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Cujo	Posted - 2005.08.07 17:36:00 - [31] Originally by: Seleene That you claim you did not do this in support of ASCN is even more strange. Why bother then? We had oppertunities last night to fire on SE ships that were nowhere near your territory and did not. Now, due to this statement, we must assume the worst of any SE pilot we encounter even if we run into him or her outside your claimed space. All you have done is paint a big target on them with this grandiose press release. It's admirable, but completely over the top for dealing with an organization such as ours. Where did I say I did not support ASCN? Originally by: Cujo True ASCN are friends of Stain and I'm sure you can appreciate the fact that we can not allow passage thu our space to attack friends, Originally by: Seleene We had oppertunities last night to fire on SE ships that were nowhere near your territory and did not. I'm sure that could be said for both sides that does not expect it. Originally by: Seleene Now, due to this statement, we must assume the worst of any SE pilot we encounter even if we run into him or her outside your claimed space. Did you even read the above post? Originally by: Cujo The choice is entirely up to you. We will not fire unless our borders are crossed and ask that you respect our borders in this matter. Originally by: Seleene All you have done is paint a big target on them with this grandiose press release. It's admirable, but completely over the top for dealing with an organization such as ours. You could also say your painting a target on your self by not respecting our borders. Or you could choose another route. If you want to take us for granted... thats totally up to you. We have been in fights before, and your words of ôdealing with an organization such as ours.ö does not scare us if that was your intention by making such a statement. And again... The choice is entirely up to you. We will not fire unless our borders are crossed and ask that you respect our borders in this matter. There really is not much more to discuss. Further discussion will only result in flames which I don't not care to get involved with, I will not post anymore simply because I have made Stain's position clear. Cujo........ ------------------------------ R.I.P Rampage... Always Remember Stain
Seleene	Posted - 2005.08.07 17:55:00 - [32] Originally by: Cujo and your words of ôdealing with an organization such as ours.ö does not scare us if that was your intention by making such a statement. Nope. Just meant in the diplomatic sense is all. Originally by: Cujo Further discussion will only result in flames which I don't not care to get involved with, I will not post anymore simply because I have made Stain's position clear. Roger that! - We're outnumbered! That simplifies the problem!
Redeol	Posted - 2005.08.07 18:34:00 - [33] Edited by: Redeol on 07/08/2005 18:33:48 MC is getting a bit high on their horse i mean, Seleene you release a friggin press announcement every 5 mins, now SE asks you to respect its borders and you just wave all your principals away, stop blowing so hard from your tower tbh. ps this is an alt, not even from SE but an anonymous reader...
Seleene	Posted - 2005.08.07 19:08:00 - [34] Originally by: Redeol MC is getting a bit high on their horse i mean, Seleene you release a friggin press announcement every 5 mins, now SE asks you to respect its borders and you just wave all your principals away, stop blowing so hard from your tower tbh. ps this is an alt, not even from SE but an anonymous reader... Actually, about the only time we (MC) say anything publiclly is when we make a war declaration, and sometimes not even then. TBH, I don't like announcing war decs because it gives a lot of targets more warning than I would like. As for the rest, SE can do as they please. It's thier right, just as it is ours to conduct our buisiness in the manner most beneficial to our client. I've explained why we did not feel the need to make official contact with SE and Cujo has stated his POV as well. For all intents and purposes, this thread is dead. If anything further needs to be discussed, I'm sure it can be done via normal communications. - We're outnumbered! That simplifies the problem!
