BF2 is different .
B) Its war, there is no morals in war. Only the most savage will triumph.

GǪso it's actually the same as EVE (and chess) then?

BF2 is different .
B) Its war, there is no morals in war. Only the most savage will triumph.

Before I answer the next question.
I would like YOU to answer mine

Do you believe in times of anarchy , one can do whatever he wants ,including pillaging , rap_E and extortion .... and the one with the biggest stick makes the rules?

Pirates are NOT at war with the indies.
IF war is declared , I don't CARE if they lose 2bil worth of implants or lose a titan.

They're shooting at you. If you don't think you're at war, you're pretty unobservant.

At war as in , OFFICIALLY and CONCORD certified WAR

btw ,you still haven't answered my question

for?

Pirates are NOT at war with the indies.

IF war is declared , I don't CARE if they lose 2bil worth of implants or lose a titan.

B) Its war, there is no morals in war. Only the most savage will triumph.

Why are butt pirates butt pirates?

Almost skipped right over this gem.

Do you mean to say that there is no applicable morality in RL war, or just in-game war?

If just in game war, why are you trying to claim that EVE is an exception?
If RL war as well, what's all this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hague_Conventions_of_1899_and_1907
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_Conventions
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_war

bf3 is a fps game and eve is a mmo not the same kind of pvp fps game pvp reflex and skill at aiming



eve pvp time and isk and in the end mmo pvp is not real pvp it is a type of pvp for poeple with slow reflexs


no game like eve so no way to say this are that game is like are not like eve are the same as eve .

Enjoy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bataan_Death_March
http://www.khaleejtimes.com/displayarticle.asp?xfile=data/middleeast/2013/February/middleeast_February325.xml&section=middleeast&col=

Many more
So much to reply to

Of course they are. EVE is a PvP game, and the universe is a warzone.

Since people have problems separating real world and game, I suppose it's only appropriate to point out that wars being declared went out of fashion a century agoGǪ

BF2 and chess are just like EVE: games about conflict. Wardecs are just one mechanic to produce a very specific conflict within the mechanics of the game, ever so slightly altering the rule set for that conflict. It's about the same as pulling out your knife in BF2 and goading your opponent into having a duel with you (before both of you get sniped). People performing actions that conflict with yours is what it's all about and has absolutely nothing to do with morals.

Also, the reason BF2 is different is because it's a game GÇö there are plenty of moral in real wars. The lack of same morality in the game is because it's a gameGǪ same as EVE and chess.

Are you saying those weren't/aren't morally wrong?

For not being able to discern between reality and game. I don't to play with you, your views are worrying and I have a right to be safe IRL from mentally unstable internet stalkers who can't handle spaceship pixel losses.

My character blows up an industrial flown by your character. My character faces the consequences and possible rewards. What these are depend on circumstances, but they should never reach my physical person. If you do not understand these rules, GMs should remove you from the game.

Those ARE morally wrong .

Then why did you bring them up? You were the one claiming that there was no applicable morality in war (either limited to IG or not). I was pointing out that there does appear to be widely accepted rules for conducting morally defensible warfare.

Since you're now saying that there is no applicable morality in in-game warfare only, why do you think EVE (a game) is different from all other games? Why do you think that actions in EVE, unlike actions in any other game, have moral significance?

Note on the "war mechanics"

Please do educate yourself on the definition of WAR and low sec ganking within the context of this game

Industrials are squishy targets, and great for hampering an alliance's ability to make ISK.

As soon as you undock, you consent to the possibility of being shot at. As soon as you jump into lowsec, you consent to the very high chance of being shot at.
As soon as you jump into nullsec, you consent to the certainty of losing your ship AND your pod. Nothing I have taken into null has survived the experience, and I took nothing there I couldn't afford to lose anyway.
As for wormholes, you may as well just be hitting the self-destruct button. There's the locals, the sleepers, and then you've got to find your way out.

Welcome to EVE. Tank your goddamn ship, don't fly what you can't afford to lose, don't trust anybody you can't punch in the face, and have a nice day.

The IG mechanical names for things are not relavent to the question at hand:

Why do you think that actions in EVE, unlike actions in any other game, have moral significance? Or, if you don't think that, what set of actions in what set of games do you think do have moral significance and why?

the difference being .

BF2 , Starcraft , and many other games have CLEAR cut enemy and foe classifications .
You are there to KILL your enenmy to win.
Its a single route game.

In here ,EVE is a SANDBOX

Those ARE morally wrong .

You should be banned.

GǪand in being one, you are always in conflict with everyone in every way. In those other games, not killing the enemy is also a valid choice. You are there to win, which you can do in any number of ways. EVE being a sandbox just means that there are even more ways to do that. So the distinction you're making doesn't really exist GÇö especially not on any kind of moral level. Game of conflict is game of conflict is game of conflict.

GǪwhich means you're wrong, and which just further highlights the difference between game and real life, even when we're talking about game wars and real wars.

GǪexcept that the same choice exists in all games of conflict.

Not necessarily , within a sandbox you can CHOOSE to be part of something bigger and build a home away from home deep within null sec or in a WH where you build a self sufficient community of tight knit pilots.

However , piracy , is not.
Its draconian and primal.

We as HUMANS , show COMPASSION towards those who are not as well armed or well versed as those before us.