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Nice Hair Bro
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.22 15:28:00 -
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Call it challenge. Call it sociopathy. Don't ask why.
The rules are: You can rely only on yourself and the game itself to do... well, anything. So you cannot joing player corps. Or fleets. Or, most importantly, trade with other players. Or accept things from them. If you want something, you either get it yourself(from enemies/NPCs), make it yourself, or forget about it.
In most MMOs these rules result in minor inconvenience at best, but in EVE where 99% of the stuff on the market is player-made, it's a big friggin problem. I am trying to identify what framework do I have to work with with these limitations. Pretty much everything T2 seems to be out of the question, for example - I could invent it myself, but I couldn't get the required moongoo-based materials. Unless there is a way to get them that I do not know of?
And this is where you come in. It's not my first day in EVE but I am no way an expert on the game and there might be ways around I am simply not familiar with. For example, I've heard you can get some really random crap from exploration sites but I've never done exploration myself and I have little idea what that random crap is.
Feedback most welcome. Just imagine that, starting tommorow, you cannot buy anything from the Market. How would your EVE life look like then and how would you adjust?
(I apologize for posting this in New Citizens Q&A as I am not a "New Citizen" and this is quite obviously an alt. But I feel if I have any gameplay-related question they should be here as a) any passing-by New Citizen may read them and learn something and b) lol GD is for reading, not for posting) |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
504
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Posted - 2013.02.22 15:33:00 -
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Sounds awful.
Have fun going out of your way to not have fun. |
Ovv Topik
Proposition Thirteen
The Third Rail
303
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Posted - 2013.02.22 15:46:00 -
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Not sure why you're so hard line about it.
Recent info shows that most players in Eve are fairly solitary, but dont avoid player interaction or the market.
You don't have to directly speak to anyone to buy from them.
If you chill a bit and find a balance you'll do fine. But if you want to go ahead and avoid all contact, you're swimming against the tide in a virtual world which is designed to be as player driven as possible.
Why would you even want to be part of any MMO?
Wouldnt you be better with an offline game like 'X'?
As long as there's dudes left to kill, EVE is alive. |
Merouk Baas
573
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Posted - 2013.02.22 15:57:00 -
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Sorry, you can't rely on us for feedback.
YOU alone, remember?
No posting. |
Tialano Utrigas
Critical Mass Inc.
Nexus Fleet
7
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Posted - 2013.02.22 16:07:00 -
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T2 stuff is obviously out of the question.
Have fun spending tons of ISK on BPO's. |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
844
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Posted - 2013.02.22 16:12:00 -
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Tialano Utrigas wrote:T2 stuff is obviously out of the question.
Have fun spending tons of ISK on BPO's.
isk that have to come from shooting red crosses btw.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Tialano Utrigas
Critical Mass Inc.
Nexus Fleet
7
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Posted - 2013.02.22 16:23:00 -
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Daniel Plain wrote:Tialano Utrigas wrote:T2 stuff is obviously out of the question.
Have fun spending tons of ISK on BPO's. isk that have to come from shooting red crosses btw.
Thats not player interaction. I assume the OP meant he would interact with NPC's.
Otherwise the biomass button is that way
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Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
192
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Posted - 2013.02.22 16:27:00 -
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Tialano Utrigas wrote:T2 stuff is obviously out of the question.
Have fun spending tons of ISK on BPO's.
And mining in a Venture to get the minerals to build all of the stuff you need. Mining barge BPOs are NPC seeded in the Outer Ring and cost billions. That's a long haul to get a BPO to build your retriever. For that matter, mining in a Venture given to you by one of the NPC career agents, as those BPOs are also seeded out in the Outer Ring. Hope you don't get 12 of them blown up (or however many career agents you haven't done missions for) |
ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers
R O G U E
239
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Posted - 2013.02.22 16:37:00 -
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Nice Hair Bro wrote:Call it challenge. Call it sociopathy. Don't ask why.
The rules are: You can rely only on yourself and the game itself to do... well, anything. So you cannot joing player corps. Or fleets. Or, most importantly, trade with other players. Or accept things from them. If you want something, you either get it yourself(from enemies/NPCs), make it yourself, or forget about it.
In most MMOs these rules result in minor inconvenience at best, but in EVE where 99% of the stuff on the market is player-made, it's a big friggin problem. I am trying to identify what framework do I have to work with with these limitations. Pretty much everything T2 seems to be out of the question, for example - I could invent it myself, but I couldn't get the required moongoo-based materials. Unless there is a way to get them that I do not know of?
And this is where you come in. It's not my first day in EVE but I am no way an expert on the game and there might be ways around I am simply not familiar with. For example, I've heard you can get some really random crap from exploration sites but I've never done exploration myself and I have little idea what that random crap is.
