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Cujo	Posted - 2005.08.07 02:55:00 - [1] This is a Stain Official Announcement to Mercenary Coalition that they do not have traveling rights in our space. This includes traveling through Catch Region starting with B-3 which is one jump from u-q. It is our policy to shoot neutrals and always has been in the past but we will withhold our usual policy of shooting neutrals until downtime on Monday so all of Mercenary Coalition is informed. This Announcement has been posted on Mercenary Coalition's forums as well. Once downtime has passed the policy will be re-instated and any member of Mercenary Coalition caught in Stain space will be shot on sight. Any questions you may have regarding this may be brought to any member of Foreign Affairs, Boofer or Khaerie. Cujo / Stain Emperor ------------------------------ Terror Has A New Name. Stain CEO / Species 5618 CEO
slip66	Posted - 2005.08.07 03:12:00 - [2] Nice threads :)
shivan	Posted - 2005.08.07 03:13:00 - [3] just so the MC know, this has been posted on your own forumes as well --------------------------------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination http://ZeldereX.com/?topic=7599
IamBen	Posted - 2005.08.07 04:00:00 - [4] nice press release pick :)
Leno	Posted - 2005.08.07 04:11:00 - [5] wow talk about a position u dont wanna be in. On one hand u got ur allies u just cant let get rapped by allowing hostiles through without making them very mad and on the other chance u run the risk of having MC dec you as well. Still think you made the right decision in the long run as the MC may cause u some pain but not over a long time and not likly past the end of the contract as long as u dont push it too hard. Also good idea to post on their forums to ensure that they know, increases odds that negitive standing will be reset. Well played --------------- RIP - Smoske, My Friend Coasterbrian > babies are good, especially raw Coasterbrian > soft and crunchy at
General Killah	Posted - 2005.08.07 05:36:00 - [6] For God sake someone is sane. --------------------------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination.
SengH	Posted - 2005.08.07 05:58:00 - [7] Edited by: SengH on 07/08/2005 05:57:58 I think the MC would probably have to reevaluate the price with their client before they war dec another alliance at the same time :P The price goes up considerably afaik
FalloutBoy	Posted - 2005.08.07 07:14:00 - [8] Yeah!! Targets who won't run away !!!
Xthril Ranger	Posted - 2005.08.07 07:17:00 - [9] Originally by: General Killah For God sake someone is sane. So , is your enemy's enemy your friend? hirr
FalloutBoy	Posted - 2005.08.07 07:32:00 - [10] Originally by: Xthril Ranger Originally by: General Killah For God sake someone is sane. So , is your enemy's enemy your friend? lol

Trooper B99	Posted - 2005.08.07 09:19:00 - [11] Originally by: SengH I think the MC would probably have to reevaluate the price with their client before they war dec another alliance at the same time :P The price goes up considerably afaik It depends on the Alliance lad. Some are more capable than others. It also depends on the client or clients. We hae wee chats wi' 'em and they let us know what they wnt and we try and make it happen. I mean, look at the last big contract the MC had. Imperium and Fountain Alliances and the group of rogues known as Celestial Apocalypse all at the same time. CEratinly didn't strtch our resources or those of our client grins or clients. . . . We have taken contract on multiple entites at times from differeent clients, it depends on if the client is happy with us taking a second list of targets or if the second client is aware we will split our time. End of the day, personal Communication is invaluable. Quote: This is a Stain Official Announcement to Mercenary Coalition Cujo, might have been worth actually having your diplomats be diplomatic and speak with an MC rep before getting all grandiose on our asses. Besides, you'd said you'll shoot neutrals anywhere in 0.0 after monday . . . which includes us. I think Sel's already said her piece to Khaerie. Wirykomi Team Racer - COLOSSUS Championships Year 106
Cyric EagleEye	Posted - 2005.08.07 09:26:00 - [12] Originally by: General Killah For God sake someone is sane. Signed. AMEN Cujo The best political statement ever.
Seleene	Posted - 2005.08.07 10:05:00 - [13] Originally by: Trooper B99 I think Sel's already said her piece to Khaerie. And I'll say it again here. I must ask if you honestly believe this policy of shooting at us makes your region and pilots safer? Who exactly are you protecting by doing this? The chances of you seeing any MC in SE space are small. Cujo, last night we had the oppertunity to destroy no less than five SE ships. They were not in B-3 or lower and they most certianly would have met a quick death. This did not happen. Why? Because we had no reason to shoot at them. Now we do. I assume you are doing this to show support for your ASCN allies? Bravo to that. However, if you want to show ASCN some real support, why not issue a war dec against the MC and throw your full weight behind them instead? Lastly, we appreicate the Monday deadline but it is not necessary. Our pilots have already been informed to treat any SE ship they encounter as a potential threat and will respond accordingly. We respect your decision. Good luck to you and yours. Oh, very nice banner BTW. - We're outnumbered! That simplifies the problem!
Elenia Kheynes	Posted - 2005.08.07 11:00:00 - [14] Kill'em all Seleene Dear friendly customer... Can I have your money ?
Klaryssa	Posted - 2005.08.07 11:29:00 - [15] Way to poke at the hornet's nest, Stain.
psycorabbit	Posted - 2005.08.07 11:38:00 - [16] wooo more red and i get to shoot my ex allaince m8s for the first time \o/ have fun all :)
corporal hicks	Posted - 2005.08.07 12:31:00 - [17] Originally by: Klaryssa Way to poke at the hornet's nest, Stain. Have to agree, MC have the best rep of any group in this game as been totally unbiased when it comes to there contracts and merc work. Getting in the way of them doing there contract is a bad move on SE's part, not for the present but I am sure MC might not look upon this in a nice light if SE ever need MC services in the future. " Stay Frosty "
Lowa	Posted - 2005.08.07 12:51:00 - [18] I'm totally ok with this, now we know their intentions and can act accordingly. No big deal, they dont want us or any other neutrals in their space and at the same time help out ASCN with restriction our travell routes. Fine. See you out there. Perhaps. Cheers, LOWA Contact Mercenary Coalition
Generatorn	Posted - 2005.08.07 12:55:00 - [19] Originally by: corporal hicks Originally by: Klaryssa Way to poke at the hornet's nest, Stain. Have to agree, MC have the best rep of any group in this game as been totally unbiased when it comes to there contracts and merc work. Getting in the way of them doing there contract is a bad move on SE's part, not for the present but I am sure MC might not look upon this in a nice light if SE ever need MC services in the future. We are professionals and if Stain for whatever reasone would want to hire the MC in the future this will in no way affect our decision to take such a contract
BOOFER	Posted - 2005.08.07 13:43:00 - [20] Originally by: Seleene And I'll say it again here. I must ask if you honestly believe this policy of shooting at us makes your region and pilots safer? Who exactly are you protecting by doing this? The chances of you seeing any MC in SE space are small. Cujo, last night we had the oppertunity to destroy no less than five SE ships. They were not in B-3 or lower and they most certianly would have met a quick death. This did not happen. Why? Because we had no reason to shoot at them. Now we do. I assume you are doing this to show support for your ASCN allies? Bravo to that. However, if you want to show ASCN some real support, why not issue a war dec against the MC and throw your full weight behind them instead? Lastly, we appreicate the Monday deadline but it is not necessary. Our pilots have already been informed to treat any SE ship they encounter as a potential threat and will respond accordingly. We respect your decision. Good luck to you and yours. Oh, very nice banner BTW. The explination is very simple. We do not give free rein to neutrals wishing to cross our space. The fact they are allies is almost irrelevant. If someone with neutral standings wishes to traverse our territory the should do the courtesy of a simple convo to request access. So any MC ships attempting to use our space will be shot. We have no wish to fight MC, but the descion is yours. Find another way around or roll the dice. Convo me ingame if you ever need to discuss such things in future. Boofer _______________________________________________

Amthrianius	Posted - 2005.08.07 14:12:00 - [21] Best banner, ever.. ---------------
Recluse XXX	Posted - 2005.08.07 14:16:00 - [22] Originally by: General Killah For God sake someone is sane. God is dead... //Rec -----------
Tekkaman	Posted - 2005.08.07 15:24:00 - [23] yeah its simple. they dont want neutrals in there space, like most other alliances. and as they are mercenaries they can get contratc against that alliance so it would not be wise to let them in any alliance space as they can make bm;s + stockpile the stations
Ithildin	Posted - 2005.08.07 15:54:00 - [24] Originally by: Tekkaman yeah its simple. they dont want neutrals in there space, like most other alliances. and as they are mercenaries they can get contratc against that alliance so it would not be wise to let them in any alliance space as they can make bm;s + stockpile the stations Stain Empire is only hoping to help ASCN by confining us to enter ASCN space through the Kari - W9-DID - 3L3N route only. As for bookmarks, Mercenary Coalition has bookmarks for 80% of all 0.0, especially ex-XF and Stain space are properly bookmarked with safespots, instajumps, and staging points. Most of our bookmarks come from a neutral third party corporations, and they are all carefully verified to be from the original creators. This ensures that the proffession doesn't die out and that we have a full coverage of the regions we operate in. We of the Mercenary Coalition does welcome and support Stain Empire's decission, however. It is not too common that alliances and other entities state their intent ahead of time. As Seleene did state, however, Mercenary Coalition will not act on the 24 hour deadline and has already issued orders that Stain are to be regarded as hostiles where found in 0.0 (especially ASCN space). MC reports no Stain ship kills so far. -- http://mc.stylii.com/sigs/Ithildin/Ye-Shadows.png Prototype sig
Jodax	Posted - 2005.08.07 15:57:00 - [25] Originally by: corporal hicks Originally by: Klaryssa Way to poke at the hornet's nest, Stain. Have to agree, MC have the best rep of any group in this game as been totally unbiased when it comes to there contracts and merc work. Getting in the way of them doing there contract is a bad move on SE's part, not for the present but I am sure MC might not look upon this in a nice light if SE ever need MC services in the future. So, let's say MC declared on BoB (and this is just a hypothetical statement), and they wanted to come through FIX space to attack them, you'd say <sarcasm> "sure, go ahead, we won't shoot you". And then BoB would say "Hey no worries about letting MC through your space to attack us, we're still friends right?". </sarcasm> As far as I know, SE were never asked to take this stance, but my personal opinion is that I am impressed by their decision to stand by the people they have chosen to ally with. A lot of other corporations/alliances could learn something here. No other alliance would allow any other neutral group passage through their space to attack their allies, why should MC be afforded any different stance?
