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Sturmgrenadier
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Posted - 2005.07.23 22:26:00 -
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Edited by: Sturmgrenadier on 23/07/2005 22:40:33
SGHQ's pos in y-2ano was subverted by a spy this morning after downtime. We do not regret the trust we placed in a member of SGHQ.
The mechanism we feel that has failed us as regards the loss of the POS is the game mechanic that makes necessary the same access to use any part of the POS also makes one available to offline the POS structure. We naturally will pursue this issue with CCP to whatever end in the hopes of futher improving an already great game.
SGHQ wishes to thank the many corporations and individuals that have expressed their support for us in this time of plight. Our heartfelt thanks go out to you, our friends.
This act has only served to harden our resolve in supporting the Fountain Alliance, defending our home, and securing eventual victory over BoB and FA's enemies.
!S
Regards,
Sturmgrenadier
CEO of Sturmgrenadier Inc.
Proud members of the Fountain Alliance
(Replies to this post will not be answered per company policy.)
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SirMolle
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Posted - 2005.07.23 22:39:00 -
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Edited by: SirMolle on 23/07/2005 23:13:25
For reference;
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=197135
The offer;
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=204201
The price to pay to not accept the offer;
1 POS less, 105 ships less, countless other things....
This is all.
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corporal hicks
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Posted - 2005.07.23 23:16:00 -
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O my Lord the amount of stuff you guys had in the pos with stations in the same area, your nuts.
" Stay Frosty "
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Soul Raven
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Posted - 2005.07.23 23:23:00 -
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Its just such a shame the game has to be played this way
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CrusherDK
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Posted - 2005.07.23 23:27:00 -
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So as i think this act wasnt combat accomplishment from BoB?
IMO, the corp who did it, doesnt deserve any respect. 'Someone' attacked 2 FA POS and failed. Now SGHQ POS 'accidently' go down by spy.
No names. Put up facts and youll see some names.
Thats all. (c)
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Ivellios
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Posted - 2005.07.24 00:07:00 -
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How sad. Eve has degraded to the point that mindless cheats can call themselves victors and heap praise upon themselves for a job well done.
Fact of the matter is that the only way bob took down ANY POS at all was through duplicity and unsportsman like conduct.
BOB had previously, legitimately tried to destroy no less than 3 FA POS setups, all of them small control towers I might add. They failed utterly and completely. So now the only revenge for them was to do it in a shameful way.
You are a discredit to gammers everywhere.
When at last they discover the center of the universe there will be many people who will be dissapointed that they are not it. |
TWD
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Posted - 2005.07.24 00:15:00 -
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hehe, reality check please. |
CrusherDK
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Posted - 2005.07.24 00:27:00 -
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 Originally by: TWD
hehe, reality check please.
*checked*
BoB didnt destroyed any of POS they attacked(small ones). So as we wont name anyone in particular. But your 'reality' is pretty real.
For you and others ill point it again:
- 'Someone' attacks FA POSes and fails.
- 'Accidently' Large SGHQ POS goes offline.
- 'Someone' pack it into indys and takes away.
Want another reality check?
So much of an 'alliance destroyers'. Now its not about just game, now its about to make people feel bad about any new member they will accept in future. Such thing can even destroy relationships in corporation.
Nothing but a un-respected and low-grade act here.
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Robert Oobbs
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Posted - 2005.07.24 00:30:00 -
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Originally by: Ivellios
You are a discredit to gammers everywhere.
1. gamÀmer ( P )
An elderly woman.
(Dictionary)
I fail to see the relevance...
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TWD
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Posted - 2005.07.24 00:34:00 -
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Edited by: TWD on 24/07/2005 00:34:07
We go and attack 2 small POS around d4ku.
We witnessed the rare occasion of an FA fleet being formed.
We got a fleet battle - Win.
We put the POS several times in reinforced mode.
We forced FA to take down both POS - Win.
Mission accomplished.
Oh, the only party failing here is FA  |
Ivellios
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Posted - 2005.07.24 00:35:00 -
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Ummm.. wrong again TWD.
When at last they discover the center of the universe there will be many people who will be dissapointed that they are not it. |
CrusherDK
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Posted - 2005.07.24 00:39:00 -
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Originally by: TWD
Edited by: TWD on 24/07/2005 00:34:07
We go and attack 2 small POS around d4ku.
We witnessed the rare occasion of an FA fleet being formed.
We got a fleet battle - Win.
We put the POS several times in reinforced mode.
We forced FA to take down both POS - Win.
Mission accomplished.
Oh, the only party failing here is FA
uh oh, another reality check requred i see
Well, i assume you know that small POSes were taken down and replaced with big ones.
p.s. just makes me laugh how that 'someone' tries to pretend nothing happened, lol
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TWD
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Posted - 2005.07.24 00:44:00 -
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An other interesting fact;
Here you can see the outdated alliance stats of the FA, having 8 systems claimed.
Its down to 4 systems now.
Enjoy. |
Alasse Cuthalion
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Posted - 2005.07.24 00:50:00 -
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What *actually* happened in 3ztv:
We attacked two FA POS's, one belonging to Ranger corp, the other to Elite Academy.
Both POS's were quickly put in to reinforced mode without suffering a single casualty, bar a cov ops which was shot down after the guns were supposed to have deactivated, gg ccp.
Just before the timer ran out on the first POS, FA grew a pair and tried to attack us, throwing a superior sized fleet at ours which was swiftly crushed (FA losing 7 bs to our 1 in a single engagement) when the second half of our fleet arrived shortly after. As the timer ran out it suddenly restarted with an ungodly amount of extra time, joy... Who thought it'd be a good idea to allow you to add extra Strontium? GG game mechanics. Rinse & repeat with POS no#2 (apart from the fleet bit, two fleet battles in a month is a bit much for FA it seems).
The next day we returned and promptly put another POS in to reinforced mode (took down two hostile bs to boot with zero losses) whilst the owners scurried around unanchoring the structures.
Eventually, both POS were removed by their owners and both corps left FA shortly afterwards.
So, in summary... BoB attacked two online POS's over a period of a weekend and lost one battleship in a fleet engagement whilst FA lost eleven (+ support) in total, both POS were removed and the corps that owned them left FA. The only thing that stopped us from making them phyiscally go *BANG* was Strontium and ****ty game mechanics.
I'm failing to see where the mighty FA succdeded the ebil BoB failed so miserably.
Please enlighten me.
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Fizgig
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Posted - 2005.07.24 01:15:00 -
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[quote}
Edited by: SirMolle on 23/07/2005 23:13:25
For reference;
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=197135
The offer;
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=204201
Where is the rest of the pictures. The ones that Show who your alt is in SGHQ? You know Black Sorceress. These pictures shows that BOB cannot take down a POS by force, but have to use ALTS to make sure all POS mods are offline.
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Porro
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Posted - 2005.07.24 01:17:00 -
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Originally by: Ivellios
Fact of the matter is that the only way bob took down ANY POS at all was through duplicity and unsportsman like conduct.
This made me chuckle when fa's 1v1 policy is to gang warp the opponent into a Hostile pos.
Pot Kettle Black.
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Alasse Cuthalion
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Posted - 2005.07.24 01:31:00 -
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Originally by: Fizgig
Where is the rest of the pictures. The ones that Show who your alt is in SGHQ? You know Black Sorceress. These pictures shows that BOB cannot take down a POS by force, but have to use ALTS to make sure all POS mods are offline.
