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Dianabolic	Posted - 2005.07.24 21:17:00 - [61] Originally by: Gavin Kineli Have you considered the idea that maybe BIG doesn't have much isk? BIG spends money on the lottery - we don't make money on it. BIG spends money on the BIG deal, we don't earn any from it. For the record , we have an all-time high amount of isk in BIG right now - upwards of 200m isk. P.S. BIG doesn't buy bpos. Sorry Gavin, I don't believe you. A corporation that is the executor of an alliance that has no isk? A corporation that runs a lottery, and you LOSE MONEY? With respect, sorry, no. Just, well, no. I have the upmost respect and gratitude to Tornsoul for the immense amount of information that he shares with the community through these forums, but there are far too many things that I know of BIG that just don't equate to them / you losing isk on all these things that you do.
CdCommander	Posted - 2005.07.24 21:34:00 - [62] Originally by: Gavin Kineli Have you considered the idea that maybe BIG doesn't have much isk? BIG spends money on the lottery - we don't make money on it. BIG spends money on the BIG deal, we don't earn any from it. P.S. BIG doesn't buy bpos. whoa, couldn't read that with out laughin if you do the lottery and don't make any money from it, then why waste time and money to do so Learn to lie man
Gerome Doutrande	Posted - 2005.07.24 22:00:00 - [63] unless they cheat with the number of tickets sold versus lottery payout, big regularly added money to the put from their own wallet in the past, while never having taken any from the money at least when i checked prior to buying tickets. as to why, maybe because it is the longest running, most successful reoccurring event in eve (and also great advertising for the name big)? not everything in eve is schemed or for personal profit. surprised?
TornSoul	Posted - 2005.07.24 22:01:00 - [64] The BIG Lottery has never made us any ISK - Quite the contrary. How about not pocketing the ~7B surplus we had on ticket sales at the last BIG round. It's all been put back into the BIG Lottery to fund more prizes for those enjoying to take part. Also - The BIG Lottery has always been neutral to any ingame politics - Hell it started before any real ingame politics ever did (been running since beta). So seeing it dragged into this sordid thread says a ton about the mentality of those posting. The BIG Lottery ISK is never mixed together with anything else. The only ISK ever leaving the char "BIG Games" wallet is the ISK paid out to lottery winners. I run the BIG Lottery because : It's fun. Wow, theres a concept for you. Doing something because its fun! Have you ever been at a drawing? Try it one day, it's fun and games. Some of us actually enjoy creating things for other people, instead of just destroying. So kindly STFU about the BIG Lottery unless you have all the facts. BIG Lottery [u
SirMolle	Posted - 2005.07.24 22:24:00 - [65] Originally by: TornSoul The BIG Lottery has never made us any ISK - Quite the contrary. How about not pocketing the ~7B surplus we had on ticket sales at the last BIG round. It's all been put back into the BIG Lottery to fund more prizes for those enjoying to take part. Also - The BIG Lottery has always been neutral to any ingame politics - Hell it started before any real ingame politics ever did (been running since beta). So seeing it dragged into this sordid thread says a ton about the mentality of those posting. The BIG Lottery ISK is never mixed together with anything else. The only ISK ever leaving the char "BIG Games" wallet is the ISK paid out to lottery winners. I run the BIG Lottery because : It's fun. Wow, theres a concept for you. Doing something because its fun! Have you ever been at a drawing? Try it one day, it's fun and games. Some of us actually enjoy creating things for other people, instead of just destroying. So kindly STFU about the BIG Lottery unless you have all the facts. How about being as protective about FA as you are about the BIG lottery?
