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Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham
Industrial Technonauts
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Posted - 2013.02.24 11:05:00 -
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WHY?
But seriously , what kind of satisfaction do they get from killing indies who can't shoot back??
And most importantly , BLUE ALTS!
What is happening in the mind of the indy shooters and AWOXERS???
Brass shines as fair to the ignorant as gold to the goldsmiths.
-Elizabeth I
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bufnitza calatoare
Nex Angelus.
Unclaimed.
69
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Posted - 2013.02.24 11:06:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:WHY?But seriously , what kind of satisfaction do they get from killing indies and most importantly , BLUES . What is happening in the mind of the indy shooters and AWOXERS???
coz they are teh ghey? |
March rabbit
player corp n1
561
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Posted - 2013.02.24 11:07:00 -
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- bad day at school.
- teacher punished for bad homework.
- parents didn't buy lollipop.
- gf has "special days"
- add your variant
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Jules Wynnfield
MicroPush
Push Interstellar Network
5
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Posted - 2013.02.24 11:09:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:- bad day at school.
- teacher punished for bad homework.
- parents didn't buy lollipop.
- gf has "special days"
- add your variant
You forgot to add:
'Welcome to EVE, have a nice day"...
GÖ½ When I think about you, I touch myself GÖ½-á- Divinyls 1991 |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2851
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Posted - 2013.02.24 11:10:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:WHY?But seriously , what kind of satisfaction do they get from killing indies who can't shoot back?? And most importantly , BLUE ALTS! What is happening in the mind of the indy shooters and AWOXERS???
Entertainment
Causing damage to your enemies
Profit
Delight in causing discord (a decent AWOXing romp will get corps kicked from alliances).
Take your pick
This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
March rabbit
player corp n1
561
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Posted - 2013.02.24 11:13:00 -
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Jules Wynnfield wrote:March rabbit wrote:- bad day at school.
- teacher punished for bad homework.
- parents didn't buy lollipop.
- gf has "special days"
- add your variant
You forgot to add: 'Welcome to EVE, have a nice day"...
don't agree. people ARE NOT NPC. they can use excuses "don't blame people, blame the game" but this is for stupid.
You always have options. And choice is your. Unless you are NPC. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Universal Corporate Repossession Inc.
5998
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Posted - 2013.02.24 11:14:00 -
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Does the day have a vowel in it?
Do I want to ruin someone's day?
Eve in a nutshell, it's you vs the universe, and everybody in it. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2851
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Posted - 2013.02.24 11:18:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:Jules Wynnfield wrote:March rabbit wrote:- bad day at school.
- teacher punished for bad homework.
- parents didn't buy lollipop.
- gf has "special days"
- add your variant
You forgot to add: 'Welcome to EVE, have a nice day"... don't agree. people ARE NOT NPC. they can use excuses "don't blame people, blame the game" but this is for stupid. You always have options. And choice is your. Unless you are NPC.
I'm usually the most space-violent when I'm having a good day.
My parents were very good to me growing up.
Red Wings: Best Wings.
Welcome to EVE: Ganking your Hauler is the moral equivalent to taking a pawn in Chess.
This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham
Industrial Technonauts
787
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Posted - 2013.02.24 11:19:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Ivy Romanova wrote:WHY?But seriously , what kind of satisfaction do they get from killing indies who can't shoot back?? And most importantly , BLUE ALTS! What is happening in the mind of the indy shooters and AWOXERS??? Entertainment Causing damage to your enemies Profit Delight in causing discord (a decent AWOXing romp will get corps kicked from alliances). Take your pick
The anonymity of EvE has this problem ...
Now only if ALL accounts are binding towards a credit card , and upon request of the corp and authorization of the account holder , the person's name would be visible to the CEO ....
Brass shines as fair to the ignorant as gold to the goldsmiths.
-Elizabeth I
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Roime
Shiva Furnace
2064
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Posted - 2013.02.24 11:20:00 -
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Industrials can have candy inside?
