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Cujo	Posted - 2005.08.07 02:55:00 - [1] This is a Stain Official Announcement to Mercenary Coalition that they do not have traveling rights in our space. This includes traveling through Catch Region starting with B-3 which is one jump from u-q. It is our policy to shoot neutrals and always has been in the past but we will withhold our usual policy of shooting neutrals until downtime on Monday so all of Mercenary Coalition is informed. This Announcement has been posted on Mercenary Coalition's forums as well. Once downtime has passed the policy will be re-instated and any member of Mercenary Coalition caught in Stain space will be shot on sight. Any questions you may have regarding this may be brought to any member of Foreign Affairs, Boofer or Khaerie. Cujo / Stain Emperor ------------------------------ Terror Has A New Name. Stain CEO / Species 5618 CEO
slip66	Posted - 2005.08.07 03:12:00 - [2] Nice threads :)
shivan	Posted - 2005.08.07 03:13:00 - [3] just so the MC know, this has been posted on your own forumes as well --------------------------------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination http://ZeldereX.com/?topic=7599
IamBen	Posted - 2005.08.07 04:00:00 - [4] nice press release pick :)
Leno	Posted - 2005.08.07 04:11:00 - [5] wow talk about a position u dont wanna be in. On one hand u got ur allies u just cant let get rapped by allowing hostiles through without making them very mad and on the other chance u run the risk of having MC dec you as well. Still think you made the right decision in the long run as the MC may cause u some pain but not over a long time and not likly past the end of the contract as long as u dont push it too hard. Also good idea to post on their forums to ensure that they know, increases odds that negitive standing will be reset. Well played --------------- RIP - Smoske, My Friend Coasterbrian > babies are good, especially raw Coasterbrian > soft and crunchy at
General Killah	Posted - 2005.08.07 05:36:00 - [6] For God sake someone is sane. --------------------------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination.
SengH	Posted - 2005.08.07 05:58:00 - [7] Edited by: SengH on 07/08/2005 05:57:58 I think the MC would probably have to reevaluate the price with their client before they war dec another alliance at the same time :P The price goes up considerably afaik
FalloutBoy	Posted - 2005.08.07 07:14:00 - [8] Yeah!! Targets who won't run away !!!
Xthril Ranger	Posted - 2005.08.07 07:17:00 - [9] Originally by: General Killah For God sake someone is sane. So , is your enemy's enemy your friend? hirr
FalloutBoy	Posted - 2005.08.07 07:32:00 - [10] Originally by: Xthril Ranger Originally by: General Killah For God sake someone is sane. So , is your enemy's enemy your friend? lol
Trooper B99	Posted - 2005.08.07 09:19:00 - [11] Originally by: SengH I think the MC would probably have to reevaluate the price with their client before they war dec another alliance at the same time :P The price goes up considerably afaik It depends on the Alliance lad. Some are more capable than others. It also depends on the client or clients. We hae wee chats wi' 'em and they let us know what they wnt and we try and make it happen. I mean, look at the last big contract the MC had. Imperium and Fountain Alliances and the group of rogues known as Celestial Apocalypse all at the same time. CEratinly didn't strtch our resources or those of our client grins or clients. . . . We have taken contract on multiple entites at times from differeent clients, it depends on if the client is happy with us taking a second list of targets or if the second client is aware we will split our time. End of the day, personal Communication is invaluable. Quote: This is a Stain Official Announcement to Mercenary Coalition Cujo, might have been worth actually having your diplomats be diplomatic and speak with an MC rep before getting all grandiose on our asses. Besides, you'd said you'll shoot neutrals anywhere in 0.0 after monday . . . which includes us. I think Sel's already said her piece to Khaerie. Wirykomi Team Racer - COLOSSUS Championships Year 106
Cyric EagleEye	Posted - 2005.08.07 09:26:00 - [12] Originally by: General Killah For God sake someone is sane. Signed. AMEN Cujo The best political statement ever.
Seleene	Posted - 2005.08.07 10:05:00 - [13] Originally by: Trooper B99 I think Sel's already said her piece to Khaerie. And I'll say it again here. I must ask if you honestly believe this policy of shooting at us makes your region and pilots safer? Who exactly are you protecting by doing this? The chances of you seeing any MC in SE space are small. Cujo, last night we had the oppertunity to destroy no less than five SE ships. They were not in B-3 or lower and they most certianly would have met a quick death. This did not happen. Why? Because we had no reason to shoot at them. Now we do. I assume you are doing this to show support for your ASCN allies? Bravo to that. However, if you want to show ASCN some real support, why not issue a war dec against the MC and throw your full weight behind them instead? Lastly, we appreicate the Monday deadline but it is not necessary. Our pilots have already been informed to treat any SE ship they encounter as a potential threat and will respond accordingly. We respect your decision. Good luck to you and yours. Oh, very nice banner BTW. - We're outnumbered! That simplifies the problem!
