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EveTerrorist	Posted - 2005.08.12 22:49:00 - [1] I will soon be able to pilot either ship, but can't decide which one to choose. I intend using the vessel for either solo 0.0 pvp hunting or perhaps accompanied by an interceptor (likely to be a Crow or Claw). Whichever one I choose I am likely to fit rails. The Harpy gisti set up seems nice but is very expensive and is a lot to risk losing. I was wondering whether I'd get more value for money with the Enyo. So my question is, should I go with the Harpy or the Enyo and why ? I'd gratefully appreciate any recommended set ups (although I have already looked at the stickys for both ships). Thanks
TIO 101	Posted - 2005.08.12 23:03:00 - [2] Get both imo, depending on the role + target would depend on what to use, My enyo can go vs other Gallente / Caldari Ships no problems, Harpy's are a dodle to kill in it, but vs amarr / minmatar AF's it can get dicey @ CQC, Harpy is prolly better for Kiting other AF's but the damage output is greatly diminished, however if it has a kite setup there is noway for it to kill my enyo. My usual setup consists of a setup capable of allowing me to continuously tank, tackle and fire upon the enemy, you have to setup your own ships to your own tastes, TIO 101 - TheInvisibleOne
danneh	Posted - 2005.08.12 23:21:00 - [3] Enyo.
Don Dada	Posted - 2005.08.12 23:55:00 - [4] I'd go Enyo too.
VanDam	Posted - 2005.08.12 23:57:00 - [5] I have diced up many harpy's but no so with enyo's they r the only AF that can really maych up to my retribution i have been in a 1 vs 1 and we had to call it a draw as no 1 could break each others tank so, yeah go for the enyo definetly Remember...... Never Trust A Man With No Eyelids That Blinks
EveTerrorist	Posted - 2005.08.13 00:11:00 - [6] So the general consensus is Enyo it seems. Thanks. Does anyone have any suggested set ups. As I'm usually likely to have a tackler with me. I was thnking something like: Hi 4 x 125mm or 150mm tech 2 Rails (subject to testing for tracking etc) 1 named launcher (defenders) Mid 2 x cap recharger (tech 2 or named - damn tech 2 are expensive !!) or 1 x X5 webber 1 x cap recharger (tech 2 or named) Low 1 x dmg mod 1 x small tech 2 armour repair 1 x energized reactive plating tech 2 (or energized adaptive nano tech 2) 1 x cap relay I'm yet to test the grid/cpu requirements but think it will fit. I'd be grateful if anyone has any suggestions about how I can improve this proposed set up. Thanks
kessah	Posted - 2005.08.13 00:13:00 - [7] enyo - harpy's only better with gist or ew --------------------------------------------------------
FalloutBoy	Posted - 2005.08.13 00:15:00 - [8] harpy can be better in gangs in my opin, enyo is more all purpose
Linavin	Posted - 2005.08.13 02:42:00 - [9] Play style preference, Enyo is a bit more suited to closer range combat because of the tracking bonus, extra speed and lower mass. Harpy is a bit more suited to longer range combat, with the dual 50% optimal bonuses. But in reality both most of the time end up at 10-20 km slugging away with antimatter in tech II rails. Chose one by slot layout or you tanking prefrence, or even better get both, since the only skill difference (in requirements and practical use) between the two is frig 5.
Harry Voyager	Posted - 2005.08.13 03:03:00 - [10] One thing to be aware of when you start flying Assault Frigates, is You Will Die Often. Expect to lose about five before you finally get the hang of them, and start doing well.
Kuningatar	Posted - 2005.08.13 06:59:00 - [11] Wolf.
Bracius	Posted - 2005.08.13 07:11:00 - [12] Originally by: Kuningatar Wolf. Or retribution. Somehow the gallente/caldari i don't like. And i was dissapointed at enyo and i guess harpy is even worse.
