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Sturmgrenadier
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Posted - 2005.07.23 22:26:00 -
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Edited by: Sturmgrenadier on 23/07/2005 22:40:33
SGHQ's pos in y-2ano was subverted by a spy this morning after downtime. We do not regret the trust we placed in a member of SGHQ.
The mechanism we feel that has failed us as regards the loss of the POS is the game mechanic that makes necessary the same access to use any part of the POS also makes one available to offline the POS structure. We naturally will pursue this issue with CCP to whatever end in the hopes of futher improving an already great game.
SGHQ wishes to thank the many corporations and individuals that have expressed their support for us in this time of plight. Our heartfelt thanks go out to you, our friends.
This act has only served to harden our resolve in supporting the Fountain Alliance, defending our home, and securing eventual victory over BoB and FA's enemies.
!S
Regards,
Sturmgrenadier CEO of Sturmgrenadier Inc.
Proud members of the Fountain Alliance
(Replies to this post will not be answered per company policy.)
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SirMolle
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Posted - 2005.07.23 22:39:00 -
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Edited by: SirMolle on 23/07/2005 23:13:25
For reference; http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=197135
The offer; http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=204201
The price to pay to not accept the offer; 1 POS less, 105 ships less, countless other things....
This is all.
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corporal hicks
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Posted - 2005.07.23 23:16:00 -
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O my Lord the amount of stuff you guys had in the pos with stations in the same area, your nuts.
" Stay Frosty "
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Soul Raven
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Posted - 2005.07.23 23:23:00 -
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Its just such a shame the game has to be played this way
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CrusherDK
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Posted - 2005.07.23 23:27:00 -
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So as i think this act wasnt combat accomplishment from BoB?
IMO, the corp who did it, doesnt deserve any respect. 'Someone' attacked 2 FA POS and failed. Now SGHQ POS 'accidently' go down by spy.
No names. Put up facts and youll see some names.
Thats all. (c)
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Ivellios
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Posted - 2005.07.24 00:07:00 -
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How sad. Eve has degraded to the point that mindless cheats can call themselves victors and heap praise upon themselves for a job well done.
Fact of the matter is that the only way bob took down ANY POS at all was through duplicity and unsportsman like conduct.
BOB had previously, legitimately tried to destroy no less than 3 FA POS setups, all of them small control towers I might add. They failed utterly and completely. So now the only revenge for them was to do it in a shameful way.
You are a discredit to gammers everywhere.
When at last they discover the center of the universe there will be many people who will be dissapointed that they are not it. |

TWD
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Posted - 2005.07.24 00:15:00 -
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hehe, reality check please. |

CrusherDK
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Posted - 2005.07.24 00:27:00 -
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Originally by: TWD hehe, reality check please.
*checked*
BoB didnt destroyed any of POS they attacked(small ones). So as we wont name anyone in particular. But your 'reality' is pretty real.
For you and others ill point it again:
- 'Someone' attacks FA POSes and fails. - 'Accidently' Large SGHQ POS goes offline. - 'Someone' pack it into indys and takes away.
Want another reality check?
So much of an 'alliance destroyers'. Now its not about just game, now its about to make people feel bad about any new member they will accept in future. Such thing can even destroy relationships in corporation.
Nothing but a un-respected and low-grade act here.
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Robert Oobbs
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Posted - 2005.07.24 00:30:00 -
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Originally by: Ivellios You are a discredit to gammers everywhere.
1. gamÀmer ( P )
An elderly woman.
(Dictionary)
I fail to see the relevance...
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TWD
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Posted - 2005.07.24 00:34:00 -
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Edited by: TWD on 24/07/2005 00:34:07 We go and attack 2 small POS around d4ku. We witnessed the rare occasion of an FA fleet being formed. We got a fleet battle - Win. We put the POS several times in reinforced mode. We forced FA to take down both POS - Win.
Mission accomplished.
Oh, the only party failing here is FA  |
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Ivellios
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Posted - 2005.07.24 00:35:00 -
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Ummm.. wrong again TWD.
