Funny how you can share polite conversation with Blood Raiders but froth at the mouth when confronted with an Amarrian.

Really, your cultural flexibility is astonishing.

Our secret plot is all coming together.... magnificent!

Maybe most of the Blood Raiders I meet aren't making implicit cultural judgements about me, endlessly spouting scripture, constantly insulting the politics of my nation or threatening me with slavery.

Hell, the literal worst thing a Blood Raider ever did to me was, uh, lock me in a closet?

Mr. Ixiris;

Perhaps you should ask your crews about reasons they might have for disliking the Blood Raiders. They may provide you with reasons for inverting the relationship you discuss above.

Though, I of course would never suggest being uncivil, even to the most atrocious, without due and immediate cause.

Maybe most of the Blood Raiders I meet aren't making implicit cultural judgements about me, endlessly spouting scripture, constantly insulting the politics of my nation or threatening me with slavery.

Hell, the literal worst thing a Blood Raider ever did to me was, uh, lock me in a closet?

No, they just drain some people of their blood just because they can. Nevermind though, as long as they treat you well it's quite fine. I forgot you were the center of the universe, sorry.

These comments included Captain Ixiris showering compliments on notorious Blood Raider operative Asias Urazmie, and drinking wine with several Sani Sabik cultists!

Sorry about that again, Center of the Universe. I'll stop suggesting you're a petulant child who picks their enemies based more on personal feelings than actual ideals, because the Center of the Universe couldn't possibly we wrong or unreasonable or be unable to see through his own hypocracy. That just wouldn't do.

Sorry about that again, Center of the Universe. I'll stop suggesting you're a petulant child who picks their enemies based more on personal feelings than actual ideals, because the Center of the Universe couldn't possibly we wrong or unreasonable or be unable to see through his own hypocracy. That just wouldn't do.

You're really bitter Aldrith. So what if he picks and chooses based on emotion. It means he's human. We don't always have to be logical. Get off your high horse man, it doesn't suit you.

Hell yes I'm bitter. I, a father who wishes only for the safety and prospterity for his family and nation, take offense at being judged lower than a pack of psycopathic blood cultists that ****, toruture and kill because their society demands expressions of domiance over the 'weak'.

So no, I'm not going to let it go, just like Mr. Irixis cannot let go his own bitterness that keeps him from seeing good, decent people live in the Empire.

But why do you care what someone else thinks? It's your life, who cares who judges you as whatever? You know you're good, your family knows your good, your colleagues know your good. Hell, I know you're a good guy.

Seriously, you're caring way too much about others opinions. Chill out.

When wealth is ubiquitous, it is meaningless.

The currency of the Capsuleer is not ISK. It is reputation.

Hell yes I'm bitter. I, a father who wishes only for the safety and prospterity for his family and nation, take offense at being judged lower than a pack of psycopathic blood cultists that ****, toruture and kill because their society demands expressions of domiance over the 'weak'.

So no, I'm not going to let it go, just like Mr. Irixis cannot let go his own bitterness that keeps him from seeing good, decent people live in the Empire.

When wealth is ubiquitous, it is meaningless.

The currency of the Capsuleer is not ISK. It is reputation.

at least they don't pretend to be righteous.

I'd say the same for a Gallentean. If a Caldari makes sweeping generalizations about my people, then meh whatever. Now if someone runs around saying I drink the blood of fallen enemies well..I might be a bit pissed off. But still...

What would you do if someone pointed to that blood-drinking bezark and publicly announced "I think that man is a better man than you are." ?

Hell yes I'm bitter. I, a father who wishes only for the safety and prospterity for his family and nation, take offense at being judged lower than a pack of psycopathic blood cultists that ****, toruture and kill because their society demands expressions of domiance over the 'weak'.

So no, I'm not going to let it go, just like Mr. Irixis cannot let go his own bitterness that keeps him from seeing good, decent people live in the Empire.

If I might humbly suggest, sir... mister Ixiris's opinions aren't worth getting yourself upset over.

Mister Ixirus, I have been nothing but polite. Your use of insults and accusations of delusion is very upsetting.

I'd say "Kay." I don't care if someone screams that someone else is better than me. I'm not in some rat race. This isn't school where everyone's joining a popularity contest. I could care less if someone thought I was the greatest person around or a stupid egger who has no place in this society.

I am who I am. I have my opinions. They ain't changing to please someone else. I ain't changing to please someone else. Think of me what you want, I simply don't give two ****s, and I'm happier for it truth be told.

Less ego, more elation. Enjoy your life and your loved ones around you.

Apparently they are.

I, Tiberious Thessalonia, believe that you, Anslo, are a worse person than, say for instance, the entirety of the Angel Cartel. I believe that the things you do are so heinous that I would rather side with the Angel Cartel than I would with you.

