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Allen Deckard
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Posted - 2005.08.05 02:09:00 -
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First off I am us.
With that out of the way.
You think maybe one of the reasons that us is not reprsented in the game that much is that there is next to no advertising in us for it?
Another reason is people tend to flock to games that have a large player base in their time zone no matter what the game. It's no fun to play in an empty game and the more players in eve the more fun the game is.
This is no ***** by any means but if the game is largly uk and the going theme in the thread that I am reading is that uk players are more mature ect ect then why is the first advice that is given to a new player to trust noone ect ect.
I don't have a good reason that us players aren't more represented in eve. If I wanted to be more sarcastic and flammy then I would just say something like us players don't "infest" the game cause us players tend to like more fair play and don't like thieves and picking on the little guy which of course as we all know eve is truely "infested" by.
Personally I think the whole country thing is a crock. It comes down to advertisements when and where.
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2005.08.05 02:17:00 -
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Quote: Personally I think the whole country thing is a crock. It comes down to advertisements when and where.
EVE had just as much advertisement in the US by Simon & Shuster as any other game I've ever bought at Comp USA, Media Play, etc...
There were just as many EVE boxes on the shelves as there was Earth & Beyond...
There was just as many chances for US gamers to get attracted to EVE as many other games out there. It just didn't happen. ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE |
Nick Curso
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Posted - 2005.08.05 02:22:00 -
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I think this game appeils to the UK market more simply because imo us brits like to use our imagination a bit more, work to make something how we want it to be.
Take our horror films for example te typical british horror contains much more suspense and alot more is left up to the veiwers imagination compared to ure typical american cut em us and mash em horror. Dont get me wrong these are good to but everything is given to u and nothing is left for u to decide.
Eve is like the british horror, I think we prefer to use our imaginations and are maby slightly more patient then the typical american gamer and we all know this game needs patients. I simply think that that appeils more to the british culture than the american one but thats just my confused opinion.
Nick
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Allen Deckard
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Posted - 2005.08.05 02:28:00 -
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Originally by: Nick Curso
Take our horror films for example te typical british horror contains much more suspense and alot more is left up to the veiwers imagination compared to ure typical american cut em us and mash em horror. Dont get me wrong these are good to but everything is given to u and nothing is left for u to decide.
Nick
:) you don't think that has anything to do with budget?
hehe
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Nick Curso
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Posted - 2005.08.05 02:31:00 -
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Quote: :) you don't think that has anything to do with budget?
Beleve it or not nothing at all.
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Akira Cortana
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Posted - 2005.08.05 02:36:00 -
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While some people may disagree, my opinion is that EVE was marketed very poorly in the United States. I had never even heard of the game until I saw it mentioned in the signature of someone on another forum. When I did a Google search to find out what EVE was all about, the game had already been out for eight months.
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Lord Artemis
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Posted - 2005.08.05 02:40:00 -
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As I see it Eve-Online has done more for global relations between different countries better than any political/diplomatic/ (U.N.) body has ever done.
Eve Online - connecting the world one subscription at a time.® ___________________________
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Vydek Daamth
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Posted - 2005.08.05 02:40:00 -
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It comes down to advertising. I'd offer 1m isk to anyone who can point me to ANY Eve add in any American released gaming or computer mag. But I wont because I know its pointless. And I'm not talking a review but a true 1 page or even a 1/2 page add. It has nothing to do with type of player or age or what contry or hemisphere (well maybe maturity) its about how it was advertised. Id say alot of US players are here by word of mouth. I do have to say PC gamer US did a **** review of EVE and I know the reviewer played less than 10 hours total. Then read the EVE-O boards a put all the grips that the crybabies we posting and based his review on that.
Funny how in the current released PC gamer (US) at the back is an editor up on a soapbox about how game companies just follow the norm and dont take chances. How the little unknown game companies who make great games are swamped by the big evil people. Yet in their BIG MMO review edition Eve was never mentioned and they got on their knees and sucked the***** of WOW. Going on and on how it was a great game and so different.
