Il use SWTOR as a example, Fantastic story, Fantastic leveling system. God awful PVP and absolutely no sandbox what so ever with a rinse repeat token grind at end game.....It failed, by failure it has around 30k - 60k active players on a daily basis....That number is the same for EVE....So make your assumptions.

Fact is with a solid PVE environment this game will attract 3 times as many players. And that is only a good thing in the long run.

I do not want Eve to ever be a fluffy bunny, no way at all, but making PVE a better place does not need to effect PVP in this game. And can only go to the game receiving more players which in turn means more money for development. I thouroghly agree with you on the 100k players coming in and complaining, but noone is asking CCP to make it hello kitty online. Just a bit more fun for the people trying to establish themselves in an MMO that caters to players with 5 year skill queues :-)

Joining a militia doesn't prevent you from joining a player run corp, sinse you can enter a militia as an individual, enter your entire corp, or enter your alliance.

The suggestion wouldn't break any of the player run corps, as they're entirely seperate from FW, if you want them to be.

Doesn't make the suggestion good though, it's still bad.

Human stupidity knows no limits...

Take you little spaceship, and fly it to a less safe area, they already exist in-game.

, but noone is asking CCP to make it hello kitty online. Just a bit more fun for the people trying to establish themselves in an MMO that caters to players with 5 year skill queues :-)

I think a lot of the reason that many Eve players do not embrace the challenge of PvP is not because they fear challenge, rather they hate the idea of being in a fight that they cannot win.

The bears hate the idea of being in a fight that they possibly lose.

The bears hate the idea of being in a fight that they possibly lose.

That is why my post wasnt a suggestion, more pointing out that from a storyline/immersion point of view FW is as dumb as hisec incursions are.

Very few hate fights they might lose. I've never seen someone pull out of a fight because they feel they might lose. Its when loss is extremely painful compared to the potential reward or when people feel they WILL lose that is when people pull back. No ifs ands or buts about it. There are exceptions, but its rare.

How about Concord invades Lowsec

How is it dumb from a storyline/ immersion perspective?

Obviously that's incredibly subjective.

Step 1: Join a player corp.

Step 2: Participate in that corp.

Step 3: Be less bored.

The whole uniniverse should get a "uniqueness" pass. Unique stations, diverse resources, little touches like storyline characters found leading navy patrols, or a constellation famed for having higher than average links to deep WH space... etc. I've always thought eve needed far more elements like this. COSMOS 2.0 if you will.

The bears hate the idea of being in a fight that they possibly lose.

I want to see:

Gurista really invade Caldari, Angel Cartel invade Minmatar space, Serpentis invade Gallente and Blood Raiders raid the hell out of Amarr space.

I want NPC rats blowing **** up!! I want to see NPC gate camps, station camps and obliterate unsuspecting miners. Im tired of seeing these cheesy rats in the belts.....so called "spies" and "scouts".

CCP, highsec as it stands right now is boring. Its too safe an area of the game. Dont nerf the rewards of carebears in highsec. Increase them. But make 0.5-0.7 systems more dangerous with good bounties for retaking systems. Good bounties for eliminating NPC gate and station camps. Give players a reason to escort freighters, protect miners and provide cover for mission runners to get out of station to go complete a

Freighters autopilot all throughout Empire without much risk. Miners afk in belts with only gankers to worry about. I want to see carebears band together to retake their home when the NPC pirates invade and make it as dangerous to leave station as if they were in lowsec or null. Carebears are good at one thing.....killing NPCs. So CCP, give them more **** to shoot at.

Have Sleepers hop in from that new k162 that spawned and start kiling players in hisec. Give players a reason to pay attention before undocking.

Have NPCs pod players too.

At least for a few months, have all the NPC pirate factions truly invade highsec so it affects EVERYONE who lives in 0.5-0.7 systems. Incursions are cool, but not dangerous enough. I want to see exploding pinatas in highsec. Make us all have to fight to defend our homes. Because right now, the highsec PvE is just too damn easy and boring. Some love PvE without the PvP. So give us more intense PvE in highsec.

Set highsec on fire!!!!!!!

Personally, I do PvE in order to fund my trips into lowsec where I inevitably die to battlecruisers.

PvE is LUDICROUSLY bad. I literally had a mission of "touch this pole, then this pole, then this pole, now this pole over here, one more pole and yay!". It's not just that it's bad money, it's that it's bad times, and it's tricky for a 1m SP character to solo PvP.

I think we could make all sides happy if we could get the PvE to be a better trainer for PvP.

The rats on level 1 missions do 2 DPS, and attack in small waves. Not only is this not challenging, and not fun, but it also does absolutely nothing to prepare me for PvPing in lowsec. I don't need any tank, and I don't need warp stabilizers because I can always run away if I do too many waves too fast.

(It also gives me rewards equal to the challenge).

I want PvE missions that are fun, challenging, have a risk of me losing my ship, and teach me skills that I can use in PvP.

(I also want a skill that lets me have a mini-fleet of like 2-5 people, so my friend and I can do tougher missions together without my spending three weeks studying leadership, but that's neither here nor there)

The bears hate the idea of being in a fight that they possibly lose.

Actually, it's about becoming someone's ePeen stat.
I'm new (just about a month of play time) and I've just been jumping around low sec just to see what's there...I really don't have much to lose but it's am....e PvPer's that rate strength of the killed target and show who is really PvPing and just ganking and have that in the sec status or as a title.

Anything in Eve is only as boring as you make it out to be.

Except missions. That is truly eye-gougingly boring.

Welcome to Eve Van. The players in lowsec who attack you are doing their best to be good Eve players.

Not risk free. Players should have to escort freighters and orcas. The invading NPCs should not be easy. They should be out for blood. hell i would like to see them bring in their own miners and start clearing belts. Make miners have to fight to get to use their belts. Have there be the possibility that Dodixie fall under the control and ownership of Serpentis. Throw the market in disarray because highsec isnt so safe anymore.

I guess that's what I don't understand being new to this game.

A "PvPer" chases a frigate to a station. Camps it until either the player logs for a good amount of time, dies or someone with an equal or better ship chases them off.

What is the "thinking" of this player?
It's fairly easy to recognize the new marks.
...and in most cases the new player either quits the game or dies and heads back and stays in high sec.

Its akin to killing all of the stocked fish before they are mature and then complaining when you're starving.

How is that being a good EVE player?