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Gabby05	Posted - 2005.08.05 05:47:00 - [61] I like it mainly being UK based, not because i have anything bad to say about other countrys, but because its great moving stuff around. You bring other players from all over the world you just get 24 hour gate camps. 60,000 accounts are not really individual accounts and only 12,000 usually log on at anyone time. Iv read the posts where people say they have 2/3 accounts.
Sleazy Cabbie	Posted - 2005.08.05 07:57:00 - [62] I dont think the game would be as good if it were made primarily for an American audience. It's the European flavor that gives it an artsy cosmopolitan vibe, if Americans coded it, it would prolly feel more like "Space Trucker Online."
Ice Foxy	Posted - 2005.08.05 08:10:00 - [63] Originally by: Hamatitio Irish are too...err lucky? too drunk more like!
Heraklitus Nomidzon	Posted - 2005.08.05 08:15:00 - [64] All of the generalizations being made in this thread are just hillarious.
Boonaki	Posted - 2005.08.05 08:19:00 - [65] U.S. gamers aren't any different then U.K. gamers. I played Lineage 2 for about a week and a half, and it's the targeting of an Asian market that makes a game... interesting? In that game the Asians would follow around the non Asians and grief the hell out of em. Imagine your killing an NPC battleships in .4 empire, and a logistics cruiser warps in, starts boosting the NPC battleships. If you killed that logistics cruiser you would be -6.0 from that one kill. Now imagine 100's of those cruisers just targeting Americans, following them around, because they don't want them playing their game. It worked on me. Fear the Ibis of doom.
Jorev	Posted - 2005.08.05 08:34:00 - [66] There's less american players because of a)lack of marketing and b)console culture. Both were mentioned in this thread already. I think eve is the way it is beacause CCP runs in decidedly "non-commercial" manner. Can you imagine what would EA or Sony do to this game? Can you blame em? When SONY CEO asks for annual report from Everquest division, the numbers better add up or else...
Hesprax	Posted - 2005.08.05 08:47:00 - [67] Edited by: Hesprax on 05/08/2005 08:48:37 Originally by: Cerberal I like US gamers due to how competetive they get (i am one myself). They sometimes go to unneeded risks to achieve a goal. I Like UK gamers because of their humor and overall friendlyness. But they get the job done. You seem to have made similar observations to me. It doesn't always hold true of course but by and large the Americans are typically the ones raring to go, they seem to be highly competitive and will often take major risks to achieve goals. I've also noticed that Americans are often those possessed of least patience, whatever their age. I will say this though, the Americans are usually good at motivating, they tend to have lots of short term drive but do lack staying power a bit, the British lack the short term drive but tend to stick at it for longer ...once they stop thinking it through and actually get moving. The British also seem to think things through and look at problems from a greater number of perspectives before taking any action, however they can also get overly caught up on details when they should perhaps be doing rather than talking. I've also observed that Americans tend to be very good at coming up with plans, the British seem to be better at improvising and on the spot thinking. Both get the job done, they just seem to have different ways of going about it. They can compliment each other fairly well anyway, so no problems there. These are only generalisations from my own experiences and I know players from both sides of the Atlantic, which break the mould. The Canadians seem to have a happy medium going, they have the stereotypical traits of both Americans and British in varying amounts ...well the ones I know do, which is a good thing or the most part. And as for the Ausies , well they seem to be a rare breed in Eve, but you can't beat them for livening up TS, they have ways of describing situations and looking at things that are not only hilarious but also quite different to anyone else. An angry Ausie shouting on TS is something everyone should get to hear :D ...takes a heck of a lot to get them to that point but when they go off you will be blessed with some of THE most creative profanity you have ever heard ...hehe. I am also a little concerned about what the Asian gaming community may do to Eve, not from a Xenophobic or racist point of view but from experience with the totally different Asian apporach to MMO's. Personally I like to play with a variety of different people, I find it fascinating to note how similar the ideas and approaches of people who are of the same nationality often are, and how different they can be from those of different nationalities. Naturally there are stark exceptions from time to time. If I have offended anyone in the course of this post then it was you that took offence and is not what I intended, thus it is your problem. Have a good day and thanks for reading
