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Icarus Starkiller
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Posted - 2005.07.27 12:19:00 -
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Bugger 1 free day - that just adjusts my billing date out by 24 hours, big deal IMO.
What I want are the 14+ hours of lost skills for two of my characters.
Before I go to work (12 hour shifts) I log on, change to short-skills while I am prepping for work, chat with corp members, ect...
10 minutes after I log on the two chars and begin 1.5 hour skills the server goes belly up. I cannot get back on before I have to leave for work... resulting in 14 hours of lost skill time for two accounts.
THAT is what I want - I don't care about the 'free day' that I'll never even notice.
CCP needs to create some sort of 'fallback' skill slot you can select for instances when your character finishes another skill and you're not 'online' to select a new one. ESPECIALLY with the rampat server instability that has been occuring lately.
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Fitz Chivalry
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Posted - 2005.07.27 12:20:00 -
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 Originally by: Blydchyld
Please stop the whine.
If you dont like it go play WoW, also do me a favour give me your paypal details and i will give you the money out of my own pocket on one condition.
14.95e/31 =.48c charge per day (cpd)
cpd/24 = .02c per hour charge (cph)
cph x 2 = .04c
OFC it would be less if you pay for block subs.
I will pay you this fee for the 2 hours DT out of my own pocket, if you agree to not ever post regarding this subject again.
Its not really like that though, I sat down to play at around 8-ish UK time - server crashes shortly thereafter - (I go play GTA for a couple of hours anfer therapy so no big deal really) - it comes back on at around 11.15pm by which time I need to go to bed - so effectively I have lost one "days" worth of play on eve because like most people I can only play for a few hours a day - yeah bad luck that it happens just when I want to play but the server being down for those two hours was, in effect, the same as it being down all night for me.
Still, even if we count it as a whole day it still only comes out at around 30p, but if you want to pay me that would be great - my paypal details are bill.gates@ well u can guess the rest 
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Leilani Solaris
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Posted - 2005.07.27 12:22:00 -
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Originally by: MarkX
In all the other MMORPG's I have played, if a problem occurs with a server, downtime, or a queue has to be installed; the company offers each and every player 1 day free, automatically added to their account. This is nice, because it shows the company realizes they have paying customers and cant just keep apologizing when things go wrong...
*hint hint*
Besides the server crash for 2+ hours today, we have to wait for hours upon hours after patches, hotfixes, etc. You cannot do this when customers pay $17.95 a month (Canadian). Please do not delete this post, and respond.
go play WoW.
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Sicori Malaki
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Posted - 2005.07.27 12:25:00 -
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b· ******* h·, call the whambulance
I want my 0.5Ç back
I cant even buy a freckin coke for that, EvE doesnt need whiners like the OP and you should just honestly go play some other MMO if you cant stand not being able to play for few hours.
you do know that it's the summer, and more than half of the CCP staff are on summer vacation? and oh if you didn't know, then CCP has refunded 0.5Ç on at least 2 occations I can remember just on this year, and I doubt they'll bother to do it now, not because they think it's not worth it, but because some players are greedy and demand it, if you would just have shut your mouth and waited there had been a sliiight chance that CCP would have maybe added a day to our accounts.
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Sicori Malaki
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Posted - 2005.07.27 12:32:00 -
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and just wanted to add that CCP in my opinion has the best and strongest relationship with it's playerbase than any other MMO making corp I can think of, i.e. in not many other MMO's (that I can think of) do you get as much information about what is happening, planned or anything else about the game as CCP is doing with eve for the moment.
GO CCP !
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Malken
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Posted - 2005.07.27 12:36:00 -
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the problem is now the petitions for shiplosses due to lag and crashes that i assume got wiped in their cleaning of the petition que.
does this mean we will see a general reimbursement for a certain period?
as we know that they will not be able to verify any of the losses in their logs after a week or so.
and since they cant verify it you will get a canned responce to any such petition unless they do a general reimbursement for over a certain period.
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Kingpenn
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Posted - 2005.07.27 12:39:00 -
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...and free pony rides!
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Raem Civrie
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Posted - 2005.07.27 12:56:00 -
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WoW is currently undergoing horrible server problems. My old server (dethecus on US) hasn't been properly up for days.