Cujo	Posted - 2005.08.07 16:13:00 - [26] We do not doubt your originations ability's, nor do we wish a war. We just simply wish to stay neutral in your quest for ASCN. Also, extending a little common courtesy by commutations would have not brought the announcement. True ASCN are friends of Stain and I'm sure you can appreciate the fact that we can not allow passage thu our space to attack friends, but by attacking us you will end up causing a major conflict that will no doubt involve more than just Stain and ASCN which will make your contract more difficult to fulfill. We do not allow neutrals in our space for many reasons and have done this for over 2 years now so this should be common knowledge to all of eve. The announcement was made to make our position on this matter since no one thought to ask. The choice is entirely up to you. We will not fire unless our borders are crossed and ask that you respect our borders in this matter. Sincerely Cujo...... ------------------------------ R.I.P Rampage... Always Remember Stain
Hellraiza666	Posted - 2005.08.07 16:46:00 - [27] Go MC \o/ -------------------------------------------- In War There Are No Runners Up... Image by Denrace
Draximus Cane	Posted - 2005.08.07 16:51:00 - [28] Can someone please explain in simple terms what this means to a simple combat pilot? I read it as "uhh duuhh, more red, huh huh mmmm" Am I correct? -------------------------------------------------
Seleene	Posted - 2005.08.07 16:52:00 - [29] Edited by: Seleene on 07/08/2005 16:52:41 Originally by: Cujo Also, extending a little common courtesy by commutations would have not brought the announcement. The announcement was made to make our position on this matter since no one thought to ask. Cujo, the simple fact is that the MC has no need to enter SE space except for the most extreme northern part of your border which rarely has a soul in it anyway. We did not contact you because we did not anticipate it would be necessary to let you know we might pass through for three or four minutes per day. It's very simple. We need to get from A to C. In order to get to C, we need to briefly fly through B. You are B. You don't care what we do in A. You don't care what we do to the poor bastards in C. So why bother worrying about B at all? Let me put it another way - we aren't interested in shooting Sansha's. We aren't interested in shooting SE ships. We aren't interested in mining SE's minerals. We aren't interested in even renting an office in SE territory. We are not interested in you. At least we weren't until now. That you claim you did not do this in support of ASCN is even more strange. Why bother then? We had oppertunities last night to fire on SE ships that were nowhere near your territory and did not. Now, due to this statement, we must assume the worst of any SE pilot we encounter even if we run into him or her outside your claimed space. All you have done is paint a big target on them with this grandiose press release. It's admirable, but completely over the top for dealing with an organization such as ours. You want us to play NBSI? We can do that. Or you can just leave us to our buisiness and everyone is happy, but until I hear otherwise, we will assume SE is hostile. Originally by: Draximus Cane Can someone please explain in simple terms what this means to a simple combat pilot? I read it as "uhh duuhh, more red, huh huh mmmm" Am I correct? Yes, Drax, you can shoot that ship I told you not to last night. - We're outnumbered! That simplifies the problem!
shivan	Posted - 2005.08.07 17:18:00 - [30] TBH I don't think this posistion is gonna get changed any time soon, also it might also be due to the fact that you didn't even ask us. Regardless of how many people may or may not be there, its still SE held space and its space you didn't even think to ask if you could travel through. Assumptions are the mother of all f*** ups. If you truly have or had no intrest in Stain, then maybe the MC should pull it forces out of catch 100% and find another route to attack them from that might not go through SE held space. Just my 2 isk's worth --------------------------------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination http://ZeldereX.com/?topic=7599

Cujo	Posted - 2005.08.07 17:36:00 - [31] Originally by: Seleene That you claim you did not do this in support of ASCN is even more strange. Why bother then? We had oppertunities last night to fire on SE ships that were nowhere near your territory and did not. Now, due to this statement, we must assume the worst of any SE pilot we encounter even if we run into him or her outside your claimed space. All you have done is paint a big target on them with this grandiose press release. It's admirable, but completely over the top for dealing with an organization such as ours. Where did I say I did not support ASCN? Originally by: Cujo True ASCN are friends of Stain and I'm sure you can appreciate the fact that we can not allow passage thu our space to attack friends, Originally by: Seleene We had oppertunities last night to fire on SE ships that were nowhere near your territory and did not. I'm sure that could be said for both sides that does not expect it. Originally by: Seleene Now, due to this statement, we must assume the worst of any SE pilot we encounter even if we run into him or her outside your claimed space. Did you even read the above post? Originally by: Cujo The choice is entirely up to you. We will not fire unless our borders are crossed and ask that you respect our borders in this matter. Originally by: Seleene All you have done is paint a big target on them with this grandiose press release. It's admirable, but completely over the top for dealing with an organization such as ours. You could also say your painting a target on your self by not respecting our borders. Or you could choose another route. If you want to take us for granted... thats totally up to you. We have been in fights before, and your words of ôdealing with an organization such as ours.ö does not scare us if that was your intention by making such a statement. And again... The choice is entirely up to you. We will not fire unless our borders are crossed and ask that you respect our borders in this matter. There really is not much more to discuss. Further discussion will only result in flames which I don't not care to get involved with, I will not post anymore simply because I have made Stain's position clear. Cujo........ ------------------------------ R.I.P Rampage... Always Remember Stain
Seleene	Posted - 2005.08.07 17:55:00 - [32] Originally by: Cujo and your words of ôdealing with an organization such as ours.ö does not scare us if that was your intention by making such a statement. Nope. Just meant in the diplomatic sense is all. Originally by: Cujo Further discussion will only result in flames which I don't not care to get involved with, I will not post anymore simply because I have made Stain's position clear. Roger that! - We're outnumbered! That simplifies the problem!
Redeol	Posted - 2005.08.07 18:34:00 - [33] Edited by: Redeol on 07/08/2005 18:33:48 MC is getting a bit high on their horse i mean, Seleene you release a friggin press announcement every 5 mins, now SE asks you to respect its borders and you just wave all your principals away, stop blowing so hard from your tower tbh. ps this is an alt, not even from SE but an anonymous reader...
Seleene	Posted - 2005.08.07 19:08:00 - [34] Originally by: Redeol MC is getting a bit high on their horse i mean, Seleene you release a friggin press announcement every 5 mins, now SE asks you to respect its borders and you just wave all your principals away, stop blowing so hard from your tower tbh. ps this is an alt, not even from SE but an anonymous reader... Actually, about the only time we (MC) say anything publiclly is when we make a war declaration, and sometimes not even then. TBH, I don't like announcing war decs because it gives a lot of targets more warning than I would like. As for the rest, SE can do as they please. It's thier right, just as it is ours to conduct our buisiness in the manner most beneficial to our client. I've explained why we did not feel the need to make official contact with SE and Cujo has stated his POV as well. For all intents and purposes, this thread is dead. If anything further needs to be discussed, I'm sure it can be done via normal communications. - We're outnumbered! That simplifies the problem!
shivan	Posted - 2005.08.07 21:37:00 - [35] Originally by: Seleene If anything further needs to be discussed, I'm sure it can be done via normal communications. Would that be a 1400 mm II per chance? --------------------------------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination http://ZeldereX.com/?topic=7599
Wrok	Posted - 2005.08.07 23:03:00 - [36] Sry to say but MC should be chargeing more money from the client...LOL
Draximus Cane	Posted - 2005.08.07 23:04:00 - [37] Originally by: Wrok Sry to say but MC should be chargeing more money from the client...LOL How does 5 know what were getting paid, I don't even know that! -------------------------------------------------
General Killah	Posted - 2005.08.07 23:04:00 - [38] Originally by: Seleene Edited by: Seleene on 07/08/2005 16:59:19 Originally by: Cujo Also, extending a little common courtesy by commutations would have not brought the announcement. The announcement was made to make our position on this matter since no one thought to ask. Cujo, the simple fact is that the MC has no need to enter SE space except for the most extreme northern part of your border which rarely has a soul in it anyway. We did not contact you because we did not anticipate it would be necessary to let you know we might pass through for three or four minutes per day. It's very simple. We need to get from A to C. In order to get to C, we need to briefly fly through B. You are B. You don't care what we do in A. You don't care what we do to the poor bastards in C. So why bother worrying about B at all? You claim not to think you should have free reign to fly anywhere in 0.0 without being shot, however that paragraph alone proves you do think that. Way to contradict yourself right? --------------------------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination.