hired goon	Posted - 2005.08.05 08:51:00 - [68] This is a LOCAL game for LOCAL people. We'll have no Americans here! I like Eve because I can have this conversation on teamspeak in the middle of a fleet battle, and half the people will know what I'm talking about; "Hey Blade is on" "Really? What channel mate?" "ITV" "Cool" But seriously... does anyone else remember those threads started by the mods to find out how many players in Europe and how many in the US? I think the US one was a few pages longer (both finishing at about 30 pages), so I'm not sure about there being more UK blokes. And, I've always been in favour of opening up Eve to more markets to bring in more newbies, because it will make the game better for everyone. Especially the Asian thing. But the way some of you are describing the Asian players, it sounds like opening the gates of hell! Chasing non-asians out of the game with 12 accounts each and exploits? Surely it's just as much a generalization as immature US teens or snobby Brits? And if not, surely Eve is the kind of game they couldn't 'ruin'? I mean, the harass petition is always the first one GMs sort out. The dev/gm/mod/player relation is very close in this game, much more than corporate money-making MMOGs by Sony or whatever. I think any troublemakers would be smacked down pretty quick. And, if all the Asians make huge asian-only alliances and take a few regions, what's there to stop a massive Asian / TheRest war that'd be fun for everyone! ------------ We come in peace. And tanks.
Hesprax	Posted - 2005.08.05 08:54:00 - [69] Originally by: hired goon This is a LOCAL game for LOCAL people. We'll have no Americans here! Now then now then, what's all this shouting! ...
hired goon	Posted - 2005.08.05 08:57:00 - [70] Originally by: Hesprax An angry Ausie shouting on TS is something everyone should get to hear :D It's cool, but I'd say Sorja's wife on ts is something everyone should get to hear Sorry mate it's just the french accent. ------------ We come in peace. And tanks.
Acuna Traos	Posted - 2005.08.05 09:27:00 - [71] I don't normally post in threads like this but I'm week willed when at work, so here it goes. For the record I am a UK player, and what I have noticed in eve is that there is a wide variety of nationalities in general playing. Each nationality brings a certain style to the game, making the game more diverse. I've also noticed each style of play influences all the other styles of play creating yet more unique play styles. It's this variety and unpredictability in most situations that makes EvE great. It's the fact that one single culture does not totally dominate the entire game. You get players that rush into combat without thinking and others who think too much(and so never get into combat), but put them together and you have two people that take well prepared risks. Players who enjoy mining/construction mixing with PvPers forming mighty empires (ok maybe not too mighty as of yet). You'll notice that I am avoiding mentioning actual nationalities here, you can place whatever stereotype you like for each style. Is the player rushing into combat American, or just young.. or is he in fact neither and one of my UK house mates (depending how young you consider young). People are just people, they get influenced by others all the time and tend to remember the bad things about people and then label there entire culture or age group or whatever they think of at the time as all acting in that way. I know I do it, I just try and recognise from time to time that I am doing that and slap myself mentally to stop it. And as for the Asian thing, I had a little stint of Lineage 2 a while back and what I found was that there was defiantly a divide between the Asian and American players. but it seemed to be both sides fault. The Asians liked to farm allot and this spoiled some peoples fun, so hostilities arose cause people couldn't cope with it. In fact I firstr noticed the hostilities when and Asian char I was grouped with was harassed by a party of American players. In my party there was actually a mix of nationalities including some Americans and we all told the other group where to shove it. During this some high lvl Asian chars came over to help out. now in this situation it all blew over quite quickly, but basically it seemed like a minority of aggressive players tilting the balance in a racial divide so things erred towards a war like mentality. This I doubt would happen in eve unless the current player base lets it happen. If the market is opened to the Asian community its more likely to trickle them in than there be a flood and besides it would take them years to catch up in SP Another thing is games like lineage 2 actively encourage macro's, where as in eve you get banned for it. Also CCP search out ebay isk sellers and ban them too. Allot of MMORPG's don't do this. Ok so they arenÆt omniscient but they at least they are trying to do the right thing.