Feedback most welcome. Just imagine that, starting tommorow, you cannot buy anything from the Market. How would your EVE life look like then and how would you adjust?
(I apologize for posting this in New Citizens Q&A as I am not a "New Citizen" and this is quite obviously an alt. But I feel if I have any gameplay-related question they should be here as a) any passing-by New Citizen may read them and learn something and b) lol GD is for reading, not for posting)
i guess you could get said moongoo from prying it out of folks holds as they transport it? |
Nice Hair Bro
State War Academy
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.02.22 17:43:00 -
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Merouk Baas wrote:Sorry, you can't rely on us for feedback.
YOU alone, remember?
No posting.
Touche.
Obviously, I cannot avoid interacting with people completely in any MMO, nor would I want to. Who would be the audience to my amazing exploits?
Quote:The market is a core in-game feature, not using it disables the game to the point of impossible to play, because the devs have not coded any alternatives. Most PVE activities give you items, not ISK, and it's assumed you trade them for ISK so you can buy the skills you need and the stuff you need. The loot in this game is definitely not tailored to you, like quest rewards are in other games.
In EVE, enemies drop random gear appropiate for the enemy that dropped it. Enemy frigates will drop frigate-sized modules, and Blood Raiders for example will drop Amarr modules where appropiate(i.e. small energy turrets as weapon drops and crystals as ammo). I actually doubt I will have to manufacture any combat T1 modules at all, since I'll be getting Meta as loot.
Quote:You won't be able to get isk without trading, and you won't be able to buy your skills without ISK, and you won't be able to do anything without skills.
Missions have ISK rewards, enemies have bounties on them. I'm told a very good L4 runner will earn up to 10 mil per hour; if I even manage a tenth of that, that's under 4 hours - one friday evening and then some - for the Battleship skillbook, which is the biggest ship I will have a chance of flying, and likely the most expensive skillbook I will ever buy(Since all the T2 skills are useless to me).
Also, look at it the other way - all I have to buy on the Market are skillbooks and few dozen T1 BPOs. I literally have no other use for ISK at all.
"Varius Xeral" wrote:Have fun going out of your way to not have fun.
Well, I try! |
Zanzbar
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
114
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Posted - 2013.02.22 17:46:00 -
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Most faction / deadspace equipment is as good if not better than t2 gear, however it will take quite a bit of solo grinding to get the lucky drops or the lp to buy it outright. The biggest problem for you is that for most categories t2 equip fills the spot as the highest quality gear that's still affordable leaving you with either gimped ships fitted with named mission loot, or ultra shiny ships that take forever to recoup a loss in.
If you absolutely must go full solo then get scrap metal reprocessing up asap so you can turn that loot that you don't want and refuse to sell into to minerals you can use. Also the grind standings for a corp that is part of the empire which the ships you fly are from, this way you can cash in loyalty points for nice gear that will match the type of ship your flying |
J'Poll
The Fiction Factory
Tribal Band
1908
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Posted - 2013.02.22 17:52:00 -
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Nice Hair Bro wrote:Call it challenge. Call it sociopathy. Don't ask why.
The rules are: You can rely only on yourself and the game itself to do... well, anything. So you cannot joing player corps. Or fleets. Or, most importantly, trade with other players. Or accept things from them. If you want something, you either get it yourself(from enemies/NPCs), make it yourself, or forget about it.
In most MMOs these rules result in minor inconvenience at best, but in EVE where 99% of the stuff on the market is player-made, it's a big friggin problem. I am trying to identify what framework do I have to work with with these limitations. Pretty much everything T2 seems to be out of the question, for example - I could invent it myself, but I couldn't get the required moongoo-based materials. Unless there is a way to get them that I do not know of?
And this is where you come in. It's not my first day in EVE but I am no way an expert on the game and there might be ways around I am simply not familiar with. For example, I've heard you can get some really random crap from exploration sites but I've never done exploration myself and I have little idea what that random crap is.
Feedback most welcome. Just imagine that, starting tommorow, you cannot buy anything from the Market. How would your EVE life look like then and how would you adjust?
(I apologize for posting this in New Citizens Q&A as I am not a "New Citizen" and this is quite obviously an alt. But I feel if I have any gameplay-related question they should be here as a) any passing-by New Citizen may read them and learn something and b) lol GD is for reading, not for posting)
By asking for help you already failed your goal...you are interacting with others.
As for playing 100% solo (so NO other players involved), stay docked l, log off, start a game from the X-serie and play a singleplayer game. |
Andres Talas
Occupational Hazzard
Get Off My Lawn
77
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Posted - 2013.02.23 05:56:00 -
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Tialano Utrigas wrote:T2 stuff is obviously out of the question.
Have fun spending tons of ISK on BPO's.
No, drops from player ships he blows up appears to be legal.
