Get out of HighSec
Make Isk Elsewhere
Sleepers
Level 5's.
Plexes ETC ETC ETC ETC

Corporate/alliance based ship replacement programs.

Plexing is hardly hard yet it can have far better rewards. Why?

And how is that usually funded? By hours of mindless mining. The gear still has to be manufactured or bought either with ISK or Plex.

You could also do like people with brains do and start small with frigates, instead of being bad and whining about a non problem.

have you run any high level plexes recently? I'm guessing not....

This is addressing the issue of casual high sec players who don't want to take their valuable pve boats out of high sec. They exist deal with it. Plexing is hardly hard yet it can have far better rewards. Why?

Lesson learned,

people don't like change.

In the meantime casual players will continue to live in high sec and cite ISK as the barrier to PVP. I'm not going to argue, it was just a thought.

Well clearly it is a problem as CCP is constantly asking for suggestions how to get people out of high sec and into PVP. And since when have frigates been free? There is still a cost that will mount up if you don't do something to replenish your ISK.

Lesson learned, people don't like change. In the meantime casual players will continue to live in high sec and cite ISK as the barrier to PVP. I'm not going to argue, it was just a thought.

Lesson learned, people don't like change. In the meantime casual players will continue to live in high sec and cite ISK as the barrier to PVP. I'm not going to argue, it was just a thought.

You don't have to run high level plexes to get faction mods drop.

What a load of bull ...

Lets find a solution to this problem that ALOT of people seem to be having.

Claim to be a casual player... Wonder why you can't afford stuff.

I'm coming to the realization that I don't think there is something wrong with the game atall?

TLDR: Complaining about not being able to compete, Is a casual player.

Go play the new call of duty when it comes out. I heard they have awesome weapon skins.

I thought increasing the drop rate on rare mods would be a good idea. At least until I realized that increasing the drop rate would cause the price to go down and we'd be right back where we started.

Get out of HighSec
Make Isk Elsewhere
Sleepers
Level 5's.
Plexes ETC ETC ETC ETC

Actually, the opposite should happen. Meta modules should only drop components that act as BPCs which will manufacture the meta module with the T1 module and possibly other materials.

This means more demand for minerals, more demand for T1 items and thus greater income through mining and manufacturing. The increased need for manufacturing lines will also lead to longer queues in highsec and the possibility of people going to lowsec for lower volume meta manufacturing.

for a new player

no
no
no
no, and no no no no

P.S.: If you wonder what I'm on about with the frigate thing, just ask Rixx Javix or any other member of the Tuskers (or Rifter Drifters if they're still around). Frigate PvP is the best PvP.

improving mission loot

My opinion is that the barrier for most casual players to leave high sec and go looking for trouble is cost.

Get out of HighSec
Make Isk Elsewhere
Sleepers
Level 5's.
Plexes ETC ETC ETC ETC

This is addressing the issue of casual high sec players who don't want to take their valuable pve boats out of high sec. They exist deal with it.

OP, you have come to the wrong place to get support for your idea.
In fact, the new CSM will be making it a priority to ruin missions even further, at least high sec ones.

They will be focused on accelerating the process of turning high sec into a wasteland.

Read the CSM platforms, or listen to the Zebra Crossings podcasts, or simply read these forums, and put it all together.
The new voting system ensures complete dominance of the CSM by null sec.
CCP has already stated they want the CSM more closely involved in the direction of the game, as a "stakeholder", and null sec is going to make every effort to control the CSM and the direction of the game.

The null sec power blocs are a patient bunch, and not stupid. They realize that CCP will put up quite a lot of resistance to wiping out high sec in one go, so they will ask for "small rebalances", and maintain the pressure over the coming years. They have been at it for a couple now, with noticeable results on reducing high sec income.

My best guess, their ultimate wish list to CCP will include:

Mission loot/bounties cut in half
Incursions cut by 50-75% (though a goon rep said he wants them left alone, so that one is iffy),
Refining efficiency maxed at 90% in high sec.
Oh, but that refining efficiency won't mean much since null sec is whining, and will get, new rocks that pump out huge quantities of trit and pyerite. Wanna guess what that does to high sec mining income?
Oh, and for the industrialist, odds are quite high that you can kiss goodbye T2 mfg in high sec.