When at last they discover the center of the universe there will be many people who will be dissapointed that they are not it. |

CrusherDK
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Posted - 2005.07.24 00:39:00 -
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Originally by: TWD Edited by: TWD on 24/07/2005 00:34:07 We go and attack 2 small POS around d4ku. We witnessed the rare occasion of an FA fleet being formed. We got a fleet battle - Win. We put the POS several times in reinforced mode. We forced FA to take down both POS - Win.
Mission accomplished.
Oh, the only party failing here is FA 
uh oh, another reality check requred i see 
Well, i assume you know that small POSes were taken down and replaced with big ones.
p.s. just makes me laugh how that 'someone' tries to pretend nothing happened, lol
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TWD
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Posted - 2005.07.24 00:44:00 -
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An other interesting fact;
Here you can see the outdated alliance stats of the FA, having 8 systems claimed.
Its down to 4 systems now.
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Alasse Cuthalion
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Posted - 2005.07.24 00:50:00 -
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What *actually* happened in 3ztv:
We attacked two FA POS's, one belonging to Ranger corp, the other to Elite Academy.
Both POS's were quickly put in to reinforced mode without suffering a single casualty, bar a cov ops which was shot down after the guns were supposed to have deactivated, gg ccp.
Just before the timer ran out on the first POS, FA grew a pair and tried to attack us, throwing a superior sized fleet at ours which was swiftly crushed (FA losing 7 bs to our 1 in a single engagement) when the second half of our fleet arrived shortly after. As the timer ran out it suddenly restarted with an ungodly amount of extra time, joy... Who thought it'd be a good idea to allow you to add extra Strontium? GG game mechanics. Rinse & repeat with POS no#2 (apart from the fleet bit, two fleet battles in a month is a bit much for FA it seems).
The next day we returned and promptly put another POS in to reinforced mode (took down two hostile bs to boot with zero losses) whilst the owners scurried around unanchoring the structures.
Eventually, both POS were removed by their owners and both corps left FA shortly afterwards.
So, in summary... BoB attacked two online POS's over a period of a weekend and lost one battleship in a fleet engagement whilst FA lost eleven (+ support) in total, both POS were removed and the corps that owned them left FA. The only thing that stopped us from making them phyiscally go *BANG* was Strontium and ****ty game mechanics.
I'm failing to see where the mighty FA succdeded the ebil BoB failed so miserably.
Please enlighten me.
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Fizgig
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Posted - 2005.07.24 01:15:00 -
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[quote} Edited by: SirMolle on 23/07/2005 23:13:25
For reference; http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=197135
The offer; http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=204201
Where is the rest of the pictures. The ones that Show who your alt is in SGHQ? You know Black Sorceress. These pictures shows that BOB cannot take down a POS by force, but have to use ALTS to make sure all POS mods are offline.
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Porro
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Posted - 2005.07.24 01:17:00 -
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Originally by: Ivellios
Fact of the matter is that the only way bob took down ANY POS at all was through duplicity and unsportsman like conduct.
This made me chuckle when fa's 1v1 policy is to gang warp the opponent into a Hostile pos.
Pot Kettle Black.
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Alasse Cuthalion
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Posted - 2005.07.24 01:31:00 -
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Originally by: Fizgig
Where is the rest of the pictures. The ones that Show who your alt is in SGHQ? You know Black Sorceress. These pictures shows that BOB cannot take down a POS by force, but have to use ALTS to make sure all POS mods are offline.
Where are the screenshots of FA trying to attack a BoB POS? Probably the same place as the "FA honourable 1v1" and "FA putting up a valiant defence of Fountain" screenshots.
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Dyvim Slorm
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Posted - 2005.07.24 01:34:00 -
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Originally by: Fizgig [quote} Where is the rest of the pictures. The ones that Show who your alt is in SGHQ? You know Black Sorceress. These pictures shows that BOB cannot take down a POS by force, but have to use ALTS to make sure all POS mods are offline.
