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BoSau Hotim Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated 4812	Posted - 2013.02.20 09:33:00 - [1] - Quote Honestly? I wish CCP would stop nerfing ships. Only buff those that need buffing to balance out. Two powergrid nerfs and now a high slot is gone? WTH???? I am now wearing a black armband in memory of a ship that was once the ship that the Dread Pirate Roberts would have sailed... It's been INCONCEIVABLE!!! GLOMP with your AltGäó-á
Danny John-Peter New Eden Renegades Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns 191	Posted - 2013.02.20 09:56:00 - [2] - Quote Hurricane is still good. Its just not OP now. Can I have your stuff. Etc.
feihcsiM Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 158	Posted - 2013.02.20 09:58:00 - [3] - Quote OH NOES MY WELPFLEETZ It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine.
Naomi Anthar No Tax So Relax. 45	Posted - 2013.02.20 10:29:00 - [4] - Quote BoSau Hotim wrote: Honestly? I wish CCP would stop nerfing ships. Only buff those that need buffing to balance out. Two powergrid nerfs and now a high slot is gone? WTH???? I am now wearing a black armband in memory of a ship that was once the ship that the Dread Pirate Roberts would have sailed... It's been INCONCEIVABLE!!! Can you cry more ? Please ? I'm serious ! So enjoyable ! There are 2 diffrent types of crybabies - one type is right and the others are wrong. Both cry. And i'm afraid not only you cry but also belong to 2nd group. I was hoping for more sever nerfs. But i guess thats better than nothing.
goldiiee Tax and War Haven 211	Posted - 2013.02.20 11:07:00 - [5] - Quote As the NerfHammer is making its way up through Frigs to Cruiser then Battlecruisers you can elicit some comfort in knowing that though your beloved ship in not capable of carrying two nuets the target rich environment of Frigs and Cruisers are essentially easier to kill as they have also lost PG, Turrets, .... Reason and logic never wins over Stubborn and Convinced-á (But-áI still try..)
Kenneth O'Hara 11417	Posted - 2013.02.20 15:37:00 - [6] - Quote BoSau Hotim wrote: Honestly? I wish CCP would stop nerfing ships. Only buff those that need buffing to balance out. Two powergrid nerfs and now a high slot is gone? WTH???? I am now wearing a black armband in memory of a ship that was once the ship that the Dread Pirate Roberts would have sailed... It's been INCONCEIVABLE!!! This is a legit complaint. I had to almost max out all powergrid skills and AWU to 4 before I can even do a few decent fits. I was usually off by a ridiculous small amounts to like 15 to 20 pg. This isn't even using neuts. The removal of a high slot was just an insult. Just 50 - 75 more powergrid would be fine so I can at least do tech 2 guns. I still can't do neuts and limited by one less high slot so it balances out. Stick around. I'm full of bad ideas. ~Isaac Clarke Bait with your altGäó Bacon with your mainGäó
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 1158	Posted - 2013.02.20 15:44:00 - [7] - Quote Naomi Anthar wrote: BoSau Hotim wrote: Honestly? I wish CCP would stop nerfing ships. Only buff those that need buffing to balance out. Two powergrid nerfs and now a high slot is gone? WTH???? I am now wearing a black armband in memory of a ship that was once the ship that the Dread Pirate Roberts would have sailed... It's been INCONCEIVABLE!!! Can you cry more ? Please ? I'm serious ! So enjoyable ! There are 2 diffrent types of crybabies - one type is right and the others are wrong. Both cry. And i'm afraid not only you cry but also belong to 2nd group. I was hoping for more sever nerfs. But i guess thats better than nothing. Oh the irony of seeing Naomi trying to school a crybaby is priceless.
Hakaimono Stillwater Corporation 47	Posted - 2013.02.20 16:29:00 - [8] - Quote If we kept buffing everything, there would be no fun or challenge in pve. NPCs would need some sort of AI buff.....oh wait!
Zarnak Wulf In Exile. 1045	Posted - 2013.02.20 16:35:00 - [9] - Quote I can fly everything in the BC category and I sold my only Hurricane yesterday. I really don't care as I'm pushing 109m SP and am proficient in just about every weapon system. But they did nerf the cane's PG too much. There is no reason to fly it with so many better choices available. My Harb can fit the largest tier guns and a 1600mm plate. It sends more DPS farther with more EHP AND it now has a larger drone bay.