Agent Kenshin	Posted - 2005.08.08 01:54:00 - [39] Edited by: Agent Kenshin on 08/08/2005 01:56:07 Originally by: General Killah Originally by: Seleene Edited by: Seleene on 07/08/2005 16:59:19 Originally by: Cujo Also, extending a little common courtesy by commutations would have not brought the announcement. The announcement was made to make our position on this matter since no one thought to ask. Cujo, the simple fact is that the MC has no need to enter SE space except for the most extreme northern part of your border which rarely has a soul in it anyway. We did not contact you because we did not anticipate it would be necessary to let you know we might pass through for three or four minutes per day. It's very simple. We need to get from A to C. In order to get to C, we need to briefly fly through B. You are B. You don't care what we do in A. You don't care what we do to the poor bastards in C. So why bother worrying about B at all? You claim not to think you should have free reign to fly anywhere in 0.0 without being shot, however that paragraph alone proves you do think that. Way to contradict yourself right? Get over it man at least SE claims this territory and has claimed it for quit some time now. Not everyone is gonna bother us but some will. We accept this and as Seleene states up above we knew this could possibly happen. Now would you kindly remove yourself from here this has nothing to do with you. Issues at hand have been resolved. Originally by: MAXSuicide only carebears call pvpers 'greifers' ehehehh....
theRaptor	Posted - 2005.08.08 04:54:00 - [40] Poor Stain. Mean old MC. Don't cross the MC unless you want to fight them. That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die. -- Ancient "Dirt" Religious figure.

FalloutBoy	Posted - 2005.08.08 06:38:00 - [41] Originally by: theRaptor Don't cross the MC unless you want to fight them. I think thats partially the point. getting us fights that aren't as another MC member puts it "bug hunts"
Trooper B99	Posted - 2005.08.08 07:25:00 - [42] Originally by: FalloutBoy I think thats partially the point. getting us fights that aren't as another MC member puts it "bug hunts" Wirykomi Team Racer - COLOSSUS Championships Year 106
Julien Derida	Posted - 2005.08.08 10:48:00 - [43] Why does everyone fuss so much over things in the South? When we were contracted against PA, it was a given that we'd be fighting G, IRON and co as well. I guess that's a product of people NAPing more and allying less in the south. Anyway, I'm never one to complain about more targets. I'm not sure you should expect us to seek you out for 'good fights' though Stain. We are contracted to kill ASCN, not you, and that is what we will be doing. ---------------------------------------- Chief Inspector of the Style Police - FRICK
Novah	Posted - 2005.08.08 19:41:00 - [44] Just a small thing i have to say and its totally impartial. Is it worth the hassle to hit ascn when you are going to have the challenge of getting through SE space in one piece let alone into ascn space. It appears that your sponsor didnt take into consideration that SE would be kind of in the way of your movements into ascn space. Looks like the first hurdle in your campaign is going to be a little tall in the first place. Novah (SEIA) ********************************************************* Intersteller eXodus - Making Stain A Happier Place To Raise Your Family.
Fred0	Posted - 2005.08.08 20:19:00 - [45] Good job Stain for sticking up for your allies. Can't swing yer politics around to suit mercs :)
Ithildin	Posted - 2005.08.08 20:29:00 - [46] Novah, Stain patrols it's borders too sporadically and too weakly to present any kind of threat to us. If we wanted to we could go through Stain as we pleased, undetected. Since this declaration we also have. And believe me, when you live for the thrill of combat, having opponents aren't trouble. It's like placing good ore in the way for a miner. -- Prototype sig
Draximus Cane	Posted - 2005.08.08 20:47:00 - [47] Originally by: Novah Just a small thing i have to say and its totally impartial. Is it worth the hassle to hit ascn when you are going to have the challenge of getting through SE space in one piece let alone into ascn space. It appears that your sponsor didnt take into consideration that SE would be kind of in the way of your movements into ascn space. Looks like the first hurdle in your campaign is going to be a little tall in the first place. Novah (SEIA) Yup thats like sayin to a why do you want to mine all that Bistot, you will have to mine all that other ore that you don't really need first. we live to pvp, its what we do everyday, its how we earn our living. Why do people not understand we don't do Galactic Polotics, we just shoot red squares, more re squares, no problem. -------------------------------------------------
zarc	Posted - 2005.08.08 20:49:00 - [48] Originally by: Agent Kenshin Edited by: Agent Kenshin on 08/08/2005 01:56:07 Originally by: General Killah Originally by: Seleene Edited by: Seleene on 07/08/2005 16:59:19 Originally by: Cujo Also, extending a little common courtesy by commutations would have not brought the announcement. The announcement was made to make our position on this matter since no one thought to ask. Cujo, the simple fact is that the MC has no need to enter SE space except for the most extreme northern part of your border which rarely has a soul in it anyway. We did not contact you because we did not anticipate it would be necessary to let you know we might pass through for three or four minutes per day. It's very simple. We need to get from A to C. In order to get to C, we need to briefly fly through B. You are B. You don't care what we do in A. You don't care what we do to the poor bastards in C. So why bother worrying about B at all? You claim not to think you should have free reign to fly anywhere in 0.0 without being shot, however that paragraph alone proves you do think that. Way to contradict yourself right? Get over it man at least SE claims this territory and has claimed it for quit some time now. Not everyone is gonna bother us but some will. We accept this and as Seleene states up above we knew this could possibly happen. Now would you kindly remove yourself from here this has nothing to do with you. Issues at hand have been resolved. Hello Raytesh
ph33rf4ct0ry	Posted - 2005.08.08 23:18:00 - [49] Edited by: ph33rf4ct0ry on 08/08/2005 23:19:36 Yeyzusss you MC guys are getting more and more full of **** by the second. How can you expect an alliance to let you go through their space to attack one of their allies? Not that it's necessary but ask [5] to let you go through their space to attack Stain and see what their responce would be. It doesnÆt matter how many jumps or how desolate the area is it's the principle of the matter.
Julien Derida	Posted - 2005.08.08 23:54:00 - [50] Originally by: ph33rf4ct0ry Edited by: ph33rf4ct0ry on 08/08/2005 23:19:36 Yeyzusss you MC guys are getting more and more full of **** by the second. How can you expect an alliance to let you go through their space to attack one of their allies? Not that it's necessary but ask [5] to let you go through their space to attack Stain and see what their responce would be. It doesnÆt matter how many jumps or how desolate the area is it's the principle of the matter. Did you even read this thread? We didn't expect anything of the sort. ---------------------------------------- Chief Inspector of the Style Police - FRICK

Novah	Posted - 2005.08.08 23:55:00 - [51] Originally by: Ithildin Novah, Stain patrols it's borders too sporadically and too weakly to present any kind of threat to us. If we wanted to we could go through Stain as we pleased, undetected. Since this declaration we also have. And believe me, when you live for the thrill of combat, having opponents aren't trouble. It's like placing good ore in the way for a miner. Maybe this is true but as its been said......you have no intention of engaging SE yet to pass through to ascn space you have to enter stain space. Its inevitable that there is going to be conflict somewhere here. Since i only deal with internal matters and not foreign matters i can only assume that boofer has been spoken to as to your plans on how to bypass through stain to acheive you goals. If your goals seem to include engaging stain (which beleive has been mentioned in this thread) then thats something for foreign affairs to mediate. FUN FUN!! ********************************************************* Intersteller eXodus - Making Stain A Happier Place To Raise Your Family.
Khaerie	Posted - 2005.08.09 00:01:00 - [52] Originally by: Seleene Nope. Just meant in the diplomatic sense is all. Hmmm....I was too direct? Sorry, I prefer to keep things simple, honest and to the point. So when told to go post, I pretty much post the same way. If it offended you then I apologize for the phrasing. 2nd in Command for Stain Empire Foreign Affairs CEO
Nadalia	Posted - 2005.08.09 02:50:00 - [53] Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that the MC is being recurrently contracted against the same alliances and corporations (FA and ASCN/CLS in particular - and yes, I realise those two are enemies). Is this in some way due to the MC's known reservation to wardeccing 'friends', or are we just to assume that nobody has contracted the mercs against the big PvP alliances (BoB, [5], FIX et al)? Don't mean any disrespect, I'm just curious.