shivan	Posted - 2005.08.07 21:37:00 - [35] Originally by: Seleene If anything further needs to be discussed, I'm sure it can be done via normal communications. Would that be a 1400 mm II per chance? --------------------------------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination http://ZeldereX.com/?topic=7599
Wrok	Posted - 2005.08.07 23:03:00 - [36] Sry to say but MC should be chargeing more money from the client...LOL
Draximus Cane	Posted - 2005.08.07 23:04:00 - [37] Originally by: Wrok Sry to say but MC should be chargeing more money from the client...LOL How does 5 know what were getting paid, I don't even know that! -------------------------------------------------
General Killah	Posted - 2005.08.07 23:04:00 - [38] Originally by: Seleene Edited by: Seleene on 07/08/2005 16:59:19 Originally by: Cujo Also, extending a little common courtesy by commutations would have not brought the announcement. The announcement was made to make our position on this matter since no one thought to ask. Cujo, the simple fact is that the MC has no need to enter SE space except for the most extreme northern part of your border which rarely has a soul in it anyway. We did not contact you because we did not anticipate it would be necessary to let you know we might pass through for three or four minutes per day. It's very simple. We need to get from A to C. In order to get to C, we need to briefly fly through B. You are B. You don't care what we do in A. You don't care what we do to the poor bastards in C. So why bother worrying about B at all? You claim not to think you should have free reign to fly anywhere in 0.0 without being shot, however that paragraph alone proves you do think that. Way to contradict yourself right? --------------------------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination.
Agent Kenshin	Posted - 2005.08.08 01:54:00 - [39] Edited by: Agent Kenshin on 08/08/2005 01:56:07 Originally by: General Killah Originally by: Seleene Edited by: Seleene on 07/08/2005 16:59:19 Originally by: Cujo Also, extending a little common courtesy by commutations would have not brought the announcement. The announcement was made to make our position on this matter since no one thought to ask. Cujo, the simple fact is that the MC has no need to enter SE space except for the most extreme northern part of your border which rarely has a soul in it anyway. We did not contact you because we did not anticipate it would be necessary to let you know we might pass through for three or four minutes per day. It's very simple. We need to get from A to C. In order to get to C, we need to briefly fly through B. You are B. You don't care what we do in A. You don't care what we do to the poor bastards in C. So why bother worrying about B at all? You claim not to think you should have free reign to fly anywhere in 0.0 without being shot, however that paragraph alone proves you do think that. Way to contradict yourself right? Get over it man at least SE claims this territory and has claimed it for quit some time now. Not everyone is gonna bother us but some will. We accept this and as Seleene states up above we knew this could possibly happen. Now would you kindly remove yourself from here this has nothing to do with you. Issues at hand have been resolved. Originally by: MAXSuicide only carebears call pvpers 'greifers' ehehehh....
theRaptor	Posted - 2005.08.08 04:54:00 - [40] Poor Stain. Mean old MC. Don't cross the MC unless you want to fight them. That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die. -- Ancient "Dirt" Religious figure.
FalloutBoy	Posted - 2005.08.08 06:38:00 - [41] Originally by: theRaptor Don't cross the MC unless you want to fight them. I think thats partially the point. getting us fights that aren't as another MC member puts it "bug hunts"
Trooper B99	Posted - 2005.08.08 07:25:00 - [42] Originally by: FalloutBoy I think thats partially the point. getting us fights that aren't as another MC member puts it "bug hunts" Wirykomi Team Racer - COLOSSUS Championships Year 106
Julien Derida	Posted - 2005.08.08 10:48:00 - [43] Why does everyone fuss so much over things in the South? When we were contracted against PA, it was a given that we'd be fighting G, IRON and co as well. I guess that's a product of people NAPing more and allying less in the south. Anyway, I'm never one to complain about more targets. I'm not sure you should expect us to seek you out for 'good fights' though Stain. We are contracted to kill ASCN, not you, and that is what we will be doing. ---------------------------------------- Chief Inspector of the Style Police - FRICK
Novah	Posted - 2005.08.08 19:41:00 - [44] Just a small thing i have to say and its totally impartial. Is it worth the hassle to hit ascn when you are going to have the challenge of getting through SE space in one piece let alone into ascn space. It appears that your sponsor didnt take into consideration that SE would be kind of in the way of your movements into ascn space. Looks like the first hurdle in your campaign is going to be a little tall in the first place. Novah (SEIA) ********************************************************* Intersteller eXodus - Making Stain A Happier Place To Raise Your Family.
