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Ithildin	Posted - 2005.08.09 16:52:00 - [61] Originally by: Novah Maybe this is true but as its been said......you have no intention of engaging SE yet to pass through to ascn space you have to enter stain space. Its inevitable that there is going to be conflict somewhere here. Since i only deal with internal matters and not foreign matters i can only assume that boofer has been spoken to as to your plans on how to bypass through stain to acheive you goals. If your goals seem to include engaging stain (which beleive has been mentioned in this thread) then thats something for foreign affairs to mediate. Yes, it would have been a mission for the foreign ministry, yet it landed in the press department. A basic problem here is that Stain claims, officially, slightly too much of Catch. The U-QVWD passage is the shortest route, but due to HED-GP we also tend to use the Providence "Corridor of Death" (as DDC like to call it), which actually let us go into ASCN space without using SE space at all. The actual space we (MC) would have to use that Stain actually claims is so irregurally patrolled and so ill-used by Stain that the residents of Stain would hardly notice our activities where it not for some of your citizens habit of utilizing Feythabolis as an alternative travel route to southernmost Stain space. Which alliance does not claim space they canot hold fully, though? All in all, a better solution to this entire mess would've been to have opened a convo with one of MC's representatives and asked for a temporary +5 standing along with an added "please stay out of our space", upon which we'd have discussed issues like the U-QVWD area to both sides satisfaction. Originally by: Nadalia Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that the MC is being recurrently contracted against the same alliances and corporations (FA and ASCN/CLS in particular - and yes, I realise those two are enemies). Is this in some way due to the MC's known reservation to wardeccing 'friends', or are we just to assume that nobody has contracted the mercs against the big PvP alliances (BoB, [5], FIX et al)? Don't mean any disrespect, I'm just curious. TC's mercenary history runs something like this: CVA, Huzzah, FoE, Keiretsu, XF, PA, Imp, PA & G, Tyrants, CELES, Imp, FA, and ASCN. A little bit of every camp, except those that tend to attack alliances with a little... less will... to hire mercenaries. Our friends, those we avoid taking contract on, are very few indeed. Fewer than most think. Personally, I think there's just about only one corporation except our own corporations that we don't do war on. And I will not discuss what corporation that is. Originally by: Razzil Mercenaries! Comparable to terrorists, but only with base motives! At least terrorists fight for an ultimate goal. And they are willing to die for it. The only motivation of mercenaries is dirty money. Oh, please. To compare soldiers to terrorists. Terrorists strike soley at the innocent, the cause a rift in all societies and their cause inevitably is hurt by their activities. Theirs is the cowards path, their sacrifices are for nothing and they will succede only in bringing evil to the world. Mercenaries are just like your so called "Emperor's finest", they are soldiers. The difference is that mercenaries doesn't work for ideals. Whether the soldier works for money or ideals, to elevate any soldier to an icon of a state or as an ideal is dangerous to say the least. All soldiers throughout history has raped, pillaged, and killed innocents out of fear and war-craze. From times before the EVE gate, before man could fly, to now. Even in the great Gallente-Caldari war. We are mercenaries. We do not hold ourselves with illusions about glorious deeds in honourable wars. -- Prototype sig
fugazii	Posted - 2005.08.09 16:55:00 - [62] Originally by: Seleene Originally by: Trooper B99 I think Sel's already said her piece to Khaerie. I must ask if you honestly believe this policy of shooting at us makes your region and pilots safer? Who exactly are you protecting by doing this? The chances of you seeing any MC in SE space are small. its not a matter of "safer" its a matter of you tresspassing on someones property and that said party not wanting you to do so. dont let your "fame" go to your head, just because you mean no immediate threat to anyone it doesnt give you the right to be there. you know as well as i do open borders dont work, they are only protecting thier property, and continueing to tresspass makes you not mercs but just commom pirates. also look at it from a diplomatic standpoint, you guys going through thier claimed space could be seen as aiding the enemy to other alliances, which could bring about additional unwanted wars because of your actions. merc work is one thing, violating borders and causing possible problems to the residents of the space violated who arent involved is just unprofessional. was always fun fighting w/and against u guys but uve deffinately gone down a notch in my book.