Where are the screenshots of FA trying to attack a BoB POS? Probably the same place as the "FA honourable 1v1" and "FA putting up a valiant defence of Fountain" screenshots.
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Dyvim Slorm
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Posted - 2005.07.24 01:34:00 -
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Originally by: Fizgig
[quote}
Where is the rest of the pictures. The ones that Show who your alt is in SGHQ? You know Black Sorceress. These pictures shows that BOB cannot take down a POS by force, but have to use ALTS to make sure all POS mods are offline.
Can't see why you blame BoB for poor internal security
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Dracorimus
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Posted - 2005.07.24 01:41:00 -
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heheh
war is not won by guns alone ladies and gents, using your heads is FAR more useful
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http://www.killboard.net/?p=pilot&n=Dracorimus |
Hackett
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Posted - 2005.07.24 01:41:00 -
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There is a discussion about this? Why? There is only one answer to this puzzle.
We can smell the sea
Goodnight
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Estarriol
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Posted - 2005.07.24 01:42:00 -
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Edited by: Estarriol on 24/07/2005 01:44:28
Originally by: Fizgig
These pictures shows that BOB cannot take down a POS by force, but have to use ALTS to make sure all POS mods are offline.
Is this what you believe?
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Fizgig
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Posted - 2005.07.24 01:44:00 -
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I don't blame BOB about the Security issues. I am saying they get on here Bragging how they can take on Small POS's with thier fleet. Then they have to resort to Using Alts to take on the big ones. To me there is no Respect there.
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Fizgig
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Posted - 2005.07.24 01:48:00 -
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Edited by: Fizgig on 24/07/2005 01:50:57
Edited by: Fizgig on 24/07/2005 01:48:27
Quote:
Is this what you truly believe?
click me!
Yes, Look who is the only one in SGHQ corp at the time the picture was taken.
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Alasse Cuthalion
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Posted - 2005.07.24 01:54:00 -
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You need to a clue, you're embarrasing yourself.
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2005.07.24 02:37:00 -
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Comical.
Sorry chaps but spies and subterfuge are a pretty common tool in war and I know that some of you FA types have got your head so deeply buried in the sand you might not have realised... but... we are at war!
Eve Blacklight Style
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Orree
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Posted - 2005.07.24 04:10:00 -
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Originally by: CrusherDK
Originally by: TWD
hehe, reality check please.
*checked*
BoB didnt destroyed any of POS they attacked(small ones). So as we wont name anyone in particular. But your 'reality' is pretty real.
For you and others ill point it again:
- 'Someone' attacks FA POSes and fails.
- 'Accidently' Large SGHQ POS goes offline.
- 'Someone' pack it into indys and takes away.
Want another reality check?
So much of an 'alliance destroyers'. Now its not about just game, now its about to make people feel bad about any new member they will accept in future. Such thing can even destroy relationships in corporation.
Nothing but a un-respected and low-grade act here.
Honestly, TWD...We merely got bored of maintaining something we didn't need anymore. If we did, we wouldn't hesitate to replace our small tower with something larger. We have the parts. We just have no interest in putting another one up at this point and quite frankly, it has nothing to do with BoB.
Come correct. You failed to destroy the two small POS you attacked in three or four days of trying. Even ELA and Ranger Corp have managed to take down a small, moderately-armed, fully online POS, with fewer forces AND no drone spam in less than a day.
Seriously...you guys are good at what you do. Much respect for that. It just seems unnecessary to try to spin everything to make it look like a win.
I'm just sorry I missed the fleet battle. You guys are always fun to fight. I arrived after you guys started to disperse for the night.
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Orree
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Posted - 2005.07.24 04:14:00 -
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Originally by: Alasse Cuthalion
What *actually* happened in 3ztv:
We attacked two FA POS's, one belonging to Ranger corp, the other to Elite Academy.
Both POS's were quickly put in to reinforced mode without suffering a single casualty, bar a cov ops which was shot down after the guns were supposed to have deactivated, gg ccp.
Just before the timer ran out on the first POS, FA grew a pair and tried to attack us, throwing a superior sized fleet at ours which was swiftly crushed (FA losing 7 bs to our 1 in a single engagement) when the second half of our fleet arrived shortly after. As the timer ran out it suddenly restarted with an ungodly amount of extra time, joy... Who thought it'd be a good idea to allow you to add extra Strontium? GG game mechanics. Rinse & repeat with POS no#2 (apart from the fleet bit, two fleet battles in a month is a bit much for FA it seems).
The next day we returned and promptly put another POS in to reinforced mode (took down two hostile bs to boot with zero losses) whilst the owners scurried around unanchoring the structures.
Eventually, both POS were removed by their owners and both corps left FA shortly afterwards.
So, in summary... BoB attacked two online POS's over a period of a weekend and lost one battleship in a fleet engagement whilst FA lost eleven (+ support) in total, both POS were removed and the corps that owned them left FA. The only thing that stopped us from making them phyiscally go *BANG* was Strontium and ****ty game mechanics.
I'm failing to see where the mighty FA succdeded the ebil BoB failed so miserably.
Please enlighten me.
Yep..."GG" to the same type of silly "game mechanics" that allowed you guys to turn around and do what you did in Y-2. Same thing, really...not that I expect you to be big enough to admit it.
I, for one, am not claiming victory. I'm saying you failed to take down the POS and we took it down because we didn't need it anymore...not because you couldn't destroy it.
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Sochin
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Posted - 2005.07.24 05:06:00 -
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This is retarded. You claim we suck because we weren't able to destroy a POS that was constantly in reinforced mode? You are aware that when a POS in reinforced all we can do is sit back and watch the timer tick down. Game mechanics dictate that a POS is invulnerable as long as it's owners have Strontium to feed it.
Our only option is to wait for you to run out of Strontium or the will to keep feeding it, and since you removed the POS before that happened we never really got an opportunity to kill it.
Nemo me impune lacessit
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Sochin
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Posted - 2005.07.24 05:09:00 -
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Originally by: Orree
I, for one, am not claiming victory. I'm saying you failed to take down the POS and we took it down because we didn't need it anymore...not because you couldn't destroy it.
If you didn't want it anymore why the hell did you organize the largest FA fleet we've seen so far to protect it? Why the hell did you keep feeding it strontium for 3 days?
Nemo me impune lacessit
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Dogsta
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Posted - 2005.07.24 05:11:00 -
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Hi, well mostly acurate discription of what happened.
but the one inacurate statement that rings out is "
Who thought it'd be a good idea to allow you to add extra Strontium? GG game mechanics" the game does not allow for anymore strontnium to be added, in fact nuthing can be added whilst the shields are below 50%. What in fact happenes is the pos leaves a certain amount of stront( not spelling it out anymore), anyways it seems to continue to cycle down like that leaving i think 25% of the original amount each cycle. I dont think you can truly understand how annoying it is for the the defender :P ok thier asleep, ok take it down, wtf! meh. did we claim victory of the day, a little, but more for the frustration it must of been causing. sorta like keeping pilots locked in stations with out the ability to play how they want.
hope it didn't eat up too much of your prescious playing time though. 
Originally by: Alasse Cuthalion
What *actually* happened in 3ztv:
We attacked two FA POS's, one belonging to Ranger corp, the other to Elite Academy.
Both POS's were quickly put in to reinforced mode without suffering a single casualty, bar a cov ops which was shot down after the guns were supposed to have deactivated, gg ccp.
