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Rick Dentill
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Posted - 2005.07.25 21:25:00 -
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Haha it happened again. I took my megathron into the spy stash mission, got away with only 53% hull. I would have got away faster but there were just too many missiles wrecking my warp out.
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Blind Fear
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Posted - 2005.07.25 21:58:00 -
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I'm now sick of helping people.
Stop flying stuff you arent competent to be in or you will lose it in embarrasing ways to lvl 3 missions.
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Calian
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Posted - 2005.07.25 22:20:00 -
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 Originally by: Blind Fear
I'm now sick of helping people.
Stop flying stuff you arent competent to be in or you will lose it in embarrasing ways to lvl 3 missions.
Heya, I just got this one yesturday, haven't gotten around to trying it yet though. I'll tell you which of us was right when I do though ; p
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Rick Dentill
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Posted - 2005.07.25 22:34:00 -
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Edited by: Rick Dentill on 25/07/2005 22:33:58
Originally by: Blind Fear
I'm now sick of helping people.
Stop flying stuff you arent competent to be in or you will lose it in embarrasing ways to lvl 3 missions.
Whoa there chill, I was not even asking for help! I just find it funny and wanted to share. If you got nothing constructive don;t bother replying.
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Blind Fear
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Posted - 2005.07.25 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: Rick Dentill
Whoa there chill, I was not even asking for help! I just find it funny and wanted to share. If you got nothing constructive don;t bother replying.
I was being constructive. If a lvl 3 mission gets into your structure/destroys your battleship, you shouldnt have been flying it in the first place. You're hiding behind raw HP to avoid learning how to fight properly, and it will bite you. Hard.
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Querl Dox
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Posted - 2005.07.25 22:43:00 -
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I tried this mission yesterday in my Prophecy, and could see it was hard. Brought my corp mate in with his prophecy as well and we had alot of fun. This mission was just too much for me solo.
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Elaina Cosengo
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Posted - 2005.07.25 23:48:00 -
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ha give me a break, your all kidding right, they are still lvl3's 
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Okoru
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Posted - 2005.07.26 01:17:00 -
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just harden... and try to pop the heavy missile spamming towers first. They do a crapload of dmg. 
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Kastar
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Posted - 2005.07.26 06:53:00 -
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Edited by: Kastar on 26/07/2005 06:56:11
Same old story here  Unexperienced pilot flies in without srategy or any feeling on how to wrap this up and gets blown to smithereens...
Rick, now you nearly lost a 110M ship, while you could have wrapped it up in a 6M one more easily. I don't want to give you a bad feeling, so here are some hints:
- Fly in and immediately align towards a warpable object
- agro one of the groups (in the spy stash the first level have 2 harsh groups of npc's) and keep that afterburner on while flying away from them. Now it depends on your range, you should start picking them off one by one. It'll take a while, but they do very few dmg above 30km, except the two 120k thingies.
- In the second level, when the rats are cleared, take a short bow around the heavy tower so the dmg of the sentries is less and take the heavy out first.
One thing you have to consider these days... more than ever, there's no more rushing in a mission and shooting everything that movers while tanking and floating at the spot. You actually need to think about how and take your time.
if you know the above, just neglect it. I thought I should share this, if you take a megathron into a lv 3 you can't be that experienced. Just consider the smaller the ship, the higher the fun rate.
[edit: we didn't even talk about your setup, must have been a damn bad one, sowwy. It was said before I think, use hardeners specific for your local rats. Oh yeah, the black market hub mission is harder.]
Kas
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Darcuese
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Posted - 2005.07.26 07:48:00 -
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Hello Kas..lol
Btw..someone can destroy those turrets in 2nd stage and then go after ship. Someone that has good Tank and good damage.
There is a big possibility for you being scrambled by frig there. So, my advice to you is to kill that frig first (if you are low SP player-like me ). Dont be afraid to warp out few times if neccesary. To bad that there is a 90 km distance from gate 1 to 2 ..lol.