Abriana Overlord	Posted - 2005.08.09 16:57:00 - [63] WTF is the point of discussing this anymore. The statement has been made. All parties seem to understand it. So let the MC Contract run its term and if something happens in stain space then so be it.
Kane Jacobs	Posted - 2005.08.09 19:55:00 - [64] Originally by: Abriana Overlord WTF is the point of discussing this anymore. The statement has been made. All parties seem to understand it. So let the MC Contract run its term and if something happens in stain space then so be it. Well the thread aint locked and Im sure there's plenty of ppl with some flame still left in them... _______________________________________________
Ithildin	Posted - 2005.08.09 21:11:00 - [65] For the record, any claims of Mercenary Coaltion trespassing into anyones claimed, stable, area in 0.0 are manufactured. There may be exceptions, but with these the inhabitants had already previously stated their express hostility towards Mercenary Coaltion. This is to the best of my knowledge. Most, or all agressions, on MC has been in unclaimed (or highly anarchic) space or space claimed by one of our (at that time) targets. -- Prototype sig
Rizmordan Hillgotlieb	Posted - 2005.08.09 22:58:00 - [66] Edited by: Rizmordan Hillgotlieb on 09/08/2005 23:01:21 Actually... and I have to say this. When we have a contract to fulfill IMO we in the MC will go where we damn well please to fulfill it! thank you very much! We could care less what anyone thinks, what their stance is against us, whatever, you want to shoot an MC member? BRING FRIENDS! And for those that think MC is on a high horse... WE ARE. You wanna be higher? Buy an elephant! Sorry but i'm just tired of all the ignorance on these boards after two years of reading them.
Khaerie	Posted - 2005.08.09 23:20:00 - [67] Riz, outside of shooting and being shot at, what do you have to be arrogant over? I'm sure you think this is a flame but it isn't. I always try to understand another person's view and I sure don't claim to be a pvper. I only give people half points because I'm so easy to take out. So help me understand your view. You could even handle it ingame if you prefer. I'm always open for the discussion. 2nd in Command for Stain Empire Foreign Affairs CEO
FalloutBoy	Posted - 2005.08.09 23:29:00 - [68] Originally by: Ithildin For the record, any claims of Mercenary Coaltion trespassing into anyones claimed, stable, area in 0.0 are manufactured. There may be exceptions, but with these the inhabitants had already previously stated their express hostility towards Mercenary Coaltion. This is to the best of my knowledge. Most, or all agressions, on MC has been in unclaimed (or highly anarchic) space or space claimed by one of our (at that time) targets. so let me try to deciefer this. your saying we don't claim the space that we claim?
shivan	Posted - 2005.08.10 02:19:00 - [69] i claim that your my bitc...... errrrrr corp mate --------------------------------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination http://ZeldereX.com/?topic=7599
FalloutBoy	Posted - 2005.08.10 03:21:00 - [70] Originally by: shivan i claim that your my bitc...... errrrrr corp mate oh your so podded

Kirex	Posted - 2005.08.10 05:14:00 - [71] Originally by: Ithildin All in all, a better solution to this entire mess would've been to have opened a convo with one of MC's representatives and asked for a temporary +5 standing along with an added "please stay out of our space", upon which we'd have discussed issues like the U-QVWD area to both sides satisfaction. So you want Stain to ask the MC for a TEMPORARY +5 standings so you can walk on our space and kill our allies? AND you want us to give up claims of space to suit the MC? Seriously, get off your high horse, and act more proffesional.
Seleene	Posted - 2005.08.10 05:35:00 - [72] Why in God's name is this thread still going? - We're outnumbered! That simplifies the problem!
Adam C	Posted - 2005.08.10 06:08:00 - [73] Originally by: Seleene Why in God's name is this thread still going? cause ure replying :P
Seleene	Posted - 2005.08.10 06:53:00 - [74] Originally by: Adam C Originally by: Seleene Why in God's name is this thread still going? cause ure replying :P Am not! - We're outnumbered! That simplifies the problem!