Just before the timer ran out on the first POS, FA grew a pair and tried to attack us, throwing a superior sized fleet at ours which was swiftly crushed (FA losing 7 bs to our 1 in a single engagement) when the second half of our fleet arrived shortly after. As the timer ran out it suddenly restarted with an ungodly amount of extra time, joy... Who thought it'd be a good idea to allow you to add extra Strontium? GG game mechanics. Rinse & repeat with POS no#2 (apart from the fleet bit, two fleet battles in a month is a bit much for FA it seems).
The next day we returned and promptly put another POS in to reinforced mode (took down two hostile bs to boot with zero losses) whilst the owners scurried around unanchoring the structures.
Eventually, both POS were removed by their owners and both corps left FA shortly afterwards.
So, in summary... BoB attacked two online POS's over a period of a weekend and lost one battleship in a fleet engagement whilst FA lost eleven (+ support) in total, both POS were removed and the corps that owned them left FA. The only thing that stopped us from making them phyiscally go *BANG* was Strontium and ****ty game mechanics.
I'm failing to see where the mighty FA succdeded the ebil BoB failed so miserably.
Please enlighten me.
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Ivellios
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Posted - 2005.07.24 05:25:00 -
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Edited by: Ivellios on 24/07/2005 05:25:52
Originally by: Estarriol
Edited by: Estarriol on 24/07/2005 01:49:43
The POS is down. Arguing about style points is rather irrelevant, don't you think?
Actualy the entire point of this thread is to, in fact, address the 'style' in which corps in the Band of Brothers Alliance guage their success in EvE.
History has proven that the end rarely justifies the means. Even in warfare there are rules and an acceptable code of conduct. I certainly don't see how you deserve any accolades for skill or ability in this matter. Especialy since your legitimate attmepts at an FA POS have been well, just that... attempts.
When at last they discover the center of the universe there will be many people who will be dissapointed that they are not it. |
Orree
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Posted - 2005.07.24 05:45:00 -
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Originally by: Sochin
This is retarded. You claim we suck because we weren't able to destroy a POS that was constantly in reinforced mode? You are aware that when a POS in reinforced all we can do is sit back and watch the timer tick down. Game mechanics dictate that a POS is invulnerable as long as it's owners have Strontium to feed it.
Our only option is to wait for you to run out of Strontium or the will to keep feeding it, and since you removed the POS before that happened we never really got an opportunity to kill it.
Don't think I ever said you guys suck. Obviously you don't. In fact, I thought I was quite complimentary.
Having assaulted and destroyed a POS as well as having kept one alive while under attack, I'm obviously well aware of how it works.
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Orree
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Posted - 2005.07.24 05:48:00 -
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Originally by: Sochin
Originally by: Orree
I, for one, am not claiming victory. I'm saying you failed to take down the POS and we took it down because we didn't need it anymore...not because you couldn't destroy it.
If you didn't want it anymore why the hell did you organize the largest FA fleet we've seen so far to protect it? Why the hell did you keep feeding it strontium for 3 days?
Because contrary to the propaganda constantly spewed in these fora, we do care to defend our assets. :)
Are you somehow intimating that it made more sense to leave it up and continue to watch it consume fuel when it was no longer needed?
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2005.07.24 06:22:00 -
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Keep telling yourselves what you need to in order to sleep at night chaps. Yeah ok you moved your small POS, yeah ok you didn't need them anyway, BoB is weak and can't take down a POS without spies, yeah we're ebil and dishonourable.... blah blah blah blah blah
You can spin it anyway you like but when we're done and there's no Fountain Alliance in Fountain what the hell else matters?
Eve Blacklight Style
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Sochin
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Posted - 2005.07.24 07:53:00 -
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Originally by: Ivellios
Especialy since your legitimate attmepts at an FA POS have been well, just that... attempts.
We can't kill what isn't there anymore. You removed the POS while we were sieging it, then go on the forums smacking about how we "failed to destroy it". This reminds me of 7 warpcore Apocs that run off to a safespot when attacked then smacktalk in local about how we "failed" to kill them.
Nemo me impune lacessit
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2005.07.24 08:29:00 -
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Originally by: Orree
Even ELA and Ranger Corp have managed to take down a small, moderately-armed, fully online POS, with fewer forces AND no drone spam in less than a day.
Liar.
You cannot destroy a POS that is in reinforced mode.
End of story.
The game is meant to prevent you from loading up MORE strontium whilst it is in reinforced mode, it did not. As such, this is a bug. That is the only reason we were unable to destroy BOTH your pos's.
You say we're "off" for claiming victory over you by using a spy? The only reason you're still in Fountain is because of NPC stations and the only reason your pos wasn't blown in to pieces is because of a bug in the game.
Get a clue, start adapting to Eve as the game itself is played, there are NO rules (I believe FA has used combat and war and deception and cunning itself in the past, for both military AND economical gain), so stop thinking that we're gonna play by some moral code.
The only code we play by is our own, we are pilots of our word - if we say we're gonna kill you, we do. If we way we're gonna 1v1 you, we will. If we say we're gonna use every goddam means at our disposal to remove you from Fountain, guess what? We will.
This isn't a gloating thread, if it was - we would of posted it. We didn't, you did. This is more a whining thread than anything else.
GG.
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Fi T'Zeh
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Posted - 2005.07.24 09:28:00 -
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Can i have your stuff ?
oh, wait.....
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Gats
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Posted - 2005.07.24 09:30:00 -
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Edited by: Gats on 24/07/2005 09:30:47
sad
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s4mp3r0r
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Posted - 2005.07.24 09:58:00 -
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Originally by: Ivellios
Edited by: Ivellios on 24/07/2005 05:25:52
Originally by: Estarriol
Edited by: Estarriol on 24/07/2005 01:49:43
The POS is down. Arguing about style points is rather irrelevant, don't you think?
Actualy the entire point of this thread is to, in fact, address the 'style' in which corps in the Band of Brothers Alliance guage their success in EvE.
History has proven that the end rarely justifies the means. Even in warfare there are rules and an acceptable code of conduct. I certainly don't see how you deserve any accolades for skill or ability in this matter. Especialy since your legitimate attmepts at an FA POS have been well, just that... attempts.
ahahahahahahah SH Brotherhood talking about honour ?
WTF ?!?!!!?!!?
Remember TPAR and u guys undocking to shoot ur own friends who didnt expect a thing ?
Remember siding with FA ?
ROFL... U guys really should have renamed ur corp back then cus still obviously u don't have a clue about honour...
Code of conduct...... HAH.
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CrusherDK
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Posted - 2005.07.24 10:33:00 -
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I like seeing Bob trying to put dicussion away from the actual matter.
If you think that this is normal, then why dont SirMolle make a standalone thread where he will explain how BoB took down SGHQ POS, with all details.
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2005.07.24 10:42:00 -
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Edited by: Dianabolic on 24/07/2005 10:42:25
Originally by: CrusherDK
I like seeing Bob trying to put dicussion away from the actual matter.
If you think that this is normal, then why dont SirMolle make a standalone thread where he will explain how BoB took down SGHQ POS, with all details.
Because we don't need to, Fountain have done that for us.
We got a spy in, they got access, they offlined it, we looted it, we destroyed it, we replaced it with our own pos.
End of story.
p.s. This isn't a discussion thread, as far as I can see.
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CrusherDK
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Posted - 2005.07.24 11:03:00 -
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You still missing fact that before that you tryed to attack 2-3 FA POS and failed to take it down. Noone cares if it was in reinforce mode or not. You took it down? No.
So then just gone the most easy, but certainly low-grade way.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.07.24 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: CrusherDK
You still missing fact that before that you tryed to attack 2-3 FA POS and failed to take it down. Noone cares if it was in reinforce mode or not. You took it down? No.
