Admittingly, having actual random NPC pirate raiding events would be nice at the very least...

You mean more risk-free isk and loot? Better to add some kind of belts to allow faction warfare gangs to come into enemy highsec space and kill everyone without invoking a Concord response. Collaborators from other races are no better than the race you're actually fighting against.

Not risk free. Players should have to escort freighters and orcas. The invading NPCs should not be easy. They should be out for blood. hell i would like to see them bring in their own miners and start clearing belts. Make miners have to fight to get to use their belts. Have there be the possibility that Dodixie fall under the control and ownership of Serpentis. Throw the market in disarray because highsec isnt so safe anymore.

Anything involving NPCs is meticulously cataloged and put on various websites so that carebears can maximise their isk per hour. My way would involve players creating the content, which would mean it would be less predictable. As a group of people, Eve players do things that are stupid, brilliant, stupidly brilliant and brilliantly stupid. This keeps it fresh and exciting, kinda like all other emergent player-driven content in the game.

Anything involving NPCs is meticulously cataloged and put on various websites so that carebears can maximise their isk per hour. My way would involve players creating the content, which would mean it would be less predictable. As a group of people, Eve players do things that are stupid, brilliant, stupidly brilliant and brilliantly stupid. This keeps it fresh and exciting, kinda like all other emergent player-driven content in the game.

Not if its random and/or spearheaded by the devs like live events. I heard the devs did a live event where the took a serpentis titan across a part of eve. Players were tasked with destroying the titan. Some players came out and took the side of the Serpentis and managed to escort the titan all the way. CCP has the tools and the ability to do those types of events. I want them to do that kind of stuff in highsec. Make carebears actually care about something more than the daily grind.

Just remove NPC corps and wardec evasion/corphopping, that would go a long way towards alleviating this tedium.

So we provide interesting and involved gameplay and you guys whine until it gets nerfed and then you ask that NPCs provide involved and interesting gameplay...

"I stay in the NPC corps and don't interact with anyone! CCP ADD CONTENT TO KEEP ME ENTERTAINED OR I'LL UNSUB."

Sort of like how you cry about hi sec not being low or null sec.

No not like advocating balance at all, more like your hatred of newbies and casuals in the cause of isk farming, themeparking and rampant devaluation.

Dude, you don't advocate any of that stuff. You just go around whining how you want NPC corps removed or wardecs against them in every single thread you go to involving anything with high sec or people against something. Its gotten rather old. If its such a big deal, why don't you talk about it in detail in a thread focused on the subject, with details backing up your "claims" rather than whining everywhere else to try and take the focus off the current subject.

Only person whining here is you, whining that I deliver truth and it would be nice if I stopped. I don't think that will happen, I'm afraid.

Other people bring their subjects up in their own posts rather than whining in every other thread they come across. Almost all your posts are about the same thing and yet its always in topics that has nothing to do with the subject. Go take it in your own thread and actually back it rather than whine any place you go.

I have to 'back up' the claim that removing NPC corps and wardec evasion will increase the risk (and decrease the OP's perceived tedium) of highsec? Or that overpresent safety is related to perceived 'highsec boredom'? Please, pry your master away from his botting corpmates and ask him to teach you properly.

I back up that what i say is based for concern of the game with every related reply I make to a prestated game-related concern, like 'make highsec less boring'.

gg

PS: For someone who came into this thread accusing everyone who disagreed with him a 'whiner', you seem touchy about others being 'insulting'.

OP is bored.

OP is in high sec.

OP is in NPC corporation.

OP demands CCP change the situation.

Could say that about null sec problems too quite often, or any problem really... if there are issues in the game, no matter where they are, high sec, low sec, null sec, they should be given consideration, and its obvious that anyone who brings up an issue is affected by it in some way or foresees being affected by it in the future.... so really you've pretty much brought up statements that in a way could describe every single forum post ever if you just replace a couple words according to situation. Congrats on that...

Entering every topic with a title like that with simply stating "do this, it'll make things better" isn't backing up anything in any universe. And never did I say anyone who disagreed with me was a whiner, just those with attitudes like yours who always has to bring up the same subject over and over, ignoring the content of the actual post. Essentially you're admitting that you responded only to the title of the post and nothing more. No discussion of merits about the content, no displaying the merits of your suggestion. Nothing. Just the same thing, over and over, like clockwork. You just look for the excuse to bring it up and don't care about actually discussing it. Don't care about actually presenting it. You just bring it up for the sake of bringing it up because you want it now.