Sir JoJo	Posted - 2005.08.09 03:22:00 - [54] Edited by: Sir JoJo on 09/08/2005 03:23:04 TBH i gotta agrre whit SE here. when u live by a NBSI policy it counts all... sry though u arent there for kill SE or npc and whatevere u could do, but just to pass by u cant expect a allince to sudenly change politics and say that there members need to tjeck who they shoot before shooting in many cases that would result in u being dead while opning info and so. SE got there borders like many other alliance and its up to MC to either accept the border or risk to be shoot if u cant come to a agreement on a plus 5 standing. personally i dont really feel like u can come and say hey we are just here to pass by we wont shoot u just use a few system of u to kill u allies? u gotta follow u set of rules made. just my 2 cent on the issue. ------------- Be a warrior in game Not on forums -------------
Seleene	Posted - 2005.08.09 06:39:00 - [55] Originally by: Nadalia Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that the MC is being recurrently contracted against the same alliances and corporations (FA and ASCN/CLS in particular - and yes, I realise those two are enemies). Is this in some way due to the MC's known reservation to wardeccing 'friends', or are we just to assume that nobody has contracted the mercs against the big PvP alliances (BoB, [5], FIX et al)? Don't mean any disrespect, I'm just curious. No one has offered us a solid contract against BoB, [5] or FIX yet. As to why, your guess is as good as mine. - We're outnumbered! That simplifies the problem!
FerTec	Posted - 2005.08.09 06:48:00 - [56] Wow. Interesting move by SE. Very interesting turn out. This could lead to a border dispute, thus leading to an eventual, and mostly unavoidable DoW. I wish peace for both of you and to look for methods so that pilots lifes aren't at risk, but who am I, a meesly pilot.. Good luck to both sides.
Theron Gyrow	Posted - 2005.08.09 09:49:00 - [57] Very nice banner. Just add an "N" to it, please? -- Gradient's forum
Razzil	Posted - 2005.08.09 09:50:00 - [58] Mercenaries! Comparable to terrorists, but only with base motives! At least terrorists fight for an ultimate goal. And they are willing to die for it. The only motivation of mercenaries is dirty money. We will not tolerate, that you try to desecrate or holy grounds, where thousands of brave Legionaires sacrificed themselfes for the Empire. Maybe our hilt is a bit rusty and our Legionaires are a bit out of form! But the blade is still sharp and the spirit is still alive! You will experience now, what it means to face the Legion. May the Fallen be remembered as the Emperors finest forever!
hezie99	Posted - 2005.08.09 10:39:00 - [59] tbh stain isnt exactly hard to get in and out of
EElak	Posted - 2005.08.09 10:55:00 - [60] Free hunting pass and traveling rights in Stain, I like it \o/

Ithildin	Posted - 2005.08.09 16:52:00 - [61] Originally by: Novah Maybe this is true but as its been said......you have no intention of engaging SE yet to pass through to ascn space you have to enter stain space. Its inevitable that there is going to be conflict somewhere here. Since i only deal with internal matters and not foreign matters i can only assume that boofer has been spoken to as to your plans on how to bypass through stain to acheive you goals. If your goals seem to include engaging stain (which beleive has been mentioned in this thread) then thats something for foreign affairs to mediate. Yes, it would have been a mission for the foreign ministry, yet it landed in the press department. A basic problem here is that Stain claims, officially, slightly too much of Catch. The U-QVWD passage is the shortest route, but due to HED-GP we also tend to use the Providence "Corridor of Death" (as DDC like to call it), which actually let us go into ASCN space without using SE space at all. The actual space we (MC) would have to use that Stain actually claims is so irregurally patrolled and so ill-used by Stain that the residents of Stain would hardly notice our activities where it not for some of your citizens habit of utilizing Feythabolis as an alternative travel route to southernmost Stain space. Which alliance does not claim space they canot hold fully, though? All in all, a better solution to this entire mess would've been to have opened a convo with one of MC's representatives and asked for a temporary +5 standing along with an added "please stay out of our space", upon which we'd have discussed issues like the U-QVWD area to both sides satisfaction. Originally by: Nadalia Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that the MC is being recurrently contracted against the same alliances and corporations (FA and ASCN/CLS in particular - and yes, I realise those two are enemies). Is this in some way due to the MC's known reservation to wardeccing 'friends', or are we just to assume that nobody has contracted the mercs against the big PvP alliances (BoB, [5], FIX et al)? Don't mean any disrespect, I'm just curious. TC's mercenary history runs something like this: CVA, Huzzah, FoE, Keiretsu, XF, PA, Imp, PA & G, Tyrants, CELES, Imp, FA, and ASCN. A little bit of every camp, except those that tend to attack alliances with a little... less will... to hire mercenaries. Our friends, those we avoid taking contract on, are very few indeed. Fewer than most think. Personally, I think there's just about only one corporation except our own corporations that we don't do war on. And I will not discuss what corporation that is. Originally by: Razzil Mercenaries! Comparable to terrorists, but only with base motives! At least terrorists fight for an ultimate goal. And they are willing to die for it. The only motivation of mercenaries is dirty money. Oh, please. To compare soldiers to terrorists. Terrorists strike soley at the innocent, the cause a rift in all societies and their cause inevitably is hurt by their activities. Theirs is the cowards path, their sacrifices are for nothing and they will succede only in bringing evil to the world. Mercenaries are just like your so called "Emperor's finest", they are soldiers. The difference is that mercenaries doesn't work for ideals. Whether the soldier works for money or ideals, to elevate any soldier to an icon of a state or as an ideal is dangerous to say the least. All soldiers throughout history has raped, pillaged, and killed innocents out of fear and war-craze. From times before the EVE gate, before man could fly, to now. Even in the great Gallente-Caldari war. We are mercenaries. We do not hold ourselves with illusions about glorious deeds in honourable wars. -- Prototype sig
fugazii	Posted - 2005.08.09 16:55:00 - [62] Originally by: Seleene Originally by: Trooper B99 I think Sel's already said her piece to Khaerie. I must ask if you honestly believe this policy of shooting at us makes your region and pilots safer? Who exactly are you protecting by doing this? The chances of you seeing any MC in SE space are small. its not a matter of "safer" its a matter of you tresspassing on someones property and that said party not wanting you to do so. dont let your "fame" go to your head, just because you mean no immediate threat to anyone it doesnt give you the right to be there. you know as well as i do open borders dont work, they are only protecting thier property, and continueing to tresspass makes you not mercs but just commom pirates. also look at it from a diplomatic standpoint, you guys going through thier claimed space could be seen as aiding the enemy to other alliances, which could bring about additional unwanted wars because of your actions. merc work is one thing, violating borders and causing possible problems to the residents of the space violated who arent involved is just unprofessional. was always fun fighting w/and against u guys but uve deffinately gone down a notch in my book.
Abriana Overlord	Posted - 2005.08.09 16:57:00 - [63] WTF is the point of discussing this anymore. The statement has been made. All parties seem to understand it. So let the MC Contract run its term and if something happens in stain space then so be it.
Kane Jacobs	Posted - 2005.08.09 19:55:00 - [64] Originally by: Abriana Overlord WTF is the point of discussing this anymore. The statement has been made. All parties seem to understand it. So let the MC Contract run its term and if something happens in stain space then so be it. Well the thread aint locked and Im sure there's plenty of ppl with some flame still left in them... _______________________________________________
Ithildin	Posted - 2005.08.09 21:11:00 - [65] For the record, any claims of Mercenary Coaltion trespassing into anyones claimed, stable, area in 0.0 are manufactured. There may be exceptions, but with these the inhabitants had already previously stated their express hostility towards Mercenary Coaltion. This is to the best of my knowledge. Most, or all agressions, on MC has been in unclaimed (or highly anarchic) space or space claimed by one of our (at that time) targets. -- Prototype sig
Rizmordan Hillgotlieb	Posted - 2005.08.09 22:58:00 - [66] Edited by: Rizmordan Hillgotlieb on 09/08/2005 23:01:21 Actually... and I have to say this. When we have a contract to fulfill IMO we in the MC will go where we damn well please to fulfill it! thank you very much! We could care less what anyone thinks, what their stance is against us, whatever, you want to shoot an MC member? BRING FRIENDS! And for those that think MC is on a high horse... WE ARE. You wanna be higher? Buy an elephant! Sorry but i'm just tired of all the ignorance on these boards after two years of reading them.