So then just gone the most easy, but certainly low-grade way.
What are you on about now ?
These are indeed not seperate things. But what does that have to do with it ?
We on one hand attacked and pushed out 2 small towers on one side of fountain. Sure, we didn't destroy them, which is understandable since that would be impossible when they remain in reinforced mode next to forever, right ?
On the other hand, we have a constant disabling presence in fountain core, we have MC harrassing whatever FA they can find hidden in empire. We have removed, through the use of subterfuge, one large forward base on which one whole FA corp based its activity in Fountain. We have just supplied our own forward base inside fountain core with the supplies of said corp...
And we are going to do far more still.
Can't you recognise when your alliance is being dismantled in a cold and calculated manner ? What instrumetn we choose to use for that is irrelevant when all those instruments are is parts of a larger plan.
What is dishonourable about succeeding in the termination of an alliance using your wits as much as your guns ?
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Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know.
Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online
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Soul Raven
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Posted - 2005.07.24 11:12:00 -
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Edited by: Soul Raven on 24/07/2005 11:12:58
Unfortunatley lying, cheating, backstabbing, spying etc etc is a sad but accepted part of our game that we all have to come to terms with. So you have to take your hats off to BoB and say good game!
Whats really wrong however is the POS access rights....CCP SHOULD GET IT SORTED!!!!
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2005.07.24 11:17:00 -
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Edited by: Dianabolic on 24/07/2005 11:17:12
Originally by: CrusherDK
You still missing fact that before that you tryed to attack 2-3 FA POS and failed to take it down. Noone cares if it was in reinforce mode or not. You took it down? No.
So then just gone the most easy, but certainly low-grade way.
As I've said before, it is impossible to destroy a POS, if the owners have even an ounce of will to prevent it.
So, we found a way round it, all within game mechanics.
People in the 2 threads about this have said "...surpised the idea [of placing a pos in its place] came from a BoB member." Well, you're gonna be even more surprised when our next operation goes off.
And believe me, the complaints we've seen in this, and that, thread won't even come close to what is in the pipeline.
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Kresh Vladir
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Posted - 2005.07.24 11:38:00 -
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NOOOOOOO!!!!
STOP KILLING FA
How Ever will i become Rich
if their is no lottery
o well
well not my fault bob wanted to kill fa and fa is dieing looks like ill go mine some veld
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Sky Hunter
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Posted - 2005.07.24 11:53:00 -
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Edited by: Sky Hunter on 24/07/2005 11:53:41
*deleted*
-=-
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Fred0
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Posted - 2005.07.24 11:55:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
On the other hand, we have a constant disabling presence in fountain core, we have MC harrassing whatever FA they can find hidden in empire.
whops
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.07.24 12:00:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 24/07/2005 12:02:24
What whops ?
You aren't stupid are you ?
Well, I wasn't counting on the reader of this thread being it, so I'm not evading issues here or pulling punches.
I actually don't know if we pay MC or someone else does. Nor do I care.
But whomever is paying them, I'm sure it's no coincidence. You lose faith in coincidences fast with Molle as your ceo.
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The Clash
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Posted - 2005.07.24 12:41:00 -
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105 ships on 1 pos ?
whats teh listing ?
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Posted - 2005.07.24 12:59:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
Edited by: Rod Blaine on 24/07/2005 12:02:24
What whops ?
You aren't stupid are you ?
Well, I wasn't counting on the reader of this thread being it, so I'm not evading issues here or pulling punches.
I actually don't know if we pay MC or someone else does. Nor do I care.
But whomever is paying them, I'm sure it's no coincidence. You lose faith in coincidences fast with Molle as your ceo.
And according to my sources war with MC was retracted?
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.07.24 13:14:00 -
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No idea if the war is still on.
Again, nor do I care.
All I'm saying is that many things happening at the same time is not a coincidence, nor the end of things for you.
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CmdrRat
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Posted - 2005.07.24 17:47:00 -
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Edited by: CmdrRat on 24/07/2005 17:49:56
Originally by: The Clash
105 ships on 1 pos ?
whats teh listing ?
I wasn't there but I just spent the last 20 mins counting from screenshots. Below is a list of ships left at the pos, both in orbit and in the hanagars. All mods including tech II in hangars, nub ships, cheap frigs, and shuttles omited.
Note, we didn't actualy get to take all this stuff back to our hangars, we where presed for time, as well this list does not include ships killed by our POS from people logging in.
1 x Apoc
3 x Raven
2 X Scorp
1 x dominix
3 x Ferox
1 x Deimos
1 x brutix
1 x helios
1 x hawk
2 x Carical
7 x blackbird
9 x mallers
4 x rax
3 x Ospry
5 x large barge
3 x med barge
4 x bager mark II
1 x Enyo
10 x kestral
1 x merlin
14 x vigil
1 x prophecy
1 x Iteron IV
1 x Iteron III
1 x Iteron V (with 5 Local's too!)
Add the ships, the POS, the mods, the mods in the hangar, the ships destoryed on logon and this was a big hit no mater what type of indy base you have.
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Dogsta
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Posted - 2005.07.24 17:51:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Orree
Even ELA and Ranger Corp have managed to take down a small, moderately-armed, fully online POS, with fewer forces AND no drone spam in less than a day.
Liar.
You cannot destroy a POS that is in reinforced mode.
End of story.
GG.
point 1, ASK fury corp about thier POS in 3ZTV
point 2, you cannot add more strontium until the shields are back up to 50%
point 3, pretty sure no where here did he say anything about anything to do with being off about the spy.
finaly, the force you saw defending the pos's were the same people you get in core, and y2ano and d4, and came not out of the monetary reasons, but out of friendship for there fellow alliance corp. FA is great, FA will weather the storm you have brought it. those that remain have great resolve, and tenacity. they continue to peck away at your forces. the question is, will you be able to deal with the way they will fight? becuase the BLOB Fleets of old are long dead, so have your blobs, but dont expect them to match you. Have your ganks, cuase thats what you can get.
back to mischief making for me.
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Posted - 2005.07.24 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: CrusherDK
You still missing fact that before that you tryed to attack 2-3 FA POS and failed to take it down. Noone cares if it was in reinforce mode or not. You took it down? No.
So then just gone the most easy, but certainly low-grade way.
I think ull find other threads about these events. This thread was about the destruction of a pos in y-2.
How many times do u need it explained ? U cannot kill a reinforced POS. If an owner can constantly refule a pos,so that it stays in reinforced mode, It cannot be killed. Are u with me so far ?
SO saying we failed, might be true in some eyes. We didnt actually blow up the pos no. We done all that was possible at the time. Kept them in reinforced mode. Fighting off FA forces trying to remove us. We cant do what the game doesnt allow last time i checked.
So plz stfu about that mmkay
Fact remains..we shot at 2 pos for x amount of days..the pos was incapable of removing us, FA were incapable of removing us. The only changing factor was the pos being removed. Get ccp to make it so we can destroy a reinforced pos, and we will.
The pos that was destroyed in y-2 was done so using game mechanics. Stop whining get over it. War isnt meant ot be nice .
And take note of whos creating these threads, as it aint big bad BoB blowing our trumpets as ppl claim
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Posted - 2005.07.24 17:57:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Orree
Even ELA and Ranger Corp have managed to take down a small, moderately-armed, fully online POS, with fewer forces AND no drone spam in less than a day.
Liar.
You cannot destroy a POS that is in reinforced mode.
End of story.