Sort of like how you cry about hi sec not being low or null sec.

Actually my post was very topical and evaluated the concerns of the OP fairly and comprehensively, such as
- AFK freighters autopiloting lazily through highsec
- the lack of the sense of danger in highsec
- 'Give players a reason to pay attention before undocking.'

All of these issues would be swiftly answered by allowing normal and intended PvP to happen in the most populated area of EVE, by resolving wardec evasion and removing NPC corps, while being much more easy to implement instead of creating advanced NPC AI. I'm sure you'll want me to prove self-evident 'claims' related to this, like "is a live player really better adapting then a CCP script file?" or something. If you want an example of a true kneejerk post without argument or reason, look no farther then here:


Heady stuff, great argument.

Could say that about null sec problems too quite often, or any problem really... if there are issues in the game, no matter where they are, high sec, low sec, null sec, they should be given consideration, and its obvious that anyone who brings up an issue is affected by it in some way or foresees being affected by it in the future.... so really you've pretty much brought up statements that in a way could describe every single forum post ever if you just replace a couple words according to situation. Congrats on that...

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Actually my post was very topical and evaluated the concerns of the OP fairly and comprehensively, such as
- AFK freighters autopiloting lazily through highsec
- the lack of the sense of danger in highsec
- 'Give players a reason to pay attention before undocking.'

All of these issues would be swiftly answered by allowing normal and intended PvP to happen in the most populated area of EVE, by resolving wardec evasion and removing NPC corps, while being much more easy to implement instead of creating advanced NPC AI. I'm sure you'll want me to prove self-evident 'claims' related to this, like "is a live player really better adapting then a CCP script file?" or something. If you want an example of a true kneejerk post without argument or reason, look no farther then here:


Heady stuff, great argument.

More of one than you're making. Yours sums up to be "oh god, this player who plays differently than me has an opinion! Lets point and laugh"

Jonric: What role will missions play in the game? (snip)

Thorolfur Beck: Players will be able to go on specific missions for the empires. These can range from freight-carrying to combat-oriented (pirate-cleaning) to covert missions (spying, finding information). The missions are mainly for players to learn all the different aspects of the game, and earn some bucks in the process. We don't intend AI involved missions to be the be-all and end-all of the game - they are something we believe many players will dabble in for a while and then move on to more actual missions involving other human players.

Jonric: Will there be any computer-controlled opponents to fight, or only other players? What about computer-controlled guard ship or escort ships?

Thorolfur Beck: There will be computer-controlled opponents in some areas - call them space dungeons. Computer-controlled enemies are not, however, thought of as centerpieces of the game-play in EVE, but rather as a variation to help players tune combat skills or to keep players busy while waiting for grander schemes to unfold. We will try to channel conflict into the PvP direction, in a way that allows for a lot of much more exciting battles than possible with any AI, but without making life unbearable for the more peaceful or inexperienced players. In the secure zones in the game world there will be a lot of empire-controlled ships flying around, both armed ships guarding the peace as well as just normal space traffic.

I don't know. NPC haulers and miners are ganked all the time so its not like they are avoiding anything. In fact, I'm privy to people in NPC corps that gank other people regardless of if they are in a NPC corp or not.

Yep. Thats right. NPC corp members as gankers.

Actually its more "Hey, this dude is trying to force his solo playstyle on a multiplayer game. He can play any number of singleplayer games but instead attempts to force his style on devs that have a backlog of serious issues to address."

Also, precedence:

"I stay in the NPC corps and don't interact with anyone! CCP ADD CONTENT TO KEEP ME ENTERTAINED OR I'LL UNSUB."

You mean more risk-free isk and loot? Better to add some kind of mechanic to allow faction warfare gangs to come into enemy highsec space and kill everyone without invoking a Concord response. Collaborators from other races are no better than the race you're actually fighting against.

Doesn't sound like an idea that would have to be solo based to me (see incursions)... though I suppose your "precedence" quote does throw my idea of it creating a station wide null sec zone out the window if nothing else. That's not exactly something you'd give players the power over. Still, you could say what you just said rather than be snarky. At least it lends itself more towards having a little more explainable and respectable viewpoint.

