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Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
55
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Posted - 2013.02.20 20:38:00 -
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Aldrith Shutaq wrote:Anslo wrote:You're really bitter Aldrith. So what if he picks and chooses based on emotion. It means he's human. We don't always have to be logical. Get off your high horse man, it doesn't suit you. Hell yes I'm bitter. I, a father who wishes only for the safety and prospterity for his family and nation, take offense at being judged lower than a pack of psycopathic blood cultists that ****, toruture and kill because their society demands expressions of domiance over the 'weak'. So no, I'm not going to let it go, just like Mr. Irixis cannot let go his own bitterness that keeps him from seeing good, decent people live in the Empire.
If I might humbly suggest, sir... mister Ixiris's opinions aren't worth getting yourself upset over. |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
2086
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Posted - 2013.02.20 20:47:00 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:If I might humbly suggest, sir... mister Ixiris's opinions aren't worth getting yourself upset over. Apparently they are.
Samira Kernher wrote:Mister Ixirus, I have been nothing but polite. Your use of insults and accusations of delusion is very upsetting. Mane 614
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Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1479
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Posted - 2013.02.20 20:48:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Scherezad wrote:Anslo wrote:I'd say the same for a Gallentean. If a Caldari makes sweeping generalizations about my people, then meh whatever. Now if someone runs around saying I drink the blood of fallen enemies well..I might be a bit pissed off. But still... What would you do if someone pointed to that blood-drinking bezark and publicly announced "I think that man is a better man than you are." ? I'd say "Kay." I don't care if someone screams that someone else is better than me. I'm not in some rat race. This isn't school where everyone's joining a popularity contest. I could care less if someone thought I was the greatest person around or a stupid egger who has no place in this society. I am who I am. I have my opinions. They ain't changing to please someone else. I ain't changing to please someone else. Think of me what you want, I simply don't give two ****s, and I'm happier for it truth be told. Less ego, more elation. Enjoy your life and your loved ones around you.
Let me rephrase that then, since I think Scherezad phrased that too positively.
I, Tiberious Thessalonia, believe that you, Anslo, are a worse person than, say for instance, the entirety of the Angel Cartel. I believe that the things you do are so heinous that I would rather side with the Angel Cartel than I would with you. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
55
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Posted - 2013.02.20 20:48:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Samira Kernher wrote:If I might humbly suggest, sir... mister Ixiris's opinions aren't worth getting yourself upset over. Apparently they are. Samira Kernher wrote:Mister Ixirus, I have been nothing but polite. Your use of insults and accusations of delusion is very upsetting.
And you will note that I disengaged from the conversation in light of that fact, mister Ixiris, as I am suggesting Commander Shutaq do now. |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
1280
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Posted - 2013.02.20 20:49:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:I, Tiberious Thessalonia, believe that you, Anslo, are a worse person than, say for instance, the entirety of the Angel Cartel. I believe that the things you do are so heinous that I would rather side with the Angel Cartel than I would with you.
Kay.
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Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1479
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Posted - 2013.02.20 20:51:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:I, Tiberious Thessalonia, believe that you, Anslo, are a worse person than, say for instance, the entirety of the Angel Cartel. I believe that the things you do are so heinous that I would rather side with the Angel Cartel than I would with you. Kay.
I see the issue here is that you have no pride in your reputation.
You should guard it very carefully, Anslo, lest someone take it away from you. |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
2086
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Posted - 2013.02.20 20:53:00 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:And you will note that I disengaged from the conversation in light of that fact, mister Ixiris, as I am suggesting Commander Shutaq do now. The funny thing was that that conversation also heavily featured the theme of Amarrians and members of their various satellite factions not being able to confront uncomfortable truths. Mane 614
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Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
1280
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Posted - 2013.02.20 20:53:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
I see the issue here is that you have no pride in your reputation.
You should guard it very carefully, Anslo, lest someone take it away from you.
I know who and what I am Tibs. What some blow hards or big wigs think about me doesn't affect my life. Now if someone tried to ACT on those opinions and try to hurt me or any of the people I love, then I'd act in defense, violently.
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Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1479
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Posted - 2013.02.20 20:55:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
I see the issue here is that you have no pride in your reputation.
You should guard it very carefully, Anslo, lest someone take it away from you.