And you cry about a couple of hours in EVE?
There are people in this thread that I hope will drown in their own vomit.
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AmaZulu
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Posted - 2005.07.27 12:57:00 -
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Originally by: MarkX
In all the other MMORPG's I have played, if a problem occurs with a server, downtime, or a queue has to be installed; the company offers each and every player 1 day free, automatically added to their account. This is nice, because it shows the company realizes they have paying customers and cant just keep apologizing when things go wrong...
*hint hint*
Besides the server crash for 2+ hours today, we have to wait for hours upon hours after patches, hotfixes, etc. You cannot do this when customers pay $17.95 a month (Canadian). Please do not delete this post, and respond.
More Whine with the cheese?
STOP WHINING! These things happen!
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.07.27 13:03:00 -
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I got to thinking about this, after reading the thread starter. I can't think of any occasion with all of the MMOs I've played, when a couple of hours of downtime has resulted in anything other than a "whoopsie!" post from a community manager type. That aside, lets do the math.
From the OP, he pays $17.95/mo. Assuming 30 days:
$17.95/30 = $0.60/day (rounded up)
$0.60/24 = $0.0249/hour
$0.0249*3 = $0.08 (rounded)
So assuming the server was down for 3 hours solid yesterday (I think the number was a bit lower than that, but lets just assume...), then the original poster is asking for a free month for three hours of downtime, which actually cost him 8 cents (Canadian, no less). And that's assuming he plays non-stop for the whole month to maximize his $17.95.
Oops. Did I shine too bright a light on the ridiculousness of this thread?
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Frost Killer
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Posted - 2005.07.27 13:09:00 -
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As said CCP doesn't owe us anything, but it would be nice if they put a message up saying what the issue is.
Anyways CCP seems to give days out with extended downtimes 8+ hours, or when it hits between 12-18 hours of downtime since the last time they handed it out. They do a great job I think and truely the servers aren't down all that often. Just this last patch some bad code got in that was only found on this server due to different loads and evenviroment.
Its a MMO, most companies have issues expecially program ones, live with it.
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Zac Paris
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Posted - 2005.07.27 13:13:00 -
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Originally by: Winterblink
I got to thinking about this, after reading the thread starter. I can't think of any occasion with all of the MMOs I've played, when a couple of hours of downtime has resulted in anything other than a "whoopsie!" post from a community manager type. That aside, lets do the math.
From the OP, he pays $17.95/mo. Assuming 30 days:
$17.95/30 = $0.60/day (rounded up)
$0.60/24 = $0.0249/hour
$0.0249*3 = $0.08 (rounded)
So assuming the server was down for 3 hours solid yesterday (I think the number was a bit lower than that, but lets just assume...), then the original poster is asking for a free month for three hours of downtime, which actually cost him 8 cents (Canadian, no less). And that's assuming he plays non-stop for the whole month to maximize his $17.95.
Oops. Did I shine too bright a light on the ridiculousness of this thread?
Yeah but it's not just 3 hours is it. Lately whenever I go into loc sec space or do any travelling, the thought "now am I going to get stuck in this system, or will the server die again" has started to enter the depths of my head, and that isn't a good thing.
I don't expect any compensation or freebies, but a little stability would be nice.
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Autumnleaves
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Posted - 2005.07.27 13:31:00 -
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Originally by: Omber Zombie
Hey MarkX, how about you pay for the expansions (which you currently get for free) and then you may get your free day for the 2hours of lost gameplay.
As many people have stated, repeatedly, the new patch did NOT add as much entertainment value to there game play as it removed via missle nurf & highway removal so and I for would would have loved the opportunity to give ccp the 1 finger salute, not get the expansion and KEEP my missles ( and more importanly for me at this point the NPC missles so defenders worked ) the way they were and the highways the way they were and NOT have access to dreads and freighters I will not in a year of training fly let alone be able to buy.
Secondly, the monthly subscription includes costs for R&D and patches built into it, so I DID pay for the expansion.
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AmaZulu
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Posted - 2005.07.27 13:38:00 -
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Originally by: Autumnleaves
Originally by: Omber Zombie
Hey MarkX, how about you pay for the expansions (which you currently get for free) and then you may get your free day for the 2hours of lost gameplay.
