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Dante Uisen
Push button receive bacon
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Posted - 2013.02.25 11:57:00 -
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Roime wrote:Most of lowsec and null is extremly sparsely populated. You either find systems with one or two in local, or completely empty. You can easily see this on your starmap, so there isn't anything to argue about.
You should try living in low for a month or two, you clearly don't know a damn thing about the place. |
Nova Satar
Rekall Incorporated
Sinewave Alliance
25
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Posted - 2013.02.25 12:01:00 -
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Dante Uisen wrote:Roime wrote:Most of lowsec and null is extremly sparsely populated. You either find systems with one or two in local, or completely empty. You can easily see this on your starmap, so there isn't anything to argue about. You should try living in low for a month or two, you clearly don't know a damn thing about the place.
Yeah i have to say i have no time for anybody who bases their argument on the starmap stats which every player worth their salt knows is totally crap.
I've not been "informed" by others, what sort of ****** would base opinion on what he's told, rather than what he knows for himself.
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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
618
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Posted - 2013.02.25 12:04:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:Single-shard game is one of the greatest things Eve has going for it. Second (or more) servers would just dilute the playerbase and make everything less interesting.
Is it reasonable to ask if the proliferation of alts and multiboxing, at some point, will make it impossible for newer players to get in to Eve because of single shard sandbox limits?
Will we get to the point you need to fill whatever petition for node reinforcement for incursions or mining/missioning in high sec?
Silly questions are silly but those are still questions.
*removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
True Sight
Deep Freeze Industries
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
137
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Posted - 2013.02.25 12:06:00 -
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Nova Satar wrote:There must be others like me who feel that EVE just doesn't feel like it used to. No empty space to explore or quiet hunting lands to roam, it doesnt feel BIG anymore and i think a game set in space probably should.... It's rare to find any lowsec areas with less than 10 people every other system and empire is just a clusterfuck. Null has some space sure, but you can't get to it without having to go through some massively congested areas so that argument is non exsistant.
I'd be surprised if those who remember the servers at 35,000 max would say it's better now at 60,000...
The question is, could extra regions help this, or could there even be the possibility of a second server?
This is more about perspective, just like if you move out of a family home when you're 5 and go back when you're 30 "wow, I remember it being bigger!"
The eve universe seems bigger when you start playing, it gets relatively smaller as you realise the ease of moving around, get into late-game clone jumping, capital fleets etc, it has nothing to do with the population.
They can't just add more space, or a new server, there's hundreds and hundreds of entirely unused systems already. |
True Sight
Deep Freeze Industries
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
137
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Posted - 2013.02.25 12:07:00 -
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Nova Satar
Rekall Incorporated
Sinewave Alliance
25
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Posted - 2013.02.25 12:11:00 -
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True Sight wrote:Nova Satar wrote:There must be others like me who feel that EVE just doesn't feel like it used to. No empty space to explore or quiet hunting lands to roam, it doesnt feel BIG anymore and i think a game set in space probably should.... It's rare to find any lowsec areas with less than 10 people every other system and empire is just a clusterfuck. Null has some space sure, but you can't get to it without having to go through some massively congested areas so that argument is non exsistant.
I'd be surprised if those who remember the servers at 35,000 max would say it's better now at 60,000...
The question is, could extra regions help this, or could there even be the possibility of a second server? This is more about perspective, just like if you move out of a family home when you're 5 and go back when you're 30 "wow, I remember it being bigger!" The eve universe seems bigger when you start playing, it gets relatively smaller as you realise the ease of moving around, get into late-game clone jumping, capital fleets etc, it has nothing to do with the population. They can't just add more space, or a new server, there's hundreds and hundreds of entirely unused systems already.
The perspective thing is true, but theres more to it.
I'm not just taking about, oh there are 2 systems here with nobody in, so lets fill those first before worrying about it. What eve lacks is expanses of quieter space, where solo and small gang activity can flourish, not just pvp, but all types of eve activity. Did you know there are Asteroid belts in Low Sec? Seriously they do actually exsist! I'm no miner but can you imagine mining in lowsec?? You'd be ganked within minutes, if you could even get your barge out there in the first place.
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Rico Minali
The Straw Men
Dark Therapy
1236
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Posted - 2013.02.25 12:12:00 -
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No second server. Ever.
