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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2514
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Posted - 2013.02.25 16:31:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:RubyPorto wrote:So... you're saying that what I do in a game should have an impact on my real life? And you're suggesting that that impact come from other players in the game.
In what way is that not asking for the ability to harass people in real life over what happens in a game?
Remember, and I feel like you need this told to you multiple times (possibly by a licensed psychologist), EVE Online is a game, in the exact same way Chess is a game. Actions in EVE have the exact same moral significance as actions in a game of Chess. Not exactly. What I am suggesting is accountability , the PERSON behind the toon should be responsible for the acts
TL;DR
You want to harass people in real life because of what they do in a game.
Apparently booking your flight & accomodation to Iceland BEFORE you buy the tickets for the convention which is pretty much the only reason you wanted to go there in the first place is popular. |

Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham Industrial Technonauts
802
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Posted - 2013.02.25 18:18:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Ivy Romanova wrote:RubyPorto wrote:So... you're saying that what I do in a game should have an impact on my real life? And you're suggesting that that impact come from other players in the game.
In what way is that not asking for the ability to harass people in real life over what happens in a game?
Remember, and I feel like you need this told to you multiple times (possibly by a licensed psychologist), EVE Online is a game, in the exact same way Chess is a game. Actions in EVE have the exact same moral significance as actions in a game of Chess. Not exactly. What I am suggesting is accountability , the PERSON behind the toon should be responsible for the acts TL;DR You want to harass people in real life because of what they do in a game.
No , you missed everthing. Its to link all alts and main to a centraol ROOT account which can be traced via API , so people can see what sort of alter ego you're fielding and judge your psychological profile adequately. Thus making the person behind the account accountable for the actions instead of the toon. The root account name can be an alias . Brass shines as fair to the ignorant as gold to the goldsmiths. -Elizabeth I
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Psychotic Monk
The Skunkworks
766
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Posted - 2013.02.25 18:46:00 -
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Whim Aqayn wrote:Disregarding suicide ganks, piracy in the original sense of the word is pretty much impossible at the moment. In high sec the only way to kill someone is to suicide gank or to trick them into getting a suspect flag (don't know if that's still possible, haven't bothered with it in a while). In low sec, there's simply no targets. Low sec is not profitable enough to warrant the risk associated with doing PvE there so it's pretty much become a circle jerk for gang PvP, which most of the time is consensual.
Without meaning to derail, I respectfully disagree. My friends and I make a fine income through various nefarious highsec methods. Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Have a blog, if you care. |

Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
2172
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Posted - 2013.02.25 18:57:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Ivy Romanova wrote: Hauler ganking ... Shooting at someone helpless. I can hear your peniz deflating
*Who chooses to make themselves helpless. And a Pinata. Important part, that. You know.... what one does when his true identity is anonymous reflects a lot on their true personality. Do you believe in times of anarchy , one can do whatever he wants ,including pillaging , **** and extortion .... and the one with the biggest stick makes the rules? These situations are real.
Eve is imaginary.
This has nothing to do with anonymity muppet. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |

baltec1
Bat Country
5435
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Posted - 2013.02.25 18:57:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:
No , you missed everthing. Its to link all alts and main to a centraol ROOT account which can be traced via API , so people can see what sort of alter ego you're fielding and judge your psychological profile adequately. Thus making the person behind the account accountable for the actions instead of the toon. The root account name can be an alias .
So you want the RL address of the guy who just ganked you in a game so you can stalk them?
What sort of twisted person are you? |

Frank Millar
115
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Posted - 2013.02.25 19:40:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:No , you missed everthing. Its to link all alts and main to a centraol ROOT account which can be traced via API , so people can see what sort of alter ego you're fielding and judge your psychological profile adequately. Thus making the person behind the account accountable for the actions instead of the toon. The root account name can be an alias . wat |

CompleteFailure
Polaris Rising Gentlemen's Agreement
16
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Posted - 2013.02.25 22:14:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:indies who can't shoot back???
False. Industrialists are just as capable of shooting people as the ones who shoot them. Try again. |

RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2886
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Posted - 2013.02.25 22:58:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Ivy Romanova wrote:Not exactly. What I am suggesting is accountability , the PERSON behind the toon should be responsible for the acts TL;DR You want to harass people in real life because of what they do in a game. No , you missed everthing. Its to link all alts and main to a centraol ROOT account which can be traced via API , so people can see what sort of alter ego you're fielding and judge your psychological profile adequately. Thus making the person behind the account accountable for the actions instead of the toon. The root account name can be an alias .
No, he's just ignoring the part where you went back to edit your posts to (badly) hide the fact that that is exactly what you were calling for.
And, even with the edits, you are trying to entirely remove the possibility of spying effectively. All to... what? You don't get the API of people who kill you in killmails, so haulers aren't going to gain any new information. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |

Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham Industrial Technonauts
803
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Posted - 2013.02.25 23:32:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Ivy Romanova wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Ivy Romanova wrote:Not exactly. What I am suggesting is accountability , the PERSON behind the toon should be responsible for the acts TL;DR You want to harass people in real life because of what they do in a game. No , you missed everthing. Its to link all alts and main to a centraol ROOT account which can be traced via API , so people can see what sort of alter ego you're fielding and judge your psychological profile adequately. Thus making the person behind the account accountable for the actions instead of the toon. The root account name can be an alias . No, he's just ignoring the part where you went back to edit your posts to (badly) hide the fact that that is exactly what you were calling for. And, even with the edits, you are trying to entirely remove the possibility of spying effectively. All to... what? You don't get the API of people who kill you in killmails, so haulers aren't going to gain any new information.
That's because I was wrong on quite a few accounts and I corrected my posts as I rethink my statements and is corrected by various people in the post? With the API key problem. Yes , yes you do. You provide API key to a killboard or battleflinic , chances are you'll end up on griefer watch some way or another Brass shines as fair to the ignorant as gold to the goldsmiths. -Elizabeth I
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The CandyGirl
the unified Negative Ten.
40
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Posted - 2013.02.25 23:35:00 -
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Tears.
Watching really stupid people fail at hotdropping.
Tears
Threads like this |

FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
2887
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Posted - 2013.02.25 23:41:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:That anonymity and that severance from one's real life identity destroyed that system and those who are intrinsically predators on the weak but are held back by social pressure in real life unleashes their ugly face on the honorable and those trying to make a honest living.
THAT must change.
You will ALWAYS have the option to opt out of such scheme, but if you're not willing to face the consequences and the legacy you'll left behind from your actions.
I say you're a coward
And what happens when you don't do anything wrong and someone comes after you anyway? You could...I dunno...KNOW a guy who did a bad thing to someone, and because that someone can't get at the people who actually did the bad thing, he comes after you instead. Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement. |

Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham Industrial Technonauts
803
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Posted - 2013.02.26 00:25:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Ivy Romanova wrote:That anonymity and that severance from one's real life identity destroyed that system and those who are intrinsically predators on the weak but are held back by social pressure in real life unleashes their ugly face on the honorable and those trying to make a honest living.
THAT must change.
You will ALWAYS have the option to opt out of such scheme, but if you're not willing to face the consequences and the legacy you'll left behind from your actions.
I say you're a coward And what happens when you don't do anything wrong and someone comes after you anyway? You could...I dunno...KNOW a guy who did a bad thing to someone, and because that someone can't get at the people who actually did the bad thing, he comes after you instead.
This is eve , we aren't here to STOP people from doing certain things , we are here to provide the consequences.
And about those who said EvE and real life psychology isn't connected.
It is , its provides insight to yourself. What sort of person would you be when rules of society no longer constrain your mortal flesh and you become a demigod.
Brass shines as fair to the ignorant as gold to the goldsmiths. -Elizabeth I
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Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham Industrial Technonauts
803
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Posted - 2013.02.26 00:29:00 -
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The CandyGirl wrote:Tears.
Watching really stupid people fail at hotdropping.
Tears
Threads like this
Hotsldropping Is A PERFECTLY LEGIT method of combat and has my losses from such have no relevance to this. On a side note , I am very careful with my industrial ships , so no. This thread isn'tfrom my hatred towards pirates , its from my bewilderment and reflection on my recent life in piracy. Brass shines as fair to the ignorant as gold to the goldsmiths. -Elizabeth I
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Leper ofBacon
HELP GRANDMA SMASH HER LEGS IN
3
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Posted - 2013.02.26 00:44:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:The CandyGirl wrote:Tears.
Watching really stupid people fail at hotdropping.
Tears
Threads like this Hotsldropping Is A PERFECTLY LEGIT method of combat and has my losses from such have no relevance to this. On a side note , I am very careful with my industrial ships , so no. This thread isn'tfrom my hatred towards pirates , its from my bewilderment and reflection on my recent life in piracy.
Loss and gain of ISK is profoundly unimportant because it has no essential value in real life and you don't really own it. Solely in the context of the game I want to acquire ISK in any way the game allows. I will take your virtual credits wherever possible without ill feeling.
This is exactly like chess or BF3. In both these games you are given 'game pieces' and within the context of a virtual world you attempt to take what has been placed in the game at another player's disposal. EVE has more complexity than this, but essentially when game mechanics say 'you can do this', then you should not face any kind justice for playing within the rules of the game. Anything else is insane and almost too hard to argue because it is so obvious.
You take the game too seriously, you should take a step back. |

dark heartt
I Own Four Sheep Silent Requiem
46
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Posted - 2013.02.26 00:50:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:*snipped inappropriate link* - CCP Eterne
But seriously , what kind of satisfaction do they get from killing indies who can't shoot back?? And most importantly , BLUE ALTS! What is happening in the mind of the indy shooters and AWOXERS???
I can't speak for AWOXers, but the people who target indies do it for two main reasons, profit or fun. The profit is a little harder these days, but still able to be made if they pick the target well. The fun is usually from the rage that follows. We've all seen the posts of chat logs that contain some pretty hardcore tears of miners and indy pilots who have been ganked. Funny thing is if you just laugh it off and don't get mad they are usually pretty cool people (I'm looking at the person who ganked my Badger Mark II, you were cool). |

RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2887
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Posted - 2013.02.26 01:16:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:That's because I was wrong on quite a few accounts and I corrected my posts as I rethink my statements and is corrected by various people in the post? With the API key problem. Yes , yes you do. You provide API key to a killboard or battleflinic , chances are you'll end up on griefer watch some way or another , and this is a simple extension of that. CONSEQUENCES TO THE PUPPETEERS,NOT THE PUPPETS
Ok, so tell me which other characters are on this account? Characters on the same account are already connected by virtue of being on the same account.
My API is on EVE-Kill, Z-Kill, PL KB, and maybe Battleclinic (I don't remember).
In other words, you have no idea how the API system works.
This grieferwatch thing of yours has no access to the API keys of the people it's tracking and your suggestion wouldn't change that.
Even if it did, it would simply be a tool for harassment (this time, in game, which is a little better than your previous call for a RL harassment tool).
Besides that, why do you want to entirely destroy spying? (This is the only real effect of your newly not criminal*, but still terrible proposals).
*Since RL harassment is a crime, your initial proposal was advocating a crime. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |

FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
2887
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Posted - 2013.02.26 01:17:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:And about those who said EvE and real life psychology isn't connected.
It is , its provides insight to yourself. What sort of person would you be when rules of society no longer constrain your mortal flesh and you become a demigod.
...in a universe where every other individual is an immortal demigod and there are no lasting consequences to your actions.
You see, Eve is a game. It's not real. These internet space ships are just pixels and anyone who allows them to impact their real life needs to take a break from the computer. Saying that I'd be a terrible person because I'm a bad guy in Eve is like saying every CoD player is a serial killer waiting to happen. Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement. |

RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2887
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Posted - 2013.02.26 01:19:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:It is , its provides insight to yourself. What sort of person would you be when rules of society no longer constrain your mortal flesh and you become a demigod.
.... and were playing a game.
You keep forgetting this very important part.
None of your in game actions in EVE carry any more psychological or moral weight than taking a pawn in Chess. Because EVE is a game. How often do you murder royalty and soldiers in real life? You murder them in Chess every game you play (unless you're really bad at it, I suppose).
Oh, and every time you kill an NPC ship, you're killing its entire crew of hundreds to thousands (per Lore), so (assuming your bullshit link between in game actions and RL morality were valid) who are the real monsters? People killing capsuleers (in ships with skeleton crews) or people killing NPCs (in ships with full complements, because they're not using pod technology). This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |

Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham Industrial Technonauts
803
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Posted - 2013.02.26 01:21:00 -
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Leper ofBacon wrote:Ivy Romanova wrote:The CandyGirl wrote:Tears.
Watching really stupid people fail at hotdropping.
Tears
Threads like this Hotsldropping Is A PERFECTLY LEGIT method of combat and has my losses from such have no relevance to this. On a side note , I am very careful with my industrial ships , so no. This thread isn'tfrom my hatred towards pirates , its from my bewilderment and reflection on my recent life in piracy. Loss and gain of ISK is profoundly unimportant because it has no essential value in real life and you don't really own it. Solely in the context of the game I want to acquire ISK in any way the game allows. I will take your virtual credits wherever possible without ill feeling. This is exactly like chess or BF3. In both these games you are given 'game pieces' and within the context of a virtual world you attempt to take what has been placed in the game at another player's disposal. EVE has more complexity than this, but essentially when game mechanics say 'you can do this', then you should not face any kind justice for playing within the rules of the game. Anything else is insane and almost too hard to argue because it is so obvious. You take the game too seriously, you should take a step back.
TRUE , but we are not talking about the GAME punishing the players when they're playing within the boundary , we are talking about making once action binding across accounts so as to better transfer the consequences onto the account holder. Bear in mind , often those "pirates" have alts that does the shopping for them, even Indy alts mining 24/7 undercover in an industrial corp. Are those who secretly destroy for the pleasure of suffering people who you would like to be friends with ? Are those trustworthy directors ? Would their destructive inclinations be transferred towards your alliance one day when you wrong him?
This game isn't about law and punishment . Despite of my personal feelings... After reading all this.. All it comes down to is cause and effect , actions and consequences. And I believe the consequences being only binding towards an imaginary and disposable figure is far too shallow. Brass shines as fair to the ignorant as gold to the goldsmiths. -Elizabeth I
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Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham Industrial Technonauts
803
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Posted - 2013.02.26 01:23:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Ivy Romanova wrote:That's because I was wrong on quite a few accounts and I corrected my posts as I rethink my statements and is corrected by various people in the post? With the API key problem. Yes , yes you do. You provide API key to a killboard or battleflinic , chances are you'll end up on griefer watch some way or another , and this is a simple extension of that. CONSEQUENCES TO THE PUPPETEERS,NOT THE PUPPETS Ok, so tell me which other characters are on this account? Characters on the same account are already connected by virtue of being on the same account. My API is on EVE-Kill, Z-Kill, PL KB, and maybe Battleclinic (I don't remember). In other words, you have no idea how the API system works. This grieferwatch thing of yours has no access to the API keys of the people it's tracking and your suggestion wouldn't change that. Even if it did, it would simply be a tool for harassment (this time, in game, which is a little better than your previous call for a RL harassment tool). Besides that, why do you want to entirely destroy spying? (This is the only real effect of your newly not criminal*, but still terrible proposals). *Since RL harassment is a crime, your initial proposal was advocating a crime.
You suck at comprehension , we are suggesting the extension and revamping of the system so as to better reflect to consequences.
Brass shines as fair to the ignorant as gold to the goldsmiths. -Elizabeth I
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
2887
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Posted - 2013.02.26 01:23:00 -
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dark heartt wrote:I can't speak for AWOXers, but the people who target indies do it for two main reasons, profit or fun. The profit is a little harder these days, but still able to be made if they pick the target well. The fun is usually from the rage that follows. We've all seen the posts of chat logs that contain some pretty hardcore tears of miners and indy pilots who have been ganked. Funny thing is if you just laugh it off and don't get mad they are usually pretty cool people (I'm looking at the person who ganked my Badger Mark II, you were cool). Pretty much this. I don't play for "tear collection", but I get a good chuckle at just how mindblowingly dumb some people can be. That guy raging at how I'm a terrible human being because I blew up the untanked hauler that contained his entire life can be quite entertaining.
What I really enjoy, though, is those guys who ask what they did wrong. How they could do better. Eve needs more of them, and I'll do everything I can to keep them interested in the game. Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement. |

RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2887
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Posted - 2013.02.26 01:25:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:You suck at comprehension , we are suggesting the extension and revamping of the system so as to better allow me to harass people I dislike, and incidentally remove spying from EVE.
FYP. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |

FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
2887
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Posted - 2013.02.26 01:27:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:TRUE , but we are not talking about the GAME punishing the players when they're playing within the boundary , we are talking about making once action binding across accounts so as to better transfer the consequences onto the account holder. ...and thus utterly ending espionage in Eve. Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement. |

FeralShadow
Black Storm Cartel
207
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Posted - 2013.02.26 01:36:00 -
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I'm going to cut to the chase here. Are you in a corp that when war decced hop corp and join another to avoid it? If so, you're part of the reason why AWOXERS exist. It's the only way to get at you. "I believe in karma. That's why whenever I do something sh**ty to others, they somehow deserved it." A blog about contractual killing - http://www.blackstormcartel.blogspot.com |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2517
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Posted - 2013.02.26 01:38:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:making the person behind the account accountable for the actions instead of the toon.
Yes, I'm sure anyone involved in my personal life is going to be concerned that I joined someones space corporation in a computer game & blew them up. Most wouldn't care, the rest would find it hilarious. Apparently booking your flight & accomodation to Iceland BEFORE you buy the tickets for the convention which is pretty much the only reason you wanted to go there in the first place is popular. |

Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
1102
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Posted - 2013.02.26 01:46:00 -
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I was under the impression that the entire deal with pirates is that they targeted relatively defenseless, high value targets with the intent of plundering them or ransoming them for profit.
I mean you don't see Somalian pirates attacking US navy destroyers because they feel like container ships aren't challenging enough. |

RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2888
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Posted - 2013.02.26 01:47:00 -
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FeralShadow wrote:I'm going to cut to the chase here. Are you in a corp that when war decced hop corp and join another to avoid it? If so, you're part of the reason why AWOXERS exist. It's the only way to get at you.
Also people who watch local. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2517
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Posted - 2013.02.26 01:52:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:I mean you don't see Somalian pirates attacking US navy destroyers because they feel like container ships aren't challenging enough.
This actually happened a couple of years back. They somehow mistook it for a yacht. Apparently booking your flight & accomodation to Iceland BEFORE you buy the tickets for the convention which is pretty much the only reason you wanted to go there in the first place is popular. |

FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
2892
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Posted - 2013.02.26 04:48:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:I mean you don't see Somalian pirates attacking US navy destroyers because they feel like container ships aren't challenging enough. This actually happened a couple of years back. They somehow mistook it for a yacht. No one ever said intelligence is a prerequisite for piracy.
Just for long-term piracy. Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement. |

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
5477
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Posted - 2013.02.26 05:57:00 -
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All a Pirate really wants is :
Treasure Chests & Booty
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