As many people have stated, repeatedly, the new patch did NOT add as much entertainment value to there game play as it removed via missle nurf & highway removal so and I for would would have loved the opportunity to give ccp the 1 finger salute, not get the expansion and KEEP my missles ( and more importanly for me at this point the NPC missles so defenders worked ) the way they were and the highways the way they were and NOT have access to dreads and freighters I will not in a year of training fly let alone be able to buy.
Secondly, the monthly subscription includes costs for R&D and patches built into it, so I DID pay for the expansion.
My head hurts from all this WHINING!
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.07.27 13:41:00 -
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Originally by: Autumnleaves
As many people have stated, repeatedly, the new patch did NOT add as much entertainment value to there game play as it removed via missle nurf & highway removal
That's because it was a patch, and not an expansion.
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Kresh Vladir
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Posted - 2005.07.27 14:08:00 -
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they alrdy gave us a day free for when they released the ew patch ( cant remember what it was called ) cus the server would litterly crash every 20mins for about 12hrs
and w/ the unsceduled d/t's they have been giving us i still thing weve gotten 3-4 hrs free
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ErrorS
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Posted - 2005.07.27 14:22:00 -
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Edited by: ErrorS on 27/07/2005 14:23:35
Edited by: ErrorS on 27/07/2005 14:22:29
Originally by: Kuolematon
... and this is why I play WoW 
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-realm-status&t=1803&p=1&tmp=1#post1803
edit: err.. they're giving one free day. Still, WoW is just as unstable as Eve Online
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Olympa Matar
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Posted - 2005.07.27 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: AmaZulu
My head hurts from all this WHINING!
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Jubeli
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Posted - 2005.07.27 14:33:00 -
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Someone wanted 14 hours of skillpoints? Yeah that is what.. 1 %% of a year? My god you will miss that.
And CCP did give us a free day about a year ago also when they had problems like this, but far worse with noded going down for 3-4 hours and several days during a few weeks. That was a grand gesture.
CCP - you can have my days. It is after patch and all the smart ones keep long term training on now until you say "we are back on track"
The rest of you, stop whining about money that wouldn't even buy you a glass of milk.
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Basileus
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Posted - 2005.07.27 15:01:00 -
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Yes, they do indeed. I'll add it to my ever growing collection of free days.
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Guardian Alpha
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Posted - 2005.07.27 15:08:00 -
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Quote:
The rest of you, stop whining about money that wouldn't even buy you a glass of milk.
Hero award.
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Larno
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Posted - 2005.07.27 15:15:00 -
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For me at least, I do not care about getting back 50p or whatever it is... I just wish the petition que would be answered faster, and fairer.
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Turix
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Posted - 2005.07.27 15:25:00 -
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Oh ffs. Quit whining.
a) CCP owes you nothing, you agreed when you made your account that CCP holds no resposablily to pay out compensation for any circumstances, if you actually read that nice ToS document.
b) If they were going to pay out its all of lets see, 4ó each? Is that even worth posting a topic about. That and its still a good waste of Ç1200 which imo would be better spent on server upgrades.
c) You are not paying for expantions when you pay your monthly fee same goes for updates, your monthly feee pays for bandwidth usesage and disk storage on ccp server as well as gm and staff wages as the staff are needed to maintain the servers. If you were going to pay for expantions it would be Ç14 as usual plus Ç30 for the cost of developing these expantions, large scale updates such as exodus and cold war are essentially side projects by the developers using profits to improve the game.
The clear anything up for you whiners, please just shut up and let CCP do their job, imo posts like this should be locked before anyone has a chance to start asking stupid questions and getting even more stupid answers.
I dont want to get 4ó for a bit of downtime, id rather they put my 4ó towards a new server node fund or something like that.
Sorry had to get that off my chest reading topics like this annoys me 
-Turix
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Basileus
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Posted - 2005.07.27 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: Turix
Oh ffs. Quit whining.
a) CCP owes you nothing, you agreed when you made your account that CCP holds no resposablily to pay out compensation for any circumstances, if you actually read that nice ToS document.
b) If they were going to pay out its all of lets see, 4ó each? Is that even worth posting a topic about. That and its still a good waste of Ç1200 which imo would be better spent on server upgrades.
c) You are not paying for expantions when you pay your monthly fee same goes for updates, your monthly feee pays for bandwidth usesage and disk storage on ccp server as well as gm and staff wages as the staff are needed to maintain the servers. If you were going to pay for expantions it would be Ç14 as usual plus Ç30 for the cost of developing these expantions, large scale updates such as exodus and cold war are essentially side projects by the developers using profits to improve the game.