The game is meant to prevent you from loading up MORE strontium whilst it is in reinforced mode, it did not. As such, this is a bug. That is the only reason we were unable to destroy BOTH your pos's.
You say we're "off" for claiming victory over you by using a spy? The only reason you're still in Fountain is because of NPC stations and the only reason your pos wasn't blown in to pieces is because of a bug in the game.
Get a clue, start adapting to Eve as the game itself is played, there are NO rules (I believe FA has used combat and war and deception and cunning itself in the past, for both military AND economical gain), so stop thinking that we're gonna play by some moral code.
The only code we play by is our own, we are pilots of our word - if we say we're gonna kill you, we do. If we way we're gonna 1v1 you, we will. If we say we're gonna use every goddam means at our disposal to remove you from Fountain, guess what? We will.
This isn't a gloating thread, if it was - we would of posted it. We didn't, you did. This is more a whining thread than anything else.
GG.
If fact, he is not lying. It was difficult to achieve, but it was done. But lets clear up one thing... the game does not allow more stront to be added to a POS while its in reinforced mode.
I do not blame you in the slightest for believing that this was the case. In fact when that POS came up I assumed that either more stront had been added, or that it was allowed to happen the moment that the POS came out of reinforced mode.
I was wrong, neither occured. Frankly, we were as surpriseds as you... if not more so.
What none of us were aware of until your attack is that there is a bug with the stront consumption. A bug I strongly suspect is tied to the new fuel consumption for POS's that are in a system that claims soveriegnty. About 30% is not consumed or even counted by the POS tower when it goes into reinforced mode. But as soon as it comes out of reinforced mode, the POS see's the left over stront and goes right back into reinforced mode again. This is hypothesis on my part, but seems to fit the facts.
And yes, you had no way of knowing this... and neither did we.
I'm fairly well known I think for being honest and not mincing words. In my opinion it would have been and interesting last battle, but that POS would quite probably gone down in the end if the stront consumtion hadn't been bugged. To me the whole battle was enjoyable, and quite refreshing. And I hope that both sides enjoyed it. It irritates me that it ended in frustration on your part not due primarily to our actions, but to an unexpected quirk with POS's that came about in the Cold War patch.
As to the method of Sturm's POS loss, I will not comment. I think it is extremely unfortunate that POS permissions are pretty much all or nothing... it limits their usefulness to a large degree, and frankly I thought more involved levels of permissions were going to be implemented in the last patch. However, if I were in BOBs position with someone offering to simply turn off the POS's defenses for us on a hostile POS... well, its a moral decision that would be difficult for me to make. I'd like to think that I would chose not to do it, but I cannot really say that without having that temptation myself. I certainly would not expect an enemy to make the decision to ignore that tactic on my behalf.
I think that Sturm took the right road in this thread, to complain about the game mechanic that allowed this to happen so easily... and to not complain that they messed up when they gave the POS permissions to the wrong person.
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Posted - 2005.07.24 18:11:00 -
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Nice post Ranger
Glad fun was had, nice to hear ur theory. Was frustrating to say the least. But these things happen. I sure had a laugh, gave me something to shoot.
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2005.07.24 18:43:00 -
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Ranger, I agree with the vast majority of your post, however... a 25% bonus in consumption does not account for it going from 2 hours to 1d4hr's.
Nor does it account for the "story time" where we were told that strontium had indeed been added to the pos.
But either way, it matters not, gl to you and your guys in whatever you are gonna do.
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Ranger 1
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Posted - 2005.07.24 18:53:00 -
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The author of "Story Time" did it as a bit of a light hearted depiction of the events, a witty jab that did not sink to the level of mindless smack. It was a fun little post made in good humor. But on that point, the author was mistaken. There may very well be other people involved that "still" don't realize fully what caused the reinforced mode to come back up. Heck, it was the next day before even "I" started to figure it out. I wish there was a way to test it without having to go to rediculous extremes to do so... perhaps someone that has been besieged lately can shed more light on it than I.
That's not a moon... that's my POS
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Dogsta
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Posted - 2005.07.24 21:30:00 -
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Edited by: Dogsta on 24/07/2005 21:30:43
Originally by: Dianabolic
Ranger, I agree with the vast majority of your post, however... a 25% bonus in consumption does not account for it going from 2 hours to 1d4hr's.
Nor does it account for the "story time" where we were told that strontium had indeed been added to the pos.
But either way, it matters not, gl to you and your guys in whatever you are gonna do.
don't forget on day one, after you all logged in 9d60, our pos cameout of reinforced for the second time. we recharged shields to max.(wich honestly is more tiresome then trying to talke them down) we then loaded it up with stront to provide us time the next day to take it down.
might explain that for the ELA pos there.
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Ranger 1
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Posted - 2005.07.24 23:05:00 -
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Edited by: Ranger 1 on 24/07/2005 23:05:21
This is true, after the attack that day subsided and the POS finally came out of reinforced mode for the second time, the shields were boosted to the point where it would allow more fuel and strontium to be added.
I'm sorry if I was unclear or inadvertantly confused the issue.
That's not a moon... that's my POS
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Sochin
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Posted - 2005.07.25 00:22:00 -
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Originally by: Ranger 1
Edited by: Ranger 1 on 24/07/2005 23:05:21
This is true, after the attack that day subsided and the POS finally came out of reinforced mode for the second time, the shields were boosted to the point where it would allow more fuel and strontium to be added.
I'm sorry if I was unclear or inadvertantly confused the issue.
I think I see what happened.
We had organized and timed our operation to destroy the POS when it was supposed to come out of reinforced mode. As we've established, due to a bug the POS immediately re-entered reinforced mode for a short time (couple of hours I think). Unfortunantly, this really screwed up the timing of our attack, and the vast majority of our fleet had to go to bed or stop playing before it came out of reinforced for the second (real) time.
This allowed you to recharge the shields enough to add more fuel, which reset the bug so we experienced the exact same issue when we tried again the next day. You then removed the POS before we had an opportunity to catch it when it came out of reinforced for "real".
Nemo me impune lacessit
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2005.07.25 00:59:00 -
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my personal view of the loss of a POS by SG (and other ones):
..well it's a war, and do you prefer to spend hours spending ammo in a mindless "shoot the dead duck"? Or do you prefer going thru a less boring, more clever, less expensive way of sabbotage an enemy resource? (imho a valid tool)
I'll take door n¦2.
..althou SG is right: the fact that the atribution of access to use any part of the POS also makes one available to offline the POS structure. That I must say it's rather bad.
but that's game mechanics, and I don't see any exploit there.
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Dogsta
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Posted - 2005.07.25 01:25:00 -
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OMG! i think we're all on the same page about this for once :)
Originally by: Sochin
Originally by: Ranger 1
Edited by: Ranger 1 on 24/07/2005 23:05:21
This is true, after the attack that day subsided and the POS finally came out of reinforced mode for the second time, the shields were boosted to the point where it would allow more fuel and strontium to be added.
I'm sorry if I was unclear or inadvertantly confused the issue.
I think I see what happened.
We had organized and timed our operation to destroy the POS when it was supposed to come out of reinforced mode. As we've established, due to a bug the POS immediately re-entered reinforced mode for a short time (couple of hours I think). Unfortunantly, this really screwed up the timing of our attack, and the vast majority of our fleet had to go to bed or stop playing before it came out of reinforced for the second (real) time.
This allowed you to recharge the shields enough to add more fuel, which reset the bug so we experienced the exact same issue when we tried again the next day. You then removed the POS before we had an opportunity to catch it when it came out of reinforced for "real".