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |
Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham
Industrial Technonauts
787
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Posted - 2013.02.24 11:20:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:March rabbit wrote:Jules Wynnfield wrote:March rabbit wrote:- bad day at school.
- teacher punished for bad homework.
- parents didn't buy lollipop.
- gf has "special days"
- add your variant
You forgot to add: 'Welcome to EVE, have a nice day"... don't agree. people ARE NOT NPC. they can use excuses "don't blame people, blame the game" but this is for stupid. You always have options. And choice is your. Unless you are NPC. I'm usually the most space-violent when I'm having a good day. My parents were very good to me growing up. Red Wings: Best Wings. Welcome to EVE: Ganking your Hauler is the moral equivalent to taking a pawn in Chess.
Hauler ganking ...
Shooting at someone helpless.
I can hear your peniz deflating
Brass shines as fair to the ignorant as gold to the goldsmiths.
-Elizabeth I
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RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2851
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Posted - 2013.02.24 11:21:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:
Hauler ganking ...
Shooting at someone helpless.
I can hear your peniz deflating
*Who chooses to make themselves helpless. And a Pinata.
Important part, that.
This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
12992
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Posted - 2013.02.24 11:22:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Welcome to EVE: Ganking your Hauler is the moral equivalent to taking a pawn in Chess. You're seriously underestimating how devastating it is to lose a pawn in chessGǪ
Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2851
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Posted - 2013.02.24 11:23:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:The anonymity of EvE has this problem ...
Now only if ALL accounts are binding towards a credit card , and upon request of the corp and authorization of the account holder , the person's name would be visible to the CEO ....
You're suggesting that you should be able to harass people in real life over what happens in a game?
And you think the gankers have issues... 
This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham
Industrial Technonauts
787
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Posted - 2013.02.24 11:24:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Ivy Romanova wrote:
Hauler ganking ...
Shooting at someone helpless.
I can hear your peniz deflating
*Who chooses to make themselves helpless. And a Pinata. Important part, that.
You know.... what one does when his true identity is anonymous reflects a lot on their true personality.
Do you believe in times of anarchy , one can do whatever he wants ,including pillaging , **** and extortion .... and the one with the biggest stick makes the rules?
Brass shines as fair to the ignorant as gold to the goldsmiths.
-Elizabeth I
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March rabbit
player corp n1
561
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Posted - 2013.02.24 11:24:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:March rabbit wrote:Jules Wynnfield wrote:March rabbit wrote:- bad day at school.
- teacher punished for bad homework.
- parents didn't buy lollipop.
- gf has "special days"
- add your variant
You forgot to add: 'Welcome to EVE, have a nice day"... don't agree. people ARE NOT NPC. they can use excuses "don't blame people, blame the game" but this is for stupid. You always have options. And choice is your. Unless you are NPC. I'm usually the most space-violent when I'm having a good day. My parents were very good to me growing up.
yea. i know many people whose parents "were very good".... 
psychology can tell a lot about it |
Emma d'Acques
Vault Asset Management
28
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Posted - 2013.02.24 11:25:00 -
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***** and giggles?
I'm not totally useless, I can be used as a bad example. |
March rabbit
player corp n1
561
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Posted - 2013.02.24 11:26:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Ivy Romanova wrote:
Hauler ganking ...
Shooting at someone helpless.
I can hear your peniz deflating
*Who chooses to make themselves helpless. And a Pinata. Important part, that.
this is why i say "people and NPC"
blame the game, not NPC (c) NPC
replace "NPC" with "players". see any difference?  |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2852
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Posted - 2013.02.24 11:27:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:You know.... what one does when his true identity is anonymous reflects a lot on their true personality.
Do you believe in times of anarchy , one can do whatever he wants ,including pillaging , **** and extortion .... and the one with the biggest stick makes the rules?
I believe that, when playing chess against someone else who is playing chess, I am perfectly within my rights to take their pawn.
I believe that, when playing a game, you can play that game however you like within the bounds of the rules of the game. If you don't like the rules of EVE, or cannot notice the distinction between an internet spaceship game and real life, I would suggest you not play EVE.