Kay.

And you will note that I disengaged from the conversation in light of that fact, mister Ixiris, as I am suggesting Commander Shutaq do now.

I see the issue here is that you have no pride in your reputation.

You should guard it very carefully, Anslo, lest someone take it away from you.

I know who and what I am Tibs. What some blow hards or big wigs think about me doesn't affect my life. Now if someone tried to ACT on those opinions and try to hurt me or any of the people I love, then I'd act in defense, violently.

That isn't actually what this is about, Anslo. What this is about is your reputation.

In Aldrith's case, someone is attacking his reputation, and very harshly at that. It is understandable, considering the importance of reputation amongst the capsuleer class, that he would be upset by this.

One day, I hope you realize how important your reputation actually is.

I see the issue here is that you have no pride in your reputation.

You should guard it very carefully, Anslo, lest someone take it away from you.

That isn't actually what this is about, Anslo. What this is about is your reputation.

In Aldrith's case, someone is attacking his reputation, and very harshly at that. It is understandable, considering the importance of reputation amongst the capsuleer class, that he would be upset by this.

One day, I hope you realize how important your reputation actually is.

Nobody cares since there is no ground at all to back up that statement.

Reputation starts to matter more when the opposite is true.

Evidence actually has very little to do with reputation. This is why most civilized societies have laws against Slander and Libel.

Capsuleers are not civilized societies.

I have no need to pretend to be Righteous.

I'm not in some rat race. This isn't school where everyone's joining a popularity contest.

Blooder chicas are hot.

Even Andreus can't deny it.

This is often the opinion of those who perform poorly in such competitions.

When wealth is ubiquitous, it is meaningless.

The currency of the Capsuleer is not ISK. It is reputation.

With all due respect for your powers of analysis, Sleepy, I don't get the impression that Aldrith is playing the reputation game - losing your cool in public over a declared enemy's opinion of you would be a highly unusual move for it, in any case. It seems to be a value clash. I think he's taken genuine offense at Ixiris's somewhat self-centered ideas on the worth of a person.

Values dissonance can be a powerful trigger for conflict. Compare the situation with von Khan, not too long ago. Sure, his own actions weren't the greatest, but he either denied them or apologized for them. What drew actual outrage from a number of people were his would-be supporters claiming he was justified in (allegedly) taking them, or more.

It does not Say that the Andreus Ixiris did not offer to be a Mercenary, because his Interests align with the Blood Raiders campaigns against the Khanid Kingdom and the Empire.

I care because Andreus Irixis is a capsuleer, who can mentally wield a warship ship to bring death and destruction to my doorstep. Now, I do not know the validity of SynthiaGÇÖs claim here, but this is what I fear. Perhaps if people can call him out on the insanity he is starting to spout heGÇÖll think twice about casually killing Amarrians with some blood cultists on the weekend.

And for all the moral failings of the Blood Raiders, let us not forget that it was your society that spawned them in the first place!

... and one of the most recent ways in which you decided to punish one was ritual dismemberment without anaesthetic on live television! ...

Federalists are funny...

barely worth commenting on. Just face-palm to Ixiris' backpedaling.

"Its OK that I support and/or **Concord censorship** members of a homicidal cult... your apparently worse! so mortally I am clean!" -funny federalist.

What exact justification do you have with fraternizing with people who you know will go out and murder after last call?

"Its OK that I support and/or **Concord censorship** members of a homicidal cult... your apparently worse! so mortally I am clean!" -funny federalist.

What exact justification do you have with fraternizing with people who you know will go out and murder after last call?

Doesn't have much to do with caring who you associate with. Frankly I couldn't care, we're likely to shoot each-other on sight anyway... Its just a clear sign of how twisted you have to have your priorities in order to sleep at night.

looking at it from your point of view...

Group A kills people for God... that's ok by me.
Group B kills people for God... EVIL!

But seems like you got your values so tangled up that you believe success is directly proportional to killing and Nothing else. The efforts of PIE on the battlefield amount to protecting Empire citizens, not trying to find glory. If you are likewise unaware PIE has other outreach programs which we strive to be successful at.

May have to correct you on my view point... glad to see you agree that your values are arbitrary though.

Its very easy to say the blooders are evil since they do actively try to kill me and my people. For that matter i suggest you go try mining in space actively patrolled by your friends. may be eye opening.

However, if you review your history of the last few years you may notice that the Amarr Empire has been rather defensive as of late.

A real question is... why do you feel the need to debate this matter at all? I mean if you don't really care what I think or anyone else thinks in the first place?

I personally have been trying to understand the Federalist mindset for a while. Naturally course its always inconstant.

It's a sad day when the Gallente jump into bed with the Blood Raiders.