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Posted - 2005.07.25 04:43:00 -
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Originally by: Dogsta
OMG! i think we're all on the same page about this for once :)
Originally by: Sochin
Originally by: Ranger 1
Edited by: Ranger 1 on 24/07/2005 23:05:21
This is true, after the attack that day subsided and the POS finally came out of reinforced mode for the second time, the shields were boosted to the point where it would allow more fuel and strontium to be added.
I'm sorry if I was unclear or inadvertantly confused the issue.
I think I see what happened.
We had organized and timed our operation to destroy the POS when it was supposed to come out of reinforced mode. As we've established, due to a bug the POS immediately re-entered reinforced mode for a short time (couple of hours I think). Unfortunantly, this really screwed up the timing of our attack, and the vast majority of our fleet had to go to bed or stop playing before it came out of reinforced for the second (real) time.
This allowed you to recharge the shields enough to add more fuel, which reset the bug so we experienced the exact same issue when we tried again the next day. You then removed the POS before we had an opportunity to catch it when it came out of reinforced for "real".
Good, please make sure your alts remember this next time they think about claiming we are unable to destroy POS militarily. Can we now agree that those two POS in 3zt would have been destroyed by BOB on the first day of the seige if it wasn't for a bug introduced in POS fuel consumption by the Cold War patch?
Nemo me impune lacessit
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Dogsta
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Posted - 2005.07.25 07:42:00 -
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Originally by: Sochin
Can we now agree that those two POS in 3zt would have been destroyed by BOB on the first day of the seige if it wasn't for a bug introduced in POS fuel consumption by the Cold War patch?
There called features
as ranger said, we were more surprised then you. as for if it's a bug or not, only the devs could really answer that.
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Posted - 2005.07.25 08:53:00 -
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Bug <-> Feature, the line is thin I sense.
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Posted - 2005.07.25 09:01:00 -
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I still have to ask: Why did you give POS access to a 3-day old recruit?
Originally by: Morela
"hey! I'm gonna go attack the north! Afk till tuesday!"
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Posted - 2005.07.25 12:37:00 -
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I think this debate centres on a few of points:
1) Its a game
2) Its a game
3) Its a game
Point number 1) "Its a game"
Some people spend many many hours acruing isk and resources. Though they have fun the real fun is with what they will buy with them. After many weeks of work they build their POS or fleet of ships etc. They feel happy, when they lose it they feel sad for all the effort gone to waste. Fair point.
Point number 2) "Its a game"
Some people play EVE as "nasty" characters. This is not a stain on their personalities, I am sure they are nice people in the real world. How many people play any MMPORG and hope to be the all powerful hero, or evil vilain. Its all simply a level of roleplay. There is no maliciouns intent against a particular person (well I hope not) it is an RP against another character or another corp.
Point number 3) "Its a game"
THIS IS A GAME. you should be having fun all the time, regardless of what is happening or had happened. Moreover you or someone close to you pays for it so doubly you should be having fun. Most everything in the game has an element of risk involved, whch we all have to live with and or embrace. Dont take it seriously. If you lose a billion isk and end up with a 1000, dont complain! its what you started with, and you had no skills! It is annoying that certain elements of game mechanics and the occasional bug causes problems. You might have lost all your minerals but you can always mine some more tommorow.
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Posted - 2005.07.25 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: F'nog
I still have to ask: Why did you give POS access to a 3-day old recruit?
Don't expect an answer, thin they're probably asking that question themselves...
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Posted - 2005.07.25 13:36:00 -
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Originally by: Rick Dentill
I think this debate centres on a few of points:
1) Its a game
2) Its a game
3) Its a game
For the crews of the ships being blown to pieces and the infiltrators involved, it isn't a game, it's very much real life and very important.
*shrugs* Mind you, for some of us nearly immortal pod-pilots, it does often seem like a game what we do. *grins and winks*
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NAFnist
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Posted - 2005.07.25 16:08:00 -
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I think of this as corp theft, and I dislike it very much.
BUT its part of the game, and upto one self if you wanna live the honorable way or not. One of many things that makes this game so great.
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2005.07.25 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: NAFnist
I think of this as corp theft, and I dislike it very much.
BUT its part of the game, and upto one self if you wanna live the honorable way or not. One of many things that makes this game so great.
NAFnist, with respect, do not talk to us of honour when your alliance has issued orders to renege on any 1v1 that might be agreed. We've had pilots warped to POS's and been warped in on to be outnumbered.
A 1v1 is sacred to us, we will ALWAYS honor it, you will not.
You think this operation is dishonorable, we think it's well executed and well planned.
We're both right.
Get over it.
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Paul Castrin
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Posted - 2005.07.25 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: Fred0
Originally by: F'nog
I still have to ask: Why did you give POS access to a 3-day old recruit?
Don't expect an answer, thin they're probably asking that question themselves...
The real issue is that there is no layered control for POS access. For hanger access in POSes yes, but if a character can walk in and turn off a POS when they only have the most basic of access to corp hangers and no NPCCS / PCS control rights (i.e. can't rent, unrent, etc.) then I'd call that an exploit.
A character that has been granted access to a POS but no substantial corp rights should not be able to do this ... period. It doesn't matter if they are a 3 day or a 3 month or a 13 month old character.
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2005.07.25 18:30:00 -
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Originally by: Paul Castrin
Originally by: Fred0
Originally by: F'nog
I still have to ask: Why did you give POS access to a 3-day old recruit?
Don't expect an answer, thin they're probably asking that question themselves...
The real issue is that there is no layered control for POS access. For hanger access in POSes yes, but if a character can walk in and turn off a POS when they only have the most basic of access to corp hangers and no NPCCS / PCS control rights (i.e. can't rent, unrent, etc.) then I'd call that an exploit.
A character that has been granted access to a POS but no substantial corp rights should not be able to do this ... period. It doesn't matter if they are a 3 day or a 3 month or a 13 month old character.
You don't need starbase can config role to access hangars.
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Posted - 2005.07.26 01:40:00 -
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Edited by: CrusherDK on 26/07/2005 01:41:48
Originally by: Grimpak
my personal view of the loss of a POS by SG (and other ones):
..well it's a war, and do you prefer to spend hours spending ammo in a mindless "shoot the dead duck"? Or do you prefer going thru a less boring, more clever, less expensive way of sabbotage an enemy resource? (imho a valid tool)
I'll take door n¦2.
..althou SG is right: the fact that the atribution of access to use any part of the POS also makes one available to offline the POS structure. That I must say it's rather bad.
but that's game mechanics, and I don't see any exploit there.
I want to see you saying it, if you get your corp POS offlined same way, and you loose all your stuff.
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Posted - 2005.07.26 07:54:00 -
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There was no bug in the POS reinforced modes in 3ZTV. The towers both came out of reinforced mode for the ammount of Strontium they had in them. They just did it at 80% intervals. Which confused your forces.
Your failure was not keeping forces on to destroy them. In attacking a POS, it takes a all out commitment of forces for 24 to 48 hours. This means a full 23hrs of gameplay, not just logging on to attack it and then logging or leaving. You allowed us to recharge our shields not once, but twice, allowing us to remove them, which was planned to be done a few days earlier.
Hence, you lost. The few ships FA lost in the fleet battle were worth the fun. But once you have been in one blob fleetbattle, you have seen them all. Boring.
Elite Academy and Ranger Corp left FA later not because of BOB, but because we had been contemplating it for along time, as we have wanted to pursue our own destiny, just as many corps have, like MASS, Damaged Inc and a few others in Eve that have left Alliances.
