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Antic	Posted - 2005.08.15 12:44:00 - [31] Edited by: Antic on 15/08/2005 12:57:36 Originally by: Earthan Originally by: Antic eve has indeed become Quake in space. Its not all about killing. Atleast i want to think that isnt all eve is. What are you talking about? So you go fighting pvp to shoot at your opponent few shots, then tell him a joke , then drink a beer with him and let him fly away? I mean of if you fight you fight to win right, to destroy your enemy?? No, i only PVP when im bored. Because its pointless. And when bored, some pointless ganking helps for a while. Atelast untill kalis faction warfares, PVP in eve really has no other goal than to gank eachother, exactly like quake. Theres no real alliance wars, just blobs than run around ganking gangs or groups outnumbered 10 to 1. Since cold war have we seen any real battles for soveregnity? no. And we most likely wont either because why attack a defended PoS when theres lots of undefended PoS out there you can take down instead with less of a hassle? And thus why defend a PoS when its unlikely an attack will come? or when the battle is over before you had the chance to travel 2 gates towards the location due to insane short combat in eve? Theres no mechanics in that gives wars a point yet. Theres no mechanics in that motiveates players to participate. For kills? dont make me laugh. Theres games out there who have much of the stuff already that eve has on the idea stage. Games thats old and that has crappy graphics yes, but still the mechanics and the idea of how to implement it has been there all the time. Since before eve was created. And still we have this pointless Space quake war. Darkspace is a title thats a good example. They even have an ingenious system for this 100% PVP game where its your damage that counts the most not your kills towards the rewards. Wich means you automaticaly have solved the logistics ship problem in that game cus that gives plenty of ships for the logistics guys to repair and they get rewarded by the amount of damage they repair for example. The whole reason for doing this is to fight for planets and planet systems, much like in eve, with the differance that you can build planets here, so there you have the motivation in a larger scope for figthing and for choosing where to fight, in the smaller scope the motivation is that you have to take part in combat or activities around it if you want the rewards so people will actively seek combat, the larger the fleet battles the better for all professions/specialists. Even builders cus someone gotta build captured planets or rebuild destroyed infrastructure/defences. In eve you stand to gain more by avoiding battles, or fight where theres no oposition. Only reason to do it for now is for "fun" or "kicks". Kills gives nice stats and a nice explosion animation yes but still if someone runs off etc you have still won in that game. This was years ago. So eve really took two steps backwards in features when it comes to game design when eve was created. I feel EvE developers is tryign to reinvent the wheel when they could just have copied the design and used the time to refine it instead.
Earthan	Posted - 2005.08.15 12:56:00 - [32] Whiile i partly agree still allaince pvp has a big impact.We see alliances die and rise. ORS, NORAD, Phoenix,Xetic,Curse to name just a few alliance war i took part and that made a big difference , a difference you can see on map. Stars, stars like dust, all around me....
Magnus Thermopyle	Posted - 2005.08.15 14:01:00 - [33] I agree about the PvP. There really should be some reason for corps to fight over systems. This could be anything, for examle if there only where 5 factories that could build dreadnaughts, and those factories where in 0.0 systems, you would have something to fight for. Or special agents that gives ultra hard missions with BPO rewards, or uber asteroid fields, or special jumpgate clusters that can take you to a lot of different systems, and so on.
Lord Morkoth	Posted - 2005.08.15 15:34:00 - [34] Originally by: Magnus Thermopyle I agree about the PvP. There really should be some reason for corps to fight over systems. This could be anything, for examle if there only where 5 factories that could build dreadnaughts, and those factories where in 0.0 systems, you would have something to fight for. Or special agents that gives ultra hard missions with BPO rewards, or uber asteroid fields, or special jumpgate clusters that can take you to a lot of different systems, and so on. word We are The Collective. Resistance is futile.