I found Eve by accident from a poll for "Game your most exicted about" and this game called Eve was #1. So I did a search on Eve and I've been here since 3 days after release. BTW I was searching for SWG...which was #5 in the poll
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Syrec
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Posted - 2005.08.05 02:41:00 -
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Originally by: Bhaal
Not the point at all dude, I'm an American and not a masochist.
I'm not saying you are. I was replying to some of the replies actually. I don't think it's about location. The game itself is slower and more involved than other games. You have to use your brain in EVE, and that is a huge turn-off to immature gamers.
Originally by: Amox
Oh yea prove it.
I know you are, but what am I?
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Bombcrater
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Posted - 2005.08.05 02:45:00 -
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Originally by: Bhaal Does this game not attract the younger American players because of the deeply entrenched UK/mature player base? Or is it simply EVE itself that turns those players away?
The UK has a culture of computer gaming that simply never happened in the US. Playing games has pretty much always been something done on computers in Britian, at least until recently. A lot of us grew up with ZX Spectrums, BBCs, Amstrads, Amigas, etc, playing things like Elite, Starglider, Mercenary, Frontier, First Encounters. That leaves a nice Eve-shaped hole in the psyche of older British gamers :-) |
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Vydek Daamth
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Posted - 2005.08.05 03:01:00 -
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The UK has a culture of computer gaming that simply never happened in the US. Playing games has pretty much always been something done on computers in Britian, at least until recently. A lot of us grew up with ZX Spectrums, BBCs, Amstrads, Amigas, etc, playing things like Elite, Starglider, Mercenary, Frontier, First Encounters. That leaves a nice Eve-shaped hole in the psyche of older British gamers :-)
Now this statement does carry some weight. The US has allways been big on consoles. BTW I love to argue with consol gamers-"yeah I bought an Xbox, HD TV, monster cables, home theater system cost me about $1000. and I'm like "Well I spent $2500 on something that is a pure gaming system I dont watch TV on it or listen to music. And I can also use it to look at free pron so there!"
So yeah if it wasnt for the console market I think there would be more US EVE gamers. I think that would hold true in all the gaming markets...but maybe more so in the US.
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Jak'ai
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Posted - 2005.08.05 03:03:00 -
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Fortunately I'm Canadian, which means I'm equal parts American and British, so I can be an authority here
Seriously though, I'd have to go with the way EVE is designed as the major filter rather than country or even really age demographics.
One, EVE has a steep learning curve that many don't ever get past. Anyone who recruits for a corp can probably tell you that a large number of new players don't stay.
Two, EVE has the stiffest death penalty of any major MMO that I know of right now. Lots of casual players don't want to suffer the kinds of losses that happen all the time in game.
Three, EVE has a really heavy PvP bent. Stats over many years have shown that PK players (those that enjoy PvP as a large part of their game) make up a minority of MMO gamers in general.
Sure marketing more in North America might help (heck, I'd love to find more NA players - it's pretty barren at our prime time) but the bottom line is that most of the people that like WoW wouldn't stick with EVE because it's a harder game to play overall.
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Lord Artemis
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Posted - 2005.08.05 03:04:00 -
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Originally by: Vydek Daamth The UK has a culture of computer gaming that simply never happened in the US. Playing games has pretty much always been something done on computers in Britian, at least until recently. A lot of us grew up with ZX Spectrums, BBCs, Amstrads, Amigas, etc, playing things like Elite, Starglider, Mercenary, Frontier, First Encounters. That leaves a nice Eve-shaped hole in the psyche of older British gamers :-)
Now this statement does carry some weight. The US has allways been big on consoles. BTW I love to argue with consol gamers-"yeah I bought an Xbox, HD TV, monster cables, home theater system cost me about $1000. and I'm like "Well I spent $2500 on something that is a pure gaming system I dont watch TV on it or listen to music. And I can also use it to look at free pron so there!"
So yeah if it wasnt for the console market I think there would be more US EVE gamers. I think that would hold true in all the gaming markets...but maybe more so in the US.
admittedly from experience i find that alot of americans won't play for long if at all cuz of the need for instant gratification and lack of commitment needed to play eve, this may be true in other countries as well, but we generally have the "what have you done for me lately?" attitude here ___________________________
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Xavier Cardde
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Posted - 2005.08.05 03:06:00 -
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oh hell im an American and even i can appreciate being in a UK dominated enviroment...