Khaerie	Posted - 2005.08.09 23:20:00 - [67] Riz, outside of shooting and being shot at, what do you have to be arrogant over? I'm sure you think this is a flame but it isn't. I always try to understand another person's view and I sure don't claim to be a pvper. I only give people half points because I'm so easy to take out. So help me understand your view. You could even handle it ingame if you prefer. I'm always open for the discussion. 2nd in Command for Stain Empire Foreign Affairs CEO
FalloutBoy	Posted - 2005.08.09 23:29:00 - [68] Originally by: Ithildin For the record, any claims of Mercenary Coaltion trespassing into anyones claimed, stable, area in 0.0 are manufactured. There may be exceptions, but with these the inhabitants had already previously stated their express hostility towards Mercenary Coaltion. This is to the best of my knowledge. Most, or all agressions, on MC has been in unclaimed (or highly anarchic) space or space claimed by one of our (at that time) targets. so let me try to deciefer this. your saying we don't claim the space that we claim?
shivan	Posted - 2005.08.10 02:19:00 - [69] i claim that your my bitc...... errrrrr corp mate --------------------------------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination http://ZeldereX.com/?topic=7599
FalloutBoy	Posted - 2005.08.10 03:21:00 - [70] Originally by: shivan i claim that your my bitc...... errrrrr corp mate oh your so podded

Kirex	Posted - 2005.08.10 05:14:00 - [71] Originally by: Ithildin All in all, a better solution to this entire mess would've been to have opened a convo with one of MC's representatives and asked for a temporary +5 standing along with an added "please stay out of our space", upon which we'd have discussed issues like the U-QVWD area to both sides satisfaction. So you want Stain to ask the MC for a TEMPORARY +5 standings so you can walk on our space and kill our allies? AND you want us to give up claims of space to suit the MC? Seriously, get off your high horse, and act more proffesional.
Seleene	Posted - 2005.08.10 05:35:00 - [72] Why in God's name is this thread still going? - We're outnumbered! That simplifies the problem!
Adam C	Posted - 2005.08.10 06:08:00 - [73] Originally by: Seleene Why in God's name is this thread still going? cause ure replying :P
Seleene	Posted - 2005.08.10 06:53:00 - [74] Originally by: Adam C Originally by: Seleene Why in God's name is this thread still going? cause ure replying :P Am not! - We're outnumbered! That simplifies the problem!
Ithildin	Posted - 2005.08.10 07:23:00 - [75] Yes, I can only agree that I am astounded that this thred is still allowed to live. It is turning ugly with [OOCs] and intentional missinterpretations. FalloutBoy, we weren't in your space until you made this announcement. Not everything revolves around Stain. I was just a bit sick and tired of MC constantly being accused of molesting other peoples personal space when we weren't. For instance, one of our members wanted to hunt in Fountain recently, so he payed the residents there a fair price and is now shooting Serpentis to his heart's desire. Some of us do not wish to pay what they consider extortion fees, so instea they go to regions they know noone can hold, and if you cannot hold a region firmly you cannot claim anyone is trespassing. -- Prototype sig
Trooper B99	Posted - 2005.08.10 07:24:00 - [76] Ya'know, in my day in Curse the wee spit of land "in" stain that we have to use, y'know, that one the Stainers is claiming as theirs was about as much theirs as HED-GP. grins Hell, they knew its was a fiction, we knew it was a fiction and that "real" Stain space started at the gateway system of DSS but we let 'em say it anyho. Heh, all this furor over 7 systems in the arse end of catch that no one uses except for travel anyways. Personally I think it was just a bit early as Stain, hell, most of the Fringe empires, all kill anyone not nearest and dearest to them at some point. Ach well, as my indomitable CEO has said anyho, talkings done for the now. I really should get back to me pod and doing my ship overhaul for tonights patrols. Wirykomi Team Racer - COLOSSUS Championships Year 106
Munch	Posted - 2005.08.10 09:08:00 - [77] Edited by: Munch on 10/08/2005 09:08:27 I hereby give myself and my corp full travelling rights through Stain, Cache and whatever other southern route i see and wish to travel through, thx
Da Ram	Posted - 2005.08.10 11:49:00 - [78] I was trying to travel trough Stain peacefully the other day in my hauler to pick up some goods and sell some of mine at a remote station deep in 0.0. Sadly the Stain alliance is just like your other pirate corporation shooting you without any reasoning. Tried to reach representatives too, but somehow they either were offline or unavailable. Coming to think of it - What is the actual difference between pirates and an 'alliance' like Stain ? They both deny you to travel between NPC stations they do not own and as pirates, at best, they ask for money to Not shoot you. The claim that you have to restrict borders because of pirates roaming 'your' land is a real sad excuse either really. I wanted to bring my wares and cooperate. Supply you if you will. Now I had to be just another rogue ship inching my way through your camps and will likely not return to sell cheap tech 2 and other wares to you out there in 0.0 where some things are really hard to come by. Ram
Draximus Cane	Posted - 2005.08.10 12:04:00 - [79] Originally by: Da Ram I was trying to travel trough Stain peacefully the other day in my hauler to pick up some goods and sell some of mine at a remote station deep in 0.0. Sadly the Stain alliance is just like your other pirate corporation shooting you without any reasoning. Tried to reach representatives too, but somehow they either were offline or unavailable. Coming to think of it - What is the actual difference between pirates and an 'alliance' like Stain ? They both deny you to travel between NPC stations they do not own and as pirates, at best, they ask for money to Not shoot you. The claim that you have to restrict borders because of pirates roaming 'your' land is a real sad excuse either really. I wanted to bring my wares and cooperate. Supply you if you will. Now I had to be just another rogue ship inching my way through your camps and will likely not return to sell cheap tech 2 and other wares to you out there in 0.0 where some things are really hard to come by. Ram Simply because they can If you don't like it bring friends and take what you want with force can't take it with force? Join an alliance or stay in empire -------------------------------------------------
Da Ram	Posted - 2005.08.10 12:13:00 - [80] Originally by: Draximus Cane Originally by: Da Ram I was trying to travel trough Stain peacefully the other day in my hauler to pick up some goods and sell some of mine at a remote station deep in 0.0. Sadly the Stain alliance is just like your other pirate corporation shooting you without any reasoning. Tried to reach representatives too, but somehow they either were offline or unavailable. Coming to think of it - What is the actual difference between pirates and an 'alliance' like Stain ? They both deny you to travel between NPC stations they do not own and as pirates, at best, they ask for money to Not shoot you. The claim that you have to restrict borders because of pirates roaming 'your' land is a real sad excuse either really. I wanted to bring my wares and cooperate. Supply you if you will. Now I had to be just another rogue ship inching my way through your camps and will likely not return to sell cheap tech 2 and other wares to you out there in 0.0 where some things are really hard to come by. Ram Simply because they can If you don't like it bring friends and take what you want with force can't take it with force? Join an alliance or stay in empire Heh - I was rather expeting a "stfu" post here, but yours is decent enough ;) Thing is - there is another way - Get someone to make instas, travel when only a few are on. Its just really silly though ! Those alliances could profit from traders like me. And I m not talking moneywise only here - I wanted to move in a lot of tech2 stuff, including frigates and establish a trade route. Heck I even considered escrowing for Stain members exclusively but they simply didnt get it. Xenophobe Enclosurist is the term best fitting I think. A dead end eventually imho. In any case Stain Alliance = pirates to me Ram

Ranger 1	Posted - 2005.08.10 12:27:00 - [81] Contact someone in Stain about becoming an official trader in that area. If you don't get someone who can wrap their head around the concept, keep trying until you find someone with a brain. That's not a moon... that's my POS
Con'Mal	Posted - 2005.08.10 13:07:00 - [82] Originally by: Da Ram Originally by: Draximus Cane Originally by: Da Ram I was trying to travel trough Stain peacefully the other day in my hauler to pick up some goods and sell some of mine at a remote station deep in 0.0. Sadly the Stain alliance is just like your other pirate corporation shooting you without any reasoning. Tried to reach representatives too, but somehow they either were offline or unavailable. Coming to think of it - What is the actual difference between pirates and an 'alliance' like Stain ? They both deny you to travel between NPC stations they do not own and as pirates, at best, they ask for money to Not shoot you. The claim that you have to restrict borders because of pirates roaming 'your' land is a real sad excuse either really. I wanted to bring my wares and cooperate. Supply you if you will. Now I had to be just another rogue ship inching my way through your camps and will likely not return to sell cheap tech 2 and other wares to you out there in 0.0 where some things are really hard to come by. Ram Simply because they can If you don't like it bring friends and take what you want with force can't take it with force? Join an alliance or stay in empire Heh - I was rather expeting a "stfu" post here, but yours is decent enough ;) Thing is - there is another way - Get someone to make instas, travel when only a few are on. Its just really silly though ! Those alliances could profit from traders like me. And I m not talking moneywise only here - I wanted to move in a lot of tech2 stuff, including frigates and establish a trade route. Heck I even considered escrowing for Stain members exclusively but they simply didnt get it. Xenophobe Enclosurist is the term best fitting I think. A dead end eventually imho. In any case Stain Alliance = pirates to me Ram Seems to me then can use thier own traders and do the same thing I would shoot ya and take your t2 stuff why buy a few overpriced mods from you when i can have em all free "The race is not [always] to the swift, nor the battle to the strong."