Bazman	Posted - 2005.08.13 12:14:00 - [13] I have nothing but bad things to say about Enyo's I prefer the Harpy for it's ability to actually continue fighting in situations where other AF's would not go. Warping in at 60km and blasting out an inty from under the noses of a ten man squad is fun, try that in your bloody enyo :P ^¼_¼^ this is bazman. copy bazman into your bio to help him on his way to world domination
Vladimir Pushka	Posted - 2005.08.13 12:17:00 - [14] I am not sure about being prepared to lose assault ships often. This may be the case in pvp however I have flown at least 800 lvl 2 missions and many lvl 3's and have never lost my enyo. I have warped away with 13% structure (this was the first combat my enyo saw and I was jumped by a heap of drones). IMO the enyo is the best ship when you are looking for bang for buck. The 2 mids make it more flexible than the retri and it tanks nearly as good. I love my enyo......it's dead sexy. That said I just bought a gistii ab and sb for my harpy, so I'm sure I won't be disappointed.
Asprintlitz Zandi	Posted - 2005.08.13 12:44:00 - [15] i just bought a harpy myself. my CEO and i bolth own one and a team of harpy's are deadly but i think that i'm also going to get an enyo for soloing Asprintlitz Zandi RNS Krista NX-2NF45
MACK TEN	Posted - 2005.08.14 00:10:00 - [16] I'd go Harpy with the gisti set up for fleet ops or an enyo for solo work.
Lord Morkoth	Posted - 2005.08.14 00:31:00 - [17] if u have the isk (and will) to buy a gisti sb, go for the harpy. It pwns all else if used with a gisti sb. Gisti 4tw We are The Collective. Resistance is futile.
Orvas Dren	Posted - 2005.08.14 16:28:00 - [18] Enyo, anyone who doubts the capabilities of this ship simply doesn't know how to fly like a Gallente. In PvE I run... Highs: 4 x Light Ion II's 1 x Arbalest or OE-5200 Rocket with ROCKETS (Defenders only work against torps/cruise dependably and they are the two missle types you can tank all day long.) Mids: 1 x 1MN AB II 1 x Fleeting Web Lows: 1 x Small ARU II 1 x Energized Adaptive Nano (II if you can fit it) 1 x Mag Stab II 1 x Cap Relay I run almost every LVL 3 mission with this. There are a few with a lot of explosive light missles or swarms of drones that are unavoidable. Cruiser NPC's never stand a chance, even the ones that hit hard, just angle your incoming vector, and by the time you get into orbit range, around 1300m (Orbit set at 500-800m) you are out of danger and can break the tank real quick. Webbers are bad for that setup, but I can still tank them long enough to creep into range and take them out, even with cruisers firing at me. For PvP I would estimate this setup is better.. Highs: 4 x 125mm II 1 x Arbalest Standard with Light Missles (Again, defenders suck for this little ship) Mids: 1 x 1MN AB II 1 x Named Cap Charger or Web Lows: 1 x Small ARU II 1 x Energized Adaptive Nano (II if you can fit it) 1 x Mag Stab II 1 x Cap Relay II or Dmod if you can fit another I used that setup for PvE as well, both work well. Learn the tactics of this setup and you can use it just fine. BTW with Energy Mgmt 4 and Energy Sys Op 5 EVERYTHING runs continous. Having good Fuel Conservation, Controlled Bursts and other individual cap use skills helps. jide's object explorer The Nest
RedWyvern	Posted - 2005.08.14 20:03:00 - [19] 1 x dmg mod 1 x small tech 2 armour repair 1 x energized reactive plating tech 2 (or energized adaptive nano tech 2) 1 x cap relay Be wary against minimatar ships or anything with a lot of missiles. Base resists to EXP and EM are 10% and 60% afaik, and a tech II nano isn't enough once your shield goes. Not that it's easy to maintain a perfect tank in an AF of course...just try not to get called primary in a fleet op, or go 1v1 with a Wolf Loyalty, Integrity, Honour.
Edoo	Posted - 2005.08.14 20:19:00 - [20] Awesome PvP enyo setup... (great damage + sustained tank) 4 x 150mm rail II with antimatter 1 standard missile launcher cap recharger Webber Small armor repairer II Nano adaptive membrane 2 x Cap relay -------------------------------------------------------- Edoo - TPDT Recruitment Manager, PA Diplomat
Sorja	Posted - 2005.08.15 04:59:00 - [21] How people can fly an Enyo or Harpy without a mag stab puzzles me
Lord Morkoth	Posted - 2005.08.15 05:12:00 - [22] I'd like to see the enoy do THIS We are The Collective. Resistance is futile.