I want to see:

stuff

Set highsec on fire!!!!!!!

CCP, highsec as it stands right now is boring. Its too safe an area of the game.

Just remove NPC corps and wardec evasion/corphopping, that would go a long way towards alleviating this tedium.

I want to see:

Gurista really invade Caldari, Angel Cartel invade Minmatar space, Serpentis invade Gallente and Blood Raiders raid the hell out of Amarr space.

I want NPC rats blowing **** up!! I want to see NPC gate camps, station camps and obliterate unsuspecting miners. Im tired of seeing these cheesy rats in the belts.....so called "spies" and "scouts".

CCP, highsec as it stands right now is boring. Its too safe an area of the game. Dont nerf the rewards of carebears in highsec. Increase them. But make 0.5-0.7 systems more dangerous with good bounties for retaking systems. Good bounties for eliminating NPC gate and station camps. Give players a reason to escort freighters, protect miners and provide cover for mission runners to get out of station to go complete a

Freighters autopilot all throughout Empire without much risk. Miners afk in belts with only gankers to worry about. I want to see carebears band together to retake their home when the NPC pirates invade and make it as dangerous to leave station as if they were in lowsec or null. Carebears are good at one thing.....killing NPCs. So CCP, give them more **** to shoot at.

Have Sleepers hop in from that new k162 that spawned and start kiling players in hisec. Give players a reason to pay attention before undocking.

Have NPCs pod players too.

At least for a few months, have all the NPC pirate factions truly invade highsec so it affects EVERYONE who lives in 0.5-0.7 systems. Incursions are cool, but not dangerous enough. I want to see exploding pinatas in highsec. Make us all have to fight to defend our homes. Because right now, the highsec PvE is just too damn easy and boring. Some love PvE without the PvP. So give us more intense PvE in highsec.

Set highsec on fire!!!!!!!

Anything involving NPCs is meticulously cataloged and put on various websites so that carebears can maximise their isk per hour. My way would involve players creating the content, which would mean it would be less predictable. As a group of people, Eve players do things that are stupid, brilliant, stupidly brilliant and brilliantly stupid. This keeps it fresh and exciting, kinda like all other emergent player-driven content in the game.

I want to see:

Gurista really invade Caldari, Angel Cartel invade Minmatar space, Serpentis invade Gallente and Blood Raiders raid the hell out of Amarr space.

I want NPC rats blowing **** up!! I want to see NPC gate camps, station camps and obliterate unsuspecting miners. Im tired of seeing these cheesy rats in the belts.....so called "spies" and "scouts".

CCP, highsec as it stands right now is boring. Its too safe an area of the game. Dont nerf the rewards of carebears in highsec. Increase them. But make 0.5-0.7 systems more dangerous with good bounties for retaking systems. Good bounties for eliminating NPC gate and station camps. Give players a reason to escort freighters, protect miners and provide cover for mission runners to get out of station to go complete a

Freighters autopilot all throughout Empire without much risk. Miners afk in belts with only gankers to worry about. I want to see carebears band together to retake their home when the NPC pirates invade and make it as dangerous to leave station as if they were in lowsec or null. Carebears are good at one thing.....killing NPCs. So CCP, give them more **** to shoot at.

Have Sleepers hop in from that new k162 that spawned and start kiling players in hisec. Give players a reason to pay attention before undocking.

Have NPCs pod players too.

At least for a few months, have all the NPC pirate factions truly invade highsec so it affects EVERYONE who lives in 0.5-0.7 systems. Incursions are cool, but not dangerous enough. I want to see exploding pinatas in highsec. Make us all have to fight to defend our homes. Because right now, the highsec PvE is just too damn easy and boring. Some love PvE without the PvP. So give us more intense PvE in highsec.

Set highsec on fire!!!!!!!

I want to see:

Gurista really invade Caldari, Angel Cartel invade Minmatar space, Serpentis invade Gallente and Blood Raiders raid the hell out of Amarr space.

I want NPC rats blowing **** up!! I want to see NPC gate camps, station camps and obliterate unsuspecting miners. Im tired of seeing these cheesy rats in the belts.....so called "spies" and "scouts".