But do kill that scram frig and then step by step if needed.
Doing lev 3 in BS..nah..I do them in Maller and I only have 130k in gunnery. And if i lose it, no crying couse next one is around corner.
And doing missions in low space and then being ambushed by pirate activitie and losing expensive ship....lol...no thank you. .
even if you are unexpiriance player...lev 3 are possible in cruiser. Some parts of mission could not be done alone however for that one. So, take care of what you can and call someone for those few minutes to finish mission...best advice i could give
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elFarto
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Posted - 2005.07.26 08:36:00 -
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Originally by: Rick Dentill
Haha it happened again. I took my megathron into the spy stash mission, got away with only 53% hull. I would have got away faster but there were just too many missiles wrecking my warp out.
A megathron on a lvl3?!
I can complete The Spy Stash with my trusty Ferox without too much of a problem. My shields have never failed, or for that matter dropped below 40%.
Please learn to fly/equip your ship better.
Regards
elFarto
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Chriton
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Posted - 2005.07.26 08:55:00 -
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Originally by: Kastar
Edited by: Kastar on 26/07/2005 06:56:11
Same old story here Unexperienced pilot flies in without srategy or any feeling on how to wrap this up and gets blown to smithereens...
Rick, now you nearly lost a 110M ship, while you could have wrapped it up in a 6M one more easily. I don't want to give you a bad feeling, so here are some hints:
- Fly in and immediately align towards a warpable object
- agro one of the groups (in the spy stash the first level have 2 harsh groups of npc's) and keep that afterburner on while flying away from them. Now it depends on your range, you should start picking them off one by one. It'll take a while, but they do very few dmg above 30km, except the two 120k thingies.
- In the second level, when the rats are cleared, take a short bow around the heavy tower so the dmg of the sentries is less and take the heavy out first.
One thing you have to consider these days... more than ever, there's no more rushing in a mission and shooting everything that movers while tanking and floating at the spot. You actually need to think about how and take your time.
if you know the above, just neglect it. I thought I should share this, if you take a megathron into a lv 3 you can't be that experienced. Just consider the smaller the ship, the higher the fun rate.
[edit: we didn't even talk about your setup, must have been a damn bad one, sowwy. It was said before I think, use hardeners specific for your local rats. Oh yeah, the black market hub mission is harder.]
Kas
First mission I did after the CWE patch was the Black Market Hub. Boy was I surprised. All this talk about missiles beeing nerfed. After the rats had taken down my shield (I armor tank) I was struck by a missile dealing over 800 dmg . That hurt. But besides from this mission, I do all my L3 missions in a Battlecruiser with a nice compliment of medium drones. And I'm not (yet  ) one of the uber players. I've been at this for 9 months now.
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Kastar
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Posted - 2005.07.26 09:54:00 -
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Darc, get back to work, I'll do the same 
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Seramis
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Posted - 2005.07.26 10:47:00 -
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I made Spy stash more than once in Cerberus, it is very easy in it. A BS is more than overpowered, and most player seems to think a larger ship is always better, and larger guns are always better. For Level 3 Missions a Cruiser or Battle Cruiser is the best choice if u can use it right.
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Sean Delong
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Posted - 2005.07.26 11:19:00 -
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I have done The Spy Stash first room in my Vexor. The second one is impossible with that ship, so I came back to the station and returned with my Thorax and finish it. It's hard, I had to warp a couple of times, and I have lost a Thorax in that mission the first time I tryed it. The secret is, 1 adaptive nano membrane + 2 knetic hardners for the second room. With that fit the heavys will only do 40 or less damage to your armor. But that fat 140K cruiser will *****you with 140damage+ per shot. If you don't destroy the sentrys fast enough you will have to warp or become an egg.
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Hrco
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Posted - 2005.07.26 13:34:00 -
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Quote:
A megathron on a lvl3?!
I can complete The Spy Stash with my trusty Ferox without too much of a problem. My shields have never failed, or for that matter dropped below 40%.
