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MarkX	Posted - 2005.07.27 06:18:00 - [1] In all the other MMORPG's I have played, if a problem occurs with a server, downtime, or a queue has to be installed; the company offers each and every player 1 day free, automatically added to their account. This is nice, because it shows the company realizes they have paying customers and cant just keep apologizing when things go wrong... hint hint Besides the server crash for 2+ hours today, we have to wait for hours upon hours after patches, hotfixes, etc. You cannot do this when customers pay $17.95 a month (Canadian). Please do not delete this post, and respond.
SpaceDrake Storyteller	Posted - 2005.07.27 06:25:00 - [2] While CCP owes us nothing (it states in the EULA that downtime may occur at any time, and if you know anything about the MMOG business, you know server troubles from time to time are par for the course), I am starting to think a little bit of recompense for all the trouble would be a good "we do care" move. I've had no connection problems, but I know a lot of other folks are tearing their hair out. -------------- What good are actions if there's no one to tell the tale afterward? Player of the character "Lucca Deradi." Former player of "Andre Ricard."
GrendelPrime	Posted - 2005.07.27 06:29:00 - [3] So let me get this straight... you want 24 free hours, because you couldn't find anything else to do for "2+" hours??... k... Yeah server crashes suck... but then again so does coming to the fourms DEMANDING a free day for your 2 or so hours lost. CCP has given out free days in the past, and I'm sure they will do so again if the situation warrents it. Until then, go read a book or something, jeesh... "Though you may die, do not give up your honor" -- Miyamoto Musashi
poisoner orbius	Posted - 2005.07.27 06:43:00 - [4] Well loosing few hours of gameplay doesnt seem to be so bad but when your skill is just going to end and server crashes for 3 hours... then you really hate ccp. At least I do. "We apologise for any inconvenience." Buahahahahaha
Omber Zombie	Posted - 2005.07.27 06:50:00 - [5] Hey MarkX, how about you pay for the expansions (which you currently get for free) and then you may get your free day for the 2hours of lost gameplay. ----------- I have a blog
infused	Posted - 2005.07.27 07:04:00 - [6] Originally by: Omber Zombie Hey MarkX, how about you pay for the expansions (which you currently get for free) and then you may get your free day for the 2hours of lost gameplay. I hate people who say this. Just because they offer free expansions does not mean they don't need to compensate for server outages and downtime. [World Domination] [Patch 3366-3538: Mirror Here]
Blind Fear	Posted - 2005.07.27 07:14:00 - [7] They can keep their 40 cents if they can fix the ******* EVEmail.
w0rmy	Posted - 2005.07.27 07:14:00 - [8] Originally by: Omber Zombie Hey MarkX, how about you pay for the expansions (which you currently get for free) Sure, as soon as they work right.
Jherek Cornelian	Posted - 2005.07.27 07:16:00 - [9] what the hell is anyone going to do with 1 free day. 1 free week would make no difference to anyone either. If you decide to leave the game you are hardly going to wait until you've had your free day.
Jebidus Skari	Posted - 2005.07.27 07:20:00 - [10] Edited by: Jebidus Skari on 27/07/2005 08:09:31 Edited coz I don't play this game enough nowadays to care
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2005.07.27 07:26:00 - [11] Originally by: Jherek Cornelian what the hell is anyone going to do with 1 free day. 1 free week would make no difference to anyone either. If you decide to leave the game you are hardly going to wait until you've had your free day. Skills trained for a full day would be the way to go about this if anything. Myself I'm past being bothered.
fras	Posted - 2005.07.27 07:26:00 - [12] as i said before inanother post if they gave ya free days every time the servers went down/ couldnt play/rebooted whatever. youd be playing for free. you know how many times someone was not able to train a skill because the game wasnt running properly and lost maybe 8 or 9 hours because they had to leave . they generously from time to time credit time/a day. maybe they keep a little clock somwhere. every time something happens they click on the clock and when it gets to 24 hours worth we get a free day or they toos a coin who know. they would never say anyways
Fellhand	Posted - 2005.07.27 07:43:00 - [13] Free day is pushing it. CCP generally offer an apology if the server's are down for any length of time. It would be a nice goodwill gesture to reimburse lost in-game stuff when the server's go down unexpectedly though. _______________________________________________ There is no such thing as too much cynicism Flame me if you wish, I laugh with scorn at threats... Beware of geeks bearing gifs
Arcticblue2	Posted - 2005.07.27 08:48:00 - [14] Actually earlier they used to give free days when they had problems, but honestly they don't need to do so if they don't feel like it. Their Eula clearly states that.... and btw I don't think CCP should give that but if they do then thanks but atleast I managed to find something else to do while the servers where down.... ---------------------------------------------- "When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child: now that I am become a man, I have put away childish things." 1 cor. 13:11
Omber Zombie	Posted - 2005.07.27 08:51:00 - [15] Originally by: infused Just because they offer free expansions does not mean they don't need to compensate for server outages and downtime. I agree, but a 2hour outage does not mean a free day. What we have gained in free content and game upgrades far outweighs the loss of 2 hours of gameplay, or if you want to be pedantic, maybe 12hours all up of lost gameplay due to instability. ----------- I have a blog
Zaldiri	Posted - 2005.07.27 08:52:00 - [16] Edited by: Zaldiri on 27/07/2005 08:52:18 Great! for me eve has never been smoother than over the last few days (yes I'm very lucky ). And on top of this people want to give a free day too.