Make Eve bigger however? Hell yes. More diverse areas of space, Maybe patches of nullsec ONLY accessible by WH, islands of hisec with some nice resources or missions, right in the middle of a big area of lowsec. Lowsec that is actually interesting.
Small patches of nullsec that are NOT accessible to capitals jumping from any other null or lowsec space. Space that has anomolies like that big explosive cloud and stuff like that. Make it big and interesting.
Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Gibbah
Rumors Of Survival
THE ROYAL NAVY
7
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Posted - 2013.02.25 12:30:00 -
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More regions, yes. But just by suggesting a second server tells me that you have not grasped the beauty of the Eve game concept, and why Eve is Eve. |
Skeln Thargensen
The Scope
Gallente Federation
29
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Posted - 2013.02.25 12:36:00 -
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It's not that it's too small, it's just that it's a little too easy to be found.
this is not necessarily a get rid of immediate local post but you know what I mean.
I take back my previous statements and judgements of others. -áyou can mine in iteron if you want. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
2080
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Posted - 2013.02.25 12:41:00 -
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Dante Uisen wrote:Roime wrote:Most of lowsec and null is extremly sparsely populated. You either find systems with one or two in local, or completely empty. You can easily see this on your starmap, so there isn't anything to argue about. You should try living in low for a month or two, you clearly don't know a damn thing about the place.
I've lived in two lowsex regions for a few months, and much longer in a wormhole with a direct lowsec static, and even longer in wormholes with C3 static (most C3s lead to lowsec), giving me a rather solid picture of most, if not all of the lowsec regions. FW areas have plenty of action, population outside those is very thin.
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |
feihcsiM
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
166
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Posted - 2013.02.25 12:49:00 -
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Nova Satar wrote:It's rare to find any lowsec areas with less than 10 people every other system
Strangely I find the complete opposite. Lowsec is mostly dead.
If you keep an eye on the political situation in EvE you can often take advantage of alliances being deployed elsewhere to run into their space. You will find lots of empty systems. Stay away from any systems with stations, dead ends and busy jump bridges and you're golden.
It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine. |
Hurtini Hilitari
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2013.02.25 13:18:00 -
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No second server.
More low sec systems, yes 
If you think it's mostly dead you can't have travelled through most of it that much. Just because it's quieter than high sec does not make it dead. |
Degren
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2098
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Posted - 2013.02.25 13:19:00 -
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I have a lot of friends who say they'd play EvE if the server was ever fully rebooted.
I'd join them.
OP is bored/outraged/emotional? -áCheck. -áOP is in high sec? -áCheck. -áOP is in NPC or solo corp? -áCheck. -áOP demands CCP fix the situation? -áCheck. -áLaugh at OP |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
7832
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Posted - 2013.02.25 14:00:00 -
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Degren wrote:I have a lot of friends who say they'd play EvE if the server was ever fully rebooted.
I'd join them.
Do they also refuse to get a job until everyone who already has one is killed first?
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Degren
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2100
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Posted - 2013.02.25 14:02:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Degren wrote:I have a lot of friends who say they'd play EvE if the server was ever fully rebooted.
I'd join them. Do they also refuse to get a job until everyone who already has one is killed first?
No. They just like games that have a bunch of frigates frantically trying to take space and a ripe economy.
But that was pretty cute, too.
OP is bored/outraged/emotional? -áCheck. -áOP is in high sec? -áCheck. -áOP is in NPC or solo corp? -áCheck. -áOP demands CCP fix the situation? -áCheck. -áLaugh at OP |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
Shaktipat Revelators
1496
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Posted - 2013.02.25 14:04:00 -
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Nova Satar wrote:Ohishi wrote:Nova Satar wrote:Ohishi wrote:
There are lots of dead low sec areas.
Name one? Miroona. Miroona isn't a region, it's a system. It's a land locked system surrounded by high. The region is Kor-Azor which is most definitely not quiet. Fly yourself through the main bulk of it tonight and i assure you that you will die a horrible ECM based death.
This used to be true because we lived there. Then we moved. It may not be true anymore. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
3526
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Posted - 2013.02.25 14:08:00 -
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Ammatar (Derelik) and I believe Khanid were added shortly before I started playing.
It is possible.