US players in general but not so much in eve but they can be said to be annoying, crude, stupid and pompous.
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Xavier Cardde
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Posted - 2005.08.05 03:08:00 -
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Edited by: Xavier Cardde on 05/08/2005 03:08:38
Originally by: Nick Curso
Eve is like the british horror.
I completely agree! you just keep giving her money when ya need a bit of relaxation but every once in awhile she picks up a new trick that keeps you coming back for more...
OH... you mean horror...
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Wild Rho
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Posted - 2005.08.05 03:15:00 -
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Edited by: Wild Rho on 05/08/2005 03:18:03 For most of my time in eve I've been in pvp corps that are roughly 50/50 US and UK players and tbh as far as im concerned there's no real difference with the player mentality.
From my own experience all I can tell is that the only real difference between US and Uk players are the different times they play at, thats it really.
The smaller numbers of US players in Eve probably come from the lack of advertising mixed with already well established mmo's already running.
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svetlana
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Posted - 2005.08.05 03:36:00 -
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2 years of playing eve in the US, i have never seen even a single ad for this game anywhere. same situation here in canada now that i moved here.
the only reason i found out about the game in the first place was because i caught a friend playing it at his desk at work!
i only needed to see the game playing for a few minutes and i was hooked- damn him! ;)
and fyi- not a single other american gamer i have met has even heard of eve. 'eve'? whats that? is it an acronym for something? and except for the launch month (when i bought a box copy in store) i have not seen the game on store shelves anywhere for years. evertime i go ito a gaming store i glance around for it on the shelf out of curiosity- none there. by comparison i saw a lot of ads for EaB around when eve released, and there are always lots of ads for other games that are already popular in america.
i have no idea how the marketing is going for you europeans, but in north america it is probably word of mouth or an internet search that are the only places to find out that this game exists here.
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Layrex
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Posted - 2005.08.05 03:37:00 -
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Eve is what it is because of the mature/intelligent userbase. As xenophobic as it sounds American gamers seem to be the worst kind, in FPS. But, in other mmo's i've always chosen to play on American servers, because when they arn't 13 year old AOL users, they are the nicest people you can play with. ------------------------------
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QwaarJet
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Posted - 2005.08.05 03:53:00 -
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I'm in a small Alliance.I am UK(Scotland).
My Corp are mostly British, the only other corp in the Alliance are mostly American.
Several guys in the other corp can be quite nasty ans bitter, whereas the British guys are always dead nice.I have found that to be the case in every game I have played. "Hobbes, she stepped into the Perimter Of Wisdom.Run!" |
Cannedbeef
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Posted - 2005.08.05 03:58:00 -
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Originally by: without UK FTW
corp im in is mostly UK players, lots of corps seem to advertise UK europ time player, leading me to believe the EU and UK have more players than the US on eve
some ppl saying opening eve up to the asian market would be bad, want to explain Y?
i think in otehr topicks they said that asains would mine and sell on ebay ect cos their currency is low, WELL STFU
even if true, the price of isk ect will drop dramaticly on ebay ect, making it worthless to sell eve items, which is a good thing, means less CHEATING
what else oh yeh
UK FTW
This I see as a typical american teen gamer post. Complete lack of spelling, grammatical sense, resorting to insults and such, using random CAPS... Yet he is british. There are these sorts of people on BOTH sides of the ocean, though I admit there are most likely more on my side. I am American.
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Cannedbeef
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Posted - 2005.08.05 04:01:00 -
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Oh, and I am personally inherently racist towards asian gamers due to experiences in WoW, Lineage 2, DaoC, Asherons Call, Counter Strike, numerous other FPS's and such.
While I admit American teens can, and mostly are bad, we dont compare to how asians have portrayed themself in these prior games.
Im not saying I am anti-asian, im saying this is how they have portrayed themselves, unwillingly.