Fellhand	Posted - 2005.07.27 08:55:00 - [17] Last time I remember a real stability problem was shortly after the first big Exodus patch when the servers were crashing every ten minutes for a full day and a half. We actually did get a free day then. To be honest, the clause in teh EULA should be considered CCP covering their own backsides. No, they are not legally obligated to provide free days when there are massive problems but as a general industry standard and to avoid hacking off even loyal customers, they should (and generally do). On the other hand, an outage of a couple of hours is "go watch a movie" time, not a real problem. _______________________________________________ There is no such thing as too much cynicism Flame me if you wish, I laugh with scorn at threats... Beware of geeks bearing gifs
Vernichtungsengel	Posted - 2005.07.27 09:06:00 - [18] the only time i ever remember recieving a free day's play was because they prolly did 'owe' us it, back in early retail some ppl thought it would be a cool idea to manufacture isk :o, we had a server rollback of 24hrs meaning those ppl who had played that day and made alotta legit money (me, well my other account, trading the whole day) lost all their money that day and lost alot of RL time playing for a day without actually getting any 'benifit' from it, they may of been unable to play other days in the week also. but i have no problems loosing training time, game time, even if it has to be upto 24hrs for a complete fix, yes a little bit of warning woulda been useful however, i have lost days / weeks / months (in th case of my other account) of training time in the past because of RL problems. Vernichtungsengel - 'Angel Of Death'
Pagefault	Posted - 2005.07.27 09:09:00 - [19] Originally by: MarkX In all the other MMORPG's I have played, if a problem occurs with a server, downtime, or a queue has to be installed; the company offers each and every player 1 day free, automatically added to their account. This is nice, because it shows the company realizes they have paying customers and cant just keep apologizing when things go wrong... In any other mmorpg i payed for every single expansion. In eve i just set a long skilltraining and take a day or two off.
CHIKA QRE	Posted - 2005.07.27 09:11:00 - [20] I know a guy who got his 14 days free account and during that time he was stuck 3 times, expirienced downtimes for longer then several hours even on weekends. You think he will switch to a paying customer? CCP owes us nothing in legal way... but that is not the only way. It is one thing to adapt to missile changes and completely another thing to adapt to servers being down and char being stuck most of the time.
Atraxy	Posted - 2005.07.27 09:15:00 - [21] Its true CCP doesnt have to do anything of the sort and they can turn around and say hard luck. But then its also true that this blows from a customer relations point of view, if you add up all the hours that you have lost in total due to downtime server crashs getting stuck rollback, downtime taking longer than it should etc.. then it all adds up. I play a lot of MMORPG's and some companys do give back time lost (blizard for example) but there are a lot that dont.
Kuolematon	Posted - 2005.07.27 09:17:00 - [22] ... and this is why I play WoW _______________________________________________ My opinions aren't my corporations opinions. "I troll, therefor I am!" //\\ Suomi-Finland-Perkele asennetta!
Neon Genesis	Posted - 2005.07.27 09:53:00 - [23] Was there need to start a thread over a day? __ There, i just contributed nothing to your thread
Sobeseki Pawi	Posted - 2005.07.27 09:56:00 - [24] CCP credits accounts when there is undue outages lasting overlong. 2 hours down is by no means bad...now 12+... ~Sobe Captain Cutie, Razor's Kiss Combat Pilot and looking for a corp? Check AGSYN out here
Jebidus Skari	Posted - 2005.07.27 10:11:00 - [25] Originally by: Kuolematon ... and this is why I play WoW You must be playing a differant WoW World servers crash frequently, instances lag and crash (after an hour spent looking for a group ) The devs NEVER communicate to their playerbase and make catastrophic class decisions, introduce bugs that severely affect gameplay then leave them till the next monthly patch where they get replaced by differant ones.
W0lverine	Posted - 2005.07.27 10:16:00 - [26] Originally by: Omber Zombie Hey MarkX, how about you pay for the expansions (which you currently get for free) . ok here it goes again: you Pay Every month to play this game, so How can you call it free expansioN? get a clue dude
Astarte Nosferatu	Posted - 2005.07.27 10:22:00 - [27] I demand that CCP gives me a Tissue II BPO! And perhaps a C00k13 II BPO while they are handing out gifts to the whiners anyways. ------------------------------------------ Member of the [23] Follower of the Blood Revolution. Sani Sabik.
Keta Min	Posted - 2005.07.27 10:30:00 - [28] omg during those 2 hours i found out that this 'outside' people keep talking about is real!! it rocks you guys should try it! thank you CCP without that downtime i would have never known about it.
Tsavong Lah	Posted - 2005.07.27 10:31:00 - [29] Hmm, let's look at the choices: 1) CCP decide to give everyone a free day. No-one really notices much as the money comes out of their account automatically in 95% of cases. 2) CCP decides that the $30k they'd lose on giving a free day would be better spent calling in some IBM server architecture consultants and getting some more fault-detection equipment. *Tsavong Lah chooses number 2. Selling Bustards, Impels, Crystalline Carbonide. Contact me! Also, we're recruiting - Join OTO!
Omber Zombie	Posted - 2005.07.27 10:35:00 - [30] Originally by: W0lverine Originally by: Omber Zombie Hey MarkX, how about you pay for the expansions (which you currently get for free) . ok here it goes again: you Pay Every month to play this game, so How can you call it free expansioN? get a clue dude hahahahhahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahah ----------- I have a blog
W0lverine	Posted - 2005.07.27 10:39:00 - [31] Originally by: Omber Zombie Originally by: W0lverine Originally by: Omber Zombie Hey MarkX, how about you pay for the expansions (which you currently get for free) . ok here it goes again: you Pay Every month to play this game, so How can you call it free expansioN? get a clue dude hahahahhahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahah think something wrong with your keyboard, or you just sick and shaking like mad?