Can't see why you blame BoB for poor internal security
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Dracorimus
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Posted - 2005.07.24 01:41:00 -
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heheh
war is not won by guns alone ladies and gents, using your heads is FAR more useful -
http://www.killboard.net/?p=pilot&n=Dracorimus |

Hackett
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Posted - 2005.07.24 01:41:00 -
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There is a discussion about this? Why? There is only one answer to this puzzle.
We can smell the sea
Goodnight
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Estarriol
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Posted - 2005.07.24 01:42:00 -
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Edited by: Estarriol on 24/07/2005 01:44:28
Originally by: Fizgig These pictures shows that BOB cannot take down a POS by force, but have to use ALTS to make sure all POS mods are offline.
Is this what you believe?
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Fizgig
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Posted - 2005.07.24 01:44:00 -
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I don't blame BOB about the Security issues. I am saying they get on here Bragging how they can take on Small POS's with thier fleet. Then they have to resort to Using Alts to take on the big ones. To me there is no Respect there.
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Fizgig
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Posted - 2005.07.24 01:48:00 -
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Edited by: Fizgig on 24/07/2005 01:50:57 Edited by: Fizgig on 24/07/2005 01:48:27
Quote: Is this what you truly believe?
click me!
Yes, Look who is the only one in SGHQ corp at the time the picture was taken.
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Alasse Cuthalion
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Posted - 2005.07.24 01:54:00 -
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You need to a clue, you're embarrasing yourself.
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2005.07.24 02:37:00 -
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Comical.
Sorry chaps but spies and subterfuge are a pretty common tool in war and I know that some of you FA types have got your head so deeply buried in the sand you might not have realised... but... we are at war!
Eve Blacklight Style
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Orree
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Posted - 2005.07.24 04:10:00 -
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Originally by: CrusherDK
Originally by: TWD hehe, reality check please.
*checked*
BoB didnt destroyed any of POS they attacked(small ones). So as we wont name anyone in particular. But your 'reality' is pretty real.
For you and others ill point it again:
- 'Someone' attacks FA POSes and fails. - 'Accidently' Large SGHQ POS goes offline. - 'Someone' pack it into indys and takes away.
Want another reality check?
So much of an 'alliance destroyers'. Now its not about just game, now its about to make people feel bad about any new member they will accept in future. Such thing can even destroy relationships in corporation.
Nothing but a un-respected and low-grade act here.
Honestly, TWD...We merely got bored of maintaining something we didn't need anymore. If we did, we wouldn't hesitate to replace our small tower with something larger. We have the parts. We just have no interest in putting another one up at this point and quite frankly, it has nothing to do with BoB.
Come correct. You failed to destroy the two small POS you attacked in three or four days of trying. Even ELA and Ranger Corp have managed to take down a small, moderately-armed, fully online POS, with fewer forces AND no drone spam in less than a day.
Seriously...you guys are good at what you do. Much respect for that. It just seems unnecessary to try to spin everything to make it look like a win.
I'm just sorry I missed the fleet battle. You guys are always fun to fight. I arrived after you guys started to disperse for the night.
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Orree
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Posted - 2005.07.24 04:14:00 -
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Originally by: Alasse Cuthalion What *actually* happened in 3ztv:
We attacked two FA POS's, one belonging to Ranger corp, the other to Elite Academy.
Both POS's were quickly put in to reinforced mode without suffering a single casualty, bar a cov ops which was shot down after the guns were supposed to have deactivated, gg ccp.
Just before the timer ran out on the first POS, FA grew a pair and tried to attack us, throwing a superior sized fleet at ours which was swiftly crushed (FA losing 7 bs to our 1 in a single engagement) when the second half of our fleet arrived shortly after. As the timer ran out it suddenly restarted with an ungodly amount of extra time, joy... Who thought it'd be a good idea to allow you to add extra Strontium? GG game mechanics. Rinse & repeat with POS no#2 (apart from the fleet bit, two fleet battles in a month is a bit much for FA it seems).
The next day we returned and promptly put another POS in to reinforced mode (took down two hostile bs to boot with zero losses) whilst the owners scurried around unanchoring the structures.