Elenia Kheynes	Posted - 2005.08.07 11:00:00 - [14] Kill'em all Seleene Dear friendly customer... Can I have your money ?
Klaryssa	Posted - 2005.08.07 11:29:00 - [15] Way to poke at the hornet's nest, Stain.
psycorabbit	Posted - 2005.08.07 11:38:00 - [16] wooo more red and i get to shoot my ex allaince m8s for the first time \o/ have fun all :)
corporal hicks	Posted - 2005.08.07 12:31:00 - [17] Originally by: Klaryssa Way to poke at the hornet's nest, Stain. Have to agree, MC have the best rep of any group in this game as been totally unbiased when it comes to there contracts and merc work. Getting in the way of them doing there contract is a bad move on SE's part, not for the present but I am sure MC might not look upon this in a nice light if SE ever need MC services in the future. " Stay Frosty "
Lowa	Posted - 2005.08.07 12:51:00 - [18] I'm totally ok with this, now we know their intentions and can act accordingly. No big deal, they dont want us or any other neutrals in their space and at the same time help out ASCN with restriction our travell routes. Fine. See you out there. Perhaps. Cheers, LOWA Contact Mercenary Coalition
Generatorn	Posted - 2005.08.07 12:55:00 - [19] Originally by: corporal hicks Originally by: Klaryssa Way to poke at the hornet's nest, Stain. Have to agree, MC have the best rep of any group in this game as been totally unbiased when it comes to there contracts and merc work. Getting in the way of them doing there contract is a bad move on SE's part, not for the present but I am sure MC might not look upon this in a nice light if SE ever need MC services in the future. We are professionals and if Stain for whatever reasone would want to hire the MC in the future this will in no way affect our decision to take such a contract
BOOFER	Posted - 2005.08.07 13:43:00 - [20] Originally by: Seleene And I'll say it again here. I must ask if you honestly believe this policy of shooting at us makes your region and pilots safer? Who exactly are you protecting by doing this? The chances of you seeing any MC in SE space are small. Cujo, last night we had the oppertunity to destroy no less than five SE ships. They were not in B-3 or lower and they most certianly would have met a quick death. This did not happen. Why? Because we had no reason to shoot at them. Now we do. I assume you are doing this to show support for your ASCN allies? Bravo to that. However, if you want to show ASCN some real support, why not issue a war dec against the MC and throw your full weight behind them instead? Lastly, we appreicate the Monday deadline but it is not necessary. Our pilots have already been informed to treat any SE ship they encounter as a potential threat and will respond accordingly. We respect your decision. Good luck to you and yours. Oh, very nice banner BTW. The explination is very simple. We do not give free rein to neutrals wishing to cross our space. The fact they are allies is almost irrelevant. If someone with neutral standings wishes to traverse our territory the should do the courtesy of a simple convo to request access. So any MC ships attempting to use our space will be shot. We have no wish to fight MC, but the descion is yours. Find another way around or roll the dice. Convo me ingame if you ever need to discuss such things in future. Boofer _______________________________________________
Amthrianius	Posted - 2005.08.07 14:12:00 - [21] Best banner, ever.. ---------------
Recluse XXX	Posted - 2005.08.07 14:16:00 - [22] Originally by: General Killah For God sake someone is sane. God is dead... //Rec -----------
Tekkaman	Posted - 2005.08.07 15:24:00 - [23] yeah its simple. they dont want neutrals in there space, like most other alliances. and as they are mercenaries they can get contratc against that alliance so it would not be wise to let them in any alliance space as they can make bm;s + stockpile the stations
Ithildin	Posted - 2005.08.07 15:54:00 - [24] Originally by: Tekkaman yeah its simple. they dont want neutrals in there space, like most other alliances. and as they are mercenaries they can get contratc against that alliance so it would not be wise to let them in any alliance space as they can make bm;s + stockpile the stations Stain Empire is only hoping to help ASCN by confining us to enter ASCN space through the Kari - W9-DID - 3L3N route only. As for bookmarks, Mercenary Coalition has bookmarks for 80% of all 0.0, especially ex-XF and Stain space are properly bookmarked with safespots, instajumps, and staging points. Most of our bookmarks come from a neutral third party corporations, and they are all carefully verified to be from the original creators. This ensures that the proffession doesn't die out and that we have a full coverage of the regions we operate in. We of the Mercenary Coalition does welcome and support Stain Empire's decission, however. It is not too common that alliances and other entities state their intent ahead of time. As Seleene did state, however, Mercenary Coalition will not act on the 24 hour deadline and has already issued orders that Stain are to be regarded as hostiles where found in 0.0 (especially ASCN space). MC reports no Stain ship kills so far. -- http://mc.stylii.com/sigs/Ithildin/Ye-Shadows.png Prototype sig
Jodax	Posted - 2005.08.07 15:57:00 - [25] Originally by: corporal hicks Originally by: Klaryssa Way to poke at the hornet's nest, Stain. Have to agree, MC have the best rep of any group in this game as been totally unbiased when it comes to there contracts and merc work. Getting in the way of them doing there contract is a bad move on SE's part, not for the present but I am sure MC might not look upon this in a nice light if SE ever need MC services in the future. So, let's say MC declared on BoB (and this is just a hypothetical statement), and they wanted to come through FIX space to attack them, you'd say <sarcasm> "sure, go ahead, we won't shoot you". And then BoB would say "Hey no worries about letting MC through your space to attack us, we're still friends right?". </sarcasm> As far as I know, SE were never asked to take this stance, but my personal opinion is that I am impressed by their decision to stand by the people they have chosen to ally with. A lot of other corporations/alliances could learn something here. No other alliance would allow any other neutral group passage through their space to attack their allies, why should MC be afforded any different stance?