I know who and what I am Tibs. What some blow hards or big wigs think about me doesn't affect my life. Now if someone tried to ACT on those opinions and try to hurt me or any of the people I love, then I'd act in defense, violently.
That isn't actually what this is about, Anslo. What this is about is your reputation.
In Aldrith's case, someone is attacking his reputation, and very harshly at that. It is understandable, considering the importance of reputation amongst the capsuleer class, that he would be upset by this.
One day, I hope you realize how important your reputation actually is. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
56
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Posted - 2013.02.20 20:59:00 -
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Those who jump to the defense of their reputation against every baseless attack against it frequently only damage it further, mister Thessalonia, because it demonstrates that they lack self-confidence and are overly sensitive to criticism.
A thick skin is often superior to a loud mouth. |
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Lyn Farel
Kitzless
418
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Posted - 2013.02.20 21:00:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote: That isn't actually what this is about, Anslo. What this is about is your reputation.
In Aldrith's case, someone is attacking his reputation, and very harshly at that. It is understandable, considering the importance of reputation amongst the capsuleer class, that he would be upset by this.
One day, I hope you realize how important your reputation actually is.
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:I see the issue here is that you have no pride in your reputation. You should guard it very carefully, Anslo, lest someone take it away from you.
Nobody cares since there is no ground at all to back up that statement.
Reputation starts to matter more when the opposite is true. |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
1281
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Posted - 2013.02.20 21:01:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
That isn't actually what this is about, Anslo. What this is about is your reputation.
In Aldrith's case, someone is attacking his reputation, and very harshly at that. It is understandable, considering the importance of reputation amongst the capsuleer class, that he would be upset by this.
One day, I hope you realize how important your reputation actually is.
Just not my thing to care for others opinions Tibs. I let them judge me for me. I won't join this rat race of reputation management. If people like me, then they're with me. If they don't, oh well.
I'm just saying that Aldrith shouldn't get spitting mad about this crap. His family and his colleagues know who he is and what he's worth. His Empire knows the same. It's not worth that much anger and that much rage. Therefore, I'm saying he should relax. Those who matter to him know who he is, and if he cares that much about his rep, then those people who matter should be the only one's who's reputation he should be worried about.
As for me? Meh. Maybe I'll take it seriously, maybe I won't. For now, I'm happy being a bandaged derelict chillin out on Voulatteuion Street drinking a beer and sharing good times with my closest, non-egger, friends.
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Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1480
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Posted - 2013.02.20 21:06:00 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:Tiberious Thessalonia wrote: That isn't actually what this is about, Anslo. What this is about is your reputation.
In Aldrith's case, someone is attacking his reputation, and very harshly at that. It is understandable, considering the importance of reputation amongst the capsuleer class, that he would be upset by this.
One day, I hope you realize how important your reputation actually is.
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:I see the issue here is that you have no pride in your reputation. You should guard it very carefully, Anslo, lest someone take it away from you. Nobody cares since there is no ground at all to back up that statement. Reputation starts to matter more when the opposite is true.
Evidence actually has very little to do with reputation. This is why most civilized societies have laws against Slander and Libel.
Capsuleers are not civilized societies. |
Lyn Farel
Kitzless
419
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Posted - 2013.02.20 21:08:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Lyn Farel wrote:Tiberious Thessalonia wrote: That isn't actually what this is about, Anslo. What this is about is your reputation.
In Aldrith's case, someone is attacking his reputation, and very harshly at that. It is understandable, considering the importance of reputation amongst the capsuleer class, that he would be upset by this.
One day, I hope you realize how important your reputation actually is.
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:I see the issue here is that you have no pride in your reputation. You should guard it very carefully, Anslo, lest someone take it away from you. Nobody cares since there is no ground at all to back up that statement. Reputation starts to matter more when the opposite is true. Evidence actually has very little to do with reputation. This is why most civilized societies have laws against Slander and Libel. Capsuleers are not civilized societies.
Oh, right, I sometimes forget the superficiality of the masses. |
Deacon Abox
Justified Chaos
44
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Posted - 2013.02.20 21:24:00 -
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Valerie Valate wrote:Andreus Ixiris wrote:at least they don't pretend to be righteous.
I have no need to pretend to be Righteous.