And this is not conjecture. These are all various items posted on numerous platforms of null sec candidates, or in forum posts by the null sec propaganda teams over the last 6 months. Given that the null sec power blocs are looking to control at least 10 of the 14 seats, maybe 12, they will be pushing hard for this to happen.

I have been focusing on cleaning out my hangars of all meta 1 and meta 2 stuff, refining, and then selling the low end minerals before the mining changes are announced and trit, pyerite, and the other low end min prices crater. I also figure that meta3 and meta4 items will rise dramatically when T2 item production is handed to the null sec oligarchs.

But, as I said, these guys are a patient bunch. They recognize it is a long long haul to wipe out high sec, they won't get all they ask for in this CSM. But they will maintain the pressure, and sooner, rather than later, no one will be able to make a decent income in high sec.

CCP have for years been looking for a way to increase the takeup of PVP within its population of carebears. My opinion is that the barrier for most casual players to leave high sec and go looking for trouble is cost.

The upshot is that if you are looking to replace say a fully fitted PVP 'Cane then you need to fork out about 75m? That can be an evening's work. People who want to PVP don't want to spend a week missioning in order to have enough in their pocket to fund a night's fun shooting people.

There is very little money to be made in manufacturing mods or indeed ships these days. Why anyone does it is beyond me.
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The economy is stagnating to the point that the cost of items on the market is pretty much ore price. Gear can't get much cheaper yet most people find that pvp is not self subsidising.

OP, you have come to the wrong place to get support for your idea.
In fact, the new CSM will be making it a priority to ruin missions even further, at least high sec ones.

They will be focused on accelerating the process of turning high sec into a wasteland.

Read the CSM platforms, or listen to the Zebra Crossings podcasts, or simply read these forums, and put it all together.
The new voting system ensures complete dominance of the CSM by null sec.
CCP has already stated they want the CSM more closely involved in the direction of the game, as a "stakeholder", and null sec is going to make every effort to control the CSM and the direction of the game.

The null sec power blocs are a patient bunch, and not stupid. They realize that CCP will put up quite a lot of resistance to wiping out high sec in one go, so they will ask for "small rebalances", and maintain the pressure over the coming years. They have been at it for a couple now, with noticeable results on reducing high sec income.

My best guess, their ultimate wish list to CCP will include:

Mission loot/bounties cut in half
Incursions cut by 50-75% (though a goon rep said he wants them left alone, so that one is iffy),
Refining efficiency maxed at 90% in high sec.
Oh, but that refining efficiency won't mean much since null sec is whining, and will get, new rocks that pump out huge quantities of trit and pyerite. Wanna guess what that does to high sec mining income?
Oh, and for the industrialist, odds are quite high that you can kiss goodbye T2 mfg in high sec.

And this is not conjecture. These are all various items posted on numerous platforms of null sec candidates, or in forum posts by the null sec propaganda teams over the last 6 months. Given that the null sec power blocs are looking to control at least 10 of the 14 seats, maybe 12, they will be pushing hard for this to happen.

I have been focusing on cleaning out my hangars of all meta 1 and meta 2 stuff, refining, and then selling the low end minerals before the mining changes are announced and trit, pyerite, and the other low end min prices crater. I also figure that meta3 and meta4 items will rise dramatically when T2 item production is handed to the null sec oligarchs.

But, as I said, these guys are a patient bunch. They recognize it is a long long haul to wipe out high sec, they won't get all they ask for in this CSM. But they will maintain the pressure, and sooner, rather than later, no one will be able to make a decent income in high sec.

people should be able to make enough income in high sec to "get by". highsec should be equivelant to making minimum wage in real life. if you want to make higher wages, take some risks and stop eating the sand.

There is very little money to be made in manufacturing mods or indeed ships these days. Why anyone does it is beyond me.
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I make a fortune making those very things.

Frigates and even cruisers are pretty cheap and fun to fight in....

lol no, it's called a credit card, to set yourself free from the 550mil monthly overhead per account.

the better level 4 missions such as WC, Mordus, Gone Beserk or Blocade run with maxxed out social skills may get you 3m in reward, 10~20m in bounties and then there is the loot..

The people that do not PvP, do not PvP, for one very simply reason.... They have no interest in PvP. And, there is NOTHING you can do to make them want to PvP.

If they don't want to PvP then why do they mine? Why do they inject more isk in to the game? Why do they buy & sell on the market? These things are also PvP.