Laocoon	Posted - 2005.08.15 09:33:00 - [23] Originally by: Lord Morkoth I'd like to see the enoy do THIS K5-JRD, eh? (look in the chat window...) ---------------
Orvas Dren	Posted - 2005.08.15 10:51:00 - [24] See it do that? Easy... jide's object explorer The Nest
Earthan	Posted - 2005.08.15 10:55:00 - [25] Howis this possible so many setups dont have warp scrmbler?How can you expect to kill anything without one?? Stars, stars like dust, all around me....
Antic	Posted - 2005.08.15 11:02:00 - [26] eve has indeed become Quake in space. Its not all about killing. Atleast i want to think that isnt all eve is.
Fuazzole	Posted - 2005.08.15 11:05:00 - [27] Originally by: Lord Morkoth I'd like to see the enoy do THIS lol,..ive seen 3 month old characters get lucky BC kills with just a kessie ive killed a cyclon in under 1min with an ishkur,..i do not see how an enyo couldn't kill 1
Orvas Dren	Posted - 2005.08.15 11:14:00 - [28] As Fuazzole put it... If I knew I was heading for PvP encounters in my Enyo, I would alter my setup... 4 x 125mm II's 1 x Arbalest Standard 1 x Web 1 x Scrambler 1 x Small ARU II 1 x Energized Adaptive 1 x Mag Stab II 1 x Cap Relay And that would be able to handle a BC fairly easy, depending on the BC's setup and pilot skills. jide's object explorer The Nest
Earthan	Posted - 2005.08.15 11:26:00 - [29] Originally by: Antic eve has indeed become Quake in space. Its not all about killing. Atleast i want to think that isnt all eve is. What are you talking about? So you go fighting pvp to shoot at your opponent few shots, then tell him a joke , then drink a beer with him and let him fly away? I mean of if you fight you fight to win right, to destroy your enemy?? Stars, stars like dust, all around me....
Grimpak	Posted - 2005.08.15 11:31:00 - [30] get an ishkur ------------------- Quote: Fragm's Oversized Ego Cannon barely scratches the forums, inflicting omgnoonecares damage
Antic	Posted - 2005.08.15 12:44:00 - [31] Edited by: Antic on 15/08/2005 12:57:36 Originally by: Earthan Originally by: Antic eve has indeed become Quake in space. Its not all about killing. Atleast i want to think that isnt all eve is. What are you talking about? So you go fighting pvp to shoot at your opponent few shots, then tell him a joke , then drink a beer with him and let him fly away? I mean of if you fight you fight to win right, to destroy your enemy?? No, i only PVP when im bored. Because its pointless. And when bored, some pointless ganking helps for a while. Atelast untill kalis faction warfares, PVP in eve really has no other goal than to gank eachother, exactly like quake. Theres no real alliance wars, just blobs than run around ganking gangs or groups outnumbered 10 to 1. Since cold war have we seen any real battles for soveregnity? no. And we most likely wont either because why attack a defended PoS when theres lots of undefended PoS out there you can take down instead with less of a hassle? And thus why defend a PoS when its unlikely an attack will come? or when the battle is over before you had the chance to travel 2 gates towards the location due to insane short combat in eve? Theres no mechanics in that gives wars a point yet. Theres no mechanics in that motiveates players to participate. For kills? dont make me laugh. Theres games out there who have much of the stuff already that eve has on the idea stage. Games thats old and that has crappy graphics yes, but still the mechanics and the idea of how to implement it has been there all the time. Since before eve was created. And still we have this pointless Space quake war. Darkspace is a title thats a good example. They even have an ingenious system for this 100% PVP game where its your damage that counts the most not your kills towards the rewards. Wich means you automaticaly have solved the logistics ship problem in that game cus that gives plenty of ships for the logistics guys to repair and they get rewarded by the amount of damage they repair for example. The whole reason for doing this is to fight for planets and planet systems, much like in eve, with the differance that you can build planets here, so there you have the motivation in a larger scope for figthing and for choosing where to fight, in the smaller scope the motivation is that you have to take part in combat or activities around it if you want the rewards so people will actively seek combat, the larger the fleet battles the better for all professions/specialists. Even builders cus someone gotta build captured planets or rebuild destroyed infrastructure/defences. In eve you stand to gain more by avoiding battles, or fight where theres no oposition. Only reason to do it for now is for "fun" or "kicks". Kills gives nice stats and a nice explosion animation yes but still if someone runs off etc you have still won in that game. This was years ago. So eve really took two steps backwards in features when it comes to game design when eve was created. I feel EvE developers is tryign to reinvent the wheel when they could just have copied the design and used the time to refine it instead.