Rezig Huruta Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance 121	Posted - 2013.02.20 17:23:00 - [10] - Quote Zarnak Wulf wrote: I can fly everything in the BC category and I sold my only Hurricane yesterday. I really don't care as I'm pushing 109m SP and am proficient in just about every weapon system. But they did nerf the cane's PG too much. There is no reason to fly it with so many better choices available. My Harb can fit the largest tier guns and a 1600mm plate. It sends more DPS farther with more EHP AND it now has a larger drone bay. The problem with "so many better choices available" is that many players are skilled in certain areas. Flying a medium blaster ship might not be a viable alternative. I'm neither arguing for or against any particular nerf, however, it is important to take the entire situation into consideration for ALL pilots, not just what you are able to fly. You can fly everything in the BC category, but not everyone can. What it amounts to, is removing the ONLY option some people had.
Speedkermit Damo Callide Vulpis Curatores Veritatis Alliance 31	Posted - 2013.02.20 17:41:00 - [11] - Quote I get more DPS from my Cyclone than my hurricanes now. I'm not complaining though, except perhaps the expense of refitting the Cyclone. Don't Panic.
Gabriel Karade Noir. Black Legion. 30	Posted - 2013.02.20 18:33:00 - [12] - Quote BC are right where they should be now, and the Hurricane is just fine. Gallente MkII: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1227770 War Machine: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=386293
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 1393	Posted - 2013.02.20 18:34:00 - [13] - Quote BoSau Hotim wrote: Honestly? I wish CCP would stop nerfing ships. Only buff those that need buffing to balance out. Two powergrid nerfs and now a high slot is gone? WTH???? I am now wearing a black armband in memory of a ship that was once the ship that the Dread Pirate Roberts would have sailed... It's been INCONCEIVABLE!!! It is true, they should change the name from "Hurricane" to "Mildly irritating Tropical Storm that probably won't even make landfall anyway"!
Mister Tuggles Prime Numbers 32	Posted - 2013.02.20 19:22:00 - [14] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: It is true, they should change the name from "Hurricane" to "Mildly irritating Tropical Storm that probably won't even make landfall anyway"! This gave me a good chuckle. Thank you.
Tsai Ashitaka Aether Ventures Surely You're Joking 10	Posted - 2013.02.20 19:25:00 - [15] - Quote Minmatar crybaby tears are so delicious... The hurricane went from "hands down above average at EVERYTHING" to "pretty good", in line with the other battlecruisers. Being able to easily fit the largest guns AND two neuts on a shield OR armor tanked ship was a little game breaking. And don't throw the stat about "Hurr durr the drake is the most used ship." That's due to fleet doctrine, not performance. Drake has a stout tank, so you don't instantly die when you're primaried. It makes sense that big null fleets would want to use it. If I'm in a small gang, I'd fly the old cane over ANY other BC. Now, at least, I have options.
Kenneth O'Hara 11433	Posted - 2013.02.20 19:41:00 - [16] - Quote Tsai Ashitaka wrote: Minmatar crybaby tears are so delicious... The hurricane went from "hands down above average at EVERYTHING" to "pretty good", in line with the other battlecruisers. Being able to easily fit the largest guns AND two neuts on a shield OR armor tanked ship was a little game breaking. And don't throw the stat about "Hurr durr the drake is the most used ship." That's due to fleet doctrine, not performance. Drake has a stout tank, so you don't instantly die when you're primaried. It makes sense that big null fleets would want to use it. If I'm in a small gang, I'd fly the old cane over ANY other BC. Now, at least, I have options. Now with the PG nerfs, you can't even do tech 2 guns with a decent armor fit. I agree that it needed a nerf but to the point where you can't do a decent armor fit? 400 pg was taken off the pg. That's about 50 or 75 too much to be taken away. Stick around. I'm full of bad ideas. ~Isaac Clarke Bait with your altGäó Bacon with your mainGäó
Solomar Espersei Quality Assurance The Marmite Collective 349	Posted - 2013.02.20 19:47:00 - [17] - Quote I don't know, I'm looking at 690 something DPS (hail) with a tank of 56K though a bit slow at 1041 m/s on a 220AC fit w/ armor tank. I'd agree that the Harbi is probably a better choice, but if you want the damage selection of ACs, it still seems pretty good to me. Nerfed yeah, but still quite dangerous. Quality Assurance
Eugene Kerner TunDraGon 603	Posted - 2013.02.20 21:20:00 - [18] - Quote Medium Ancilary Current Router "Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
Kenneth O'Hara 11442	Posted - 2013.02.20 21:26:00 - [19] - Quote Eugene Kerner wrote: Medium Ancilary Current Router 3 already in use... Stick around. I'm full of bad ideas. ~Isaac Clarke Bait with your altGäó Bacon with your mainGäó
Anachronic Abacus Industries Group Aerodyne Collective 95	Posted - 2013.02.20 21:44:00 - [20] - Quote Kenneth O'Hara wrote: Eugene Kerner wrote: Medium Ancilary Current Router 3 already in use... Doing it wrong... It's called trade offs...the Cane is fine.