CCP, highsec as it stands right now is boring. Its too safe an area of the game. Dont nerf the rewards of carebears in highsec. Increase them. But make 0.5-0.7 systems more dangerous with good bounties for retaking systems. Good bounties for eliminating NPC gate and station camps. Give players a reason to escort freighters, protect miners and provide cover for mission runners to get out of station to go complete a

Freighters autopilot all throughout Empire without much risk. Miners afk in belts with only gankers to worry about. I want to see carebears band together to retake their home when the NPC pirates invade and make it as dangerous to leave station as if they were in lowsec or null. Carebears are good at one thing.....killing NPCs. So CCP, give them more **** to shoot at.

Have Sleepers hop in from that new k162 that spawned and start kiling players in hisec. Give players a reason to pay attention before undocking.

Have NPCs pod players too.

At least for a few months, have all the NPC pirate factions truly invade highsec so it affects EVERYONE who lives in 0.5-0.7 systems. Incursions are cool, but not dangerous enough. I want to see exploding pinatas in highsec. Make us all have to fight to defend our homes. Because right now, the highsec PvE is just too damn easy and boring. Some love PvE without the PvP. So give us more intense PvE in highsec.

Set highsec on fire!!!!!!!

Live events are great, but CCP don't have the time to run them often. Besides, players should be creating the content, not to mention there are no silly rules against us podding other players.

what an excitingly standard comment

Regardless, I'm in a Corp that's in 10 wars right now, and High Sec is no longer boring.

Sort of like how you cry about hi sec not being low or null sec.

awe npc alt poster making goon pet mad. i dont understand why you are so mad. you live in null sec which has become the safest place in eve to rat.

congrats on being a part of the problem and not the solution.

Lets face facts

Can't really undertand how I can sit in a .5 belt, alone, in a ship with no guns, and have 2 or 3 Hobgoblin 1's orbitting me to stay perfectly safe.

There's no reason for belt rats. I can sit there and let the damn things shoot me with no worry.

NPC's need a serious beefing up in high sec, they're ******* ******** as it stands.

sandbox with not enough options to some people...

You first. You say "the tools suck" and then spout off a bunch of misconceptions about the game and you wonder why you're bored.
The tools are there, they don't suck, and you don't have to leave highsec to have fun. A lot of us may have said to go to the more dangerous areas of space, but those are only fun if you like the added risk. Some people don't. There are plenty of other ways to have fun in this game.

No, it isn't. If PVE is all you want this isn't your game.
What we most definitely do not need is an influx of a hundred thousand players all coming for the PVE element, a large portion of whom will be crying that ganking in highsec should be against the rules, scamming should be against the rules, wardecs should be consensual, etc.

i agree as being real beings they would at some stage start to understand that they are pussies and begin to stock up or gtfo and not come back. rats in high sec belts shouldnt even show up.

Just to clarify, i have played MMOs for over 12 years, by comparison to many, Eves "Lower" level areas eg: Highsec suck and have limited tools to make it fun, Incursions are poor and ultimately a High skilled scenario and if anyone thinks running Security missions over and over or mining are deemed as fun, well they need to play a few other games like LOTRO, SWTOR, SWG, WOW to see how FUN doing the first few months of a game should be...???

PVEers do not need PVPers..........PVPers in MMOs rely on PVEers.

CCP, please make Highsec less boring!

The first thing you should have done when you started to play this game was throw every idea you had about MMOs out the window, because it leads you to say ignorant things like this:

Step 1: Join a player corp.

Step 2: Participate in that corp.

Step 3: Be less bored.

I really dont see how what i said was ignorant, personally to deny it is ignorance...

There are 101 scenarios I could list, ultimately it comes down to this, High end players do not want to do menial tasks, they rely on Miners and PVEers to do it for them to fund there campaigns. That is a fact of life not just this game....

So lets say all PVEers are cast from the game, the game is made unplayable for them, so they leave .Now noone is mining your ORE, noone is making your ammo.....What do you do, you start to Mine the Ore and make the ammo......You become a PVEer....

There is nothing ignorant about what i said at all....Bottom line is PVEers need PVPers and PVPers need PVEers, irrelevant of how ridiculous or ignorant PVPers think a comment like that is, or not.