Ithildin	Posted - 2005.08.10 07:23:00 - [75] Yes, I can only agree that I am astounded that this thred is still allowed to live. It is turning ugly with [OOCs] and intentional missinterpretations. FalloutBoy, we weren't in your space until you made this announcement. Not everything revolves around Stain. I was just a bit sick and tired of MC constantly being accused of molesting other peoples personal space when we weren't. For instance, one of our members wanted to hunt in Fountain recently, so he payed the residents there a fair price and is now shooting Serpentis to his heart's desire. Some of us do not wish to pay what they consider extortion fees, so instea they go to regions they know noone can hold, and if you cannot hold a region firmly you cannot claim anyone is trespassing. -- Prototype sig
Trooper B99	Posted - 2005.08.10 07:24:00 - [76] Ya'know, in my day in Curse the wee spit of land "in" stain that we have to use, y'know, that one the Stainers is claiming as theirs was about as much theirs as HED-GP. grins Hell, they knew its was a fiction, we knew it was a fiction and that "real" Stain space started at the gateway system of DSS but we let 'em say it anyho. Heh, all this furor over 7 systems in the arse end of catch that no one uses except for travel anyways. Personally I think it was just a bit early as Stain, hell, most of the Fringe empires, all kill anyone not nearest and dearest to them at some point. Ach well, as my indomitable CEO has said anyho, talkings done for the now. I really should get back to me pod and doing my ship overhaul for tonights patrols. Wirykomi Team Racer - COLOSSUS Championships Year 106
Munch	Posted - 2005.08.10 09:08:00 - [77] Edited by: Munch on 10/08/2005 09:08:27 I hereby give myself and my corp full travelling rights through Stain, Cache and whatever other southern route i see and wish to travel through, thx
Da Ram	Posted - 2005.08.10 11:49:00 - [78] I was trying to travel trough Stain peacefully the other day in my hauler to pick up some goods and sell some of mine at a remote station deep in 0.0. Sadly the Stain alliance is just like your other pirate corporation shooting you without any reasoning. Tried to reach representatives too, but somehow they either were offline or unavailable. Coming to think of it - What is the actual difference between pirates and an 'alliance' like Stain ? They both deny you to travel between NPC stations they do not own and as pirates, at best, they ask for money to Not shoot you. The claim that you have to restrict borders because of pirates roaming 'your' land is a real sad excuse either really. I wanted to bring my wares and cooperate. Supply you if you will. Now I had to be just another rogue ship inching my way through your camps and will likely not return to sell cheap tech 2 and other wares to you out there in 0.0 where some things are really hard to come by. Ram
Draximus Cane	Posted - 2005.08.10 12:04:00 - [79] Originally by: Da Ram I was trying to travel trough Stain peacefully the other day in my hauler to pick up some goods and sell some of mine at a remote station deep in 0.0. Sadly the Stain alliance is just like your other pirate corporation shooting you without any reasoning. Tried to reach representatives too, but somehow they either were offline or unavailable. Coming to think of it - What is the actual difference between pirates and an 'alliance' like Stain ? They both deny you to travel between NPC stations they do not own and as pirates, at best, they ask for money to Not shoot you. The claim that you have to restrict borders because of pirates roaming 'your' land is a real sad excuse either really. I wanted to bring my wares and cooperate. Supply you if you will. Now I had to be just another rogue ship inching my way through your camps and will likely not return to sell cheap tech 2 and other wares to you out there in 0.0 where some things are really hard to come by. Ram Simply because they can If you don't like it bring friends and take what you want with force can't take it with force? Join an alliance or stay in empire -------------------------------------------------
Da Ram	Posted - 2005.08.10 12:13:00 - [80] Originally by: Draximus Cane Originally by: Da Ram I was trying to travel trough Stain peacefully the other day in my hauler to pick up some goods and sell some of mine at a remote station deep in 0.0. Sadly the Stain alliance is just like your other pirate corporation shooting you without any reasoning. Tried to reach representatives too, but somehow they either were offline or unavailable. Coming to think of it - What is the actual difference between pirates and an 'alliance' like Stain ? They both deny you to travel between NPC stations they do not own and as pirates, at best, they ask for money to Not shoot you. The claim that you have to restrict borders because of pirates roaming 'your' land is a real sad excuse either really. I wanted to bring my