Omber Zombie	Posted - 2005.07.27 10:40:00 - [32] Originally by: W0lverine Originally by: Omber Zombie Originally by: W0lverine Originally by: Omber Zombie Hey MarkX, how about you pay for the expansions (which you currently get for free) . ok here it goes again: you Pay Every month to play this game, so How can you call it free expansioN? get a clue dude hahahahhahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahah think something wrong with your keyboard, or you just sick and shaking like mad? well, i went out and got a clue, but it reacted badly with my non-clue and well, that was the result. ----------- I have a blog
W0lverine	Posted - 2005.07.27 10:41:00 - [33] Originally by: Omber Zombie Originally by: W0lverine Originally by: Omber Zombie Originally by: W0lverine Originally by: Omber Zombie Hey MarkX, how about you pay for the expansions (which you currently get for free) . ok here it goes again: you Pay Every month to play this game, so How can you call it free expansioN? get a clue dude hahahahhahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahah think something wrong with your keyboard, or you just sick and shaking like mad? well, i went out and got a clue, but it reacted badly with my non-clue and well, that was the result. ah, yea that happens

Wrangler	Posted - 2005.07.27 10:42:00 - [34] Originally by: W0lverine Originally by: Omber Zombie Hey MarkX, how about you pay for the expansions (which you currently get for free) . ok here it goes again: you Pay Every month to play this game, so How can you call it free expansioN? get a clue dude I think he means that most games charge extra for their expansions, it's more or less becoming industry standard for MMOGs. Personally, I dislike it, I can understand it when they add loads of new content, but some games just give you the features they cut out before release. And some games even start using it as a system, like getting a expansion out every 6 months. I do think it can sometimes be warranted to release a expansion that you have to pay extra for, but in most cases it's just content and features that should be included in the monthly fee. [Read the Rules!] - [Email the Moderators]

Lufio II	Posted - 2005.07.27 10:43:00 - [35] Originally by: W0lverine Originally by: Omber Zombie Hey MarkX, how about you pay for the expansions (which you currently get for free) . ok here it goes again: you Pay Every month to play this game, so How can you call it free expansioN? get a clue dude In other games you pay the monthly fee and still have to pay an additional monthly fee or two to get access to the expansions content. So where is the clue now? MSSI Forums Provider of Prorator Blockade Runner Transport Ships in Domain
Seth Killbain	Posted - 2005.07.27 10:44:00 - [36] You pay for your expansions through your subscription, they are not free. Thy are added to KEEP you playing with new content etc. As to the original post, im not fussed either way but he does make a valid post, its a shame people have to tear it apart.
Omber Zombie	Posted - 2005.07.27 10:48:00 - [37] thanks wranglydoodly, at least someone understands where i am coming from /me starts beating up his new clue and forces it to ore thieve to supply his unholy army of roids with guns ----------- I have a blog
W0lverine	Posted - 2005.07.27 10:53:00 - [38] Originally by: Wrangler Originally by: W0lverine Originally by: Omber Zombie Hey MarkX, how about you pay for the expansions (which you currently get for free) . ok here it goes again: you Pay Every month to play this game, so How can you call it free expansioN? get a clue dude I think he means that most games charge extra for their expansions, it's more or less becoming industry standard for MMOGs. Personally, I dislike it, I can understand it when they add loads of new content, but some games just give you the features they cut out before release. And some games even start using it as a system, like getting a expansion out every 6 months. I do think it can sometimes be warranted to release a expansion that you have to pay extra for, but in most cases it's just content and features that should be included in the monthly fee. ic, but some MMOG's doesnt, well I'm glad that EVE doesnt charge for expansions(even tho some of them are pretty big) but maybe you pay less pr month in the games that charge for expansions?(dont know any my slef)
W0lverine	Posted - 2005.07.27 10:54:00 - [39] Originally by: Lufio II Originally by: W0lverine Originally by: Omber Zombie Hey MarkX, how about you pay for the expansions (which you currently get for free) . ok here it goes again: you Pay Every month to play this game, so How can you call it free expansioN? get a clue dude In other games you pay the monthly fee and still have to pay an additional monthly fee or two to get access to the expansions content. So where is the clue now? all the MMOG's I tried doenst charge for the expansion
W0lverine	Posted - 2005.07.27 10:54:00 - [40] Originally by: Omber Zombie thanks wranglydoodly, at least someone understands where i am coming from /me starts beating up his new clue and forces it to ore thieve to supply his unholy army of roids with guns poor clue
W0lverine	Posted - 2005.07.27 10:54:00 - [41] Originally by: Omber Zombie thanks wranglydoodly, at least someone understands where i am coming from /me starts beating up his new clue and forces it to ore thieve to supply his unholy army of roids with guns poor clue
W0lverine	Posted - 2005.07.27 10:55:00 - [42] btw, I disagree with original poster
Avon	Posted - 2005.07.27 10:56:00 - [43] Originally by: W0lverine all the MMOG's I tried doenst charge for the expansion Interesting. Most do. ______________________________________________ Pay or pray..er..prey..yeah, pray you aren't prey. Er, just pay.