Kasutra Tailor Company Hashashin Cartel 147	Posted - 2013.02.20 22:21:00 - [21] - Quote I have to consider PG even when fitting ACs now. This confuses and angers me.
Gabriel Karade Noir. Black Legion. 31	Posted - 2013.02.20 23:04:00 - [22] - Quote Kenneth O'Hara wrote: Tsai Ashitaka wrote: Minmatar crybaby tears are so delicious... The hurricane went from "hands down above average at EVERYTHING" to "pretty good", in line with the other battlecruisers. Being able to easily fit the largest guns AND two neuts on a shield OR armor tanked ship was a little game breaking. And don't throw the stat about "Hurr durr the drake is the most used ship." That's due to fleet doctrine, not performance. Drake has a stout tank, so you don't instantly die when you're primaried. It makes sense that big null fleets would want to use it. If I'm in a small gang, I'd fly the old cane over ANY other BC. Now, at least, I have options. Now with the PG nerfs, you can't even do tech 2 guns with a decent armor fit. I agree that it needed a nerf but to the point where you can't do a decent armor fit? 400 pg was taken off the pg. That's about 50 or 75 too much to be taken away. Dual 180 II's, 10mn MWD, 1600mm plate and a meta 4 medium neut all fit with exactly 106 pg spare. You really are doing it very wrong if you have 3x ancillary current routers fitted... Gallente MkII: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1227770 War Machine: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=386293
Eugene Kerner TunDraGon 603	Posted - 2013.02.20 23:05:00 - [23] - Quote Kenneth O'Hara wrote: Eugene Kerner wrote: Medium Ancilary Current Router 3 already in use... You just need one....that means if you want to fit a standard armor cane "Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
Ginger Barbarella Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1160	Posted - 2013.02.21 00:17:00 - [24] - Quote BoSau Hotim wrote: Honestly? I wish CCP would stop nerfing ships. Only buff those that need buffing to balance out. Two powergrid nerfs and now a high slot is gone? WTH???? I am now wearing a black armband in memory of a ship that was once the ship that the Dread Pirate Roberts would have sailed... It's been INCONCEIVABLE!!! Insert obligatory "lrn2eve" here "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." -á --- Sorlac
Katran Luftschreck Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps 959	Posted - 2013.02.21 07:20:00 - [25] - Quote Once again, bitter drone user laughing at prophesied "You get yours next" coming true for all the people who told us all to "HTFU" last patch. EvE Forum Bingo
Sigras Conglomo IMPERIAL LEGI0N 370	Posted - 2013.02.21 07:47:00 - [26] - Quote why are people complaining about the hurrucane? Its still the fastest Combat BC slightly edging out the active tanked brutix and way faster than anything else . This means that it never has to commit to any fight ever; if another BC does something it doesnt like, it just leaves; try that with a brutix where youre basically always in scramble range meaning that you cant even leave if things dont go your way. Having the best speed and range basically means that you should be the worst in basically every other way; I think people severely underestimate the ability to run away if things get bad. I have a hurricane that runs 425s an energy neut, two shield extenders and a MWD, if your skills lack a bit, go for a single extender and EM hardener. The hurricane is still one of the better battlecruisers IMHO and if you disagree try flying a ferox or a brutix.