Eve is not some major mystery that noone knows about or some Limited edition MMO that is unheard of like some think it is, Its 10 years old, and has been done before, Sandbox is nothing new at all. Weve seen it ,played it, watched it come and go in many forms.

One fact is absolutely true, Every single player that starts this game EVER, was a PVEer for a period of time. I odnt care if you joined the game and skipped all the tutorials went straight into a Corp in a war and died, at some point you mined an asteroid, at some point you killed rats in a belt and at some point you did a mission, Everyone here is a PVEer.....Like it or not :-)

That is not CCP's job.
It's yours.

That is not CCP's job.
It's yours.

I read this as you wish to be able to attack new players who cannot really defend themselves.

Players avoiding wardecs! Oh my goodness, how mean of them.

I don't know. NPC haulers and miners are ganked all the time so its not like they are avoiding anything. In fact, I'm privy to people in NPC corps that gank other people regardless of if they are in a NPC corp or not.

Yep. Thats right. NPC corp members as gankers.

I want to see:

Gurista really invade Caldari, Angel Cartel invade Minmatar space, Serpentis invade Gallente and Blood Raiders raid the hell out of Amarr space.

I want NPC rats blowing **** up!! I want to see NPC gate camps, station camps and obliterate unsuspecting miners. Im tired of seeing these cheesy rats in the belts.....so called "spies" and "scouts".

City of heroes, the day it released, had a nifty little feature that would spawn mobs in a zone, near you, based on your level.

Go into a zone that had level 10-15 mobs, kill a bunch of those lvl 10 mobs when you're level 15, and the new mobs will spawn at a higher level.

I really don't understand why CCP doesn't have rats spawning based on the people in a belt. 5 exhumers in a belt, and oh the horror, 3 NPC frigates that combined can't kill a mach that is fit properly show up.

They should spawn harder mobs if miners sit in a belt long enough. If other games could do this when they released, around the same time EVE released, there's no reason that CCP can't do it.

Where does CCP bill EVE as "cold and harsh", but only when another player actually wants to lose isk suicide ganking you in high sec.

And given some of the changes recently that have made suicide ganking far less desirable, and according them drastically increased the number of people mining in high sec, it would make a lot of sense for CCP to beef up the rats to be a viable threat to players.

CCP doesn't need to waste time coding new AI. I would be happy to do all that if they made Concord able to be killed like they used to be.

Actually they have a team tasked with PvE content. They are the ones who changed the A.I. of NPCs recently. Its not a waste of time. It is what I pay CCP for. Maintain, improve, and develop all aspects of EVE. ALL aspects. Not just a few certain things.

I agree with both of you.

The PvE needs to be improved, and I'd love if concord was something the bad guys had to actualy fight against; not just die too. Then the real pirates could create content in high sec.

But god forbid the ganker doesn't explode because they fired a single shot at a miner to make their extortion efforts actually mean something.

High sec isn't just boring because the content is rather dull, it's also boring because conocord prevents more emergent gameplay and player created content. NPC pirates can fly around and shoot stuff, ineffectively, but if a player does it they're struck down by the hand of god.


Edit: Personally, I wish that after a few months you were given a choice, either join your factions militia, join another factions militia, or join a player run corp.

I kind of like this idea... things being able to esculate into a full pirate raid if enough miners are spotted in a single area by rats... something that makes it where if you have a full mining fleet, you proooobably want an escort with you, and set up in a way where its worthwhile and fun for the escort.

Could say that about null sec problems too quite often, or any problem really... if there are issues in the game, no matter where they are, high sec, low sec, null sec, they should be given consideration, and its obvious that anyone who brings up an issue is affected by it in some way or foresees being affected by it in the future.... so really you've pretty much brought up statements that in a way could describe every single forum post ever if you just replace a couple words according to situation. Congrats on that...

Go to null and see all this content delivered... At your doorstep.

But definitely, FW players should be able to kill members of the other side entirely.

I dunno, I've only really been playing for a few months (real time) and the first thing I did was disable the safe route option. I must play at an odd time because the largest group of people I seen in any low sec system was 6 and the one guy that tried to PvP must have forgotten to train any targeting skills to go with his BC It was kind of exciting to see an incoming lock from a player.