W0lverine	Posted - 2005.07.27 10:56:00 - [44] Originally by: Avon Originally by: W0lverine all the MMOG's I tried doenst charge for the expansion Interesting. Most do. gues I was lucky
Avon	Posted - 2005.07.27 10:57:00 - [45] Originally by: W0lverine gues I was lucky Or didn't play any games which got expansions. Name them. ______________________________________________ Pay or pray..er..prey..yeah, pray you aren't prey. Er, just pay.
W0lverine	Posted - 2005.07.27 11:00:00 - [46] Originally by: Avon Originally by: W0lverine gues I was lucky Or didn't play any games which got expansions. Name them. ww2online and EVE non of them charge for expansions
Omber Zombie	Posted - 2005.07.27 11:04:00 - [47] Originally by: W0lverine Originally by: Avon Or didn't play any games which got expansions. Name them. ww2online and EVE non of them charge for expansions ahh circular logic 4tw \o/ ----------- I have a blog
Ryy Kishin	Posted - 2005.07.27 11:06:00 - [48] Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu I demand that CCP gives me a Tissue II BPO! And perhaps a C00k13 II BPO while they are handing out gifts to the whiners anyways. Here ya go Live Hard Die Young Leave A Good Looking Corpse There are no bugs in Eve only features.
Jebidus Skari	Posted - 2005.07.27 11:12:00 - [49] Planetside was the best, not only was it expensive per month but you had to pay extra for Core Combat which completely ruined the game It got a bit better since but I never went back....
EvilSyKOSkitzo	Posted - 2005.07.27 11:18:00 - [50] Originally by: MarkX In all the other MMORPG's I have played, if a problem occurs with a server, downtime, or a queue has to be installed; the company offers each and every player 1 day free, automatically added to their account. This is nice, because it shows the company realizes they have paying customers and cant just keep apologizing when things go wrong... hint hint Besides the server crash for 2+ hours today, we have to wait for hours upon hours after patches, hotfixes, etc. You cannot do this when customers pay $17.95 a month (Canadian). Please do not delete this post, and respond. Ok, I'am getting so annoyed with these kind of posts. If you don't like it then change to any of the other games out there. 1. Have server problems. 2. You PAY for every update to these server problems which they call "Expansions". 3. Give you an extra day so that you don't feel your ~$20 gets wasted. In my mind what CCP does is bloody awsome.. - I pay ~$19 AUD - Get "Massive" expansions and all updates for FREE!! - Get awsome staff like Oveur who I hear came in even on his holidays to help out with the problems - And.. Most importantly for that monthly fee I get a game which is always changing. Not only in content but also in the player environment. Seriously again.. to all those that think they are getting a sour deal. CHANGE TO A DIFFERENT GAME! Haha, try out Star Wars Galaxies I hear they just released a update. (Oh, hang on.. they have to pay for the expansion/bug fix.) - Evil
EvilSyKOSkitzo	Posted - 2005.07.27 11:23:00 - [51] Edited by: EvilSyKOSkitzo on 27/07/2005 11:24:54 Edited by: EvilSyKOSkitzo on 27/07/2005 11:24:01 Originally by: W0lverine Originally by: Lufio II Originally by: W0lverine Originally by: Omber Zombie Hey MarkX, how about you pay for the expansions (which you currently get for free) . ok here it goes again: you Pay Every month to play this game, so How can you call it free expansioN? get a clue dude In other games you pay the monthly fee and still have to pay an additional monthly fee or two to get access to the expansions content. So where is the clue now? all the MMOG's I tried doenst charge for the expansion Small question.. what games are those? Gives us a list. For me, - Ultima:Online - Everquest - Planetside - Star Wars Galaxies - Anarchy Online (These are the ones I remember off the top of my head) All had about the same subscription fees and all had a system where you paid for each expansion to the game. - Evil
R3dSh1ft	Posted - 2005.07.27 11:26:00 - [52] NO don't want useless extra 1 day credit its basically no money to all of us is it? 1/30th of the monthly sub... but to CCP is a SH*TLOAD of cash why bite the hand that FEEDS US? keep your morale up CCP, take the subs of one day and buy yourselfs a spa at the office then work on some nice new stuff for this game that we all LOVE so much yet whinge about (its just frustration that we can't play really) CCP 4TW! R3dSh1ft, Make it your own ®
W0lverine	Posted - 2005.07.27 11:26:00 - [53] Originally by: EvilSyKOSkitzo Edited by: EvilSyKOSkitzo on 27/07/2005 11:24:54 Edited by: EvilSyKOSkitzo on 27/07/2005 11:24:01 Originally by: W0lverine Originally by: Lufio II Originally by: W0lverine Originally by: Omber Zombie Hey MarkX, how about you pay for the expansions (which you currently get for free) . ok here it goes again: you Pay Every month to play this game, so How can you call it free expansioN? get a clue dude In other games you pay the monthly fee and still have to pay an additional monthly fee or two to get access to the expansions content. So where is the clue now? all the MMOG's I tried doenst charge for the expansion Small question.. what games are those? Gives us a list. For me, - Ultima:Online - Everquest - Planetside - Star Wars Galaxies - Anarchy Online (These are the ones I remember off the top of my head) All had about the same subscription fees and all had a system where you paid for each expansion to the game. - Evil I'v already posted it ones
Goberth Ludwig	Posted - 2005.07.27 11:32:00 - [54] OP get over it... - Gob (also known as Admiral Goberius)
Olympa Matar	Posted - 2005.07.27 11:45:00 - [55] Originally by: EvilSyKOSkitzo - I pay ~$19 AUD - Get "Massive" expansions and all updates for FREE!! The fact remains, CCP offers free download of the client as part of their marketing strat... they are not in a position to charge for any expansions (this has nothing to do with individual players willing to pay for it or not), to alter that strat would be Jenkism in the marketing world. The only free things in Eve, could be considered the charity work donated by the people helping the game out of interest (whether that consists of forum moderation or newbie helping etc.).