Down with This Sort of Thing |
Kazzzi
Heathen Legion
155
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Posted - 2013.02.20 21:46:00 -
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Blooder chicas are hot.
Even Andreus can't deny it. |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilta Nera JIHADASQUAD
674
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Posted - 2013.02.20 21:55:00 -
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Anslo wrote: I'm not in some rat race. This isn't school where everyone's joining a popularity contest.
This is often the opinion of those who perform poorly in such competitions.
Sabik now, Sabik forever |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
2086
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Posted - 2013.02.20 21:55:00 -
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Kazzzi wrote:Blooder chicas are hot.
Even Andreus can't deny it. But they weren't who I went home with. Mane 614
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Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
1281
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Posted - 2013.02.20 22:04:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:Anslo wrote: I'm not in some rat race. This isn't school where everyone's joining a popularity contest. This is often the opinion of those who perform poorly in such competitions.
Says the old hag with the god complex.
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Gosakumori Noh
Viziam Amarr Empire
101
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Posted - 2013.02.20 22:43:00 -
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Oh, piffle. I thought all these new pages were going to be about intrigue and fornication. I'm still bitter about the Foundation's ruse.
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Jev North
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
168
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Posted - 2013.02.20 22:47:00 -
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Scherezad wrote:When wealth is ubiquitous, it is meaningless.
The currency of the Capsuleer is not ISK. It is reputation.
With all due respect for your powers of analysis, Sleepy, I don't get the impression that Aldrith is playing the reputation game - losing your cool in public over a declared enemy's opinion of you would be a highly unusual move for it, in any case. It seems to be a value clash. I think he's taken genuine offense at Ixiris's somewhat self-centered ideas on the worth of a person.
Values dissonance can be a powerful trigger for conflict. Compare the situation with von Khan, not too long ago. Sure, his own actions weren't the greatest, but he either denied them or apologized for them. What drew actual outrage from a number of people were his would-be supporters claiming he was justified in (allegedly) taking them, or more.
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Scherezad
Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security
581
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Posted - 2013.02.20 23:03:00 -
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Jev North wrote:With all due respect for your powers of analysis, Sleepy, I don't get the impression that Aldrith is playing the reputation game - losing your cool in public over a declared enemy's opinion of you would be a highly unusual move for it, in any case. It seems to be a value clash. I think he's taken genuine offense at Ixiris's somewhat self-centered ideas on the worth of a person.
Values dissonance can be a powerful trigger for conflict. Compare the situation with von Khan, not too long ago. Sure, his own actions weren't the greatest, but he either denied them or apologized for them. What drew actual outrage from a number of people were his would-be supporters claiming he was justified in (allegedly) taking them, or more.
Oh, yes. I don't mean to imply that Mr. Shutaq is playing a game or acting to preserve his reputation alone. I do think it a part, however. Your assessment seems very true as well.
Goodness, I do look a little sleepy, don't I? |
Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
268
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Posted - 2013.02.20 23:42:00 -
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Synthetic Cultist wrote:It does not Say that the Andreus Ixiris did not offer to be a Mercenary, because his Interests align with the Blood Raiders campaigns against the Khanid Kingdom and the Empire.
If you must know why I care, this is it.
I care because Andreus Irixis is a capsuleer, who can mentally wield a warship ship to bring death and destruction to my doorstep. Now, I do not know the validity of SynthiaGÇÖs claim here, but this is what I fear. Perhaps if people can call him out on the insanity he is starting to spout heGÇÖll think twice about casually killing Amarrians with some blood cultists on the weekend. |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
2087
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Posted - 2013.02.21 00:05:00 -
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Aldrith Shutaq wrote:I care because Andreus Irixis is a capsuleer, who can mentally wield a warship ship to bring death and destruction to my doorstep. Now, I do not know the validity of SynthiaGÇÖs claim here, but this is what I fear. Perhaps if people can call him out on the insanity he is starting to spout heGÇÖll think twice about casually killing Amarrians with some blood cultists on the weekend. Insanity? You mean pointing out the obvious flaws in the logic of a society that claims it has a direct mandate, gained by speaking to an embodiment of the cosmos itself - whom, conveniently, only they can see - to conquer the universe? People in glass habitation domes shouldn't throw stones.