"KEKEKE" and ... whatever that thing they yell out in Lineage2 all the time..
Im babbling, have fun all.
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.08.05 04:06:00 -
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Asian market will ruin eve. Go play this little game called shattered galaxy if you want to see what the asian market does to a mmo game. I Die A lot in this vid
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flummox
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Posted - 2005.08.05 04:07:00 -
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Edited by: flummox on 05/08/2005 04:08:58 it's like the " , vs . as a numerical separator" thread all over again.
also, to the original poster, i believe you stated you weren't trying to start anything. well, what the hell were you thinking this would do??
c'mon!
also, to those who think any market, or nationality/citizenship, will ruin eve are the same people who probably spew 'adapt or die' spittle all over this forum...
this is a shame...
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Layrex
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Posted - 2005.08.05 04:09:00 -
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It'd be ok if there was an asian-only server setup. ------------------------------
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Sorja
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Posted - 2005.08.05 04:14:00 -
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While we are at it, could we get rid of the Scots, please?
Not that they are bad guys, but I can't understand a #*|@º word of what they say on TS
Seriously, what Bhaal said is cool, and I'm not too excited neither about asians coming massively to EVE. It's not being racist or anything, but one should know they have a very different culture when it comes to computer games. Having played other games with koreans, I can tell you their playstyle doesn't suit me at all. Maybe it would be different on EVE, who knows...
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slip66
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Posted - 2005.08.05 04:18:00 -
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there is zero advertisement of eve in the US. Plus they dont sell the game in store anymore. The fact that any of us play the game in decent numbers is a miracle.
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S31Apocalypse
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Posted - 2005.08.05 04:33:00 -
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sry i infest your game.. us americans shouldnt be on that internet thing..
all that computer & online tech is new to us.. thanks for the light bulb to
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Lord Artemis
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Posted - 2005.08.05 04:49:00 -
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Originally by: slip66 there is zero advertisement of eve in the US. Plus they dont sell the game in store anymore. The fact that any of us play the game in decent numbers is a miracle.
word of mouth and the internet have mainly been responsible for the people i have introduced to the game and have met while playing ___________________________
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Van Cleef
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Posted - 2005.08.05 05:22:00 -
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The one who brought up Shattered Galaxy had a good point, the mass amounts of Asians that flocked to it drove non-Asians off of it. Thats not a slight towards Asians, they just dominated the game and people lost interest because the Asian-only groups took over the major aspects and couldn't interact with the non-asians very well.
In America, there is absolutely NO ADVERTISING market for Eve. I found Eve before release because I was playing a different space game called Jumpgate, and someone posted a link. Had I not been playing that, I would have never known about it.
Since release I haven't seen a EVE on the shelf anywhere in the US, hell, even at release, I barely saw many copies. That was around 2 years ago. People play a game, and people leave a game. When you have no new people coming into a game, and people leaving, that's called a deficit. I know that EVE advertises in some UK markets (recent ads on SC-FI UK channel). I don't know if that is because of advertising costs or what.
To the statements of US players being immature or whatever, thats idiotic.
There are over 260 million people in America, much greater than that of the Britian. The standard of living in America is pretty high - with a VAST majority of households now having a computer and an internet connection. Sure, US has more 13 year old idiots, but that is just simple math, we have more people. Don't throw your stereotypes around spouting like they are proven facts. I've ran into people from both sides of the pond that I would have liked to reach through their monitor and choke. ------------------------------------------------ Serve the State Join Channel CAINCOM |
Julius Nero
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Posted - 2005.08.05 05:44:00 -
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Edited by: Julius Nero on 05/08/2005 05:44:48 I live in the U.S. and to be honest, you won't find much players here playing EVE Online.
In fact, I've never heard or spoken to anyone in my college who plays EVE or knows a EVE player.
The majority are playing WoW, FFXI, GW, Runescape or even Ragnarok Online. It's just these games appeal to the younger age groups, which imo make up most of the online players here in the U.S.
I'm not saying us U.S. players are immature, but we have a lot of other games to choose from, and EVE just isn't the easiest game to catch on to or comprehend at first.
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