This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham
Industrial Technonauts
787
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Posted - 2013.02.24 11:29:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Ivy Romanova wrote:The anonymity of EvE has this problem ...
Now only if ALL accounts are binding towards a credit card , and upon request of the corp and authorization of the account holder , the person's name would be visible to the CEO .... You're suggesting that you should be able to harass people in real life over what happens in a game? And you think the gankers have issues...
Actually no.
I think every person should be held responsible for what he does.
That anonymity and that severance from one's real life identity destroyed that system and those who are intrinsically predators on the weak but are held back by social pressure in real life unleashes their ugly face on the honorable and those trying to make a honest living.
THAT must change.
You will ALWAYS have the option to opt out of such scheme, but if you're not willing to face the consequences and the legacy you'll left behind from your actions.
I say you're a coward
Brass shines as fair to the ignorant as gold to the goldsmiths.
-Elizabeth I
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RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
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Posted - 2013.02.24 11:37:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:Actually no.
I think every person should be held responsible for what he does.
That anonymity and that severance from one's real life identity destroyed that system and those who are intrinsically predators on the weak but are held back by social pressure in real life unleashes their ugly face on the honorable and those trying to make a honest living.
THAT must change.
You will ALWAYS have the option to opt out of such scheme, but if you're not willing to face the consequences and the legacy you'll left behind from your actions.
I say you're a coward
So... you're saying that what I do in a game should have an impact on my real life? And you're suggesting that that impact come from other players in the game.
In what way is that not asking for the ability to harass people in real life over what happens in a game?
Remember, and I feel like you need this told to you multiple times (possibly by a licensed psychologist), EVE Online is a game, in the exact same way Chess is a game. Actions in EVE have the exact same moral significance as actions in a game of Chess.
This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
Kathern Aurilen
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Posted - 2013.02.24 11:44:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Ivy Romanova wrote:The anonymity of EvE has this problem ...
Now only if ALL accounts are binding towards a credit card , and upon request of the corp and authorization of the account holder , the person's name would be visible to the CEO .... You're suggesting that you should be able to harass people in real life over what happens in a game? And you think the gankers have issues... No... I would rather harass ur money making alt if u like picking on indys
No cuts, no butts, no cocanuts!
Forum alt, unskilled in the was of pewpew! |
Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham
Industrial Technonauts
787
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Posted - 2013.02.24 11:44:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Ivy Romanova wrote:Actually no.
I think every person should be held responsible for what he does.
That anonymity and that severance from one's real life identity destroyed that system and those who are intrinsically predators on the weak but are held back by social pressure in real life unleashes their ugly face on the honorable and those trying to make a honest living.
THAT must change.
You will ALWAYS have the option to opt out of such scheme, but if you're not willing to face the consequences and the legacy you'll left behind from your actions.
I say you're a coward So... you're saying that what I do in a game should have an impact on my real life? And you're suggesting that that impact come from other players in the game. In what way is that not asking for the ability to harass people in real life over what happens in a game? Remember, and I feel like you need this told to you multiple times (possibly by a licensed psychologist), EVE Online is a game, in the exact same way Chess is a game. Actions in EVE have the exact same moral significance as actions in a game of Chess.
Not exactly.
What I am suggesting is accountability , the PERSON behind the toon should be responsible for the acts , precarious liability should be exercised .
THATS the only way order can be resumed .
An alternative would be to revamp the alt system , similar to the banking account .
You may have a saving account , a current account , a time deposit account, but in the end . Its down to the person behind it.
Can be an alias if you want.
Combat in low sec is NOT a problem, but dishonorable acts is.
EvE is a sandbox , so no mechanism should STOP you from doing such, but as it is a SANDBOX, the person should face the consequences
Brass shines as fair to the ignorant as gold to the goldsmiths.
-Elizabeth I
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Forum Clone 77777
State War Academy
Caldari State
59
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Posted - 2013.02.24 11:45:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:
The anonymity of EvE has this problem ...