The clear anything up for you whiners, please just shut up and let CCP do their job, imo posts like this should be locked before anyone has a chance to start asking stupid questions and getting even more stupid answers.
I dont want to get 4ó for a bit of downtime, id rather they put my 4ó towards a new server node fund or something like that.
Sorry had to get that off my chest reading topics like this annoys me
-Turix
Oh, just STFU. Quit whining about whining.
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Hans Roaming
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Posted - 2005.07.27 15:37:00 -
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If I rememebr correctly in the past when there have been a lot of losses due to server problems etc CCP have basically resurected those same ships from the dead and given them back to the players. It might be worth doing that again, select a time period and resurrect all losses within that period.
Ok so the economy gets a little bit of deflationary pressure but it left a nice feeling in people and a lot were happy.
WTS: Male, 37, single, can fly starships, build rockets and dance Salsa.
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Olympa Matar
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Posted - 2005.07.27 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: Turix
Oh ffs. Quit whining.
-Turix
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.07.27 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: Basileus
Originally by: Turix
Oh ffs. Quit whining.
a) CCP owes you nothing, you agreed when you made your account that CCP holds no resposablily to pay out compensation for any circumstances, if you actually read that nice ToS document.
b) If they were going to pay out its all of lets see, 4ó each? Is that even worth posting a topic about. That and its still a good waste of Ç1200 which imo would be better spent on server upgrades.
c) You are not paying for expantions when you pay your monthly fee same goes for updates, your monthly feee pays for bandwidth usesage and disk storage on ccp server as well as gm and staff wages as the staff are needed to maintain the servers. If you were going to pay for expantions it would be Ç14 as usual plus Ç30 for the cost of developing these expantions, large scale updates such as exodus and cold war are essentially side projects by the developers using profits to improve the game.
The clear anything up for you whiners, please just shut up and let CCP do their job, imo posts like this should be locked before anyone has a chance to start asking stupid questions and getting even more stupid answers.
I dont want to get 4ó for a bit of downtime, id rather they put my 4ó towards a new server node fund or something like that.
Sorry had to get that off my chest reading topics like this annoys me
-Turix
Oh, just STFU. Quit whining about whining.
Whining about whining about whining.
We have a winner
(And this is an observation - not a whine )
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Demarcus
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Posted - 2005.07.27 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: infused
Originally by: Omber Zombie
Hey MarkX, how about you pay for the expansions (which you currently get for free) and then you may get your free day for the 2hours of lost gameplay.
I hate people who say this.
Just because they offer free expansions does not mean they don't need to compensate for server outages and downtime.
Your right the free expansions don't mean they don't have compensate you.
The fact that they tell you in the EULA that they don't have to compensate you is what means that they don't have to compensate you.
Reading comprehension 4tw.
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Demarcus
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Posted - 2005.07.27 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Icarus Starkiller
CCP needs to create some sort of 'fallback' skill slot you can select for instances when your character finishes another skill and you're not 'online' to select a new one. ESPECIALLY with the rampat server instability that has been occuring lately.
The only thing I would change is make it so that when the servers go down it reverts to that pre-selected skill and not just when one skill finishes.
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MarkX
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Posted - 2005.07.27 17:09:00 -
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Okay I think my thread has got a little out of hand hehe.
Eve Online is the best MMORPG I have ever played, I only quit the first time because my work schedule was so hectic I couldnt get any time on, literally at all. I came back when I saw Exodus, and even with the nerfbat on Cold War, I still love the game. The devs add challenges to keep the 2 year players or higher still active in the game, and thats nice to see.
As for the downtime and what I said earlier of 'oweing us a day' - I know they dont, I would just like some compensation. Im a miner, using retriver and Apoc, if I had a free day and say I mined from 9am - 5pm, only using 8 hrs of that free 24 hrs, I could make 15mil an hour. So a free day is good for something ;)
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