claimed as FA space or not, is another matter. The point is, the POS did stay in reinforced mode for 1 day 18hrs, for the ammount of fuel it had in it. It just did it in for different times. Not at any time were we able to put more fuel in it without the shields being over 50%. Fluf CEO Elite Academy
qtip	Posted - 2005.07.26 22:20:00 - [95] We shot it into reinforced mode and the timer said something like 2 hours. After the 2 hour countdown it went straight into reinforced mode again for 6 hours. This makes your 20%-theroy pretty useless..
Paul Castrin	Posted - 2005.07.26 22:48:00 - [96] Originally by: qtip We shot it into reinforced mode and the timer said something like 2 hours. After the 2 hour countdown it went straight into reinforced mode again for 6 hours. This makes your 20%-theroy pretty useless.. Is that the first time or afterward? Are you sure this was the ELA tower and not the other one in the same system? I ask not to be argumentative but to get a better idea of how it worked. See I had 10 hours of Strontium Clathrates in our (ELA's) tower so if it went into reinforced mode for only 2 hours the first time that makes no sense. I really wish I had been in town during all of this. As one of the people "in charge" of maintaining our towers and with so little data on how they respond to certain situations I wish I had been able to observe first hand the results. In the case of the tower ELA attacked and killed it was all fairly straight forward but with these new fuel rate modifications (based on sovereignty) things seem out of whack. But unfortunately all I can do is try and piece it together from third hand observations. Ah well. To all those in BoB that attacked gg, wish I had been there to see another POS assault (even if it would have been from the other side ).
Dianabolic	Posted - 2005.07.26 22:57:00 - [97] Paul, the pos did indeed have 10hrs of stront in it. We camped that system for the entire time, your fleet arrived about 30mins before it came out of reinforced mode. We engaged, people died, etc. The FA fleet then warped to these pos to be under the protection of its guns (another acknowledged bug, all structures are supposed to go offline in reinforced mode) and started moving stront from one pos to the other. We watched, we waited, we came to our attack spot ready to warp in as the counter ticked down... the shields were not recharged, they did not recharge, teh timer hit zero and... the reinforced bar switched IMMEDIATELY to 1d18h (or something along those lines). No down period, no offlined guns, nada. It's not how it is supposed to work, as confirmed by the bug hunters, I'd be more than happy to explain / answer your questions if u wanna convo me in-game, but that's the last time I'm explaining this on the forums...
Paul Castrin	Posted - 2005.07.26 23:08:00 - [98] Originally by: Dianabolic Paul, the pos did indeed have 10hrs of stront in it. ... I'd be more than happy to explain / answer your questions if u wanna convo me in-game, but that's the last time I'm explaining this on the forums... Not necessary and thanks for the clarification. My goal is not to point fingers but to ensure what I know (knew) is accurate and to understand how it all went down. I agree however that this subject should be dropped from the forums. Certainly from this thread at the least. Well met and see you in space.
Ranger 1	Posted - 2005.07.26 23:11:00 - [99] Originally by: Sochin Originally by: Ranger 1 Edited by: Ranger 1 on 24/07/2005 23:05:21 This is true, after the attack that day subsided and the POS finally came out of reinforced mode for the second time, the shields were boosted to the point where it would allow more fuel and strontium to be added. I'm sorry if I was unclear or inadvertantly confused the issue. I think I see what happened. We had organized and timed our operation to destroy the POS when it was supposed to come out of reinforced mode. As we've established, due to a bug the POS immediately re-entered reinforced mode for a short time (couple of hours I think). Unfortunantly, this really screwed up the timing of our attack, and the vast majority of our fleet had to go to bed or stop playing before it came out of reinforced for the second (real) time. This allowed you to recharge the shields enough to add more fuel, which reset the bug so we experienced the exact same issue when we tried again the next day. You then removed the POS before we had an opportunity to catch it when it came out of reinforced for "real". As stated before, this man has it exactly correct. Fluff, I think your stating the same thing but in a backwards sort of way. However Fluff is correct in that it is impossible to do a thing with your POS while in reinforced mode.... recharging the shields is possible right after it comes out of reinforced mode for the final time (I still call it popping in and out a bug), and once above 50% charge you can add/remove fuel or take it down again. Its funny how people can be saying nearly the exact same thing, but phrase it so that it sounds completely the opposite. That's not a moon... that's my POS
Drilla	Posted - 2005.07.27 10:24:00 - [100] Congrats to BoB for a job well done! Can I come up and see the mating dance of Blacklight and Dianabolic now? EVE System Security - Killboard (still early alpha)

Dianabolic	Posted - 2005.07.27 15:11:00 - [101] Originally by: Drilla Congrats to BoB for a job well done! Can I come up and see the mating dance of Blacklight and Dianabolic now? My arms are still tired from the last time :(


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