EVE Search - Hulks & Mackinaws without a sensible tank.

Check My IP Information

All Channels

Science and Industry

Hulks & Mackinaws without a sensible tank.

» Click here to find additional results for this topic using Google

Monitor this thread via RSS [?]

Pages: 1 2 [3] :: one page

Author	Thread Statistics \| Show CCP posts - 0 post(s)
Lord Kronox State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.03.15 01:43:00 - [61] - Quote Haulie Berry wrote: Lord Xelnoz wrote: Practically new to Eve after a 3 year hiatus... I will try this fit and thanks for the info [Mackinaw, DERP TANK] Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II Damage Control II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II [empty med slot] [empty med slot] Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I I don't mine (it's peasant work), but honestly? Use a retriever. Doesn't a Mackinaw tank better than a retriever? (amongst other things) And my alt was CREATED for "peasent" work. It's just a cyno slave that mines on the side... that is the only reason for the account....
Haulie Berry 278	Posted - 2013.03.15 02:22:00 - [62] - Quote A mackinaw does tank better than a retriever, yes. Sort of. Technically. Not really in any meaningful way, though.
Lord Kronox State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.03.15 02:24:00 - [63] - Quote Since I am just using him to mine when he is doing nothing more useful... I suppose isk per hour is not really important to me with him... I will run it in the strongest tank I can fit in it.. hell maybe even go down to a skiff....
Petrified At River's Edge TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance 5	Posted - 2013.03.15 23:47:00 - [64] - Quote Sexy Cakes wrote: I ice mine next to about 100 other mackinaws. Thats why. Several typhoons smart bomb fit would have a hay day with that.
Lord Xelnoz Planetary Defense Coalition Phoenix Awakening 0	Posted - 2013.03.16 02:14:00 - [65] - Quote Went with a Procurer until I get the isk for a skiff. Here is the fit High: modulated strip miner II Medium: Medium shield booster II Invulnerability Field I EM shield resist I (passive) Thermal shield resist I (passive) Low: Damage control I Power Diagnostic System I Rigs: 3x Capacitor Control Circuit I This build nets me about 38,000 defensive points and is cap stable even with a medium shield booster. A much better tank than my pitiful previous Covetor.. but when I got it ganked I was not aware of the changes made to the mining barges... I always learn things the hard way I guess.....
Sabriz Adoudel Resurgent Threat 119	Posted - 2013.03.16 02:32:00 - [66] - Quote Speaking of bad tanks. Just came across an Orca with an anti-tank - three Cargo Expanders reducing structure EHP, a not turned on shield hardener and - wait for it - a Civilian Shield Booster 1. The Orca in question was, of course, put out of its misery. '... you cannot reason with the mining bots, you cannot negotiate with them, you can only bring them judgement in the form of Navy Antimatter, turn their Mackinaws to salvage and dust, smartbomb their pods, and burn their Mining Link implants with sweet incense...'- The Gospel according to St James 315
Ersahi Kir Freelance Mining Company 21	Posted - 2013.03.16 09:20:00 - [67] - Quote Lord Xelnoz wrote: Went with a Procurer until I get the isk for a skiff. Here is the fit High: modulated strip miner II Medium: Medium shield booster II Invulnerability Field I EM shield resist I (passive) Thermal shield resist I (passive) Low: Damage control I Power Diagnostic System I Rigs: 3x Capacitor Control Circuit I This build nets me about 38,000 defensive points and is cap stable even with a medium shield booster. A much better tank than my pitiful previous Covetor.. but when I got it ganked I was not aware of the changes made to the mining barges... I always learn things the hard way I guess..... Good sir I think you need some help. Having a medium shield booster isn't really much of a help against ganks because they don't last long enough. The only thing that's going to save you is to have as much hp as possible for them to chew through. Drop the medium shield booster II and replace it with a medium shield extender. If you want to keep the power diagnostic system it's not too bad because it does provide shield buffer and recharge, but the rigs absolutely have to go. Get some shield extender 1 rigs. Having 3 shield extender rigs will give you ~52% additional shield buffer between you and a gank. But lets look at why active tanking a procurer is a poor choice over buffer fitting it. The procurer has 6,000 hp's base, so if you add the 1050 for a medium shield extender II and 52% from the rigs you'll end up with 10716 base shield before resists. That extra shield would take 52.4 cycles to recover using your shield booster,which means the encounter would have to take over 2 minutes and 37 seconds for the shield booster to break even against the buffer tanks. Consider most ganks are done in under 20 seconds the benefit you're getting is slim. Something that I didn't figure in was that each level of mining barge gives the procurer an extra 5% shield per level, which means that as you train mining barge up the buffer tank becomes more efficient. With your current fit if you had 5 mining barge skill and 5 shield management skill you would have 9375 shields. If you used the 3 shield extender rigs and medium shield bosster you would have 16743, or a difference of 7368 shield. At the 90 hp/3 second rate of return on the medium shield booster an encounter would have to last just over 4 minutes before the booster beat the buffer tank. I applaud you on your choice of mining barge though. Once the shield booster is removed the ship is very cap stable even at low skill levels. Make sure to train for shield hardeners also though, when you move into the skiff you will need to have 2 shield resistance amps instead of the em/themal hardeners, along with some good fitting skills, to make it all fit. good luck
Katran Luftschreck Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps 1123	Posted - 2013.03.16 11:32:00 - [68] - Quote I'm not even going to tell you what my tank fitting is because ganktards read these posts and I feel no compulsion to make things any easier for them. EvE is like prison.-á It's a place when bad people go to learn how to become even worse people.
Dave Stark 2006	Posted - 2013.03.16 12:01:00 - [69] - Quote Sabriz Adoudel wrote: Speaking of bad tanks. Just came across an Orca with an anti-tank - three Cargo Expanders reducing structure EHP, a not turned on shield hardener and - wait for it - a Civilian Shield Booster 1. The Orca in question was, of course, put out of its misery. objection. orcas only have two low slots, so he wasn't fitting 3 cargo expanders. you're clearly a liar. Want miners to move from high sec to null sec? Then give them a reason to join player corps, and stop null sec grav sites being worth less isk/hour than high sec asteroid belts. Really isn't difficult.
Lord Xelnoz Planetary Defense Coalition Phoenix Awakening 0	Posted - 2013.03.17 04:38:00 - [70] - Quote Latest update... In a Skiff now with more resists and defensive points than my mains Apocolypse. 61,867 DHP It is also cap stable with a medium shield booster.... I don't think I will get ganked anytime too soon and If I do they will take a loss as it will take quite a few ships to bring me down before they get concorded.... Problem solved.