Die hard PVPers will do everything they can to drive PVEers out of a game like this. Only problem is when they are gone, what are you going to do then.....Fight among yourselves, with noone gathering your Ore and materials or providing easy kills.......Sounds like fun ????

Can't really undertand how I can sit in a .5 belt, alone, in a ship with no guns, and have 2 or 3 Hobgoblin 1's orbitting me to stay perfectly safe.

There's no reason for belt rats. I can sit there and let the damn things shoot me with no worry.
NPC's need a serious beefing up in high sec, they're ******* ******** as it stands.

I'd like it if rats spawned in proportion to what player ships are in the system. Rookie ships get ignored, Ventures get the current belt rats, mining barges should attract bigger pirates.

You mean more risk-free isk and loot? Better to add some kind of mechanic to allow faction warfare gangs to come into enemy highsec space and kill everyone without invoking a Concord response. Collaborators from other races are no better than the race you're actually fighting against.

Can't we do this already?

Can't we do this already?

Can't we do this already?

Make faction warfare an actual war, not paintballing in the forest. When people go to war they dont say "Yeah get in there and kill everyone, but dont go to the highly populated regions, you best stay where there arnt many people, we dont want people getting hurt after all..."


It is yet pretty immersion destroying that war isnt really a war in Eve.

Nope, which is the stupid part,
I want to do raiding in hubs and economically disrupt the enemy!
Also destroy all the tasty tasty freighters that go around.

Most aren't held back by corporations like CONCORD either.. plus civilian targets are generally frowned upon, even in wars except by the cruelest and making FW apply to everyone would make multi-racial corps impossible as well as the concept of neutral parties to it. It would require a complete restructuring of the game. Even groups like Goons and TEST would have to be broken apart.

Most aren't held back by corporations like CONCORD either.. plus civilian targets are generally frowned upon, even in wars except by the cruelest and making FW apply to everyone would make multi-racial corps impossible as well as the concept of neutral parties to it. It would require a complete restructuring of the game. Even groups like Goons and TEST would have to be broken apart.

I don't think a lot of people realize this, probably even a lot that are actually involved.

Untill I looked at the rules of engagement tab, out of simple boredom, I had no idea that FW extended beyond Low sec. I thought joining the militia meant that you could participate in the FW sov mechanics in low sec.

Il use SWTOR as a example, Fantastic story, Fantastic leveling system. God awful PVP and absolutely no sandbox what so ever with a rinse repeat token grind at end game.....It failed, by failure it has around 30k - 60k active players on a daily basis....That number is the same for EVE....So make your assumptions.

Fact is with a solid PVE environment this game will attract 3 times as many players. And that is only a good thing in the long run.

I do not want Eve to ever be a fluffy bunny, no way at all, but making PVE a better place does not need to effect PVP in this game. And can only go to the game receiving more players which in turn means more money for development. I thouroghly agree with you on the 100k players coming in and complaining, but noone is asking CCP to make it hello kitty online. Just a bit more fun for the people trying to establish themselves in an MMO that caters to players with 5 year skill queues :-)

Joining a militia doesn't prevent you from joining a player run corp, sinse you can enter a militia as an individual, enter your entire corp, or enter your alliance.

The suggestion wouldn't break any of the player run corps, as they're entirely seperate from FW, if you want them to be.

Doesn't make the suggestion good though, it's still bad.

Human stupidity knows no limits...

Take you little spaceship, and fly it to a less safe area, they already exist in-game.

, but noone is asking CCP to make it hello kitty online. Just a bit more fun for the people trying to establish themselves in an MMO that caters to players with 5 year skill queues :-)

I think a lot of the reason that many Eve players do not embrace the challenge of PvP is not because they fear challenge, rather they hate the idea of being in a fight that they cannot win.

The bears hate the idea of being in a fight that they possibly lose.

The bears hate the idea of being in a fight that they possibly lose.

That is why my post wasnt a suggestion, more pointing out that from a storyline/immersion point of view FW is as dumb as hisec incursions are.

Very few hate fights they might lose. I've never seen someone pull out of a fight because they feel they might lose. Its when loss is extremely painful compared to the potential reward or when people feel they WILL lose that is when people pull back. No ifs ands or buts about it. There are exceptions, but its rare.