Maggot	Posted - 2005.08.05 09:30:00 - [72] I love the fact that we play this game across the globe. When we have 10 people in corp chat there will be usually 6 nations represented, and even in small alliance ops the number must go into double figures. Would be great to get more US players though and we are always on the look out to recruit them.
Failin Zhar	Posted - 2005.08.05 09:38:00 - [73] Edited by: Failin Zhar on 05/08/2005 09:39:09 Edited by: Failin Zhar on 05/08/2005 09:38:09 As long as people act mature I've no beef with them. There is one exception though (isn't there always?). Asians (asians and living in Asia) players. I believe it would be the doom of this game if it was to be released in Asia. I've played L2 and I have to say, just like someone above me did, that there is a huge differance in playstyle. L2 has put me off to asian players for the rest of my life, they made such a bad impression on me. Please lets keep this a western game. Besides, I love the fact we have so many EU players in this game. It's a nice change from "americans-everywhere" as is the situation in many other mmos. I have more in common with europeans (like timezone!) than americans and it's fun to meet a swedish player (the few times it happens)! edit Wow...STILL no picture of me? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination.
Oosel	Posted - 2005.08.05 09:38:00 - [74] Originally by: Galk Brits.... Prime example : David Braben What did this guy do : Elite What did all those british kids do on the bbc micros at the time: Play elite (among other micropower popular games) Eve online in many british peoples eyes: Elite online I think i speak for a nation when i make that as a prime example you are so right with this......waited 15 years for multiplayer elite and eve is that and more
Rick Dentill	Posted - 2005.08.05 09:38:00 - [75] My corp is a 50:50 mix of US and UK players. I have also noticed there are a fair number of Eurpean players, don't forget them! In my experience, French, Germans, Dutch and Swedish folk. And the Red Alliance is Russian and Eastern European, there is a busy mix. _______ Save me Jebus! http://x-universe.kiwi.nu/dd.php
Sun Ra	Posted - 2005.08.05 09:46:00 - [76] Originally by: Bhaal Do we have any hard/soft (ok, take a damn guess) numbers how many of each make up the 60,000 subscriptions? Reading the US vs UK PC Gammer articles, I wonder if our cultures look for different things out of PC games... Is PCG UK so high on EVE because it's a non-US based MMO? Does the UK gamming community like it so much because the game is not infested with US gamers like many other MMO's? Just some questions I've been pondering since reading the PCG UK thread... Are US & UK gamers afraid of what could happen to EVE if/when it's opened up to the Asian market? Not read the replies.. but most big mmo games have US or Euro servers so unlike eve the 2 never meet We're coming for you
Rednaxela Nilkcam	Posted - 2005.08.05 09:49:00 - [77] I had another character a long time ago in Eve and he was part of C-Tech -- we had a good few American guys and they were very mature and very nice gamers to play with. I witnessed my mate playing WoW on a UK based server and the British players had a dreadfull attitude towards other players. If anybody typed anything in French or German in local channel the British players would fire a barrage of racist insults at them..crazy. I think it all boils down to the individual and the gaming environment. I dont think Eve attracts the gung-ho players that the likes of WoW or even FPS's such as CS attract. Also I think having just 1 server negates the racial differences we all have anyway. Anyhoo, thats just my viewpoint. A Brit. yaaaarrrrr etc
Sun Ra	Posted - 2005.08.05 09:52:00 - [78] Edited by: Sun Ra on 05/08/2005 09:53:16 Originally by: Oosel Originally by: Galk Brits.... Prime example : David Braben What did this guy do : Elite What did all those british kids do on the bbc micros at the time: Play elite (among other micropower popular games) Eve online in many british peoples eyes: Elite online I think i speak for a nation when i make that as a prime example you are so right with this......waited 15 years for multiplayer elite and eve is that and more Yup im guessing Elite didnt make it to the states?? It was massive here, i had it on 3 diffrent computer formats over like 10 years? for those who dont know the game its was a space trading/combat game that came out around 1984 i think and had a massive cult following We're coming for you