wares and cooperate. Supply you if you will. Now I had to be just another rogue ship inching my way through your camps and will likely not return to sell cheap tech 2 and other wares to you out there in 0.0 where some things are really hard to come by. Ram Simply because they can If you don't like it bring friends and take what you want with force can't take it with force? Join an alliance or stay in empire Heh - I was rather expeting a "stfu" post here, but yours is decent enough ;) Thing is - there is another way - Get someone to make instas, travel when only a few are on. Its just really silly though ! Those alliances could profit from traders like me. And I m not talking moneywise only here - I wanted to move in a lot of tech2 stuff, including frigates and establish a trade route. Heck I even considered escrowing for Stain members exclusively but they simply didnt get it. Xenophobe Enclosurist is the term best fitting I think. A dead end eventually imho. In any case Stain Alliance = pirates to me Ram

Ranger 1	Posted - 2005.08.10 12:27:00 - [81] Contact someone in Stain about becoming an official trader in that area. If you don't get someone who can wrap their head around the concept, keep trying until you find someone with a brain. That's not a moon... that's my POS
Con'Mal	Posted - 2005.08.10 13:07:00 - [82] Originally by: Da Ram Originally by: Draximus Cane Originally by: Da Ram I was trying to travel trough Stain peacefully the other day in my hauler to pick up some goods and sell some of mine at a remote station deep in 0.0. Sadly the Stain alliance is just like your other pirate corporation shooting you without any reasoning. Tried to reach representatives too, but somehow they either were offline or unavailable. Coming to think of it - What is the actual difference between pirates and an 'alliance' like Stain ? They both deny you to travel between NPC stations they do not own and as pirates, at best, they ask for money to Not shoot you. The claim that you have to restrict borders because of pirates roaming 'your' land is a real sad excuse either really. I wanted to bring my wares and cooperate. Supply you if you will. Now I had to be just another rogue ship inching my way through your camps and will likely not return to sell cheap tech 2 and other wares to you out there in 0.0 where some things are really hard to come by. Ram Simply because they can If you don't like it bring friends and take what you want with force can't take it with force? Join an alliance or stay in empire Heh - I was rather expeting a "stfu" post here, but yours is decent enough ;) Thing is - there is another way - Get someone to make instas, travel when only a few are on. Its just really silly though ! Those alliances could profit from traders like me. And I m not talking moneywise only here - I wanted to move in a lot of tech2 stuff, including frigates and establish a trade route. Heck I even considered escrowing for Stain members exclusively but they simply didnt get it. Xenophobe Enclosurist is the term best fitting I think. A dead end eventually imho. In any case Stain Alliance = pirates to me Ram Seems to me then can use thier own traders and do the same thing I would shoot ya and take your t2 stuff why buy a few overpriced mods from you when i can have em all free "The race is not [always] to the swift, nor the battle to the strong."
Da Ram	Posted - 2005.08.10 13:17:00 - [83] Edited by: Da Ram on 10/08/2005 13:19:06 Originally by: Con'Mal Seems to me then can use thier own traders and do the same thing I would shoot ya and take your t2 stuff why buy a few overpriced mods from you when i can have em all free Whatever - shooting me wont really work as easily as you picture it, 5 warp stabs and a blockade runner or deep space transport are hard to stop. Of course if I try to sneak on a regular basis I will get shot down a few times eventually - but thats not the point. The point is that at the end of a day you CAN NOT build a fence around a couple of constellations and hammer signs with "ALL MINE" written all over it in the ground. That thinking is doomed and will eat itself one day. Its really pitiful to claim a dozen or two starsystems when you dont even have an outpost of your own there either. Anyhow - I'm not whining, just shaking my head on the silly medieval attitude Stain showed when I got the obvious "**** off, we dont need your services". Even the Russians on old earth let in traders when the cold war was on. Anyhow - thanks for your attention. I m gonna find me another alliance that has the actual brains to realize that letting traders in can only help further them. We are all on the Exodus to the new lands after all. ktnxbye, Ram
Con'Mal	Posted - 2005.08.10 13:25:00 - [84] we need haulers full of t2 items in curse plz let me know when you want to pass into the area I will galdly accomadate you "The race is not [always] to the swift, nor the battle to the strong."