Please learn to fly/equip your ship better.
Regards
elFarto
Please....dont behieve like that... "please learn to fly/equip your ship better" and the same time mentioning like you are some kind of tough guy making lev 3 in Ferox...lol.
If you wanna help , help him with some constructive comment and not like that.
If you would read a bit above....Im doing lev 3 in Maller and yet im 2 months old player without good gunnery SP. so, everything is possible...it just need one to take step by step....and so he can Learn fly Megathrone lot better doing lev 3 missions than doing lev 4 .
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Thor Darkwing
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Posted - 2005.07.26 20:02:00 -
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Originally by: Rick Dentill
Haha it happened again. I took my megathron into the spy stash mission, got away with only 53% hull. I would have got away faster but there were just too many missiles wrecking my warp out.
How did you manage that
i never go under 80-90% armor in my armortanked ishtar=)
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FireFoxx80
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Posted - 2005.07.26 21:49:00 -
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Level 3 missions are easily done in a Ferox. Its all down to having enough skills, confidence in your abilities as a pilot, and choosing a setup that tanks somewhat.
However, I tried a level3 mission in my raven the other day. Can't remember which one it was, but locking the closest turret managed to aggro the 10 cruisers and 8 frigates there. Was a bit unexpected.
I recommend that raven pilots use 2x small beam lasers, and a tracking enhancers.
Still, shields didn't drop below 40% with some tactful shield boosting. Though I by the time I finished killing things, I realised I was almost 200km from the gate.
So, it goes either way.
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Van Cleef
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Posted - 2005.07.27 01:57:00 -
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As bit of general help, don't target the gun towers, if you do, they will all argo you.
Pick your targets wisely and attack at YOUR best range and you can work through it. The Spy Stash is EASY in a Ferox if you just take your time and do it wisely (oh, and have trained missle skills)
The Black Market Hub, now that is an entire different story.
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Calian
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Posted - 2005.07.27 02:08:00 -
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Just did the spy stash mission in a caracal, finished it a minute ago.
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Paradox Eve
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Posted - 2005.07.27 07:12:00 -
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How do you "learn to fly your ship properly" without risking destruction now and again- getting something to learn from?
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FireFoxx80
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Posted - 2005.07.27 07:45:00 -
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Originally by: Paradox Eve
How do you "learn to fly your ship properly" without risking destruction now and again- getting something to learn from?
I think the point is, don't use a 100m+ ISM ship to do it ;)
ex: P-TMC | USAC |
elFarto
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Posted - 2005.07.27 09:09:00 -
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Originally by: Hrco
Please....dont behieve like that... "please learn to fly/equip your ship better" and the same time mentioning like you are some kind of tough guy making lev 3 in Ferox...lol.
If you wanna help , help him with some constructive comment and not like that.
If you would read a bit above....Im doing lev 3 in Maller and yet im 2 months old player without good gunnery SP. so, everything is possible...it just need one to take step by step....and so he can Learn fly Megathrone lot better doing lev 3 missions than doing lev 4 .
I'm no tough guy, I'm always warp-aligned and running away when I start shooting stuff.
You doing lvl3 missions in a Maller, good for you, I wish you the best of luck. I did some lvl2 mission in an Osprey, and lost it. It was my own fault, bad setup and bad tactics (like standing still, and heavy missiles really hurt in an osprey). I've learnt from that, and now I can do lvl3's without any problems.
Rick, what setup do you have on your megathron?
Regards
elFarto
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Oberon Oblique
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Posted - 2005.07.27 16:16:00 -
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OK, i got to say it...lvl3's in a BS should be a total cakewalk.
when i do lvl3's (to gain standing with a new corp or faction), I use an Apoc and sail thru any/all missions.
For a Mega I would suggest the following setup...