By the way, Aldrith, if I had it in my head to casually murder Amarrian civilians - which, since minds as small as yours might need me to clarify, I don't - yours would be the last voice I'd listen to. Perhaps if you wish to convince me of the good within the Empire you should stop insulting me and making empty threats, and start trying to engage with me on a mature and adult level. I've read enough of the Pax Amarria (although it was one of the copies of a print run that a bunch of your people bomb settlements from orbit over) to know that inside every Amarrian there's at least some minute speck of decency and reason.
But really, I just want to point out how goddamn insane this situation is. Your society had one job, one job, Aldrith - it wasn't even a difficult one: look better than the Blood Raiders. I mean for crying out loud, these are a bunch of insane cultists who murder people and paint arcane runes in their still-warm visceral fluids - it's not difficult, and yet almost every Amarrian capsuleer and the vast majority of non-capsuleers manage to come out looking worse - worse than the Blood Raiders! Mate, what are you doing?! Your adversary in this moral comparison is the Blood Raiders! They murder civilians for fun! They name their ships after demons! Some of them pretty much directly acknowledge that they're evil! You don't even need to actually look morally upstanding; all you have to do is not look worse than them and you're failing at it! What are you doing?!
Your civilization has the closest thing to a tradition of rulers that go mad with power, and one of the most recent ways in which you decided to punish one was ritual dismemberment without anaesthetic on live television! You enacted a 99% successful genocide against two seperate ethnicities, and most recently, when you discovered that it was 99% instead of a 100%, members of your society tried to add another percent! You enslave billions of people against their will because ancient texts written by superstitious pre-spaceflight primitives thousands of years ago tell you to! And for all the moral failings of the Blood Raiders, let us not forget that it was your society that spawned them in the first place!
I don't even want the Amarrians to fix their mistakes, because I think that's being a little unrealistic - but the vast majority of your society can't even admit that they were mistakes in the first place. According to every decision the Theology Council has ever made, it was either always the right choice, or it was retroactively always the right choice. Mane 614
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Khazarn Areth
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
143
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Posted - 2013.02.21 00:19:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote: And for all the moral failings of the Blood Raiders, let us not forget that it was your society that spawned them in the first place!
And persecuted the first practicioners of the Sani Sabik faith, innocent faithful who only sought to rise above the stations they were shackled to by their imperialist overlords.
Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood |
Thgil Goldcore
Advenus Classem Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
540
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Posted - 2013.02.21 00:39:00 -
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Federalists are funny...
barely worth commenting on. Just face-palm to Ixiris' backpedaling.
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Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
1210
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Posted - 2013.02.21 00:46:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:... and one of the most recent ways in which you decided to punish one was ritual dismemberment without anaesthetic on live television! ...
Pot, I'd like to introduce you to Kettle. You'll find you have much in common.
Shosho Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Diplomat ~ [I-RED] Sub-Director of Public Relations |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
2088
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Posted - 2013.02.21 00:46:00 -
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Thgil Goldcore wrote:Federalists are funny...
barely worth commenting on. Just face-palm to Ixiris' backpedaling. Backpedalling? I'm pretty open about having attended a Sani Sabik gathering, and also pretty open about not following the Sani Sabik faith. Only thing I haven't open about yet is who I left the gathering with.
Ah, now if that had been the subject of a salacious gossip column, this thread might be a lot more interesting... Mane 614
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Thgil Goldcore
Advenus Classem Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
540
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Posted - 2013.02.21 00:55:00 -
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"Its OK that I support and/or **Concord censorship** members of a homicidal cult... your apparently worse! so mortally I am clean!" -funny federalist.
What exact justification do you have with fraternizing with people who you know will go out and murder after last call? |
Khazarn Areth
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
143
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Posted - 2013.02.21 01:01:00 -
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Thgil Goldcore wrote:"Its OK that I support and/or **Concord censorship** members of a homicidal cult... your apparently worse! so mortally I am clean!" -funny federalist.
What exact justification do you have with fraternizing with people who you know will go out and murder after last call?
Mr Ixiris has to justify going to a small social event with a vaired mixing of attendee backgrounds and conversing socially (and politely i may add) at said event?
And if we're discussing socialising with murderers, are most capsuleers not murderers in their own self righteous ways? Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood |
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