Seolfor Caldari Provisions Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.02.21 08:00:00 - [27] - Quote Quote: Dual 180 II's, 10mn MWD, 1600mm plate and a meta 4 medium neut all fit with exactly 106 pg spare. You really are doing it very wrong if you have 3x ancillary current routers fitted... 3 Anci Rigs is dumb, but a brawl cane with this fit or even 220s and a single Med Neut, 1 Anci Rig.. bwahaha. What do you exactly plan to brawl, please do share. With a single med neut, youre not gonna cap out any competently fit BC - HAM Drakes, Plated Harby, Repping Myrms or Brutixes, Neut or HAM Proph or even a HAM Cyclone with XL-ASB. Whom can an Armor Cane reliably break? With a single med neut, you can no longer 1 v/s X Cruisers, which most current Brawl BCs will easily manage. Any 2 of Mallers, Moa, Thorax, MedBlaster Vexors, Ruptures, competently brawl fit will tear the current Cane a new one. Stop looking at the Cane in isolation. Relatively, to other BCs, its fraked. - Cant brawl, period. - Cant kite AS WELL AS the other BCs: Sure, its faster, with inferior gank and tank AND projection, grats you can run away - Sure, Arty Fits enjoy their 3-4k Alpha niche, that's about it - Damage selection makes the dps even lower So what you gonna use your armor cane for? Frig killing? Might as well stick with the SFI, does it way better. Quote: Having the best speed and range basically Wat? Better range than who? Blaster BCs? Cause the Harbinger and Drake are far better at damage projection than the Cane. All that speed, yes, you can run away.
Super spikinator Hegemonous Conscripts Hegemonous Pandorum 94	Posted - 2013.02.21 08:17:00 - [28] - Quote Kenneth O'Hara wrote: Eugene Kerner wrote: Medium Ancilary Current Router 3 already in use... what are you trying to fit... EDIT: also, what toolset are you using?
BoSau Hotim Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated 4815	Posted - 2013.02.21 08:35:00 - [29] - Quote Naomi Anthar wrote: BoSau Hotim wrote: Honestly? I wish CCP would stop nerfing ships. Only buff those that need buffing to balance out. Two powergrid nerfs and now a high slot is gone? WTH???? I am now wearing a black armband in memory of a ship that was once the ship that the Dread Pirate Roberts would have sailed... It's been INCONCEIVABLE!!! Can you cry more ? Please ? I'm serious ! So enjoyable ! There are 2 diffrent types of crybabies - one type is right and the others are wrong. Both cry. And i'm afraid not only you cry but also belong to 2nd group. I was hoping for more sever nerfs. But i guess thats better than nothing. Lol.. if you think this is crying your pretty slow. No wonder you only have 51 likes to your name. What I say is a simple statement with some humor to it.. you must not be able to read very well. I am also suggesting to CCP not to nerf what is already good, but to buff the other ships instead to make for some epic battles. It is a legit suggestion. If you are here on the boards to troll and torch people you might want to actually say something that is new with some actual thought behind it.... and grow up a little. I prefer mature or truly funny people to chat with. GLOMP with your AltGäó-á
Sigras Conglomo IMPERIAL LEGI0N 370	Posted - 2013.02.21 08:49:00 - [30] - Quote Seolfor wrote: Sigras wrote: Having the best speed and range basically Wat? Better range than who? Blaster BCs? Cause the Harbinger and Drake are far better at damage projection than the Cane. All that speed, yes, you can run away. I suppose I should have been a bit more specific; the hurricane has the best range options of any combat BC. Against the harb, it can close to 0 km where it has a slight damage advantage and a huge tracking advantage and a neut or sit at 35 km where it has a massive damage advantage; all the harb can do is hope to get a clean shot off as the hurricane pilot sets him up for whatever plan he decides to use to take the harb down. The drake has far less damage potential than the cane, so closing to 0 and using hail would be the best strategy against the drake. That being said, all of these things are in the seat of the hurricane pilot which gives him an inherent advantage as he gets to pick his fights. As for the running away comment, this is the most valuable thing that people often gloss over. If youre sitting in a hurricane battling any other combat BC, your thought process goes "if he has friends i have to run away" If youre sitting in any other combat BC battling a hurricane, your thought process goes "if he has friends im going to die" Ill take a 5% worse ship that can run away if things go sour on me over a 5% better ship that always has to commit to a fight any day. I might not get as many kills, but ill almost never take a loss.

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