As far as the Sturm POS, you used a flaw in game mechanics from CCP to destroy someone elses hard work. Valid tactic in war? Sure. But just because the game mechanics allow it doesnt make it right to do. This is where I lost my respect for you guys. I hope CCP fixes this soon.
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Sochin
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Posted - 2005.07.26 08:16:00 -
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Originally by: KOTH Fluf
There was no bug in the POS reinforced modes in 3ZTV. The towers both came out of reinforced mode for the ammount of Strontium they had in them. They just did it at 80% intervals. Which confused your forces.
Your failure was not keeping forces on to destroy them. In attacking a POS, it takes a all out commitment of forces for 24 to 48 hours. This means a full 23hrs of gameplay, not just logging on to attack it and then logging or leaving. You allowed us to recharge our shields not once, but twice, allowing us to remove them, which was planned to be done a few days earlier.
Hence, you lost. The few ships FA lost in the fleet battle were worth the fun. But once you have been in one blob fleetbattle, you have seen them all. Boring.
Elite Academy and Ranger Corp left FA later not because of BOB, but because we had been contemplating it for along time, as we have wanted to pursue our own destiny, just as many corps have, like MASS, Damaged Inc and a few others in Eve that have left Alliances.
As far as the Sturm POS, you used a flaw in game mechanics from CCP to destroy someone elses hard work. Valid tactic in war? Sure. But just because the game mechanics allow it doesnt make it right to do. This is where I lost my respect for you guys. I hope CCP fixes this soon.
Get your damn stories straight. The guy admits its a bug, while you claim to your pathetic pride and still try and claim victory.
POS are not supposed to come out of reinforced mode and immediately go back in.
Also, stop claiming you were planning to remove them "anyways", because it makes you look like tards. If you really wanted to remove them you would have done it at the first possible opportunity instead of refueling them.
Nemo me impune lacessit
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Posted - 2005.07.26 11:43:00 -
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Edited by: Xthril Ranger on 26/07/2005 11:48:30
Originally by: F'nog
I still have to ask: Why did you give POS access to a 3-day old recruit?
How to live and work with a corporation when you cannot dock at the pos? Either the newcomer have to live another place and alone or he have to have pos access. It is a risk every corp that lives out of a pos have to take if they want to recruit new members. It is one of the places where ccp doesnt provide the right tools to guard themselfs.
Guess people have to go back and look at POS as mining platforms , and not homes.
 edit: alts and spies are part of the game. I don't got the skills or desire to do that , but Eve would be a lesser game if ccp would ban that kind of operations.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2005.07.26 12:29:00 -
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Originally by: KOTH Fluf
Elite Academy and Ranger Corp left FA later not because of BOB, but because we had been contemplating it for along time, as we have wanted to pursue our own destiny.
I find it hilarious how many corps put that exact quote up when they leave an alliance that we are attacking with all our force.
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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dabster
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Posted - 2005.07.26 13:16:00 -
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Edited by: dabster on 26/07/2005 13:16:19
Originally by: Dianabolic
NAFnist, with respect, do not talk to us of honour when your alliance has issued orders to renege on any 1v1 that might be agreed.
Assumptions are the mother of all ****ups.
Sounds like you got your ass handed to you by a jerk, what you just say there is not true though.
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2005.07.26 13:50:00 -
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Originally by: dabster
Edited by: dabster on 26/07/2005 13:16:19
Originally by: Dianabolic
NAFnist, with respect, do not talk to us of honour when your alliance has issued orders to renege on any 1v1 that might be agreed.
Assumptions are the mother of all ****ups.
Sounds like you got your ass handed to you by a jerk, what you just say there is not true though.
Has never happened to me, dabster, because I know how lame such an order is. It has unfortunately happened to my wingmates though - I hardly see how accepting a 1v1 in local, it being agreed to and then it being reneged on is "assuming" anything, other than the other pilot will keep their word. But again, who cares, we lost a ship, your guys lost a POS, unlucky.
As for the people saying that the pos in 3Z behaved as it should do, let me say this:
hahahahah no.
It has been confirmed by CCP that that is NOT how it is supposed to behave, that it IS a bug and, let me tell u this, we had eyes on BOTH pos's at ALL times whilst one counted down from 2 hours to nought and the ONLY thing that we saw was a hauler warping between them and a pilot ejecting stront from one to the other.
Let me say this again for those that are hard of seeing:
When a POS is in reinforced mode it is NOT (supposed to be) able to be refueled.
That's straight from the mouths of ccp at #eve-chaos.
So suck it up boys, when they fix that you better have moved your pos's, because we're coming for them.
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Rodney Munch
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Posted - 2005.07.26 14:07:00 -
[83]
Originally by: DB Preacher
Originally by: KOTH Fluf
Elite Academy and Ranger Corp left FA later not because of BOB, but because we had been contemplating it for along time, as we have wanted to pursue our own destiny.
I find it hilarious how many corps put that exact quote up when they leave an alliance that we are attacking with all our force.
dbp
Quoted for truth..
Anyway, why the hell are you whining about losing a PoS to game mechanics that are very legit. Spies/Theivery/Deception etc are very much part of this game, get used to it, and the only person to blame for your loss is yourselves for giving a char thats been in your corp for 3 days, PoS access..
Cry me a river.
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CrusherDK
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Posted - 2005.07.26 14:13:00 -
[84]
Originally by: DB Preacher
Originally by: KOTH Fluf
Elite Academy and Ranger Corp left FA later not because of BOB, but because we had been contemplating it for along time, as we have wanted to pursue our own destiny.
I find it hilarious how many corps put that exact quote up when they leave an alliance that we are attacking with all our force.
dbp
reality check?
Maybe you guys like to think so, but corps leaving FA by main reason, because FA concuils/chairmens dont even care about Alliance itself.
People just dont wanna fight for alliance wich wont provide them anything that will help.
Now you can go and continue thinking that corps leaving because you beat them.
WTB your Ego Extender II.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2005.07.26 14:24:00 -
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If it had only happened with 1 alliance then I wouldn't even have commented.
But this is the 4th? alliance we've seen this happen too now so, yeah, whatever.
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2005.07.26 14:27:00 -
[86]
Originally by: CrusherDK
People just dont wanna fight for alliance wich wont provide them anything that will help.
By that reasoning of course fighting has to be occuring in order to bring this flaw in the alliance's make up to the surface, ergo it is not merely a coincidence and there is some cause and effect.
Eve Blacklight Style
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Dyvim Slorm
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Posted - 2005.07.26 14:53:00 -
[87]
Hmmm, maybe FA should let SGHQ have some of the isk from the passport sales to help make up the loss. There were several billions iirc.
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Xtra Bitter
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Posted - 2005.07.26 15:11:00 -
[88]
Maybe just maybe they have already recived help from their friends.
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CrusherDK
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Posted - 2005.07.26 15:15:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Blacklight
Originally by: CrusherDK
People just dont wanna fight for alliance wich wont provide them anything that will help.
By that reasoning of course fighting has to be occuring in order to bring this flaw in the alliance's make up to the surface, ergo it is not merely a coincidence and there is some cause and effect.
By Alliance not willing to help i meant not only resources. People as well. People who dont care.
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Dyvim Slorm
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Posted - 2005.07.26 15:22:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Xtra Bitter
Maybe just maybe they have already recived help from their friends.
Perhaps.
Seriously though, who does get to keep all that ISK, I assume BIG will as it was one of their alts that held the wallet.