How about Concord invades Lowsec

How is it dumb from a storyline/ immersion perspective?

Obviously that's incredibly subjective.

Step 1: Join a player corp.

Step 2: Participate in that corp.

Step 3: Be less bored.

The whole uniniverse should get a "uniqueness" pass. Unique stations, diverse resources, little touches like storyline characters found leading navy patrols, or a constellation famed for having higher than average links to deep WH space... etc. I've always thought eve needed far more elements like this. COSMOS 2.0 if you will.

The bears hate the idea of being in a fight that they possibly lose.

I want to see:

Gurista really invade Caldari, Angel Cartel invade Minmatar space, Serpentis invade Gallente and Blood Raiders raid the hell out of Amarr space.

I want NPC rats blowing **** up!! I want to see NPC gate camps, station camps and obliterate unsuspecting miners. Im tired of seeing these cheesy rats in the belts.....so called "spies" and "scouts".

CCP, highsec as it stands right now is boring. Its too safe an area of the game. Dont nerf the rewards of carebears in highsec. Increase them. But make 0.5-0.7 systems more dangerous with good bounties for retaking systems. Good bounties for eliminating NPC gate and station camps. Give players a reason to escort freighters, protect miners and provide cover for mission runners to get out of station to go complete a

Freighters autopilot all throughout Empire without much risk. Miners afk in belts with only gankers to worry about. I want to see carebears band together to retake their home when the NPC pirates invade and make it as dangerous to leave station as if they were in lowsec or null. Carebears are good at one thing.....killing NPCs. So CCP, give them more **** to shoot at.

Have Sleepers hop in from that new k162 that spawned and start kiling players in hisec. Give players a reason to pay attention before undocking.

Have NPCs pod players too.

At least for a few months, have all the NPC pirate factions truly invade highsec so it affects EVERYONE who lives in 0.5-0.7 systems. Incursions are cool, but not dangerous enough. I want to see exploding pinatas in highsec. Make us all have to fight to defend our homes. Because right now, the highsec PvE is just too damn easy and boring. Some love PvE without the PvP. So give us more intense PvE in highsec.

Set highsec on fire!!!!!!!

Personally, I do PvE in order to fund my trips into lowsec where I inevitably die to battlecruisers.

PvE is LUDICROUSLY bad. I literally had a mission of "touch this pole, then this pole, then this pole, now this pole over here, one more pole and yay!". It's not just that it's bad money, it's that it's bad times, and it's tricky for a 1m SP character to solo PvP.

I think we could make all sides happy if we could get the PvE to be a better trainer for PvP.

The rats on level 1 missions do 2 DPS, and attack in small waves. Not only is this not challenging, and not fun, but it also does absolutely nothing to prepare me for PvPing in lowsec. I don't need any tank, and I don't need warp stabilizers because I can always run away if I do too many waves too fast.

(It also gives me rewards equal to the challenge).

I want PvE missions that are fun, challenging, have a risk of me losing my ship, and teach me skills that I can use in PvP.

(I also want a skill that lets me have a mini-fleet of like 2-5 people, so my friend and I can do tougher missions together without my spending three weeks studying leadership, but that's neither here nor there)

The bears hate the idea of being in a fight that they possibly lose.

Actually, it's about becoming someone's ePeen stat.
I'm new (just about a month of play time) and I've just been jumping around low sec just to see what's there...I really don't have much to lose but it's am....e PvPer's that rate strength of the killed target and show who is really PvPing and just ganking and have that in the sec status or as a title.

Anything in Eve is only as boring as you make it out to be.

Except missions. That is truly eye-gougingly boring.

Welcome to Eve Van. The players in lowsec who attack you are doing their best to be good Eve players.

Not risk free. Players should have to escort freighters and orcas. The invading NPCs should not be easy. They should be out for blood. hell i would like to see them bring in their own miners and start clearing belts. Make miners have to fight to get to use their belts. Have there be the possibility that Dodixie fall under the control and ownership of Serpentis. Throw the market in disarray because highsec isnt so safe anymore.

I guess that's what I don't understand being new to this game.

A "PvPer" chases a frigate to a station. Camps it until either the player logs for a good amount of time, dies or someone with an equal or better ship chases them off.