5x 425 proto's
2x Hvy Neutron Blasters(crusier guns)
1x Lrg EMP Smartie
1x 100 MWD
1x Sensor Booster II
1x TP II
1x 10K/90% webby
1x Lrg Armor Rep
1x Thermal Hardenr (55%)
1x Energized Adaptive Nano II
4x Hybrid DMG mod II's (Gyros i think)
Aways Kill closest things first, If you moving while shooting only move direcly away from your target.
If you cant make a setup like this work...fly a throrax insted.
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Indigo Callypso
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Posted - 2005.07.27 20:17:00 -
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Edited by: Indigo Callypso on 27/07/2005 20:17:47
Oberon, I am a rank noob (coming up on my first million in skill points (see, I don't even use the uber initials you guys use)) and I don't know why to fly only away from the targets. I read these forums for good tactical info and this seems to be a pearl to snatch up but I don't get it.
Thanks
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Oberon Oblique
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Posted - 2005.07.27 21:32:00 -
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the logic of only flying directly away or not moving at all is to increase your chances to hit (this is for BS guns and some cruiser guns. Frig guns track great.)
NPC rats will fly almost straight at you and will have little or no transverse velocity (guns with bad tracking like BS guns will still hit)
BTW if you only have 1mil skill pts lvl3's are gonna be hard.
The n00b is not a n00b when you ask good questions. Lots of great info on the boards too.
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Hephaesteus
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Posted - 2005.07.28 10:03:00 -
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Edited by: Hephaesteus on 28/07/2005 10:06:50
Try this for lvl 3 missions it has never failed yet, in fact I have gone back to a blaster rax setup for lvl 3 missions cos the Meg makes them a little to easy.
High
7 x tech 2 med 250mm rails (antimatter ammo)
1 x cruise launcher or large smartbomb
med
100mn ab
heavy cap booster 4 x 800 charges
cap recharger tech 2
1 x webby, fleeting if you can get one
low
1 x large armour rep
1 x medium rep named
1 x magnetic field stab tech 2
4 x 50% armour hardeners
Even without the tech 2 stuff this would make an ok setup.
Oh yeah, dont forget a dronebay full of drones is a must wether meds or heavies.
Have fun
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Indigo Callypso
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Posted - 2005.07.28 10:52:00 -
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Oberon, thanks for the info, and yeah, I am barely doing a level two mission now...just wanted to know the why of the tactic. Your explanation makes perfect sense. Thanks
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Randuin MaraL
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Posted - 2005.07.28 12:34:00 -
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Edited by: Randuin MaraL on 28/07/2005 12:35:30
Originally by: Blind Fear
Originally by: Rick Dentill
Whoa there chill, I was not even asking for help! I just find it funny and wanted to share. If you got nothing constructive don;t bother replying.
I was being constructive. If a lvl 3 mission gets into your structure/destroys your battleship, you shouldnt have been flying it in the first place. You're hiding behind raw HP to avoid learning how to fight properly, and it will bite you. Hard.
It certainly will in lvl 4. ... and ...
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ha give me a break, your all kidding right, they are still lvl3's
, mind you?
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Ava Gaborstein
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Posted - 2005.07.29 10:07:00 -
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The only lvl 3 mission I've tried is Silence the Informant, and I got utterly stomped. What am I doing wrong? I have 240,000sp in Gunnery (although when I tried that mission I only had around 130,000 or so), and a pretty good setup, I think.
Prophecy
5x Heavy Pulse I (radio and multi crystals)
1x Med Nos
1x Standard Launcher w/ Defenders
1x 10mn AB II
1x x5 webber
1x Cap Recharger
1x Med Armor Rep
3x Armor Hardener
2x Power Diagnostic System I
Now, I don't really have drones yet, but my electronics, engineering and nav skills are mostly IV's, and most of my Gunnery is at III (Cont. Bursts, Motion Prediction, gun types), with Weapon Upgrades IV. I also have Battlecruiser III. For some reason, it was taking forever to kill those drones.
What am I doing wrong? I'm thinking I'm just using the wrong pulse crystals or something stupid, because I should be able to take these missions out fairly easily, or so I thought.
Any advice?
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