Ranger 1	Posted - 2005.07.24 22:55:00 - [66] Edited by: Ranger 1 on 24/07/2005 22:58:52 Originally by: SirMolle Originally by: TornSoul The BIG Lottery has never made us any ISK - Quite the contrary. How about not pocketing the ~7B surplus we had on ticket sales at the last BIG round. It's all been put back into the BIG Lottery to fund more prizes for those enjoying to take part. Also - The BIG Lottery has always been neutral to any ingame politics - Hell it started before any real ingame politics ever did (been running since beta). So seeing it dragged into this sordid thread says a ton about the mentality of those posting. The BIG Lottery ISK is never mixed together with anything else. The only ISK ever leaving the char "BIG Games" wallet is the ISK paid out to lottery winners. I run the BIG Lottery because : It's fun. Wow, theres a concept for you. Doing something because its fun! Have you ever been at a drawing? Try it one day, it's fun and games. Some of us actually enjoy creating things for other people, instead of just destroying. So kindly STFU about the BIG Lottery unless you have all the facts. How about being as protective about FA as you are about the BIG lottery? And thus we have one of my reasons for leaving FA. Big Lottery, and Big Sales has gained a sterling reputation for being completely honest and totally neutral in its dealings. I applaud that. However I do not believe that the leader of an alliance at war can afford to be totally neutral in its buisness dealings (lottery aside), and still look out properly for the people in the alliance. At some point a choice of priorities has to be made. The sales service know as BIG-SALES actively sell's (and allows it's sales partners) to actively and knowingly sell to war hostiles, ships and equipment that are being actively used against Fountain Alliance. Any other FA corporation that knowingly sold, or through their marketing organization allowed to be sold, ships and equipment directly to the enemy would be removed from the Alliance. When I pointed this out, I was told I "lacked perspective", and did not/could not understand. I understand how neutrality allows Big sales, and competitors like NAGA to succeed. But NAGA does not have the responsibility of leading an alliance, BIG does. I understand that BIG has sales partners they are responsible to, but BIG determines who those partners are and on what terms those items are sold. Eventually it comes down to a choice of whether to make sacrifices in your personal buisness model to properly protect the interests of your alliance,... or allow the members of the alliance to suffer instead. I admire TornSoul as a buisnessman, but I can no longer respect him as an alliance leader. I personally made the decision to no longer place my corp members interests in jeapordy to provide a cushion for BIGS buisness interests. Especially when they seem unable or unwilling to make any sacrifices to support their alliance. Edit to correct at least some of my bad grammar. That's not a moon... that's my POS
travling's women	Posted - 2005.07.24 23:00:00 - [67] Edited by: travling''s women on 24/07/2005 23:00:35 woops
Travling	Posted - 2005.07.24 23:01:00 - [68] It was an honor flying with fa in the good days but since some ppl got greedy and decided to try and run an alliance for there own personal wealth this is what happens. We as a corp told u this before we left but nobody listend. Im sorry to see fa die but there is nothing more to be done or said.
Daenarys	Posted - 2005.07.24 23:05:00 - [69] Originally by: Lilan Kahn well in all fairness we do kil the odd big frig while the rest of the alliance losse bigger ships, you woud see that if you checked our socre bord Hope it is okay that I can quote you on that and provide a link from your killboard: the odd big frig To me it seems those numbers don't really reflect the supposed greediness of said corporations.
The Hooch	Posted - 2005.07.24 23:43:00 - [70] Quote: Any other FA corporation that knowingly sold, or through their marketing organization allowed to be sold, ships and equipment directly to the enemy would be removed from the Alliance. When I pointed this out, I was told I "lacked perspective", and did not/could not understand. Well ain't that sweet, I (we) are being killed with our own guns and ships, <sniff> makes me so proud. Anybody have a tissue? Hooch
Bozl1n	Posted - 2005.07.25 00:08:00 - [71] Originally by: Zan Esu I've got his second corpse :) and I intend to keep it! 2004.10.22 04:54:00 Victim: Bozl1n Corporation: Cold Fusion Inc. Destroyed Type: Capsule Solar System: Serpentis Prime System Security Level: 0.0 Involved parties: Name: Zan Esu (laid the final blow) TWD has 1 as well, so i guess it aint that limited You and TWD earnt them however, doyles was a gift http:/eve-coldfusion.com
Allen Deckard	Posted - 2005.07.25 00:21:00 - [72] Not really up on politics don't really have any use for them but do have a couple questions. What are bob's plans for the space? Bob you guys don't really seem like a bunch of miners really. Nor do you seem like a bunch that are gonna have much fun planting roots anywhere. So you just waring to have a good fight then move on to next? Just currious not passing judgment in either direction.
Kyle Caldrel	Posted - 2005.07.25 00:29:00 - [73] this is where they say- your next
Alter Mann	Posted - 2005.07.25 01:44:00 - [74] Originally by: Allen Deckard Not really up on politics don't really have any use for them but do have a couple questions. What are bob's plans for the space? Bob you guys don't really seem like a bunch of miners really. Nor do you seem like a bunch that are gonna have much fun planting roots anywhere. So you just waring to have a good fight then move on to next? Just currious not passing judgment in either direction. you kidding? when BOB is mining, veldspar roids are cancelling their accounts!