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Beggs
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Posted - 2005.07.26 16:27:00 -
[91]
Edited by: Beggs on 26/07/2005 16:27:22
Originally by: Sturmgrenadier
SGHQ's pos in y-2ano was subverted by a spy this morning after downtime.
****ting on people you've befriended is just plain wrong in my opinion, the underhand tactics employed by some make me sick.
Keep your chin up SGHQ, i was always proud to fly alongside such honourable pilots when DMGI was in FA.
Beggs
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KOTH Fluf
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Posted - 2005.07.26 17:56:00 -
[92]
I repeat again, there was no bug. We could not load Strontium into the POS's until the shields were recharged to 50%. It took us 2 1/2 hrs to recharge the shields to full power after it came out of reinforced mode the first time. We had to recharge the shields to 50% to remove the strontium from the POS to take it down. The only bug you thought you saw was the one where it went back into reinforced mode after coming out. After the first attack, we recharged the shields to full and I put 1 day 18hrs of strontium in the tower. After your 2nd attack, it went back into reinforced mode for 1 day 3hrs. When it came out of that period, it went back in for another 7 hrs. Then another 3hr after that period, and finally another 1hr for the final period, leaving a small bit of strontium still in the tower.
Believe me I know what it takes to take out a POS. Ive done it. It takes a full commitment of forces for over 24hrs. That means non-stop. That is where you failed.
And yes all the POS in the D4KU area had been schedule for changeout, with the coming of dreadnaughts. You just caused us to do it a little quicker. 
Fluf
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2005.07.26 21:32:00 -
[93]
Koth, let me say this once more for you:
1 - we had cov ops on the pos that went out of reinforced.
2 - you didn't charge the shields, because you were inside them and they can't be locked.
3 - it's a bug, you were able to refuel them whilst it was in reinforced mode.
Enjoy your day.
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KOTH Fluf
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Posted - 2005.07.26 21:51:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Dianabolic
Koth, let me say this once more for you:
1 - we had cov ops on the pos that went out of reinforced.
2 - you didn't charge the shields, because you were inside them and they can't be locked.
3 - it's a bug, you were able to refuel them whilst it was in reinforced mode.
Enjoy your day.
Wrong we never refueled them while it was in reinforced mode. As we have been trying to point out, when the POS went into reinforce mode, it only used 80% of the strontium inside its hangar. Once it came out of reinforced mode, saw that it was still at 20% shields, it went back into reinforced mode using 80% of the fuel it still had in the hangar. It did this 4 times after the 2nd attack before it finally ran out of strontium.
We did put more fuel in it after your first attack. We charged the shields to over 50% and put 1 day 18hrs of fuel in it. And as I stated above, we couldnt even take the POS down until the shields had been recharged to 50%, because it would not allow us to remove the strontium either.
Whether the POS using only 80% of the strontium is due to a bug from the station being claimed as FA space or not, is another matter. The point is, the POS did stay in reinforced mode for 1 day 18hrs, for the ammount of fuel it had in it. It just did it in for different times. Not at any time were we able to put more fuel in it without the shields being over 50%.
Fluf
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qtip
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Posted - 2005.07.26 22:20:00 -
[95]
We shot it into reinforced mode and the timer said something like 2 hours. After the 2 hour countdown it went straight into reinforced mode again for 6 hours. This makes your 20%-theroy pretty useless..
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Paul Castrin
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Posted - 2005.07.26 22:48:00 -
[96]
Originally by: qtip
We shot it into reinforced mode and the timer said something like 2 hours. After the 2 hour countdown it went straight into reinforced mode again for 6 hours. This makes your 20%-theroy pretty useless..
Is that the first time or afterward? Are you sure this was the ELA tower and not the other one in the same system?
I ask not to be argumentative but to get a better idea of how it worked. See I had 10 hours of Strontium Clathrates in our (ELA's) tower so if it went into reinforced mode for only 2 hours the first time that makes no sense.
I really wish I had been in town during all of this. As one of the people "in charge" of maintaining our towers and with so little data on how they respond to certain situations I wish I had been able to observe first hand the results. In the case of the tower ELA attacked and killed it was all fairly straight forward but with these new fuel rate modifications (based on sovereignty) things seem out of whack. But unfortunately all I can do is try and piece it together from third hand observations. Ah well.
To all those in BoB that attacked gg, wish I had been there to see another POS assault (even if it would have been from the other side ).
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2005.07.26 22:57:00 -
[97]
Paul, the pos did indeed have 10hrs of stront in it. We camped that system for the entire time, your fleet arrived about 30mins before it came out of reinforced mode. We engaged, people died, etc.
The FA fleet then warped to these pos to be under the protection of its guns (another acknowledged bug, all structures are supposed to go offline in reinforced mode) and started moving stront from one pos to the other.
We watched, we waited, we came to our attack spot ready to warp in as the counter ticked down... the shields were not recharged, they did not recharge, teh timer hit zero and... the reinforced bar switched IMMEDIATELY to 1d18h (or something along those lines).
No down period, no offlined guns, nada.
It's not how it is supposed to work, as confirmed by the bug hunters, I'd be more than happy to explain / answer your questions if u wanna convo me in-game, but that's the last time I'm explaining this on the forums...
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Paul Castrin
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Posted - 2005.07.26 23:08:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Dianabolic
Paul, the pos did indeed have 10hrs of stront in it.
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I'd be more than happy to explain / answer your questions if u wanna convo me in-game, but that's the last time I'm explaining this on the forums...
Not necessary and thanks for the clarification. My goal is not to point fingers but to ensure what I know (knew) is accurate and to understand how it all went down.
I agree however that this subject should be dropped from the forums. Certainly from this thread at the least. 
Well met and see you in space.
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Ranger 1
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Posted - 2005.07.26 23:11:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Sochin
Originally by: Ranger 1
Edited by: Ranger 1 on 24/07/2005 23:05:21
This is true, after the attack that day subsided and the POS finally came out of reinforced mode for the second time, the shields were boosted to the point where it would allow more fuel and strontium to be added.
I'm sorry if I was unclear or inadvertantly confused the issue.
I think I see what happened.
We had organized and timed our operation to destroy the POS when it was supposed to come out of reinforced mode. As we've established, due to a bug the POS immediately re-entered reinforced mode for a short time (couple of hours I think). Unfortunantly, this really screwed up the timing of our attack, and the vast majority of our fleet had to go to bed or stop playing before it came out of reinforced for the second (real) time.
This allowed you to recharge the shields enough to add more fuel, which reset the bug so we experienced the exact same issue when we tried again the next day. You then removed the POS before we had an opportunity to catch it when it came out of reinforced for "real".
As stated before, this man has it exactly correct. Fluff, I think your stating the same thing but in a backwards sort of way.
However Fluff is correct in that it is impossible to do a thing with your POS while in reinforced mode.... recharging the shields is possible right after it comes out of reinforced mode for the final time (I still call it popping in and out a bug), and once above 50% charge you can add/remove fuel or take it down again.
Its funny how people can be saying nearly the exact same thing, but phrase it so that it sounds completely the opposite.
That's not a moon... that's my POS
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Drilla
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Posted - 2005.07.27 10:24:00 -
[100]
Congrats to BoB for a job well done!
Can I come up and see the mating dance of Blacklight and Dianabolic now?
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2005.07.27 15:11:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Drilla
Congrats to BoB for a job well done!
Can I come up and see the mating dance of Blacklight and Dianabolic now?
My arms are still tired from the last time :(
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