Cujo	Posted - 2005.08.07 16:13:00 - [26] We do not doubt your originations ability's, nor do we wish a war. We just simply wish to stay neutral in your quest for ASCN. Also, extending a little common courtesy by commutations would have not brought the announcement. True ASCN are friends of Stain and I'm sure you can appreciate the fact that we can not allow passage thu our space to attack friends, but by attacking us you will end up causing a major conflict that will no doubt involve more than just Stain and ASCN which will make your contract more difficult to fulfill. We do not allow neutrals in our space for many reasons and have done this for over 2 years now so this should be common knowledge to all of eve. The announcement was made to make our position on this matter since no one thought to ask. The choice is entirely up to you. We will not fire unless our borders are crossed and ask that you respect our borders in this matter. Sincerely Cujo...... ------------------------------ R.I.P Rampage... Always Remember Stain
Hellraiza666	Posted - 2005.08.07 16:46:00 - [27] Go MC \o/ -------------------------------------------- In War There Are No Runners Up... Image by Denrace
Draximus Cane	Posted - 2005.08.07 16:51:00 - [28] Can someone please explain in simple terms what this means to a simple combat pilot? I read it as "uhh duuhh, more red, huh huh mmmm" Am I correct? -------------------------------------------------
Seleene	Posted - 2005.08.07 16:52:00 - [29] Edited by: Seleene on 07/08/2005 16:52:41 Originally by: Cujo Also, extending a little common courtesy by commutations would have not brought the announcement. The announcement was made to make our position on this matter since no one thought to ask. Cujo, the simple fact is that the MC has no need to enter SE space except for the most extreme northern part of your border which rarely has a soul in it anyway. We did not contact you because we did not anticipate it would be necessary to let you know we might pass through for three or four minutes per day. It's very simple. We need to get from A to C. In order to get to C, we need to briefly fly through B. You are B. You don't care what we do in A. You don't care what we do to the poor bastards in C. So why bother worrying about B at all? Let me put it another way - we aren't interested in shooting Sansha's. We aren't interested in shooting SE ships. We aren't interested in mining SE's minerals. We aren't interested in even renting an office in SE territory. We are not interested in you. At least we weren't until now. That you claim you did not do this in support of ASCN is even more strange. Why bother then? We had oppertunities last night to fire on SE ships that were nowhere near your territory and did not. Now, due to this statement, we must assume the worst of any SE pilot we encounter even if we run into him or her outside your claimed space. All you have done is paint a big target on them with this grandiose press release. It's admirable, but completely over the top for dealing with an organization such as ours. You want us to play NBSI? We can do that. Or you can just leave us to our buisiness and everyone is happy, but until I hear otherwise, we will assume SE is hostile. Originally by: Draximus Cane Can someone please explain in simple terms what this means to a simple combat pilot? I read it as "uhh duuhh, more red, huh huh mmmm" Am I correct? Yes, Drax, you can shoot that ship I told you not to last night. - We're outnumbered! That simplifies the problem!
shivan	Posted - 2005.08.07 17:18:00 - [30] TBH I don't think this posistion is gonna get changed any time soon, also it might also be due to the fact that you didn't even ask us. Regardless of how many people may or may not be there, its still SE held space and its space you didn't even think to ask if you could travel through. Assumptions are the mother of all f*** ups. If you truly have or had no intrest in Stain, then maybe the MC should pull it forces out of catch 100% and find another route to attack them from that might not go through SE held space. Just my 2 isk's worth --------------------------------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination http://ZeldereX.com/?topic=7599

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