Fred0	Posted - 2005.08.08 20:19:00 - [45] Good job Stain for sticking up for your allies. Can't swing yer politics around to suit mercs :)
Ithildin	Posted - 2005.08.08 20:29:00 - [46] Novah, Stain patrols it's borders too sporadically and too weakly to present any kind of threat to us. If we wanted to we could go through Stain as we pleased, undetected. Since this declaration we also have. And believe me, when you live for the thrill of combat, having opponents aren't trouble. It's like placing good ore in the way for a miner. -- Prototype sig
Draximus Cane	Posted - 2005.08.08 20:47:00 - [47] Originally by: Novah Just a small thing i have to say and its totally impartial. Is it worth the hassle to hit ascn when you are going to have the challenge of getting through SE space in one piece let alone into ascn space. It appears that your sponsor didnt take into consideration that SE would be kind of in the way of your movements into ascn space. Looks like the first hurdle in your campaign is going to be a little tall in the first place. Novah (SEIA) Yup thats like sayin to a why do you want to mine all that Bistot, you will have to mine all that other ore that you don't really need first. we live to pvp, its what we do everyday, its how we earn our living. Why do people not understand we don't do Galactic Polotics, we just shoot red squares, more re squares, no problem. -------------------------------------------------
zarc	Posted - 2005.08.08 20:49:00 - [48] Originally by: Agent Kenshin Edited by: Agent Kenshin on 08/08/2005 01:56:07 Originally by: General Killah Originally by: Seleene Edited by: Seleene on 07/08/2005 16:59:19 Originally by: Cujo Also, extending a little common courtesy by commutations would have not brought the announcement. The announcement was made to make our position on this matter since no one thought to ask. Cujo, the simple fact is that the MC has no need to enter SE space except for the most extreme northern part of your border which rarely has a soul in it anyway. We did not contact you because we did not anticipate it would be necessary to let you know we might pass through for three or four minutes per day. It's very simple. We need to get from A to C. In order to get to C, we need to briefly fly through B. You are B. You don't care what we do in A. You don't care what we do to the poor bastards in C. So why bother worrying about B at all? You claim not to think you should have free reign to fly anywhere in 0.0 without being shot, however that paragraph alone proves you do think that. Way to contradict yourself right? Get over it man at least SE claims this territory and has claimed it for quit some time now. Not everyone is gonna bother us but some will. We accept this and as Seleene states up above we knew this could possibly happen. Now would you kindly remove yourself from here this has nothing to do with you. Issues at hand have been resolved. Hello Raytesh
ph33rf4ct0ry	Posted - 2005.08.08 23:18:00 - [49] Edited by: ph33rf4ct0ry on 08/08/2005 23:19:36 Yeyzusss you MC guys are getting more and more full of **** by the second. How can you expect an alliance to let you go through their space to attack one of their allies? Not that it's necessary but ask [5] to let you go through their space to attack Stain and see what their responce would be. It doesnÆt matter how many jumps or how desolate the area is it's the principle of the matter.
Julien Derida	Posted - 2005.08.08 23:54:00 - [50] Originally by: ph33rf4ct0ry Edited by: ph33rf4ct0ry on 08/08/2005 23:19:36 Yeyzusss you MC guys are getting more and more full of **** by the second. How can you expect an alliance to let you go through their space to attack one of their allies? Not that it's necessary but ask [5] to let you go through their space to attack Stain and see what their responce would be. It doesnÆt matter how many jumps or how desolate the area is it's the principle of the matter. Did you even read this thread? We didn't expect anything of the sort. ---------------------------------------- Chief Inspector of the Style Police - FRICK
Novah	Posted - 2005.08.08 23:55:00 - [51] Originally by: Ithildin Novah, Stain patrols it's borders too sporadically and too weakly to present any kind of threat to us. If we wanted to we could go through Stain as we pleased, undetected. Since this declaration we also have. And believe me, when you live for the thrill of combat, having opponents aren't trouble. It's like placing good ore in the way for a miner. Maybe this is true but as its been said......you have no intention of engaging SE yet to pass through to ascn space you have to enter stain space. Its inevitable that there is going to be conflict somewhere here. Since i only deal with internal matters and not foreign matters i can only assume that boofer has been spoken to as to your plans on how to bypass through stain to acheive you goals. If your goals seem to include engaging stain (which beleive has been mentioned in this thread) then thats something for foreign affairs to mediate. FUN FUN!! ********************************************************* Intersteller eXodus - Making Stain A Happier Place To Raise Your Family.