Tophereon	Posted - 2005.07.27 11:45:00 - [56] An extra day means nothing anyway.... unless you cancel your subscription you will never see the benefit! So quite whining! lol Toph. :)

Wrangler	Posted - 2005.07.27 11:48:00 - [57] "There's no such thing as a free meal" Nothing is ever free, someone somewhere always pays for it. [Read the Rules!] - [Email the Moderators]

Ikvar	Posted - 2005.07.27 11:54:00 - [58] CCP owes you a punch in the face. Consider any unscheduled downtime as paying for the FREE addons they pump out. Paid any extra for any of the new stuff they've ever added or any of the improvements they've made to the game? I think not. __________________
Blydchyld	Posted - 2005.07.27 11:58:00 - [59] Please stop the whine. If you dont like it go play WoW, also do me a favour give me your paypal details and i will give you the money out of my own pocket on one condition. 14.95e/31 =.48c charge per day (cpd) cpd/24 = .02c per hour charge (cph) cph x 2 = .04c OFC it would be less if you pay for block subs. I will pay you this fee for the 2 hours DT out of my own pocket, if you agree to not ever post regarding this subject again. ------------------------------------------------ I want you to be a fish.
EvilSyKOSkitzo	Posted - 2005.07.27 12:16:00 - [60] Edited by: EvilSyKOSkitzo on 27/07/2005 12:16:57 Originally by: W0lverine Originally by: EvilSyKOSkitzo Edited by: EvilSyKOSkitzo on 27/07/2005 11:24:54 Edited by: EvilSyKOSkitzo on 27/07/2005 11:24:01 Originally by: W0lverine Originally by: Lufio II Originally by: W0lverine Originally by: Omber Zombie Hey MarkX, how about you pay for the expansions (which you currently get for free) . ok here it goes again: you Pay Every month to play this game, so How can you call it free expansioN? get a clue dude In other games you pay the monthly fee and still have to pay an additional monthly fee or two to get access to the expansions content. So where is the clue now? all the MMOG's I tried doenst charge for the expansion Small question.. what games are those? Gives us a list. For me, - Ultima:Online - Everquest - Planetside - Star Wars Galaxies - Anarchy Online (These are the ones I remember off the top of my head) All had about the same subscription fees and all had a system where you paid for each expansion to the game. - Evil I'v already posted it ones Well could you please refer me to that list because I have missed it (Recently woke up.. hard to see). Thanks, - Evil
Icarus Starkiller	Posted - 2005.07.27 12:19:00 - [61] Bugger 1 free day - that just adjusts my billing date out by 24 hours, big deal IMO. What I want are the 14+ hours of lost skills for two of my characters. Before I go to work (12 hour shifts) I log on, change to short-skills while I am prepping for work, chat with corp members, ect... 10 minutes after I log on the two chars and begin 1.5 hour skills the server goes belly up. I cannot get back on before I have to leave for work... resulting in 14 hours of lost skill time for two accounts. THAT is what I want - I don't care about the 'free day' that I'll never even notice. CCP needs to create some sort of 'fallback' skill slot you can select for instances when your character finishes another skill and you're not 'online' to select a new one. ESPECIALLY with the rampat server instability that has been occuring lately. Life is pain...anyone who says differently is selling something.
Fitz Chivalry	Posted - 2005.07.27 12:20:00 - [62] Originally by: Blydchyld Please stop the whine. If you dont like it go play WoW, also do me a favour give me your paypal details and i will give you the money out of my own pocket on one condition. 14.95e/31 =.48c charge per day (cpd) cpd/24 = .02c per hour charge (cph) cph x 2 = .04c OFC it would be less if you pay for block subs. I will pay you this fee for the 2 hours DT out of my own pocket, if you agree to not ever post regarding this subject again. Its not really like that though, I sat down to play at around 8-ish UK time - server crashes shortly thereafter - (I go play GTA for a couple of hours anfer therapy so no big deal really) - it comes back on at around 11.15pm by which time I need to go to bed - so effectively I have lost one "days" worth of play on eve because like most people I can only play for a few hours a day - yeah bad luck that it happens just when I want to play but the server being down for those two hours was, in effect, the same as it being down all night for me. Still, even if we count it as a whole day it still only comes out at around 30p, but if you want to pay me that would be great - my paypal details are bill.gates@ well u can guess the rest
Leilani Solaris	Posted - 2005.07.27 12:22:00 - [63] Originally by: MarkX In all the other MMORPG's I have played, if a problem occurs with a server, downtime, or a queue has to be installed; the company offers each and every player 1 day free, automatically added to their account. This is nice, because it shows the company realizes they have paying customers and cant just keep apologizing when things go wrong... hint hint Besides the server crash for 2+ hours today, we have to wait for hours upon hours after patches, hotfixes, etc. You cannot do this when customers pay $17.95 a month (Canadian). Please do not delete this post, and respond. go play WoW. ----------------------------------------------- http://www.ig.eve-fix.com/kb/pilot_detail.php?plt_id=2714
Sicori Malaki	Posted - 2005.07.27 12:25:00 - [64] b· ******* h·, call the whambulance I want my 0.5Ç back I cant even buy a freckin coke for that, EvE doesnt need whiners like the OP and you should just honestly go play some other MMO if you cant stand not being able to play for few hours. you do know that it's the summer, and more than half of the CCP staff are on summer vacation? and oh if you didn't know, then CCP has refunded 0.5Ç on at least 2 occations I can remember just on this year, and I doubt they'll bother to do it now, not because they think it's not worth it, but because some players are greedy and demand it, if you would just have shut your mouth and waited there had been a sliiight chance that CCP would have maybe added a day to our accounts. ______________ Only in the Tales that humans tell, do the hunters kill the wolf in the end.