Arcticblue2	Posted - 2005.08.05 10:06:00 - [79] Could not bother to read the whole thread but those american's I have met ingame (and well I never really ask where they are from but sometimes you get to know anyway) are all really cool guys. Have also met a few brits and they are also cool guys is there a difference ??? well not really in my eyes. Have met finns, swedish (have some in my corp), norwegians (am norwegian myself), other europeans and even some asians ... common for them all is that they have mostly been very cool people who seems to love this game just as much as I am ---------------------------------------------- "When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child: now that I am become a man, I have put away childish things." 1 cor. 13:11
Bhaal	Posted - 2005.08.05 10:16:00 - [80] All the replies are quite interesting, and I can see there are a variety of opinions... There seems to be one common opinion though, and that has to do with the Asians... I've never played an MMO with them, but some of you guys are scaring me on that one... I hope CCP does the right thing when they open this game up to that market. What if 100,000 Asians join the game within the first month? Eeeeek! Run to the hills! ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE
boldielocks	Posted - 2005.08.05 10:23:00 - [81] Edited by: boldielocks on 05/08/2005 10:25:53 Edited by: boldielocks on 05/08/2005 10:25:26 UMM Eilte played it for years and yes it what made me start this game on-topic the genulisations in this thread are rediculous because you can't tell where a player is from unless a)they tell you b)your on ts/vent with them. So, that being the case i can't tell from play style who is from what coninent, can you? and the point that some one brought up about the asian's grifeing non asian's out wel that won't happen casue the griefing systems that are in place ie, gm's would hear about it and do something about it (I hope) And having used ts and vent to talk to people and then knowing if there us/euro/brit it makes no diffrence to me as long as politics and religion stay out of the conversation and they don't preach at me, then i'm happy i join a ts sever to talk about the game and have a laugh not get preached at. any way euro player here and i love playing bring on the asains more players = good for the game subs go up move devs get hired= good, more content, less bugs, makes this player happy edit spelling but then i'm dislecsic so blah There's no such thing as madness, just diffrent degrees of normality.
Fester Addams	Posted - 2005.08.05 10:29:00 - [82] Im sure the US players make upp a large portion of the players, probably less than 50% but still large. The number of UK players is probably considerably lower even if they are proably higher than the norm. I would guess the two groups together make upp max 50% of the players. Europeean players probably outnumber the US ones tho. ------------ 20. Is it true all pvpers have carebear alts? Yes, of course. I have so much fun looking up who's alt is who's kieron Community Manager, EVE Online
Fred0	Posted - 2005.08.05 10:31:00 - [83] Originally by: Syrec This game in and of itself appeals to a more intelligent and mature type of gamer. That's a common misconception that is prevalent in almost all MMO's in my experience.
Kaell Meynn	Posted - 2005.08.05 10:35:00 - [84] This thread makes me sad. Young US players are no better/worse than young UK gamers. The difference in this game is the stereotypical young players (of either culture) don't like the game, so they don't play it. I bet half the people in Eve don't know/care where the hell the servers are. And them being in UK (or are they in Iceland? I dunno) doesn't make this a UKers game, anymore than the Internet is a USers computer internetworking system (it started in US for those not aware), or elevators a UKers system of moving up and down tall buildings (I believe it was invented in England? Not sure, either way the point is it simply doesn't matter). The only diff's I see are that you get asses that think UK is better than US, and asses that think US is better than UK, and players from one are better than the other in one way or another, as opposed to games that have shards for locations, and then you get east coasters in US thinking they are better than west coasters, who think they are better than southerners, and on UK shard you get English thinking they are better than the Scots, thikning they are better than the Irish, etc, etc, etc... its all just xenophobic egocentric smacktalking, no matter what region it's from, and it's pathetic. BTW, yes, Elite was big here too, like 20 years ago, on both Comodore and Apple (I played on my Apple ][e).