Tauranon Weeesearch 136	Posted - 2013.03.17 06:34:00 - [71] - Quote My alt runs 108k (lowest resist) on the skiff with 1 MLU, which is a bit above the trimarked 96k or so I get out of a megathron. I would say that 6 catalysts will bring you down, and that is close to what is regularly fielded, ie NOL manage a 5 man grouping most days - 61k is within the reach of a procurer too. There isn't any need/want to put a booster on a skiff - no belt npc grouping can push the shield below 99%, the booster only pays back for engagements (compared to an extender) that are longer than it takes for concord to show up.
Ersahi Kir Freelance Mining Company 25	Posted - 2013.03.17 07:33:00 - [72] - Quote Tauranon wrote: My alt runs 108k (lowest resist) on the skiff with 1 MLU, which is a bit above the trimarked 96k or so I get out of a megathron. I would say that 6 catalysts will bring you down, and that is close to what is regularly fielded, ie NOL manage a 5 man grouping most days - 61k is within the reach of a procurer too. There isn't any need/want to put a booster on a skiff - no belt npc grouping can push the shield below 99%, the booster only pays back for engagements (compared to an extender) that are longer than it takes for concord to show up. I'm not exactly sure if he's a troll or not. He's playing it just dumb enough to hook people if he is, otherwise he's just really oblivious and doesn't know how to fit ships. I'll have to play with eft some more and see how much ehp I can actually get on a skiff using only reasonable items (Tech 2 mod, tech 1 rigs). I figure I'm pretty close as is, but if I removed the two MLU's for a damage control 2 and either reinforced bulkhead 2 or power diagnostic system 2 I may be able to squeek out a few more ehp. I wonder if it's close enough that it could swap when I include a shield harmonizing gang link II. More just to play around than to actually use. I figure if they're dedicated enough to pop a 96k skiff they're dedicated enough to pop a 108k. Probably not dedicated enough to pop a cheaply fit buffer fit procurer though, those just aren't sexy to splode and they don't really put the person back any significant amount.
Bethan Le Troix Krusual Investigation Agency 4	Posted - 2013.03.17 11:25:00 - [73] - Quote As a general rule you will mainly get suicide ganked if you have fitted an ineffective tank eg NO DC II and a civilian shield booster and small extender etc. Expect to be ship scanned, and if your tank leaves much to be desired, to be turned into scrap metal and maybe get podded on top! It's not difficult. You can still fit an MLU and have enough tank but don't go over the top on yield if you're flying a Hulk or Mackinaw. If you're flying a Retriever it's less likely for someone except learner gankers to want to gank you as it doesn't look that good on a killboard. So with a bit of due care as to location and an eye on 'local' you can fly with an excessive yield fitting in a Retriever. Fly safe,
Tesco Ergo Sum Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.03.17 16:06:00 - [74] - Quote Lord Xelnoz wrote: Went with a Procurer until I get the isk for a skiff. Here is the fit High: modulated strip miner II Medium: Medium shield booster II Invulnerability Field I EM shield resist I (passive) Thermal shield resist I (passive) Low: Damage control I Power Diagnostic System I Rigs: 3x Capacitor Control Circuit I This build nets me about 38,000 defensive points and is cap stable even with a medium shield booster. A much better tank than my pitiful previous Covetor.. but when I got it ganked I was not aware of the changes made to the mining barges... I always learn things the hard way I guess..... 71K EHP, always have the ECM drones out and bring out DPS/Salv drones as required. Swap out the scanner for a passive Thermal if you need more tank (78K EHP with a Thermic Dissipation Field II instead of the Survey Scanner) [Procurer, HiSec tank2] Damage Control I Power Diagnostic System II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Medium Shield Extender II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Survey Scanner II Modulated Strip Miner II, Scordite Mining Crystal II Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Hornet EC-300 x1 Hornet EC-300 x1 Hornet EC-300 x1 Warrior II x1 Salvage Drone I x1