Sicori Malaki	Posted - 2005.07.27 12:32:00 - [65] and just wanted to add that CCP in my opinion has the best and strongest relationship with it's playerbase than any other MMO making corp I can think of, i.e. in not many other MMO's (that I can think of) do you get as much information about what is happening, planned or anything else about the game as CCP is doing with eve for the moment. GO CCP ! ______________ Only in the Tales that humans tell, do the hunters kill the wolf in the end.
Malken	Posted - 2005.07.27 12:36:00 - [66] the problem is now the petitions for shiplosses due to lag and crashes that i assume got wiped in their cleaning of the petition que. does this mean we will see a general reimbursement for a certain period? as we know that they will not be able to verify any of the losses in their logs after a week or so. and since they cant verify it you will get a canned responce to any such petition unless they do a general reimbursement for over a certain period.
Kingpenn	Posted - 2005.07.27 12:39:00 - [67] ...and free pony rides!
Raem Civrie	Posted - 2005.07.27 12:56:00 - [68] WoW is currently undergoing horrible server problems. My old server (dethecus on US) hasn't been properly up for days. And you cry about a couple of hours in EVE? There are people in this thread that I hope will drown in their own vomit.
AmaZulu	Posted - 2005.07.27 12:57:00 - [69] Originally by: MarkX In all the other MMORPG's I have played, if a problem occurs with a server, downtime, or a queue has to be installed; the company offers each and every player 1 day free, automatically added to their account. This is nice, because it shows the company realizes they have paying customers and cant just keep apologizing when things go wrong... hint hint Besides the server crash for 2+ hours today, we have to wait for hours upon hours after patches, hotfixes, etc. You cannot do this when customers pay $17.95 a month (Canadian). Please do not delete this post, and respond. More Whine with the cheese? STOP WHINING! These things happen!
Winterblink	Posted - 2005.07.27 13:03:00 - [70] I got to thinking about this, after reading the thread starter. I can't think of any occasion with all of the MMOs I've played, when a couple of hours of downtime has resulted in anything other than a "whoopsie!" post from a community manager type. That aside, lets do the math. From the OP, he pays $17.95/mo. Assuming 30 days: $17.95/30 = $0.60/day (rounded up) $0.60/24 = $0.0249/hour $0.0249*3 = $0.08 (rounded) So assuming the server was down for 3 hours solid yesterday (I think the number was a bit lower than that, but lets just assume...), then the original poster is asking for a free month for three hours of downtime, which actually cost him 8 cents (Canadian, no less). And that's assuming he plays non-stop for the whole month to maximize his $17.95. Oops. Did I shine too bright a light on the ridiculousness of this thread? ___winterblink/warp_drive_active/eve_nature_vraie//
Frost Killer	Posted - 2005.07.27 13:09:00 - [71] As said CCP doesn't owe us anything, but it would be nice if they put a message up saying what the issue is. Anyways CCP seems to give days out with extended downtimes 8+ hours, or when it hits between 12-18 hours of downtime since the last time they handed it out. They do a great job I think and truely the servers aren't down all that often. Just this last patch some bad code got in that was only found on this server due to different loads and evenviroment. Its a MMO, most companies have issues expecially program ones, live with it. --------------------------------------------------- Ummm ya....
Zac Paris	Posted - 2005.07.27 13:13:00 - [72] Originally by: Winterblink I got to thinking about this, after reading the thread starter. I can't think of any occasion with all of the MMOs I've played, when a couple of hours of downtime has resulted in anything other than a "whoopsie!" post from a community manager type. That aside, lets do the math. From the OP, he pays $17.95/mo. Assuming 30 days: $17.95/30 = $0.60/day (rounded up) $0.60/24 = $0.0249/hour $0.0249*3 = $0.08 (rounded) So assuming the server was down for 3 hours solid yesterday (I think the number was a bit lower than that, but lets just assume...), then the original poster is asking for a free month for three hours of downtime, which actually cost him 8 cents (Canadian, no less). And that's assuming he plays non-stop for the whole month to maximize his $17.95. Oops. Did I shine too bright a light on the ridiculousness of this thread? Yeah but it's not just 3 hours is it. Lately whenever I go into loc sec space or do any travelling, the thought "now am I going to get stuck in this system, or will the server die again" has started to enter the depths of my head, and that isn't a good thing. I don't expect any compensation or freebies, but a little stability would be nice.