And yes, the game 'feels' completely different than it did 3 years ago to me. Even 12 months ago, my area was dead, dead, dead. Now it's practically like Caldari.
Be yourself; everyone else is already taken.-á-á-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde - 1870's |
Yogsoloth
Percussive Diplomacy
Samurai Pizza Cats
106
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Posted - 2013.02.25 14:25:00 -
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Id make the exact opposite argument.
There are vast swaths of empty space that serve virtually no purpose at all. I'd much prefer to see whole systems get swallowed up and disappear entirely. EVE is an MMO the primary idea behind MMO's is the massive multi-player part where you interact with other players positively or negatively, working with each other or against each other. There are still plenty of places players can go off exploring on their own for hours or days at a time without being bothered if that's their play style. |
seany1212
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
Get Off My Lawn
209
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Posted - 2013.02.25 14:32:00 -
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Derelik, Devoid, Khanid, Aridia, all mostly devoid (haha) of life, and you can sit there and spout crap about how they're all populated by at least 1 person but if you're after a region empty of life you're in the wrong game because you are more than likely not the only person who wishes to live in a lifeless system.
Also, of course there are people camping entry systems, if you think there are people who do not capitalize on everyone funneling through one set of gates you're a moron.
Also, also, EVE has many servers that make up the vast space we call tranquility, or you could go play on singularity or buckingham (the dusty one?) |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
7838
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Posted - 2013.02.25 14:34:00 -
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Yogsoloth wrote:Id make the exact opposite argument.
There are vast swaths of empty space that serve virtually no purpose at all. I'd much prefer to see whole systems get swallowed up and disappear entirely. EVE is an MMO the primary idea behind MMO's is the massive multi-player part where you interact with other players positively or negatively, working with each other or against each other.
Why do you hate empty space so much? You say they serve "no purpose" but should that be "I don't know what purpose they serve"?
Yogsoloth wrote:There are still plenty of places players can go off exploring on their own for hours or days at a time without being bothered if that's their play style.
Well yes, but there wouldn't be 'plenty of places' if all the "empty" systems were deleted, would there?
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
7838
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Posted - 2013.02.25 14:36:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Ammatar (Derelik) and I believe Khanid were added shortly before I started playing.
It is possible.
And yes, the game 'feels' completely different than it did 3 years ago to me. Even 12 months ago, my area was dead, dead, dead. Now it's practically like Caldari.
Is that good or bad? On the whole, it seems like it would be a good thing to me.
Incidentally, part of my CSM platform is to present the case to CCP for another region of NPC 0.0 in the north like Curse - lots of stations, several empire enterences, plenty of facilities for new corps to gain a toehold in 0.0. Vote me!
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l0rd carlos
Friends Of Harassment
338
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Posted - 2013.02.25 14:36:00 -
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Nova Satar wrote:Ohishi wrote:
There are lots of dead low sec areas.
Name one?
Molden Heath.
Genesis Lowsec
Maybe also Aridia?
Not dead regions, be lots and lots of empty systems with free room for more players.
German blog about smallscale lowsec pvp: http://friendsofharassment.wordpress.com |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
3527
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Posted - 2013.02.25 15:12:00 -
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seany1212 wrote:Derelik, Devoid, Khanid, Aridia, all mostly devoid (haha) of life......
Erm....have you actually checked the Map in the last 24 months ? There is no such thing as empty high sec.
Be yourself; everyone else is already taken.-á-á-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde - 1870's |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
3527
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Posted - 2013.02.25 15:14:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Ammatar (Derelik) and I believe Khanid were added shortly before I started playing.
It is possible.
And yes, the game 'feels' completely different than it did 3 years ago to me. Even 12 months ago, my area was dead, dead, dead. Now it's practically like Caldari. Is that good or bad? On the whole, it seems like it would be a good thing to me.
Unless one wants to get up at 6AM EST almost all resources for Industrialists are now farmed out or it's already starting.
I'm not sure what the folks out here are doing who log on in the afternoon and evening except AFK Ice Mining.
Be yourself; everyone else is already taken.-á-á-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde - 1870's |
De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade
The East India Co.