Dogsta	Posted - 2005.07.25 01:52:00 - [75] Originally by: SirMolle Originally by: dabster Originally by: SirMolle As for official statements, we welcome anything FA would like to state officially, like.. the last 3 corps that left FA for instance that haven't said a word about their departure yet. The offer still stands, 7 days ceasefire for a official post where you resign from FA and leave the IGA as well as vacate Fountain. Some people call it "a pride thing". There's no loss of pride admitting that you cannot win, and want to explore other opportunities. There's strength in knowing when you should move on. Of all the opponents we have fought, the ones that gets our respect are those who, a) go at us with everthing they have and make us sweat. b) those who have admitted defeat when they are defeated. Those who keep denying and use these forums a a fiction table without ingame actions to back it up.. well, go figure. We know which corps have left FA, we know they havnt said it publically, and cannot understand why... we will however let them state it themselves. I Proudly wore the FA flag. I proudly wear the Flag of My corp. We fought you, we've annoyed you, hell sometimes even admired you.(something to be said for getting a 30 ship fleet to scramble 20 somthing jumps just to safe spot a raiding party.) ELA left FA due to many reasons that excisted before you came, and remain still.(your alts can read our posts if you want to know more) Had you not been in the core, we would have left, as it is, we leave, we ask no quarter or favor. we will do what we do, and you what you will. No name is legion. The son of a demon. brought up from the depths of hell. The changing lamb. Turns to sand. Glorious renewal of war...
Reiisha	Posted - 2005.07.25 02:37:00 - [76] Originally by: Daenarys Originally by: Lilan Kahn well in all fairness we do kil the odd big frig while the rest of the alliance losse bigger ships, you woud see that if you checked our socre bord Hope it is okay that I can quote you on that and provide a link from your killboard: the odd big frig To me it seems those numbers don't really reflect the supposed greediness of said corporations. The list lists 283 BIG losses. Less than 2 a day when counted from the beginning to the end of the list, 01-01-2005 to 24-07-2005, and the first 19 are kills from some noob alt..... 114 kills, less than 1 a day, and only 36 of those are battleships. BIG activity, or at least participation over the board is low at best.
Awalance	Posted - 2005.07.25 03:10:00 - [77] Edited by: Awalance on 25/07/2005 03:11:10 Originally by: TornSoul The BIG Lottery has never made us any ISK - Quite the contrary. How about not pocketing the ~7B surplus we had on ticket sales at the last BIG round. It's all been put back into the BIG Lottery to fund more prizes for those enjoying to take part. Also - The BIG Lottery has always been neutral to any ingame politics - Hell it started before any real ingame politics ever did (been running since beta). So seeing it dragged into this sordid thread says a ton about the mentality of those posting. ""..4) BIG will keep 10% of the deposited ISK - the rest will be payed out as prize money. 5) BIG will only pay out as much in prize money as have been deposited into the lottery via ticket sales (minus the 10%).." where 10 % goes ? The BIG Lottery ISK is never mixed together with anything else. The only ISK ever leaving the char "BIG Games" wallet is the ISK paid out to lottery winners. I run the BIG Lottery because : It's fun. Wow, theres a concept for you. Doing something because its fun! Have you ever been at a drawing? Try it one day, it's fun and games. Some of us actually enjoy creating things for other people, instead of just destroying. So kindly STFU about the BIG Lottery unless you have all the facts. 4) BIG will keep 10% of the deposited ISK - the rest will be payed out as prize money. 5) BIG will only pay out as much in prize money as have been deposited into the lottery via ticket sales (minus the 10%) what abaut 10% ?!?! ------------------------ after you die ,and all peoples who knows you die also ..its like you never exist
Blacklight	Posted - 2005.07.25 03:19:00 - [78] Originally by: Allen Deckard Not really up on politics don't really have any use for them but do have a couple questions. What are bob's plans for the space? Bob you guys don't really seem like a bunch of miners really. Nor do you seem like a bunch that are gonna have much fun planting roots anywhere. So you just waring to have a good fight then move on to next? Just currious not passing judgment in either direction. Well we do of course have a plan and of course no we're not going to reveal it. Eve Blacklight Style
David Corbett	Posted - 2005.07.25 03:57:00 - [79] Edited by: David Corbett on 25/07/2005 03:58:00 Originally by: Tiberius Caesar I guess the question is, where are all FA friends when they need them most? Simple answer: at war with them, and not friends anymore.