Autumnleaves	Posted - 2005.07.27 13:31:00 - [73] Originally by: Omber Zombie Hey MarkX, how about you pay for the expansions (which you currently get for free) and then you may get your free day for the 2hours of lost gameplay. As many people have stated, repeatedly, the new patch did NOT add as much entertainment value to there game play as it removed via missle nurf & highway removal so and I for would would have loved the opportunity to give ccp the 1 finger salute, not get the expansion and KEEP my missles ( and more importanly for me at this point the NPC missles so defenders worked ) the way they were and the highways the way they were and NOT have access to dreads and freighters I will not in a year of training fly let alone be able to buy. Secondly, the monthly subscription includes costs for R&D and patches built into it, so I DID pay for the expansion.
AmaZulu	Posted - 2005.07.27 13:38:00 - [74] Originally by: Autumnleaves Originally by: Omber Zombie Hey MarkX, how about you pay for the expansions (which you currently get for free) and then you may get your free day for the 2hours of lost gameplay. As many people have stated, repeatedly, the new patch did NOT add as much entertainment value to there game play as it removed via missle nurf & highway removal so and I for would would have loved the opportunity to give ccp the 1 finger salute, not get the expansion and KEEP my missles ( and more importanly for me at this point the NPC missles so defenders worked ) the way they were and the highways the way they were and NOT have access to dreads and freighters I will not in a year of training fly let alone be able to buy. Secondly, the monthly subscription includes costs for R&D and patches built into it, so I DID pay for the expansion. My head hurts from all this WHINING!
Winterblink	Posted - 2005.07.27 13:41:00 - [75] Originally by: Autumnleaves As many people have stated, repeatedly, the new patch did NOT add as much entertainment value to there game play as it removed via missle nurf & highway removal That's because it was a patch, and not an expansion. ___winterblink/warp_drive_active/eve_nature_vraie//
Kresh Vladir	Posted - 2005.07.27 14:08:00 - [76] they alrdy gave us a day free for when they released the ew patch ( cant remember what it was called ) cus the server would litterly crash every 20mins for about 12hrs and w/ the unsceduled d/t's they have been giving us i still thing weve gotten 3-4 hrs free We dont just Mine
ErrorS	Posted - 2005.07.27 14:22:00 - [77] Edited by: ErrorS on 27/07/2005 14:23:35 Edited by: ErrorS on 27/07/2005 14:22:29 Originally by: Kuolematon ... and this is why I play WoW http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-realm-status&t=1803&p=1&tmp=1#post1803 edit: err.. they're giving one free day. Still, WoW is just as unstable as Eve Online ________ I'm strict Caldari "The grass is always greener on the other side" - Maybe they're not as uber as you think? -ErrorS
Olympa Matar	Posted - 2005.07.27 14:31:00 - [78] Originally by: AmaZulu My head hurts from all this WHINING! On the bright side... it takes your focus off the lobotomy itch.
Jubeli	Posted - 2005.07.27 14:33:00 - [79] Someone wanted 14 hours of skillpoints? Yeah that is what.. 1 %% of a year? My god you will miss that. And CCP did give us a free day about a year ago also when they had problems like this, but far worse with noded going down for 3-4 hours and several days during a few weeks. That was a grand gesture. CCP - you can have my days. It is after patch and all the smart ones keep long term training on now until you say "we are back on track" The rest of you, stop whining about money that wouldn't even buy you a glass of milk. -
Basileus	Posted - 2005.07.27 15:01:00 - [80] Yes, they do indeed. I'll add it to my ever growing collection of free days.
Guardian Alpha	Posted - 2005.07.27 15:08:00 - [81] Quote: The rest of you, stop whining about money that wouldn't even buy you a glass of milk. Hero award. ------------
Larno	Posted - 2005.07.27 15:15:00 - [82] For me at least, I do not care about getting back 50p or whatever it is... I just wish the petition que would be answered faster, and fairer.
Turix	Posted - 2005.07.27 15:25:00 - [83] Oh ffs. Quit whining. a) CCP owes you nothing, you agreed when you made your account that CCP holds no resposablily to pay out compensation for any circumstances, if you actually read that nice ToS document. b) If they were going to pay out its all of lets see, 4ó each? Is that even worth posting a topic about. That and its still a good waste of Ç1200 which imo would be better spent on server upgrades. c) You are not paying for expantions when you pay your monthly fee same goes for updates, your monthly feee pays for bandwidth usesage and disk storage on ccp server as well as gm and staff wages as the staff are needed to maintain the servers. If you were going to pay for expantions it would be Ç14 as usual plus Ç30 for the cost of developing these expantions, large scale updates such as exodus and cold war are essentially side projects by the developers using profits to improve the game. The clear anything up for you whiners, please just shut up and let CCP do their job, imo posts like this should be locked before anyone has a chance to start asking stupid questions and getting even more stupid answers. I dont want to get 4ó for a bit of downtime, id rather they put my 4ó towards a new server node fund or something like that. Sorry had to get that off my chest reading topics like this annoys me -Turix
Basileus	Posted - 2005.07.27 15:31:00 - [84] Originally by: Turix Oh ffs. Quit whining. a) CCP owes you nothing, you agreed when you made your account that CCP holds no resposablily to pay out compensation for any circumstances, if you actually read that nice ToS document. b) If they were going to pay out its all of lets see, 4ó each? Is that even worth posting a topic about. That and its still a good waste of Ç1200 which imo would be better spent on server upgrades. c) You are not paying for expantions when you pay your monthly fee same goes for updates, your monthly feee pays for bandwidth usesage and disk storage on ccp server as well as gm and staff wages as the staff are needed to maintain the servers. If you were going to pay for expantions it would be Ç14 as usual plus Ç30 for the cost of developing these expantions, large scale updates such as exodus and cold war are essentially side projects by the developers using profits to improve the game. The clear anything up for you whiners, please just shut up and let CCP do their job, imo posts like this should be locked before anyone has a chance to start asking stupid questions and getting even more stupid answers. I dont want to get 4ó for a bit of downtime, id rather they put my 4ó towards a new server node fund or something like that. Sorry had to get that off my chest reading topics like this annoys me -Turix Oh, just STFU. Quit whining about whining.