Da Ram	Posted - 2005.08.10 13:17:00 - [83] Edited by: Da Ram on 10/08/2005 13:19:06 Originally by: Con'Mal Seems to me then can use thier own traders and do the same thing I would shoot ya and take your t2 stuff why buy a few overpriced mods from you when i can have em all free Whatever - shooting me wont really work as easily as you picture it, 5 warp stabs and a blockade runner or deep space transport are hard to stop. Of course if I try to sneak on a regular basis I will get shot down a few times eventually - but thats not the point. The point is that at the end of a day you CAN NOT build a fence around a couple of constellations and hammer signs with "ALL MINE" written all over it in the ground. That thinking is doomed and will eat itself one day. Its really pitiful to claim a dozen or two starsystems when you dont even have an outpost of your own there either. Anyhow - I'm not whining, just shaking my head on the silly medieval attitude Stain showed when I got the obvious "**** off, we dont need your services". Even the Russians on old earth let in traders when the cold war was on. Anyhow - thanks for your attention. I m gonna find me another alliance that has the actual brains to realize that letting traders in can only help further them. We are all on the Exodus to the new lands after all. ktnxbye, Ram
Con'Mal	Posted - 2005.08.10 13:25:00 - [84] we need haulers full of t2 items in curse plz let me know when you want to pass into the area I will galdly accomadate you "The race is not [always] to the swift, nor the battle to the strong."
shivan	Posted - 2005.08.10 14:08:00 - [85] Originally by: Con'Mal we need haulers full of t2 items in curse plz let me know when you want to pass into the area I will galdly accomadate you ill even escourt ya to o-shta for con'mal to 'take over' --------------------------------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination http://ZeldereX.com/?topic=7599
DeathForMeh	Posted - 2005.08.10 14:14:00 - [86] Edited by: DeathForMeh on 10/08/2005 14:15:26 Originally by: Ithildin Yes, I can only agree that I am astounded that this thred is still allowed to live. It is turning ugly with [OOCs] and intentional missinterpretations. FalloutBoy, we weren't in your space until you made this announcement. Not everything revolves around Stain. I was just a bit sick and tired of MC constantly being accused of molesting other peoples personal space when we weren't. For instance, one of our members wanted to hunt in Fountain recently, so he payed the residents there a fair price and is now shooting Serpentis to his heart's desire. Some of us do not wish to pay what they consider extortion fees, so instea they go to regions they know noone can hold, and if you cannot hold a region firmly you cannot claim anyone is trespassing. Pritty good cicler logic there. Also the fact se has been around for years and held the same regions it holds now is definatly not a firm hold. ps lets just shoot each other while in stain claimed "not claimed" space
shivan	Posted - 2005.08.10 15:37:00 - [87] maybe they want to unclaim it? --------------------------------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination http://ZeldereX.com/?topic=7599
Da Ram	Posted - 2005.08.10 16:24:00 - [88] Originally by: shivan Originally by: Con'Mal we need haulers full of t2 items in curse plz let me know when you want to pass into the area I will galdly accomadate you ill even escourt ya to o-shta for con'mal to 'take over' Oh C#mon guys You can surely troll more maturely than that. Anyways. I've had my share of STAINeys escorting me :P Just wanted to state my opinion on STAIN and how it handles its "territory" and thats done. One day your enclosurist thinking will bite you in the behind. Ram
Pradege D'Hallur	Posted - 2005.08.10 17:16:00 - [89] No one cares what you like... When we die God's job is to judge us..........My job is to arrange that meeting
Khaerie	Posted - 2005.08.10 17:35:00 - [90] Edited by: Khaerie on 10/08/2005 17:35:35 Da' ram, here's the problem with your whi...logic. "They were not online."....see, that's why there is eve-mail and I know you've never sent one to me. Soooo....either you need to work on developing your mailing skills or you are an alt. Next, I asked a simple question. What do you have to be arrogant with? I asked to understand, not to flame, even stated as much. So asking why a thread is going and claiming it is nothing but flames...sorry, it wasn't. If you don't wish to answer I understand but I even offered to do it ingame so you can't sit and say I didn't try. Next, the letter never said you were IN our space, it said we give you to Monday as a courtesy. Goodness, what people read in to things. So basically, you guys are all worked up over your own imaginations. What's the issue? You aren't using the space, you have no plan to. So why is it suddenly so hard to say, "Hey, I hear ya. I see it is just a reminder and thank you." As you've said, it doesn't affect your campaign. So why the big hub bub? Lastly, Mr. Altboy, pirates, extort money for their own personal gain. Alliances work together to protect their resources. I hope that helps. Really, I shouldn't jump on during lunch hours. Editted for PS Sel and I have never directly talked though I do admire the way she handles herself most times. 2nd in Command for Stain Empire Foreign Affairs CEO

Sovereign1100	Posted - 2005.08.10 18:00:00 - [91] Can't believe I'm about to reply to this topic....sigh. I'm gonna need a shower after this. Ram: stain chooses to close their borders off to ALL but stainers. You think you should have special permission cuz you intend to sell tech II ** to us? I know this might be a bit of a shock, but we can take care of ourselves. We don't need alts flying items into our space when we have at least 6 major production corps already operating on behalf of our members. Besides, I'd bet I can get things for a lot less from my fellow alliance members than I can from you selling it to me. as for the rest of this topic...its done people. Over-reaction or not, any non-stainers crossing our borders will be shot. End of discussion. If you have a problem with that, I suggest you write out a letter addressed to Boofer or Cujo, bend over, and stick it up your . -Kinder, Gentler Sovereign. (in no way am I affiliated with the ruling body of stain empire. I'm just not politically correct enough walk on eggshells around everyone.) logs off to take a shower*
Recluse XXX	Posted - 2005.08.11 01:36:00 - [92] Originally by: DeathForMeh ps lets just shoot each other while in stain claimed "not claimed" space This is what bugs me....I am all for protecting claimed space, hell, I did it for a long time in Venal. But its funny that you guys seem to think (after shooting at us in your space) that we should NOT shoot you outside your space. If someone shoot me I am sure as hell gonna shoot back, and I dont care were this shooting will take place. And yes, I understand Stains agenda....I would have done the same thing in this situation, you Dont abandon your friends to suit your own gols, kudos to you for that! In conclusion...SE will be KOS werever MC encounters them in 0.0 (not only SE space). This is not arrogant, its the same logic every alliance that claims space use. But, instead of protecting my space, I am protecting my ass. Have fun all :) //Rec -------------
Da Ram	Posted - 2005.08.11 12:57:00 - [93] Originally by: Khaerie Edited by: Khaerie on 10/08/2005 17:35:35 Da' ram, here's the problem with your whi...logic. "They were not online."....see, that's why there is eve-mail and I know you've never sent one to me. Soooo....either you need to work on developing your mailing skills or you are an alt. Next, I asked a simple question. What do you have to be arrogant with? I asked to understand, not to flame, even stated as much. So asking why a thread is going and claiming it is nothing but flames...sorry, it wasn't. If you don't wish to answer I understand but I even offered to do it ingame so you can't sit and say I didn't try. Next, the letter never said you were IN our space, it said we give you to Monday as a courtesy. Goodness, what people read in to things. So basically, you guys are all worked up over your own imaginations. What's the issue? You aren't using the space, you have no plan to. So why is it suddenly so hard to say, "Hey, I hear ya. I see it is just a reminder and thank you." As you've said, it doesn't affect your campaign. So why the big hub bub? Lastly, Mr. Altboy, pirates, extort money for their own personal gain. Alliances work together to protect their resources. I hope that helps. Really, I shouldn't jump on during lunch hours. Editted for PS Sel and I have never directly talked though I do admire the way she handles herself most times. In case you did take offense by my non-arrogant response I m sorry. You may or may not have as much reason as I have to taking offense when getting shot at so I dont blame you. As for the other things-Try not to troll implying I have to work on my evemail skills or that I m an alt when your members better work on their communication skills and all that. Had I waited until I d reached someone instead of getting the hell outta "your" space who knows what else I d been subjected to. Tried to reach your ppl over the course of 10 hours and didnt, tough luck. Maybe try putting up some more cans with information ? You feel its "your space" and trying to walk in your shoes I get your back-watered viewpoint and can even understand it somehow. Doesnt change its totally wrong though. Sorry to ruin your little picture of the world, but you simply can not "own" a system or constellations just like that. Maybe if you build an outpost as I said before is it understood that this is "your" system. But with camping NPCs stations belong to all and your pirate like behaviour you hold a dinausors understanding on how you can share space with others and I feel for you. Wont answer anymore on this thread as I see you - the ones who shot me - are hyper sensitive and I dont want to make you sad and resort to flames or trolling to reconstruct your egos. Go run your little world. Ram
DeathForMeh	Posted - 2005.08.11 14:34:00 - [94] Originally by: Da Ram Had I waited until I d reached someone instead of getting the hell outta "your" space who knows what else I d been subjected to. Tried to reach your ppl over the course of 10 hours and didnt, tough luck. Maybe try putting up some more cans with information ? Mabey try to talk to some one like boofer or khaire befor you enter are space? Also dont try and act stupid well I didnt know so dont blame me and try to say your a t2 producer and also know how to use these fourms. http://www.eve-files.com/media/corp/CRII/Latest.jpg you know exactly where are space is its not like we hide in are pockets or something. You feel its "your space" and trying to walk in your shoes I get your back-watered viewpoint and can even understand it somehow. Doesnt change its totally wrong though. Sorry to ruin your little picture of the world, but you simply can not "own" a system or constellations just like that. Maybe if you build an outpost as I said before is it understood that this is "your" system. Originally by: Da Ram But with camping NPCs stations belong to all and your pirate like behaviour you hold a dinausors understanding on how you can share space with others and I feel for you. See pirate do thing like yarrrrr, ransome and they tend to shoot you where ever we on the other hand have a set of space that if you comein with out are permition we consider it hostile. I dont care if you took a indi into stain and put t2 stuff on the market. We dont want the market to be use since it makes it easy to pirates to resupply. If you are making it easer for them we have every right to blow you to hell and back. Originally by: Da Ram Wont answer anymore on this thread as I see you - the ones who shot me - are hyper sensitive and I dont want to make you sad and resort to flames or trolling to reconstruct your egos. Of course not as your story dosent make any senes. Uh im start enough to have t2 stuff and post on this fourm but not know who to contact or where the claim is even though its post right on this fourm. Id rather end with a flame and say i'll never speak agian becuse my story makes no senes what so ever.