Lord Xelnoz Planetary Defense Coalition Phoenix Awakening 0	Posted - 2013.03.17 16:40:00 - [75] - Quote Nope I'm not a troll just been away from the game for a while and occasionally fail to read all forum posts before I act.... sorry. That being said I get it.... make the skiff a passive shield tank... kinda like a Nighthawk... drop the CCC rigs put in shield extenders and drop the medium booster and replace with a medium shield extender... Makes sense and I won't have to worry about needing to activate a booster which makes sense for a semi afk miner that is used while missioning or otherwise with my main.
Ersahi Kir Freelance Mining Company 26	Posted - 2013.03.17 23:36:00 - [76] - Quote Lord Xelnoz wrote: Nope I'm not a troll just been away from the game for a while and occasionally fail to read all forum posts before I act.... sorry. That being said I get it.... make the skiff a passive shield tank... kinda like a Nighthawk... drop the CCC rigs put in shield extenders and drop the medium booster and replace with a medium shield extender... Makes sense and I won't have to worry about needing to activate a booster which makes sense for a semi afk miner that is used while missioning or otherwise with my main. atta-boy /this must be how smokey the bear feels when people don't burn down the forest
Carniflex StarHunt 72	Posted - 2013.03.18 08:01:00 - [77] - Quote Speaking about Skiff vs Procurer. The main advantage skiff has is speed. EHP wise they end up roughly the same and the 3 000 m3 more space is not really meaningful in my opinion so they both are pretty tight ore bay wise. So if you are already going for the Skiff then use that speed advantage - it will help you more than few k of extra ehp will. So fit a powergrid rig and put 10 MN afterburner on it - orbiting a rock at ~600 m/s will make you harder to gank than the extra ehp from a shield extender rig do. Not to mention it will make you exceptionally hard to bump in any meaningful way. Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... THWONK! GOT the bastard.
Velicitia Arma Artificer 1253	Posted - 2013.03.18 15:14:00 - [78] - Quote Dave Stark wrote: Sabriz Adoudel wrote: Speaking of bad tanks. Just came across an Orca with an anti-tank - three Cargo Expanders reducing structure EHP, a not turned on shield hardener and - wait for it - a Civilian Shield Booster 1. The Orca in question was, of course, put out of its misery. objection. orcas only have two low slots, so he wasn't fitting 3 cargo expanders. you're clearly a liar. 3 rig slots, and enough calibration for 3x cargohold optimization (tho that decreases hurts armor and not hull...) One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia Malcanis for CSM8
Dave Stark 2047	Posted - 2013.03.18 16:45:00 - [79] - Quote Velicitia wrote: Dave Stark wrote: Sabriz Adoudel wrote: Speaking of bad tanks. Just came across an Orca with an anti-tank - three Cargo Expanders reducing structure EHP, a not turned on shield hardener and - wait for it - a Civilian Shield Booster 1. The Orca in question was, of course, put out of its misery. objection. orcas only have two low slots, so he wasn't fitting 3 cargo expanders. you're clearly a liar. 3 rig slots, and enough calibration for 3x cargohold optimization (tho that decreases hurts armor and not hull...) that's not a cargo expander, that's cargo rigs. expanders are low slot modules. also, cargo rigs give an armour penalty which is negligible at best, on an orca, even a cargo rigged orca can hit 230k+ ehp. Want miners to move from high sec to null sec? Then give them a reason to join player corps, and stop null sec grav sites being worth less isk/hour than high sec asteroid belts. Really isn't difficult.
Lord Xelnoz Planetary Defense Coalition Phoenix Awakening 0	Posted - 2013.03.18 23:17:00 - [80] - Quote With the passive tank fit my EHP in the skiff is around 89,000. I should rename my skiff "GANK THIS SUCKA!" LOL.... Although if I do that I may end up drawing too much attention.... So I will keep its current name of "Dig Dig". Cool thing about the skiff is not only does it have double the cargo space of a covetor, but it flies at 230 mps without an afterburner and gets a 200% bonus to its mining laser... It's single laser can pull as much as the three lasers on the Hulk.... granted you have to manually cycle them occasionally to avoid wasteing time as it pops a single roid very quickly. Also if you want to mine roids that are different you have to change crystals instead of putting three different crystals in three different strip miners... All tradoffs well worth it as an alt-tab miner......... The survivability is most excellent.....