1087
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Posted - 2013.02.25 15:19:00 -
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Nova Satar wrote:There must be others like me who feel that EVE just doesn't feel like it used to. No empty space to explore or quiet hunting lands to roam, it doesnt feel BIG anymore and i think a game set in space probably should.... It's rare to find any lowsec areas with less than 10 people every other system and empire is just a clusterfuck. Null has some space sure, but you can't get to it without having to go through some massively congested areas so that argument is non exsistant.
I'd be surprised if those who remember the servers at 35,000 max would say it's better now at 60,000...
The question is, could extra regions help this, or could there even be the possibility of a second server?
While I admit there are times that Eve feels too small, adding a second shared is a non-starter. The single shard universe is what makes Eve unique in the MMO arena (at least to my knowledge), and that is something that needs to be retained, regardless of how Eve grows.
The Margin Trading Scam: If you fell for it, it's your own damned fault.
Malcanis for CSM 8
Eve Online: The full-contact sport for your brain. |
Kobal81
Killing is Business
Tribal Band
76
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Posted - 2013.02.25 15:21:00 -
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Nova Satar wrote:There must be others like me who feel that EVE just doesn't feel like it used to. No empty space to explore or quiet hunting lands to roam, it doesnt feel BIG anymore and i think a game set in space probably should.... It's rare to find any lowsec areas with less than 10 people every other system and empire is just a clusterfuck. Null has some space sure, but you can't get to it without having to go through some massively congested areas so that argument is non exsistant.
I'd be surprised if those who remember the servers at 35,000 max would say it's better now at 60,000...
The question is, could extra regions help this, or could there even be the possibility of a second server?
Get out and recycle yourself
"Greed, for lack of a better word, is good. Greed is right, greed works. Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit" |
Nova Satar
Rekall Incorporated
Sinewave Alliance
25
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Posted - 2013.02.25 15:32:00 -
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I guess from all the single shard replies i should clarify, i wouldn't see it has a second server that people can just switch between and log onto whichever they prefer. You'd either be on one or another, and that's that. It's still a single shard and sandbox style game, but it just fixes what i believe is a population problem.
The same way we can't log onto the Chinese Server, this doesn't take away from "what makes eve great" so why would a second server for the 1st world. |
Djana Libra
The Black Ops
Black Core Alliance
62
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Posted - 2013.02.25 15:50:00 -
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TheBlueMonkey wrote:Come to solitude, it's all quiet and stuff and I have no idea why
Yeah thats a very quiet area, used to live there for a while.
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De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade
The East India Co.
1087
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Posted - 2013.02.25 15:53:00 -
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Nova Satar wrote:I guess from all the single shard replies i should clarify, i wouldn't see it has a second server that people can just switch between and log onto whichever they prefer. You'd either be on one or another, and that's that. It's still a single shard and sandbox style game, but it just fixes what i believe is a population problem.
The same way we can't log onto the Chinese Server, this doesn't take away from "what makes eve great" so why would a second server for the 1st world.
The Chinese server exists because of politics and real life laws, not because of anything to do with the game population.
The Margin Trading Scam: If you fell for it, it's your own damned fault.
Malcanis for CSM 8
Eve Online: The full-contact sport for your brain. |
monkfish2345
State Protectorate
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2013.02.25 15:55:00 -
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I don't really see what the purpose of adding more systems would be right now.
currently eve has 7500~ systems including wormholes. even if you distributed the player base evenly across it all that's 8?.. per system. and that's before how you consider actual distribution between high, low and null.
low sec is really the only place where i can understand an argument for expansion because of the introduction of FW resulting in it becoming far more densely populated. (Note this is one of the reasons FW was introduced).
CCP has been pushing to get people out of empire for a long time now, and the reason behind that is that 0.0 is so quiet for the most part. there are various reasons for that. but to say we are need of more space seems a little pointless.
like i said previously the bigger issue is making what space we have worth visiting, worth owning, worth fighting for.
at the end of the day what do you think would happen if new space was introduced?.... within weeks alliances would move in and claim the space as their own, the systems with decent numbers of belts would have the odd ratter and the rest would be left empty apart from Moon mining POS or logistic POSs. Fairly quickly everyone just looks at it as another un-accessible area of space.
all that said the idea if they were to introduce new space for it to be beyond the WH void would be interesting. it would present a whole new set of issues for anyone wanting to live there. and maybe encourage a more permanent presence in the space, sub economies etc.
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