Khaerie	Posted - 2005.08.09 00:01:00 - [52] Originally by: Seleene Nope. Just meant in the diplomatic sense is all. Hmmm....I was too direct? Sorry, I prefer to keep things simple, honest and to the point. So when told to go post, I pretty much post the same way. If it offended you then I apologize for the phrasing. 2nd in Command for Stain Empire Foreign Affairs CEO
Nadalia	Posted - 2005.08.09 02:50:00 - [53] Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that the MC is being recurrently contracted against the same alliances and corporations (FA and ASCN/CLS in particular - and yes, I realise those two are enemies). Is this in some way due to the MC's known reservation to wardeccing 'friends', or are we just to assume that nobody has contracted the mercs against the big PvP alliances (BoB, [5], FIX et al)? Don't mean any disrespect, I'm just curious.
Sir JoJo	Posted - 2005.08.09 03:22:00 - [54] Edited by: Sir JoJo on 09/08/2005 03:23:04 TBH i gotta agrre whit SE here. when u live by a NBSI policy it counts all... sry though u arent there for kill SE or npc and whatevere u could do, but just to pass by u cant expect a allince to sudenly change politics and say that there members need to tjeck who they shoot before shooting in many cases that would result in u being dead while opning info and so. SE got there borders like many other alliance and its up to MC to either accept the border or risk to be shoot if u cant come to a agreement on a plus 5 standing. personally i dont really feel like u can come and say hey we are just here to pass by we wont shoot u just use a few system of u to kill u allies? u gotta follow u set of rules made. just my 2 cent on the issue. ------------- Be a warrior in game Not on forums -------------
Seleene	Posted - 2005.08.09 06:39:00 - [55] Originally by: Nadalia Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that the MC is being recurrently contracted against the same alliances and corporations (FA and ASCN/CLS in particular - and yes, I realise those two are enemies). Is this in some way due to the MC's known reservation to wardeccing 'friends', or are we just to assume that nobody has contracted the mercs against the big PvP alliances (BoB, [5], FIX et al)? Don't mean any disrespect, I'm just curious. No one has offered us a solid contract against BoB, [5] or FIX yet. As to why, your guess is as good as mine. - We're outnumbered! That simplifies the problem!
FerTec	Posted - 2005.08.09 06:48:00 - [56] Wow. Interesting move by SE. Very interesting turn out. This could lead to a border dispute, thus leading to an eventual, and mostly unavoidable DoW. I wish peace for both of you and to look for methods so that pilots lifes aren't at risk, but who am I, a meesly pilot.. Good luck to both sides.
Theron Gyrow	Posted - 2005.08.09 09:49:00 - [57] Very nice banner. Just add an "N" to it, please? -- Gradient's forum
Razzil	Posted - 2005.08.09 09:50:00 - [58] Mercenaries! Comparable to terrorists, but only with base motives! At least terrorists fight for an ultimate goal. And they are willing to die for it. The only motivation of mercenaries is dirty money. We will not tolerate, that you try to desecrate or holy grounds, where thousands of brave Legionaires sacrificed themselfes for the Empire. Maybe our hilt is a bit rusty and our Legionaires are a bit out of form! But the blade is still sharp and the spirit is still alive! You will experience now, what it means to face the Legion. May the Fallen be remembered as the Emperors finest forever!
hezie99	Posted - 2005.08.09 10:39:00 - [59] tbh stain isnt exactly hard to get in and out of
EElak	Posted - 2005.08.09 10:55:00 - [60] Free hunting pass and traveling rights in Stain, I like it \o/

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