What is the "thinking" of this player?
It's fairly easy to recognize the new marks.
...and in most cases the new player either quits the game or dies and heads back and stays in high sec.

Its akin to killing all of the stocked fish before they are mature and then complaining when you're starving.

How is that being a good EVE player?

TBH, incursions in high sec are already pretty dumb.

Look, there are f'in NAVIES there, okay? Serpentis sacking Dodixie would make about as much sense as Somali pirates in Zodiacs staging an invasion of New York City.

High sec is supposed to be boring.

It is the place where we can (relatively) safely make lots and lots of ISK to buy PLEX to fund our accounts.

A corp like "brave newbies" would also be a great place to learn some things.

So, you exist to continue to exist? How depressing.

Actually, it's about becoming someone's ePeen stat.
I'm new (just about a month of play time) and I've just been jumping around low sec just to see what's there...I really don't have much to lose but it's amazing to see these "PvPers" going out of their way to try and run down unfitted frigates or even shuttles when there's plenty of comparable targets in the region.

I've lost a few ships so far (I'm learning) and when I check the kill stats...that's what some do on the PvP side...simply engage the PvE focused side of the player base for easy kills. I don't even have 2 mil SP and I'll have 5 year players chasing me across the system and camping a station just to get me. I don't get it, especially when I see comments like the above. If High Sec wasn't there, I would have left already.

And you wonder why new people hang in High sec.

I'd like to see a ranking system in EVE for the PvPer's that rate strength of the killed target and show who is really PvPing and just ganking and have that in the sec status or as a title.

That is not CCP's job.
It's yours.

You first. You say "the tools suck" and then spout off a bunch of misconceptions about the game and you wonder why you're bored.
The tools are there, they don't suck, and you don't have to leave highsec to have fun. A lot of us may have said to go to the more dangerous areas of space, but those are only fun if you like the added risk. Some people don't. There are plenty of other ways to have fun in this game.


No, it isn't. If PVE is all you want this isn't your game.
What we most definitely do not need is an influx of a hundred thousand players all coming for the PVE element, a large portion of whom will be crying that ganking in highsec should be against the rules, scamming should be against the rules, wardecs should be consensual, etc.

I entered this thread with every intention of saying the OP should do something interesting to make hi-sec interesting.

Having read some of the ideas, I agree that the game would be better with 'incursion-light' actions and gate camps from pirate factions and sleepers, including mining in belts etc.

Limiting to 0.5,0.6,0.7 sec will create new routes and islands that could become interesting but low-sec should surely get the same treatment or more, just without concord involved.

I know there's a lot of discussion about this elsewhere, who knows - could happen!

I want NPC rats blowing **** up!!

I want to see:

Gurista really invade Caldari, Angel Cartel invade Minmatar space, Serpentis invade Gallente and Blood Raiders raid the hell out of Amarr space.

I want NPC rats blowing **** up!! I want to see NPC gate camps, station camps and obliterate unsuspecting miners. Im tired of seeing these cheesy rats in the belts.....so called "spies" and "scouts".

CCP, highsec as it stands right now is boring. Its too safe an area of the game. Dont nerf the rewards of carebears in highsec. Increase them. But make 0.5-0.7 systems more dangerous with good bounties for retaking systems. Good bounties for eliminating NPC gate and station camps. Give players a reason to escort freighters, protect miners and provide cover for mission runners to get out of station to go complete a

Freighters autopilot all throughout Empire without much risk. Miners afk in belts with only gankers to worry about. I want to see carebears band together to retake their home when the NPC pirates invade and make it as dangerous to leave station as if they were in lowsec or null. Carebears are good at one thing.....killing NPCs. So CCP, give them more **** to shoot at.

Have Sleepers hop in from that new k162 that spawned and start kiling players in hisec. Give players a reason to pay attention before undocking.

Have NPCs pod players too.

At least for a few months, have all the NPC pirate factions truly invade highsec so it affects EVERYONE who lives in 0.5-0.7 systems. Incursions are cool, but not dangerous enough. I want to see exploding pinatas in highsec. Make us all have to fight to defend our homes. Because right now, the highsec PvE is just too damn easy and boring. Some love PvE without the PvP. So give us more intense PvE in highsec.

Set highsec on fire!!!!!!!