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Nova Satar
Rekall Incorporated
Sinewave Alliance
25
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Posted - 2013.02.25 10:16:00 -
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There must be others like me who feel that EVE just doesn't feel like it used to. No empty space to explore or quiet hunting lands to roam, it doesnt feel BIG anymore and i think a game set in space probably should.... It's rare to find any lowsec areas with less than 10 people every other system and empire is just a clusterfuck. Null has some space sure, but you can't get to it without having to go through some massively congested areas so that argument is non exsistant.
I'd be surprised if those who remember the servers at 35,000 max would say it's better now at 60,000...
The question is, could extra regions help this, or could there even be the possibility of a second server? |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
347
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Posted - 2013.02.25 10:16:00 -
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Nova Satar wrote:could there even be the possibility of a second server? No.
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Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
483
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Posted - 2013.02.25 10:17:00 -
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Nova Satar wrote: or could there even be the possibility of a second server?
Hell NO.
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum
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Nova Satar
Rekall Incorporated
Sinewave Alliance
25
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Posted - 2013.02.25 10:18:00 -
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Crumplecorn wrote:Nova Satar wrote:could there even be the possibility of a second server? No.
Why? |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1009
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Posted - 2013.02.25 10:23:00 -
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Single-shard game is one of the greatest things Eve has going for it. Second (or more) servers would just dilute the playerbase and make everything less interesting.
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Tub Chil
Last Men Standing
29
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Posted - 2013.02.25 10:24:00 -
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Nova Satar wrote:Crumplecorn wrote:Nova Satar wrote:could there even be the possibility of a second server? No. Why?
because single server is good? |
Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games.
Suddenly Spaceships.
474
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Posted - 2013.02.25 10:24:00 -
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The possibility of more lowsec/0.0 regions would make me kinda excited tbh. But, a second server? Definitely not. |
Nova Satar
Rekall Incorporated
Sinewave Alliance
25
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Posted - 2013.02.25 10:27:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:Single-shard game is one of the greatest things Eve has going for it. Second (or more) servers would just dilute the playerbase and make everything less interesting.
Agreed, but eventually it could be exactly the same as it is now, but across two servers? What i'm saying is, if numbers continue to grow and TQ is kept as is, it's surely going to reach a point where something needs to happen.
Also, what would peoples thoughts be on more regions, and i don;t mean one more fw region like before, what if the universe doubled in size?? |
Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham
Industrial Technonauts
798
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Posted - 2013.02.25 10:30:00 -
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No.
Your region is too populated .
Explore lonely regions in low sec and null.
Its quite dead there
Brass shines as fair to the ignorant as gold to the goldsmiths.
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Meghel
SilfMeg Mining and Transportation Co
1
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Posted - 2013.02.25 10:30:00 -
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Nova Satar wrote:There must be others like me who feel that EVE just doesn't feel like it used to. No empty space to explore or quiet hunting lands to roam, it doesnt feel BIG anymore and i think a game set in space probably should.... It's rare to find any lowsec areas with less than 10 people every other system and empire is just a clusterfuck. Null has some space sure, but you can't get to it without having to go through some massively congested areas so that argument is non exsistant.
I'd be surprised if those who remember the servers at 35,000 max would say it's better now at 60,000...
The question is, could extra regions help this, or could there even be the possibility of a second server?
More regions would help but it would need a through rethinking about the mechanics and things to do in High-, Low- and Null Sec. Else it will be just a very temporary solution.
You could add new regions, change the Sec-Status of Low Sec areas to High Sec, Null-Sec to Low-Sec and it might alleviate the problem a bit.
Since I am a nullbear I dont have any problems with the higher player base.
Although I did some small forays into lowsec (mostly exploration) which were quite fun.
And some Null-Sec visits for Live Events (which mostly cost me my ship)
But for me, there is not much in Low Sec and Null Sec that interest me at all.
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A Second Server would be a bad idea as the basic premise of Eve is a Big Sandbox.
Everything affects everything else.
Your first idea has merit, the second one does not. |
Nova Satar
Rekall Incorporated
Sinewave Alliance
25
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Posted - 2013.02.25 10:33:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:No.
Your region is too populated .
Explore lonely regions in low sec and null.
Its quite dead there
I don't have a region lol..... I play everywhere and assure you nowhere is dead in low-sec, and the few places that are dead in null are dead for a reason, and inaccessible without the very blob many of us are trying to avoid.
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Schmata Bastanold
Keep It Burning Stupid
635
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Posted - 2013.02.25 10:36:00 -
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Eve isn't dying.
Oh, wait...