Techyon	Posted - 2005.08.15 17:22:00 - [35] CCP plz listen to Magnus he's got some nice ideas ------ ARIN Recruiter
Aeaea	Posted - 2005.08.15 21:13:00 - [36] Or maybe make a penalty system for having unfair battles in terms of ships and types of ships.
Weirda	Posted - 2005.08.15 21:25:00 - [37] Edited by: Weirda on 15/08/2005 21:26:35 seem like with the dual optimal bonus you could use AM at much further ranges in Harpy then Enyo. At the end of the day, ammo type and optimal range make a much larger difference on the battlefield then ppl give it credit for - at least in smaller engagements. weirda would go with harpy - as it better suit the role of the AF iwho. don't fly either though... have had both on wing and it certainly seem like harpy have much larger range of effect then enyo - and therefore wipe fast moving frigs off the field sooner and better... -- Thread Killer (attempting to train verbosity from 4 back down to 1) <END TRANSMISSION>
Orvas Dren	Posted - 2005.08.15 22:46:00 - [38] The Weirda has spoken, all listen!!! =============================================== The Nest
Cummilla	Posted - 2005.08.16 00:50:00 - [39] which one would stand a better chance against a equally skilled pilot in a caracal for example?
xOm3gAx	Posted - 2005.08.16 02:33:00 - [40] harpy will only drop an enyo with gist / ew loot equipped so in general if u dont have the isk enyo > harpy though i suppose it could go either way depending on setups. ----------------- Decloaks and starts blasting your sig Applesauce Biotch ~~~My Banner got nerfed~~~ But I still love the mods anyway Succumb to your nightmares Darkness shall embrace you
Cowboy	Posted - 2005.08.16 07:27:00 - [41] Edited by: Cowboy on 16/08/2005 07:27:20 Originally by: Grimpak get an ishkur hush your mouth you go ahead people fly all the harpys and enyos you want they are great ships. Ishkurs are utter crapola and none should EVER fly them in solo pvp hunting ops Seriously, a good enyo pilot should take the harpy almost every time, unless {like others have pointed out) the harpy is running gisti or ew set ups.
Bazman	Posted - 2005.08.16 08:54:00 - [42] Originally by: Cowboy Edited by: Cowboy on 16/08/2005 07:27:20 Originally by: Grimpak get an ishkur hush your mouth you go ahead people fly all the harpys and enyos you want they are great ships. Ishkurs are utter crapola and none should EVER fly them in solo pvp hunting ops Seriously, a good enyo pilot should take the harpy almost every time, unless {like others have pointed out) the harpy is running gisti or ew set ups. Rubbish. One of my corpmates killed TWO harpies at the same time with his Ishkur. Ishkur rocks :P The thing to remember is that sub 20km, the Harpy is horribly, horribly outmatched by the Enyo's superior tanking (assuming no Gistii) However the Harpy's effective range of 70km with a sniper setup means you can continue to fight in situations that warping in with any other short range AF would be total suicide. ^¼_¼^ this is bazman. copy bazman into your bio to help him on his way to world domination
Cowboy	Posted - 2005.08.16 22:30:00 - [43] Edited by: Cowboy on 16/08/2005 22:31:48 Originally by: Bazman Originally by: Cowboy Edited by: Cowboy on 16/08/2005 07:27:20 Originally by: Grimpak get an ishkur hush your mouth you Go ahead people fly all the harpys and enyos you want they are great ships. Ishkurs are utter crapola and none should EVER fly them in solo pvp hunting ops Seriously, a good enyo pilot should take the harpy almost every time, unless {like others have pointed out) the harpy is running gisti or ew set ups. Rubbish. One of my corpmates killed TWO harpies at the same time with his Ishkur. Ishkur rocks :P no no no ishkurs are the crappiest AFs in game. Infact you folks that have a BPO should just hand it over to me. For the love of god people just escrow any ishukr with 4 med drones to me. All you other folks can continue flying those enyoyos and herpes
Don Dada	Posted - 2005.08.17 21:53:00 - [44] Is the Ishkur really that good ? What set up would you run for solo pvp ?

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