Liu Kaskakka	Posted - 2005.08.11 15:33:00 - [95] I r a member of SE. ph34r my presence. I is here to warn everyone. If I ever find my way to stain (I heard its somewhere 'down there'), I'll try to kill you all, and then I'll try again.
FalloutBoy	Posted - 2005.08.11 17:28:00 - [96] Originally by: Liu Kaskakka I r a member of SE. ph34r my presence. I is here to warn everyone. If I ever find my way to stain (I heard its somewhere 'down there'), I'll try to kill you all, and then I'll try again. oh my who let you out of the "special" house
Khaerie	Posted - 2005.08.11 18:08:00 - [97] Ram Okay, thank you for replying to everyone's points and not simply your own. I guess it was helpful. As for the other things-Try not to troll implying I have to work on my evemail skills or that I m an alt when your members better work on their communication skills and all that. Okay, let's see if I get this straight. You don't contact us and WE have to work on OUR communication skills? Had I waited until I d reached someone instead of getting the hell outta "your" space who knows what else I d been subjected to. Tried to reach your ppl over the course of 10 hours and didnt, tough luck. Maybe try putting up some more cans with information ? Well I admit, I assumed you knew to get to safety first. I apologize for making that assumption. There are extremely few days that I'm not on during the game and since I sign every post with Stain Diplomat it is very hard to believe you could get a hold of no one. Okay, that's where maps come in handy, there's even a link that shows wars and who claims what. Cans clutter...among other reasons why it is silly to suggest it. You feel its "your space" and trying to walk in your shoes I get your back-watered viewpoint and can even understand it somehow. Doesnt change its totally wrong though. 6 points for flaming on a scale to 10. Sorry to ruin your little picture of the world, but you simply can not "own" a system or constellations just like that. Maybe if you build an outpost as I said before is it understood that this is "your" system. I don't believe we ever said we owned it. We only claim it. But with camping NPCs stations belong to all and your pirate like behaviour you hold a dinausors understanding on how you can share space with others and I feel for you. Let's see, who's sneaking in to where? And dinosaurs, really, couldn't you at least pick a word that fit with the surroundings? We share space just fine with those who ask and are respectful. Wont answer anymore on this thread as I see you - the ones who shot me - are hyper sensitive and I dont want to make you sad and resort to flames or trolling to reconstruct your egos. Go run your little world. Ahahahahah!!!! You started with flames, was treated nicely and now gripe? Okay, I'll stay in the real world while you go play in Rod Serling's (Now that's a classy flame. ) 2nd in Command for Stain Empire Foreign Affairs CEO
General Killah	Posted - 2005.08.12 20:11:00 - [98] ^^^^^^^^^^^ \|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\| What she said. --------------------------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination.
Zandramus	Posted - 2005.08.12 20:34:00 - [99] Edited by: Zandramus on 12/08/2005 20:36:17 Stain... Please be aware that regardless of what the SMASH alliance has told you, you do not have traveling rights through Geminate, and are not welcome in Vale. Any of your members found traveling in these regions will be treated as we treat all neutrals found in our claimed space in that they are KOS. thanks for reminding me about this situation Zandramus Passes Now Available for 0.0 access
Khaerie	Posted - 2005.08.12 22:52:00 - [100] Originally by: Zandramus Edited by: Zandramus on 12/08/2005 20:36:17 Stain... Please be aware that regardless of what the SMASH alliance has told you, you do not have traveling rights through Geminate, and are not welcome in Vale. Any of your members found traveling in these regions will be treated as we treat all neutrals found in our claimed space in that they are KOS. thanks for reminding me about this situation Zandramus, thank you for your notice. In the event that a pilot or group of pilots come in to Geminate without your permission please feel free to take any action you deem appropriate. For the record, no one from Smash has passed travel rights to Stain nor have I heard of us requesting any. I take it if there should be negotiations I should contact you in the future? Khaerie 2nd in Command for Stain Empire Foreign Affairs CEO

shivan	Posted - 2005.08.13 01:39:00 - [101] Originally by: Khaerie Originally by: Zandramus Edited by: Zandramus on 12/08/2005 20:36:17 Stain... Please be aware that regardless of what the SMASH alliance has told you, you do not have traveling rights through Geminate, and are not welcome in Vale. Any of your members found traveling in these regions will be treated as we treat all neutrals found in our claimed space in that they are KOS. thanks for reminding me about this situation Zandramus, thank you for your notice. In the event that a pilot or group of pilots come in to Geminate without your permission please feel free to take any action you deem appropriate. For the record, no one from Smash has passed travel rights to Stain nor have I heard of us requesting any. I take it if there should be negotiations I should contact you in the future? Khaerie --------------------------------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination http://ZeldereX.com/?topic=7599
Zandramus	Posted - 2005.08.14 00:24:00 - [102] Edited by: Zandramus on 14/08/2005 00:26:26 Originally by: Khaerie Originally by: Zandramus Edited by: Zandramus on 12/08/2005 20:36:17 Stain... Please be aware that regardless of what the SMASH alliance has told you, you do not have traveling rights through Geminate, and are not welcome in Vale. Any of your members found traveling in these regions will be treated as we treat all neutrals found in our claimed space in that they are KOS. thanks for reminding me about this situation Zandramus, thank you for your notice. In the event that a pilot or group of pilots come in to Geminate without your permission please feel free to take any action you deem appropriate. For the record, no one from Smash has passed travel rights to Stain nor have I heard of us requesting any. I take it if there should be negotiations I should contact you in the future? Khaerie Thanks Khaerie Just wanted to get the record straight as SMASH have been inviting loads of people possibly under false pretenses and I didnt want any of the he said she said stuff so I thought it best to get it out in the open ahead of time. Any point of contact should go through Nudilz who heads up Our alliance diplomacy functions. Zandramus Passes Now Available for 0.0 access
General Killah	Posted - 2005.08.14 18:36:00 - [103] LOL, why would we give someone who we fought for over a year, travel rights, through space be don't even claim. We have invited no one up who did not know exactly what they were dealing with, most we didn't invite they just came. Get your facts straight, you aren't in my alliance. --------------------------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination.