sonofollo	Posted - 2005.08.05 10:41:00 - [85] in my experience certain country players have certain viewpoints on gameplay but on an individual level its also very variable. Large amount of UK players (main group i think) then u have the europeans (western) and then the ones like UA with eastern europ and russian players. Then u have the US players who make up a large portion. Some canadians. Then CCP are pushing into asia now as long as they keep banning certain unsavory practices. It will keep the RL income hunters out of the game. Ive met quite a few english speaking asian players (english is the 2nd language in chinesse schools now) and of course japanesse players met a lot of them they like eve. Usually very aggressive in combat to which is good. Ive seen quite a few middle eastern region players in game. Outside of that not many south americans. Um ive met a couple of south african based players but outside of that internet access in africa is well as predictable very sparse. Then u get to the aussies and kiwis - id like to see more coverage and more players from oz and kiwiland u got a failry large audience that in terms of multiplayer online games has about WOW for choice lol. I only found eve when looking through a google search for a space combat - trading game that wasnt 2d and eve is about it. Ive actually met quite a few aussies and kiwis in game and they liven the place up. Very seige mentality. ( he he = speaking of which im from down under myself)
Hesprax	Posted - 2005.08.05 10:44:00 - [86] Well quite appart from the somewhat dubious 'vs' title of the thread I find it quite interesting to read about different peoples perspectives on how each nationality typiclly likes to play, represent themselves and approach problems, ideas etc. I know it's a tricky one, what with the thread title and all but this doesn't have to turn nasty or Xenophobic in anyway.
sonofollo	Posted - 2005.08.05 10:49:00 - [87] no different cultural influences seem to affect some elements of gameplay on a numerical basis but in terms of individuals it mostly comes out in the various chat windows. Try to avoid real life religion - politics or cultural issues but us aussies like in terms of gameplay to really get into combat and do some crazy halfbrained things
Hesprax	Posted - 2005.08.05 11:08:00 - [88] Originally by: sonofollo no different cultural influences seem to affect some elements of gameplay on a numerical basis but in terms of individuals it mostly comes out in the various chat windows. Try to avoid real life religion - politics or cultural issues but us aussies like in terms of gameplay to really get into combat and do some crazy halfbrained things Hehe well, being a student of the social sciences, History, Politics and International Relations it is hard to have a conversation with me that ranges outside of Eve without me brining such things into it But yea I really do try on the forums, don't want to go breaking the rules. So far so good though, I think/hope. I should have chosen to do my dissertation on the effect nationality has on game play in Eve, or similar ..too late now.
Bhaal	Posted - 2005.08.05 11:10:00 - [89] Originally by: flummox Edited by: flummox on 05/08/2005 04:08:58 it's like the " , vs . as a numerical separator" thread all over again. also, to the original poster, i believe you stated you weren't trying to start anything. well, what the hell were you thinking this would do?? c'mon! also, to those who think any market, or nationality/citizenship, will ruin eve are the same people who probably spew 'adapt or die' spittle all over this forum... this is a shame... It's not a shame. It's obvious ppl have varrying opinions, and I wanted to see what others thoughts are on the subject. Not many ppl go through life with the political corrective lenses on all the time, and I believe we certainly do not play MMO's with those things on all the time too. Your viewpoint seems to be in the minority, that we can all just get along. In reality, no we cannot, and some of us never will. ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE
Seth Killbain	Posted - 2005.08.05 11:25:00 - [90] We may be from all around the world but we share one common detail. We all live in the same universe, so what does it matter.

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