Desivo Delta Visseroff Hybrid Flare strange tactical and research syndicate 0	Posted - 2013.03.21 14:17:00 - [81] - Quote I will never understand why some people leave empty LOW slots..... Here's an Idea. If you're fitting is tight from your mids and highs, fit a PDUII It's one of the best Low Slot modules out there. Fitting CPU usage 20 tf Shield Shield recharge rate bonus 8.5 % Shield HP bonus 5 % Capacitor Capacitor recharge rate bonus 8.5 % Capacitor bonus 5 % Miscellaneous Powergrid bonus 5 %
Inkarr Hashur Sine Nobilitatis 270	Posted - 2013.03.21 15:08:00 - [82] - Quote Desivo Delta Visseroff wrote: I will never understand why some people leave empty LOW slots..... Here's an Idea. If you're fitting is tight from your mids and highs, fit a PDUII It's one of the best Low Slot modules out there. Fitting CPU usage 20 tf Shield Shield recharge rate bonus 8.5 % Shield HP bonus 5 % Capacitor Capacitor recharge rate bonus 8.5 % Capacitor bonus 5 % Miscellaneous Powergrid bonus 5 % Mining ships are tight on CPU, not powergrid, and they generally get no benefit from shield recharge nor capacitor.
Velicitia Arma Artificer 1273	Posted - 2013.03.21 15:26:00 - [83] - Quote Dave Stark wrote: Velicitia wrote: 3 rig slots, and enough calibration for 3x cargohold optimization (tho that decreases hurts armor and not hull...) that's not a cargo expander, that's cargo rigs. expanders are low slot modules. also, cargo rigs give an armour penalty which is negligible at best, on an orca, even a cargo rigged orca can hit 230k+ ehp. uh, yeah ... I get that part ... my point was "maybe the guy said Cargo Expanders" and meant "Cargohold Optimization" (and obviously, applied the wrong penalty for said rig). One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia Malcanis for CSM8


Pages: 1 2 [3] :: one page
First page \| Previous page \| Next page \| Last page

COPYRIGHT NOTICE
EVE Online, the EVE logo, EVE and all associated logos and designs are the intellectual property of CCP hf. All artwork, screenshots, characters, vehicles, storylines, world facts or other recognizable features of the intellectual property relating to these trademarks are likewise the intellectual property of CCP hf. EVE Online and the EVE logo are the registered trademarks of CCP hf. All rights are reserved worldwide. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners. CCP hf. has granted permission to EVE-Search.com to use EVE Online and all associated logos and designs for promotional and information purposes on its website but does not endorse, and is not in any way affiliated with, EVE-Search.com. CCP is in no way responsible for the content on or functioning of this website, nor can it be liable for any damage arising from the use of this website.