shivan	Posted - 2005.08.10 14:08:00 - [85] Originally by: Con'Mal we need haulers full of t2 items in curse plz let me know when you want to pass into the area I will galdly accomadate you ill even escourt ya to o-shta for con'mal to 'take over' --------------------------------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination http://ZeldereX.com/?topic=7599
DeathForMeh	Posted - 2005.08.10 14:14:00 - [86] Edited by: DeathForMeh on 10/08/2005 14:15:26 Originally by: Ithildin Yes, I can only agree that I am astounded that this thred is still allowed to live. It is turning ugly with [OOCs] and intentional missinterpretations. FalloutBoy, we weren't in your space until you made this announcement. Not everything revolves around Stain. I was just a bit sick and tired of MC constantly being accused of molesting other peoples personal space when we weren't. For instance, one of our members wanted to hunt in Fountain recently, so he payed the residents there a fair price and is now shooting Serpentis to his heart's desire. Some of us do not wish to pay what they consider extortion fees, so instea they go to regions they know noone can hold, and if you cannot hold a region firmly you cannot claim anyone is trespassing. Pritty good cicler logic there. Also the fact se has been around for years and held the same regions it holds now is definatly not a firm hold. ps lets just shoot each other while in stain claimed "not claimed" space
shivan	Posted - 2005.08.10 15:37:00 - [87] maybe they want to unclaim it? --------------------------------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination http://ZeldereX.com/?topic=7599
Da Ram	Posted - 2005.08.10 16:24:00 - [88] Originally by: shivan Originally by: Con'Mal we need haulers full of t2 items in curse plz let me know when you want to pass into the area I will galdly accomadate you ill even escourt ya to o-shta for con'mal to 'take over' Oh C#mon guys You can surely troll more maturely than that. Anyways. I've had my share of STAINeys escorting me :P Just wanted to state my opinion on STAIN and how it handles its "territory" and thats done. One day your enclosurist thinking will bite you in the behind. Ram
Pradege D'Hallur	Posted - 2005.08.10 17:16:00 - [89] No one cares what you like... When we die God's job is to judge us..........My job is to arrange that meeting
Khaerie	Posted - 2005.08.10 17:35:00 - [90] Edited by: Khaerie on 10/08/2005 17:35:35 Da' ram, here's the problem with your whi...logic. "They were not online."....see, that's why there is eve-mail and I know you've never sent one to me. Soooo....either you need to work on developing your mailing skills or you are an alt. Next, I asked a simple question. What do you have to be arrogant with? I asked to understand, not to flame, even stated as much. So asking why a thread is going and claiming it is nothing but flames...sorry, it wasn't. If you don't wish to answer I understand but I even offered to do it ingame so you can't sit and say I didn't try. Next, the letter never said you were IN our space, it said we give you to Monday as a courtesy. Goodness, what people read in to things. So basically, you guys are all worked up over your own imaginations. What's the issue? You aren't using the space, you have no plan to. So why is it suddenly so hard to say, "Hey, I hear ya. I see it is just a reminder and thank you." As you've said, it doesn't affect your campaign. So why the big hub bub? Lastly, Mr. Altboy, pirates, extort money for their own personal gain. Alliances work together to protect their resources. I hope that helps. Really, I shouldn't jump on during lunch hours. Editted for PS Sel and I have never directly talked though I do admire the way she handles herself most times. 2nd in Command for Stain Empire Foreign Affairs CEO



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