And as far as T2 goes, its theoretically possible that he could do the research and invention process himself.
*shrug* its a neat experiment. Lets see how he goes. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Universal Corporate Repossession Inc.
5954
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Posted - 2013.02.23 06:53:00 -
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Nice Hair Bro wrote:
Missions have ISK rewards, enemies have bounties on them. I'm told a very good L4 runner will earn up to 10 mil per hour
That's a poor return for running level 4's, the average is anywhere between 20 and 50 million an hour, depending on if you salvage or not and if you exchange your LP. I run 4's, bounty & agent rewards generally come in between 8-20 million per mission, salvage can vary between 3 and 35 million, and then you have the LP to ISK conversion, which in my case averages at about 1000-1500 isk per LP, depending on what I purchase from the LP store to sell in the local trade hub.
Eve in a nutshell, it's you vs the universe, and everybody in it. |
Zanzbar
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
114
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Posted - 2013.02.23 07:33:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Nice Hair Bro wrote:
Missions have ISK rewards, enemies have bounties on them. I'm told a very good L4 runner will earn up to 10 mil per hour
That's a poor return for running level 4's, the average is anywhere between 20 and 50 million an hour, depending on if you salvage or not and if you exchange your LP. I run 4's, bounty & agent rewards generally come in between 8-20 million per mission, salvage can vary between 3 and 35 million, and then you have the LP to ISK conversion, which in my case averages at about 1000-1500 isk per LP, depending on what I purchase from the LP store to sell in the local trade hub.
I'm sure the numbers stated were for just liquid assets from bounties, he's not selling anything on the market to turn the rest into isk remember?
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Jonah Gravenstein
Universal Corporate Repossession Inc.
5961
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Posted - 2013.02.23 07:56:00 -
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Ahhh my bad  , I seem to have suffered an ID-10-T error. I'm blaming 36 hours without sleep for that, insomnia sucks 
Eve in a nutshell, it's you vs the universe, and everybody in it. |
Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
The Fourth District
267
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Posted - 2013.02.23 09:40:00 -
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I have tried this a few times as a side project but every time it's failed due to the crazy amount of time you would have to invest to gain ISK for BPO's etc.
http://eost.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/what-is-eve-online-survival-test.html
That's my blog entry on it, if you have any question or want some tips send me a mail.
"Don't count on others for help. In the end each of us is in this alone. The survivors are those who know how to look out for themselves." |
MadMuppet
Three Fish In A Box
868
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Posted - 2013.02.23 14:37:00 -
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I have done something like this as well and you run in to several problems early on (although it was kind of cool to do).
Where do you get ships? If you build them then you need BPs, do you spend isk to buy BPCs or do you have to buy a BPO? Sure you get some freebie ships from the career agents, but then what?
Where do you get equipment? If used to be pretty easy to get guns and such off of mission loot, but after the nerf it got a lot harder. Ammo doesn't drop fast enough (unless you use lasers) so you need to build or buy it.
Obviously you need to buy skill books.
etc...
It comes down to either being extremely specific about the rules or you half-asset it. (
I mine in EVE because I'm too drunk to fish in WoW.-á |
Tractus Vesica
Dominatus Imperium
Legem Terrae.
8
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Posted - 2013.02.23 17:49:00 -
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So I dont get it, do you hate fun or just yourself?
Paranoia is the glue which holds 0.0 together. |
Bridgette d'Iberville
Better Killing Through Chemistry
156
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Posted - 2013.02.23 18:22:00 -
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It's not a ton of fun or anything, but you can also make money as a pirate shooting up NPC haulers and taking their loot, which you can then sell on the market to NPC buy orders (since they're all trade goods). It's a pretty terrible ISK/Hour ratio, but it's an option.
Lighting a cyno to my ladyparts, jump on in! |
Vortexo VonBrenner
Coldest Sea Sailing
The Honda Accord
39
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Posted - 2013.02.23 22:31:00 -
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See ya in GD OP...not really a NCQA thing, eh?
I'm listening to-áBj+¦rk, playing EVE, eating fishsticks, and I'm cold....this is immersion gaming. |
Takseen
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
274
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Posted - 2013.02.23 23:03:00 -
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Using http://myeveguide.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/eve-wtd.jpg as a base and excluding everything requiring player interaction, you can
-buy and sell NPC trade goods at a profit, or do courier missions
-buy BPOs from NPCs and manufacture T1 stuff using minerals you mined or melted down from npc loot drops
-set up a highsec Planetary Interaction colony, though you may not find much use for the materials produced
-explore wormholes and kill sleepers and take their stuff
-kill rats in anomalies, belts and combat missions. You could buy stuff from their LP store but any item that requires tags would be a pain in the ass.
-probe down cosmic signatures. Best ones are the combat sites that will drop faction gear you could use to upgrade from T1 or meta loot.