Now only if ALL accounts are binding towards a credit card , and upon request of the corp and authorization of the account holder , the person's name would be visible to the CEO ....
Because **** privacy amirite? You might also want to have the CEO be able to see the address, I mean.. WHY NOT?
Stupid is at an all time high.. |
Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham
Industrial Technonauts
787
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Posted - 2013.02.24 11:48:00 -
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Forum Clone 77777 wrote:Ivy Romanova wrote:
The anonymity of EvE has this problem ...
Now only if ALL accounts are binding towards a credit card , and upon request of the corp and authorization of the account holder , the person's name would be visible to the CEO ....
Because **** privacy amirite? You might also want to have the CEO be able to see the address, I mean.. WHY NOT? Stupid is at an all time high..
An alternative would be to revamp the alt system , similar to the banking account .
You may have a saving account , a current account , a time deposit account, but in the end . Its down to the person behind it.
Can be an alias if you want.
Also , you can opt out of it
Brass shines as fair to the ignorant as gold to the goldsmiths.
-Elizabeth I
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Primary Me
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
19
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Posted - 2013.02.24 11:49:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:THATS the only way order can be resumed .
In what way has order been disrupted?
Why is it immoral to kill a hauler?
James 315 for CSM 8. A voice for hi-sec, a voice for reason. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2852
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Posted - 2013.02.24 11:51:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:Not exactly.
What I am suggesting is accountability , the PERSON behind the toon should be responsible for the acts , precarious liability should be exercised .
THATS the only way order can be resumed .
An alternative would be to revamp the alt system , similar to the banking account .
You may have a saving account , a current account , a time deposit account, but in the end . Its down to the person behind it.
Can be an alias if you want.
To whom should they be responsible?
I am responsible for every action that I perform. Some actions have moral significance (if I were to shoot someone IRL), some do not (if I were to shoot someone in a game that allows shooting people). Why should some random nutjob from an internet spaceship game be allowed to disrupt my real life (an action with moral (and legal) significance) because of actions I made in game (having no moral significance)?
Do you think that someone shooting you in the face in BF2 is taking an action that
a) Has moral significance or
b) does not have moral significance?
If a) Why does an action in a game have moral significance? Why does taking a pawn have moral significance?
If b) Why is shooting your ship in EVE difference?
This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham
Industrial Technonauts
787
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Posted - 2013.02.24 11:59:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Ivy Romanova wrote:Not exactly.
What I am suggesting is accountability , the PERSON behind the toon should be responsible for the acts , precarious liability should be exercised .
THATS the only way order can be resumed .
An alternative would be to revamp the alt system , similar to the banking account .
You may have a saving account , a current account , a time deposit account, but in the end . Its down to the person behind it.
Can be an alias if you want. To whom should they be responsible? I am responsible for every action that I perform. Some actions have moral significance (if I were to shoot someone IRL), some do not (if I were to shoot someone in a game that allows shooting people). Why should some random nutjob from an internet spaceship game be allowed to disrupt my real life (an action with moral (and legal) significance) because of actions I made in game (having no moral significance)? Do you think that someone shooting you in the face in BF2 is taking an action that a) Has moral significance or b) does not have moral significance? If a) Why does an action in a game have moral significance? Why does taking a pawn have moral significance? If b) Why is shooting your ship in EVE difference?
BF2 is different .
B) Its war, there is no morals in war. Only the most savage will triumph.
Before I answer the next question.
I would like YOU to answer mine
Do you believe in times of anarchy , one can do whatever he wants ,including pillaging , rap_E and extortion .... and the one with the biggest stick makes the rules?
Brass shines as fair to the ignorant as gold to the goldsmiths.
-Elizabeth I
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Roime
Shiva Furnace
2064
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Posted - 2013.02.24 12:17:00 -
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You should be banned.
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |
Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham
Industrial Technonauts
787
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Posted - 2013.02.24 12:18:00 -
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Roime wrote:You should be banned.
for?
Brass shines as fair to the ignorant as gold to the goldsmiths.
-Elizabeth I
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