Gavin Kineli	Posted - 2005.07.25 04:06:00 - [80] Originally by: Awalance 4) BIG will keep 10% of the deposited ISK - the rest will be payed out as prize money. 5) BIG will only pay out as much in prize money as have been deposited into the lottery via ticket sales (minus the 10%) what abaut 10% ?!?! BIG reserves the right to take 10% - but has never done so. Play The BIG Lottery!
Lo3d3R	Posted - 2005.07.25 04:11:00 - [81] Edited by: Lo3d3R on 25/07/2005 04:12:58 Originally by: TornSoul The BIG Lottery has never made us any ISK - Quite the contrary. How about not pocketing the ~7B surplus we had on ticket sales at the last BIG round. It's all been put back into the BIG Lottery to fund more prizes for those enjoying to take part. Also - The BIG Lottery has always been neutral to any ingame politics - Hell it started before any real ingame politics ever did (been running since beta). So seeing it dragged into this sordid thread says a ton about the mentality of those posting. The BIG Lottery ISK is never mixed together with anything else. The only ISK ever leaving the char "BIG Games" wallet is the ISK paid out to lottery winners. I run the BIG Lottery because : It's fun. Wow, theres a concept for you. Doing something because its fun! Have you ever been at a drawing? Try it one day, it's fun and games. Some of us actually enjoy creating things for other people, instead of just destroying. So kindly STFU about the BIG Lottery unless you have all the facts. youpostingaboutthislotteryissosuspiciousetcthatyouprollyaremakinga$hiteloadofmoneywithit ** i vote for a BOB lottery, yes!! take over the BIG lottery, what the hell its almost the same name, i might even buy a ticket or two (if i have isks), whohoo reach in to TS pockets
Nimrae	Posted - 2005.07.25 05:23:00 - [82] Very happy to see BIG and TS out of FA, it could and should have been done by FA corps a long time ago, guess we can give a big thanks to BoB for that. On the other hand, it is shame to see the FA grunts getting the pounding, so many good folks in this alliance had to suffer insults and sarcasm just because of one man ego-wallet /me wonders how BoB is going to sort out this whole mess, as they are generally good at destroying and not building
Cpt Doyle	Posted - 2005.07.25 07:03:00 - [83] Originally by: Bozl1n doyles was a gift yeah it was a gift pop the pod and win a prize
SlightlyMad	Posted - 2005.07.25 10:33:00 - [84] Edited by: SlightlyMad on 25/07/2005 10:35:56 Originally by: Nyk0n The fa has begun to destablise internally, at all levals on the internal boards and the ship is now begining to sink. Well.. seems to me that PA should repay the help they got from FA when PA had been in war for a year or so. Like furious angels came 10 FA frigates to Venal. They stayed for a night and half of them returned in pods. Finally, the help was there. It raised morale significantly and I think that that one thing was responsible for giving PA strength enough to die at least three more times in Molle posts. I am a man of honor. The help from FA in PA's greatest demise is not a thing I've forgotten. And I sworn that when the Seige on FA had been going on for enough long time, I would be up there in a frigate. I now publicly announce that I am willing to put an Incursus on the battlefield should there be need for extra Pilots in this rescue operation. I just need to know how to contact to arrange for huntingpass or something * -"get real"
Stratego	Posted - 2005.07.25 10:48:00 - [85] Originally by: SlightlyMad Edited by: SlightlyMad on 25/07/2005 10:35:56 Originally by: Nyk0n The fa has begun to destablise internally, at all levals on the internal boards and the ship is now begining to sink. Well.. seems to me that PA should repay the help they got from FA when PA had been in war for a year or so. Like furious angels came 10 FA frigates to Venal. They stayed for a night and half of them returned in pods. Finally, the help was there. It raised morale significantly and I think that that one thing was responsible for giving PA strength enough to die at least three more times in Molle posts. I am a man of honor. The help from FA in PA's greatest demise is not a thing I've forgotten. And I sworn that when the Seige on FA had been going on for enough long time, I would be up there in a frigate. I now publicly announce that I am willing to put an Incursus on the battlefield should there be need for extra Pilots in this rescue operation. I just need to know how to contact to arrange for huntingpass or something ROFL, good post! :D BOB are BOB 5 are BOB and together we make BOOBIE5.

Zhuge Liang	Posted - 2005.07.25 11:00:00 - [86] This thread has run any useful course it might have had. Locked.


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