shivan	Posted - 2005.08.15 18:16:00 - [104] Originally by: General Killah LOL, why would we give someone who we fought for over a year, travel rights, through space be don't even claim. We have invited no one up who did not know exactly what they were dealing with, most we didn't invite they just came. Get your facts straight, you aren't in my alliance. uhm, i hate to be the one to point this out but they weren't being serious --------------------------------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination http://ZeldereX.com/?topic=7599
Nytemaster	Posted - 2005.08.19 09:42:00 - [105] Edited by: Nytemaster on 19/08/2005 09:41:53 Originally by: Seleene Originally by: Trooper B99 I think Sel's already said her piece to Khaerie. And I'll say it again here. I must ask if you honestly believe this policy of shooting at us makes your region and pilots safer? Who exactly are you protecting by doing this? The chances of you seeing any MC in SE space are small. Cujo, last night we had the oppertunity to destroy no less than five SE ships. They were not in B-3 or lower and they most certianly would have met a quick death. This did not happen. Why? Because we had no reason to shoot at them. Now we do. I assume you are doing this to show support for your ASCN allies? Bravo to that. However, if you want to show ASCN some real support, why not issue a war dec against the MC and throw your full weight behind them instead? Lastly, we appreicate the Monday deadline but it is not necessary. Our pilots have already been informed to treat any SE ship they encounter as a potential threat and will respond accordingly. We respect your decision. Good luck to you and yours. Oh, very nice banner BTW. Seleene, it is very simple...neutrals in SE Space are KOS. This does not mean SE will fire on MC in neutral territory. If your intentions are to fire on any SE member anywhere in 0.0, that is your right, but for them to say you are KOS in their territory while you claim to remain alliance neutral is a respect you should give to them. Setting them to negative standings because they don't let you cross their space is like US declaring war on Turkey for not letting them use their bases during the second Gulf War. I don't think this request is in any way invalid especially since you failed to contact owners of said space. Being a former member of that alliance I know for damn sure this has been how it always has been. As SE and ASCN are friends, you should really expect them to want to make it difficult for them or just announce your expansion to include SE as ASCN/SE relations could sour if they permit you access through their space. Think about the big picture first. Nytemaster Mega-Deth
Nytemaster	Posted - 2005.08.19 09:56:00 - [106] Originally by: Ithildin All in all, a better solution to this entire mess would've been to have opened a convo with one of MC's representatives and asked for a temporary +5 standing along with an added "please stay out of our space", upon which we'd have discussed issues like the U-QVWD area to both sides satisfaction. Uh, maybe YOU should contact SE for the +5 standing and to stay out of their space until you have been confirmed for it, otherwise accept the possibility of being shot. This arrogant notion that MC can do whatever the hell it wants and that people should contact them is really disturbing me. I've always held MC in the highest respects and don't feel that this one incident can change that, but I hope it doesn't become a pattern of behavior. Alliance borders mean something. If you are going to play the mercenary role you have to accept some of the bad that comes with it, including passing through allied territories of those you have contracts with the possibility of being shot. To not accept that possibility is inherently missing the point of alliance borders. Whether there are people there are not, it is still SE space and a strategic system to obviously hold because of the need to pass through it to get to ASCN space. I cannot say anything more about this but then again I haven't finished reading the thread. Nytemaster Mega-Deth
Nytemaster	Posted - 2005.08.19 09:58:00 - [107] Originally by: Rizmordan Hillgotlieb Edited by: Rizmordan Hillgotlieb on 09/08/2005 23:01:21 Actually... and I have to say this. When we have a contract to fulfill IMO we in the MC will go where we damn well please to fulfill it! thank you very much! We could care less what anyone thinks, what their stance is against us, whatever, you want to shoot an MC member? BRING FRIENDS! And for those that think MC is on a high horse... WE ARE. You wanna be higher? Buy an elephant! Sorry but i'm just tired of all the ignorance on these boards after two years of reading them. I was wrong, lost respect for MC, or at least this member of MC. Nytemaster Mega-Deth
Seleene	Posted - 2005.08.19 11:37:00 - [108] Edited by: Seleene on 19/08/2005 11:37:16 Originally by: Nytemaster I cannot say anything more about this but then again I haven't finished reading the thread. Nyte, it's pretty much solved, m8. We hardly see you guys anyway, so no biggie. - We're outnumbered! That simplifies the problem!
Drokar Gazer	Posted - 2005.08.20 02:15:00 - [109] Why does every thread have to be a damned Xetic meeting. I mean the drama here is sickning. Here are the facts. 1. MC Has a contract on ASCN. 2. MC has violated Stain Sovereignty by moving through its space a military force without the approval of Stain space as though the space in fact was owned and controlled by said illegal occupants, the MC. 3. MC refuse to respect Stain Sovereignty and in fact themselves initiated hostilities upon the Stain Empire by failing to respect the authority of the owners of the space in which you travel. 4. MC believes it operates on different rules because it is, in fact, the MC, and that the fact is true they are the MC, they somehow and therefore are due certain exlusions by right simply being them. 5. MC has been declared in error by the Stain Empire and is being given ample warning of potential hostilities if said incursions into Stain Sovereign territory continued past the stated deadline. So. What is difficult to understand? Please. Seems straightforward, were you actually expecting a different response? Please. [C-DEF] Civil Defense Bureau "Working in Defense of Empire Assets and Holdings" Molden Heath Regional Defense Board Member of The Shuffle Alliance Hail the Boognish!
Nytemaster	Posted - 2005.08.21 07:24:00 - [110] Originally by: Seleene Edited by: Seleene on 19/08/2005 11:37:16 Originally by: Nytemaster I cannot say anything more about this but then again I haven't finished reading the thread. Nyte, it's pretty much solved, m8. We hardly see you guys anyway, so no biggie. I am no longer Stain. I have not had affiliation with SE since the formal formation of the alliance known as Stain Empire. I am back from the old SA days and then it was a NBSI policy even then. Just a point I am trying to clarify, not that SE wants to fight MC outside it's borders. Nytemaster Mega-Deth

Ithildin	Posted - 2005.08.21 11:23:00 - [111] Originally by: Drokar Gazer Why does every thread have to be a damned Xetic meeting. I mean the drama here is sickning. Here are the facts. 1. MC Has a contract on ASCN. 2. MC has violated Stain Sovereignty by moving through its space a military force without the approval of Stain space as though the space in fact was owned and controlled by said illegal occupants, the MC. 3. MC refuse to respect Stain Sovereignty and in fact themselves initiated hostilities upon the Stain Empire by failing to respect the authority of the owners of the space in which you travel. 4. MC believes it operates on different rules because it is, in fact, the MC, and that the fact is true they are the MC, they somehow and therefore are due certain exlusions by right simply being them. 5. MC has been declared in error by the Stain Empire and is being given ample warning of potential hostilities if said incursions into Stain Sovereign territory continued past the stated deadline. So. What is difficult to understand? Please. Seems straightforward, were you actually expecting a different response? Please. 1. True 2. False 3. False 4. See below. 5. False The reason this thred is a "damned Xetic meeting" is because some people refuse to let it die. As for the rules and legalities in 0.0, they are what you make them. Unless you can back your claims up and enforce your rules they are nothing. There are several ways of doing this, and the MC does it through even-handed dealings, respecting the locals of the regions we operate in, and backing up agressions to us with cold, hard, force. Having MC operate next door to you, or even in your own area (unless you think we lack BMs for your area) is completely safe. We do not operate on a so-called NBSI policy. This has lead to a large amount of grief, however, more and more are coming to appreciate what that means. Sadly there are still many who let themselves get dragged in to fights by our opponents and we continuously see people getting hurt by this. It should be noted, however, that it is neither of the clients will nor ours to persue anything but a temporary hostility to Stain for the duration of our ASCN contract. I fully expect that Stain will exhaust their diplomatic channels before making such a gross statement as this one the next time they face a similar situation. This discussion has run its course long before this post and long before outside involvement. I cannot say I did not enjoy myself, however. -- You don't need to speak a language well to make a proper sentence, many grammar rules are universal. Please make an e
shivan	Posted - 2005.08.22 01:51:00 - [112] Originally by: Ithildin I fully expect that Stain will exhaust their diplomatic channels before making such a gross statement as this one the next time they face a similar situation. This discussion has run its course long before this post and long before outside involvement. I cannot say I did not enjoy myself, however. Yes this has run its corse, but why the hell should WE exhaust our diplomatic channels when its our space YOUR coming through to attack our friends? Surly it should be the other way round? --------------------------------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination http://ZeldereX.com/?topic=7599
Khaerie	Posted - 2005.08.22 02:58:00 - [113] I fully expect that Stain will exhaust their diplomatic channels before making such a gross statement as this one the next time they face a similar situation. To date, no diplomatic contact has been made by MC of any type. Thus, this was the simple and only way to make sure our position was known. It is not our policy to contact people when they wish permission to travel in our space. Thank you for your concerns. New Sig to come to a theatre near you. 2nd in Command for Stain Empire Foreign Affairs CEO
Ithildin	Posted - 2005.08.22 07:24:00 - [114] Ah yes, still you do not understand. We did not wish travel rights in your space. You only assumed we did. And you also assumed we were going to go through the Stain and Esoteria regions as if we owned them. This is, of course, a natural reaction I'd expect from someone with a mild dislike for our proffession and organisation who heard about the incident we had with SMASH in F-E space. No, to exhaust your diplomatic channels would mean taking initiative and contacting us, rather than the public, in order to make clear this situation. -- You don't need to know a language well to make a proper sentence, many grammar rules are universal. Do make an effort
Abriana Overlord	Posted - 2005.08.22 08:40:00 - [115] blah, blah, blah, blah STFU people. You want to do politics do it through convo not ****ing propoganda. This thread was finished ages ago so stop talking S%$t and let the events unfold for themselves. OMFGFORUMTROLLFTLGETALIFE DIE THREAD DIE
shivan	Posted - 2005.08.23 01:23:00 - [116] Originally by: Abriana Overlord blah, blah, blah, blah STFU people. You want to do politics do it through convo not ****ing propoganda. This thread was finished ages ago so stop talking S%$t and let the events unfold for themselves. OMFGFORUMTROLLFTLGETALIFE DIE THREAD DIE im senseing some pent up stress and anger issues here oh and yes you did travel through our space, when you went through sothern catch --------------------------------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination http://ZeldereX.com/?topic=7599
Berneh	Posted - 2005.08.23 02:27:00 - [117]
Seleene	Posted - 2005.08.23 05:02:00 - [118] Boofer and I had a nice chat last night and I see no reason for anyone to still be posting on this most necromantic of threads. Let's all let it die, shall we? - We're outnumbered! That simplifies the problem!

Abdalion	Posted - 2005.08.23 06:21:00 - [119] Originally by: Seleene Let's all let it die, shall we? Yes, I quite agree m'lady. It shall now be preserved as is into the annals of history. Click. -- I ♥ You.... ® Shepherd of the [23]



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