Eventually, both POS were removed by their owners and both corps left FA shortly afterwards.
So, in summary... BoB attacked two online POS's over a period of a weekend and lost one battleship in a fleet engagement whilst FA lost eleven (+ support) in total, both POS were removed and the corps that owned them left FA. The only thing that stopped us from making them phyiscally go *BANG* was Strontium and ****ty game mechanics.
I'm failing to see where the mighty FA succdeded the ebil BoB failed so miserably.
Please enlighten me.
Yep..."GG" to the same type of silly "game mechanics" that allowed you guys to turn around and do what you did in Y-2. Same thing, really...not that I expect you to be big enough to admit it.
I, for one, am not claiming victory. I'm saying you failed to take down the POS and we took it down because we didn't need it anymore...not because you couldn't destroy it.
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Sochin
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Posted - 2005.07.24 05:06:00 -
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This is retarded. You claim we suck because we weren't able to destroy a POS that was constantly in reinforced mode? You are aware that when a POS in reinforced all we can do is sit back and watch the timer tick down. Game mechanics dictate that a POS is invulnerable as long as it's owners have Strontium to feed it.
Our only option is to wait for you to run out of Strontium or the will to keep feeding it, and since you removed the POS before that happened we never really got an opportunity to kill it.
Nemo me impune lacessit
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Sochin
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Posted - 2005.07.24 05:09:00 -
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Originally by: Orree
I, for one, am not claiming victory. I'm saying you failed to take down the POS and we took it down because we didn't need it anymore...not because you couldn't destroy it.
If you didn't want it anymore why the hell did you organize the largest FA fleet we've seen so far to protect it? Why the hell did you keep feeding it strontium for 3 days?
Nemo me impune lacessit
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Dogsta
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Posted - 2005.07.24 05:11:00 -
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Hi, well mostly acurate discription of what happened. but the one inacurate statement that rings out is " Who thought it'd be a good idea to allow you to add extra Strontium? GG game mechanics" the game does not allow for anymore strontnium to be added, in fact nuthing can be added whilst the shields are below 50%. What in fact happenes is the pos leaves a certain amount of stront( not spelling it out anymore), anyways it seems to continue to cycle down like that leaving i think 25% of the original amount each cycle. I dont think you can truly understand how annoying it is for the the defender :P ok thier asleep, ok take it down, wtf! meh. did we claim victory of the day, a little, but more for the frustration it must of been causing. sorta like keeping pilots locked in stations with out the ability to play how they want.
hope it didn't eat up too much of your prescious playing time though. 
Originally by: Alasse Cuthalion What *actually* happened in 3ztv:
We attacked two FA POS's, one belonging to Ranger corp, the other to Elite Academy.
Both POS's were quickly put in to reinforced mode without suffering a single casualty, bar a cov ops which was shot down after the guns were supposed to have deactivated, gg ccp.
Just before the timer ran out on the first POS, FA grew a pair and tried to attack us, throwing a superior sized fleet at ours which was swiftly crushed (FA losing 7 bs to our 1 in a single engagement) when the second half of our fleet arrived shortly after. As the timer ran out it suddenly restarted with an ungodly amount of extra time, joy... Who thought it'd be a good idea to allow you to add extra Strontium? GG game mechanics. Rinse & repeat with POS no#2 (apart from the fleet bit, two fleet battles in a month is a bit much for FA it seems).
The next day we returned and promptly put another POS in to reinforced mode (took down two hostile bs to boot with zero losses) whilst the owners scurried around unanchoring the structures.
Eventually, both POS were removed by their owners and both corps left FA shortly afterwards.
So, in summary... BoB attacked two online POS's over a period of a weekend and lost one battleship in a fleet engagement whilst FA lost eleven (+ support) in total, both POS were removed and the corps that owned them left FA. The only thing that stopped us from making them phyiscally go *BANG* was Strontium and ****ty game mechanics.
I'm failing to see where the mighty FA succdeded the ebil BoB failed so miserably.
Please enlighten me.
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