Hans Roaming	Posted - 2005.07.27 15:37:00 - [85] If I rememebr correctly in the past when there have been a lot of losses due to server problems etc CCP have basically resurected those same ships from the dead and given them back to the players. It might be worth doing that again, select a time period and resurrect all losses within that period. Ok so the economy gets a little bit of deflationary pressure but it left a nice feeling in people and a lot were happy. WTS: Male, 37, single, can fly starships, build rockets and dance Salsa. WTB: Female, plays eve, lives near London UK
Olympa Matar	Posted - 2005.07.27 15:38:00 - [86] Originally by: Turix Oh ffs. Quit whining. -Turix Cry more noob
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2005.07.27 15:52:00 - [87] Originally by: Basileus Originally by: Turix Oh ffs. Quit whining. a) CCP owes you nothing, you agreed when you made your account that CCP holds no resposablily to pay out compensation for any circumstances, if you actually read that nice ToS document. b) If they were going to pay out its all of lets see, 4ó each? Is that even worth posting a topic about. That and its still a good waste of Ç1200 which imo would be better spent on server upgrades. c) You are not paying for expantions when you pay your monthly fee same goes for updates, your monthly feee pays for bandwidth usesage and disk storage on ccp server as well as gm and staff wages as the staff are needed to maintain the servers. If you were going to pay for expantions it would be Ç14 as usual plus Ç30 for the cost of developing these expantions, large scale updates such as exodus and cold war are essentially side projects by the developers using profits to improve the game. The clear anything up for you whiners, please just shut up and let CCP do their job, imo posts like this should be locked before anyone has a chance to start asking stupid questions and getting even more stupid answers. I dont want to get 4ó for a bit of downtime, id rather they put my 4ó towards a new server node fund or something like that. Sorry had to get that off my chest reading topics like this annoys me -Turix Oh, just STFU. Quit whining about whining. Whining about whining about whining. We have a winner (And this is an observation - not a whine)
Demarcus	Posted - 2005.07.27 16:56:00 - [88] Originally by: infused Originally by: Omber Zombie Hey MarkX, how about you pay for the expansions (which you currently get for free) and then you may get your free day for the 2hours of lost gameplay. I hate people who say this. Just because they offer free expansions does not mean they don't need to compensate for server outages and downtime. Your right the free expansions don't mean they don't have compensate you. The fact that they tell you in the EULA that they don't have to compensate you is what means that they don't have to compensate you. Reading comprehension 4tw. ------------------------------------- You are all worthless, and weak.
Demarcus	Posted - 2005.07.27 17:01:00 - [89] Originally by: Icarus Starkiller CCP needs to create some sort of 'fallback' skill slot you can select for instances when your character finishes another skill and you're not 'online' to select a new one. ESPECIALLY with the rampat server instability that has been occuring lately. The only thing I would change is make it so that when the servers go down it reverts to that pre-selected skill and not just when one skill finishes. ------------------------------------- You are all worthless, and weak.
MarkX	Posted - 2005.07.27 17:09:00 - [90] Okay I think my thread has got a little out of hand hehe. Eve Online is the best MMORPG I have ever played, I only quit the first time because my work schedule was so hectic I couldnt get any time on, literally at all. I came back when I saw Exodus, and even with the nerfbat on Cold War, I still love the game. The devs add challenges to keep the 2 year players or higher still active in the game, and thats nice to see. As for the downtime and what I said earlier of 'oweing us a day' - I know they dont, I would just like some compensation. Im a miner, using retriver and Apoc, if I had a free day and say I mined from 9am - 5pm, only using 8 hrs of that free 24 hrs, I could make 15mil an hour. So a free day is good for something ;)
flummox	Posted - 2005.07.27 17:29:00 - [91] i'll just take some cheese... ... bring me my cheese...
CalvinHobbes	Posted - 2005.07.27 17:32:00 - [92] I think most of you have missed the point of the message which is this: The individual issues are not much by themselves, 2 hours out here and htere, longer DT, patches, stuck, changes etc. However, when you COMBINE all the issues over the last few months they add up to a lot of greif and annoyance. Markx was trying to point out that for the multitude of issues players have experienced over the last while, CCP should consider some kind of compensation. An added day makes no difference to their cash flow at all. If you went going to renew, then you still did and got one day more. If you didn't renew, then the extra day means nothing either. - Calvin
Gariuys	Posted - 2005.07.27 18:32:00 - [93] 60.000 accounts, and a day for 1 player is what? 0.40 euro or something along those lines. But for CCP to give you that 0.40 euro, it costs them 24000 euros. So saying it doesn't matter does hold true for us, but not for CCP. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Blydchyld	Posted - 2005.07.28 16:32:00 - [94] Eris, sorry but it has to be done. Rabble, Rabble, Rabble, Rabble, Rabble, Rabble, Rabble, Rabble, Rabble, Rabble, Rabble, Rabble, Rabble, Rabble. omghi2u and tyvm. ------------------------------------------------ I want you to be a fish.

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