That's about it.
You'd probably want to set some overarching goal. Like building your own Orca from scratch, or completing the level 4 epic arc of your home empire with self-made/found items only. |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
1007
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Posted - 2013.02.23 23:19:00 -
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For the first month I played EvE I bought nothing but BPOs and skill books.
EvE Forum Bingo |
Herbinator d'Arcadie
Arkadian Knight
19
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Posted - 2013.02.24 05:47:00 -
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Harsh, man. The "market" is impersonal. You should give yourself that, at least.
Just form your own corporation and play solo. Works for me.
No need to talk to anyone. Except maybe carrying around a bottle of the rarest wine ... to sweet-talk the prettiest girls by container-light.
Oscillate all EVE systems (-1.0-áthrough 1.0, and back) over a ten year period; modified +/- by # of pod kills. Disentrench the older players! Improve game dynamic.
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Diesel47
Bad Men Ltd.
497
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Posted - 2013.02.24 08:06:00 -
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"you either get it yourself(from enemies"
How about forcing another player to eject from their ship by ransom?
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Psychotic Monk
The Skunkworks
758
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Posted - 2013.02.24 08:09:00 -
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I think this is hilarious and excellent.
When someone finds some way to suprise pvp you or demand a ransom or whatever, what's your stance on that re: interaction?
Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Have a blog, if you care. |
Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
164
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Posted - 2013.02.24 08:40:00 -
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Vortexo VonBrenner wrote:...not really a NCQA thing, eh?
How could it possibly be anything else? |
J'Poll
The Fiction Factory
Tribal Band
1913
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Posted - 2013.02.24 14:13:00 -
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Diesel47 wrote:"you either get it yourself(from enemies"
How about forcing another player to eject from their ship by ransom?
Ransoming another player = player interaction and thus not allowed. |
Piugattuk
Lima beans Corp
356
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Posted - 2013.02.24 15:12:00 -
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Without trolling here's your simple answer;
The amount of things in eve to build are overwhelming especially a no skill/low skill non indy player.
Secondly ;
This game is primarily PVP focused and PVE secondary, as a miner, indy im ok with going out to gather my needs but even I wouldn't want to spend that much time gathering and a primarily PVP focused player certainly won't. |
Nice Hair Bro
State War Academy
Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2013.02.24 18:52:00 -
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Cool stuff, I'll check it out.
"MadMuppet" wrote:I have done something like this as well and you run in to several problems early on (although it was kind of cool to do).
Where do you get ships? If you build them then you need BPs, do you spend isk to buy BPCs or do you have to buy a BPO? Sure you get some freebie ships from the career agents, but then what?
A handful of frigates and a destroyer from the career agents should be enough to get my first BPO. Punisher Blueprint is seeded at 2,587,500 ISK - hardly an impossible amount of money, even for a new character. And once I have that, I have my foot in the door so to speak.
Quote:Where do you get equipment? If used to be pretty easy to get guns and such off of mission loot, but after the nerf it got a lot harder. Ammo doesn't drop fast enough (unless you use lasers) so you need to build or buy it.
Guess why I'm going Amarr? T1 lasers never break. As for the corp, I'll go with SoE since it's so easy to get high standings with them thanks to the Epic Arc. Will set up in Simela, 1-3 sec SoE agents there, plus plenty of 0.5 systems in the vicinity to rat in. First month's gonna be grinding Refinery and Refinery Efficiency to 5 so I can get 95% efficiency at 6.67 loyalty. With some luck, I'll hardly have to do any mining at all, since I'll be looting and refining everything from rats.
If I will have to do some mining, I will have two Ventures I believe(someone correct me on the exact amount you get from the tutorials), and their BPOs seem to be actually seeded in... Jita? I'll never need anything bigger since I'm only mining for myself. Full ore bay of regular Veldspar in Venture refines into what, 150k Tritanium? That's enough for a cruiser, or several Ventures.
Rarer ores - again, refining, or I could try to have Wormhole Adventures.
"Psychotic Monk" wrote:When someone finds some way to suprise pvp you or demand a ransom or whatever, what's your stance on that re: interaction?
Well if I get ganked I get ganked so that's it - it's not like I gained anything from another player, is it? The real problem is wardecs(I'll be going "solo corp" to maximize ISK gain). By the way: the solo playstyle doesn't prevent me from trying to blow other people up, I just can't loot their wrecks afterwards.
And to clarify: I am not really a sociopath, I actually enjoy socializing in MMOs, and I plan on talking to people in local, rookie, etc. chats in the game when doing the solo challenge. Hell, if I get the chance I'll even try and help some noobs out, i.e. with Dagan and whatnot. It's not "**** everyone" gameplay, it's "DIY" gameplay, there's a difference. |
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