I am not my skills but...
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Ohishi
Apocalypse Reign
29
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Posted - 2013.02.25 10:37:00 -
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Nova Satar wrote:Ivy Romanova wrote:No.
Your region is too populated .
Explore lonely regions in low sec and null.
Its quite dead there I don't have a region lol..... I play everywhere and assure you nowhere is dead in low-sec, and the few places that are dead in null are dead for a reason, and inaccessible without the very blob many of us are trying to avoid.
There are lots of dead low sec areas. |
Nova Satar
Rekall Incorporated
Sinewave Alliance
25
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Posted - 2013.02.25 10:38:00 -
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Ohishi wrote:
There are lots of dead low sec areas.
Name one?
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Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1149
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Posted - 2013.02.25 10:39:00 -
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More space sure, another server not so much.
Though the problem with more space is, that the current isn't that great. So they should really improve upon what they already have before adding more.
Don't Vote for Malcanis
New Eden Training Simulation. -áIdea to improve NPE. |
Ohishi
Apocalypse Reign
29
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Posted - 2013.02.25 10:40:00 -
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Nova Satar wrote:Ohishi wrote:
There are lots of dead low sec areas.
Name one?
Miroona. |
Nova Satar
Rekall Incorporated
Sinewave Alliance
25
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Posted - 2013.02.25 10:42:00 -
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Brooks Puuntai wrote:More space sure, another server not so much.
Though the problem with more space is, that the current isn't that great. So they should really improve upon what they already have before adding more.
Yup, it throws up the whole issue of what does lowsec have to offer anyway, which highlights the overcrowded issue even more. Lowsec is crammed with people who gain nothing from it, other than a bit of pvp which is becoming more and more blob based by the day, because of the overcrowding.
Lowsec is like some sort of UN refugee camp on the outskirts of a conflict zone with more and more people crammed into a small area with little to do or gain from it, other than just being there. |
Nova Satar
Rekall Incorporated
Sinewave Alliance
25
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Posted - 2013.02.25 10:44:00 -
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Ohishi wrote:Nova Satar wrote:Ohishi wrote:
There are lots of dead low sec areas.
Name one? Miroona.
Miroona isn't a region, it's a system. It's a land locked system surrounded by high. The region is Kor-Azor which is most definitely not quiet. Fly yourself through the main bulk of it tonight and i assure you that you will die a horrible ECM based death.
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Dante Uisen
Push button receive bacon
138
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Posted - 2013.02.25 10:46:00 -
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Nova Satar wrote:It's rare to find any lowsec areas with less than 10 people every other system and empire is just a clusterfuck. Null has some space sure, but you can't get to it without having to go through some massively congested areas so that argument is non exsistant.
I sometimes get the same feeling, but you have to remember that Eve is not a single player game.
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monkfish2345
State Protectorate
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.02.25 10:49:00 -
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There really is no need for more space at all.
Take some time to look on the map and set it to active pilots in last 30 mins..... Most of 0.0 is empty.
this isn;t some new revelation it's always been like this, and is the reason why people aren't crying about the need for more space.
the problem is the sov mechanics at the moment allow alliances to control huge expanses of space even if the do not need/use it.
It's fairly apparent by now that the changes made to Sov didn't achieve what they had initially hoped with Ihubs etc. but it shows CCP are aware there is a problem, it's just complex to fix.
the ideal is that an alliance hold say 10 systems. and each system can comfortably provide for anywhere upto 100 people, if not more, but at the same time, there has to be a sensible way to discourage alliances owning 100 systems like this and spreading their population because it is more efficient.
the obvious answers of exponential cost per system owned isn;t really suitable, because this just causes alliances to fragment and become informal coalitions. so the CSM and CCP need to try and think up something a bit more robust.
As far as i'm aware it's still one of the top items on their agenda as nobody is happy with Sov really. once we come to some better way of working this expect 0.0 to become more interesting, and hopefully a little more populous.
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Whitehound
977
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Posted - 2013.02.25 10:52:00 -
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Move to China and play on Serenity. It is the future.
Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |
Ohishi
Apocalypse Reign
29
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Posted - 2013.02.25 10:53:00 -
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Nova Satar wrote:Ohishi wrote:Nova Satar wrote:Ohishi wrote:
There are lots of dead low sec areas.
Name one? Miroona. Miroona isn't a region, it's a system. It's a land locked system surrounded by high. The region is Kor-Azor which is most definitely not quiet. Fly yourself through the main bulk of it tonight and i assure you that you will die a horrible ECM based death.
I said area. Miroona is a system and there is a dog leg that leads into 0.0 that is most definitely quiet. Quiet enough at least that you can roam around relatively safely. Now if you are looking for completely empty space, start scanning out worm holes. Plenty of those as well. |
Eliniale
co-operative resource extraction
99
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Posted - 2013.02.25 11:13:00 -
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Nova Satar wrote:There must be others like me who feel that EVE just doesn't feel like it used to. No empty space to explore or quiet hunting lands to roam, it doesnt feel BIG anymore and i think a game set in space probably should.... It's rare to find any lowsec areas with less than 10 people every other system and empire is just a clusterfuck. Null has some space sure, but you can't get to it without having to go through some massively congested areas so that argument is non exsistant.
I'd be surprised if those who remember the servers at 35,000 max would say it's better now at 60,000...
The question is, could extra regions help this, or could there even be the possibility of a second server?
Also no.
Reasons:
- Still a lot of empty space
- Eve is still large, but it's more vibrant. This is NOT a bad thing. (although more systems to fight over can never hurt)
- Eve main strenght is its playerbase, more people= more stuff going on. More stuff going on= more unexpected things bound to happen. Also more options.
- Enter more here :D (there's quite a bit more but can't be arsed to type em out)
System ideas: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=191928&find=unread |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
7829
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Posted - 2013.02.25 11:17:00 -
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Nova Satar wrote:There must be others like me who feel that EVE just doesn't feel like it used to. No empty space to explore or quiet hunting lands to roam, it doesnt feel BIG anymore and i think a game set in space probably should.... It's rare to find any lowsec areas with less than 10 people every other system and empire is just a clusterfuck. Null has some space sure, but you can't get to it without having to go through some massively congested areas so that argument is non exsistant.
I'd be surprised if those who remember the servers at 35,000 max would say it's better now at 60,000...
The question is, could extra regions help this, or could there even be the possibility of a second server?
You can find wormholes that can take you to 0.0, usually to quiet areas.
Indeed, if you want that "empty space" feeling, why not just go to W-space?
Vote for Malcanis for CSM8
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread |
Mon Diddies
Ascendancy.
Test Friends Please Ignore
2
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Posted - 2013.02.25 11:18:00 -
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more space for sure, i have brought this up years ago, and was really told to htfu gtfo blah blah blah. but yes more space is needed +1000000000
Dont believe anything you read, and only half of what you see. To be fair dont trust what you hear either.!!!!!!! TINFOIL ACTIVATE!!!!!!!!! |
Sarah Schneider
PonyWaffe
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1882
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Posted - 2013.02.25 11:27:00 -
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Null is too crowded!
Null is too quiet!
Make up your mind people!
"I'd rather have other players-áget shot by other players than not interacting with others" -CCP Soundwave |
TheBlueMonkey
Don't Be a Menace
That Red Alliance
440
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Posted - 2013.02.25 11:31:00 -
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Come to solitude, it's all quiet and stuff and I have no idea why |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
2080
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Posted - 2013.02.25 11:37:00 -
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Your opinion is uninformed and wrong.
Most of lowsec and null is extremly sparsely populated. You either find systems with one or two in local, or completely empty. You can easily see this on your starmap, so there isn't anything to argue about.
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |
Draydin Warsong
Heroic Alliance of Troll Exiles
5
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Posted - 2013.02.25 11:40:00 -
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No on another server...that is kind of Eves selling point is everyone plays together. On the adding more systems part I would say we already have an enormous amount of systems. I would lke to see a system set up to make sov bills progressively more expensive with each system you own, perhaps an exponential amount 1st system 1 Bil a month, 2nd 2 Bill, 3rd 4 Bill etc etc. 1 would be dirt cheap, 5 would be relatively inexpensive, 20 would start getting expensive, 50 would be outrageous.
Right now an alliance can claim and hold vast amounts of systems that they dont even really want nor do they even visit simply because its cheap enough to them that it makes sense to claim it in order to keep the enemy from claiming it. I think that tactic needs to be squashed . I would like to see small corps pop up in the empty systems this new mechanic would create and let the old salts play whack-a-mole. Fun for all, the old salts get their "gud fites" and the little guys get to be hunted mercilessily and driven from null with the added insult of the big boys just letting their SOV go away without claiming their system. Only problem I can see with this idea is big alliances can just subdivide into smaller sov holding entities while maintaining their informal (READ: meta game versus game mechanic)coalitions. |
mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
266
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Posted - 2013.02.25 11:40:00 -
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Eve is pretty empty in many places.
If there is further expansion of space, I would like to see new landscapes like wormhole space rather than empty bland expanse. |
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