Earthan	Posted - 2005.08.15 12:56:00 - [32] Whiile i partly agree still allaince pvp has a big impact.We see alliances die and rise. ORS, NORAD, Phoenix,Xetic,Curse to name just a few alliance war i took part and that made a big difference , a difference you can see on map. Stars, stars like dust, all around me....
Magnus Thermopyle	Posted - 2005.08.15 14:01:00 - [33] I agree about the PvP. There really should be some reason for corps to fight over systems. This could be anything, for examle if there only where 5 factories that could build dreadnaughts, and those factories where in 0.0 systems, you would have something to fight for. Or special agents that gives ultra hard missions with BPO rewards, or uber asteroid fields, or special jumpgate clusters that can take you to a lot of different systems, and so on.
Lord Morkoth	Posted - 2005.08.15 15:34:00 - [34] Originally by: Magnus Thermopyle I agree about the PvP. There really should be some reason for corps to fight over systems. This could be anything, for examle if there only where 5 factories that could build dreadnaughts, and those factories where in 0.0 systems, you would have something to fight for. Or special agents that gives ultra hard missions with BPO rewards, or uber asteroid fields, or special jumpgate clusters that can take you to a lot of different systems, and so on. word We are The Collective. Resistance is futile.
Techyon	Posted - 2005.08.15 17:22:00 - [35] CCP plz listen to Magnus he's got some nice ideas ------ ARIN Recruiter
Aeaea	Posted - 2005.08.15 21:13:00 - [36] Or maybe make a penalty system for having unfair battles in terms of ships and types of ships.
Weirda	Posted - 2005.08.15 21:25:00 - [37] Edited by: Weirda on 15/08/2005 21:26:35 seem like with the dual optimal bonus you could use AM at much further ranges in Harpy then Enyo. At the end of the day, ammo type and optimal range make a much larger difference on the battlefield then ppl give it credit for - at least in smaller engagements. weirda would go with harpy - as it better suit the role of the AF iwho. don't fly either though... have had both on wing and it certainly seem like harpy have much larger range of effect then enyo - and therefore wipe fast moving frigs off the field sooner and better... -- Thread Killer (attempting to train verbosity from 4 back down to 1) <END TRANSMISSION>
Orvas Dren	Posted - 2005.08.15 22:46:00 - [38] The Weirda has spoken, all listen!!! =============================================== The Nest
Cummilla	Posted - 2005.08.16 00:50:00 - [39] which one would stand a better chance against a equally skilled pilot in a caracal for example?
xOm3gAx	Posted - 2005.08.16 02:33:00 - [40] harpy will only drop an enyo with gist / ew loot equipped so in general if u dont have the isk enyo > harpy though i suppose it could go either way depending on setups. ----------------- Decloaks and starts blasting your sig Applesauce Biotch ~~~My Banner got nerfed~~~ But I still love the mods anyway Succumb to your nightmares Darkness shall embrace you
Cowboy	Posted - 2005.08.16 07:27:00 - [41] Edited by: Cowboy on 16/08/2005 07:27:20 Originally by: Grimpak get an ishkur hush your mouth you go ahead people fly all the harpys and enyos you want they are great ships. Ishkurs are utter crapola and none should EVER fly them in solo pvp hunting ops Seriously, a good enyo pilot should take the harpy almost every time, unless {like others have pointed out) the harpy is running gisti or ew set ups.
Bazman	Posted - 2005.08.16 08:54:00 - [42] Originally by: Cowboy Edited by: Cowboy on 16/08/2005 07:27:20 Originally by: Grimpak get an ishkur hush your mouth you go ahead people fly all the harpys and enyos you want they are great ships. Ishkurs are utter crapola and none should EVER fly them in solo pvp hunting ops Seriously, a good enyo pilot should take the harpy almost every time, unless {like others have pointed out) the harpy is running gisti or ew set ups. Rubbish. One of my corpmates killed TWO harpies at the same time with his Ishkur. Ishkur rocks :P The thing to remember is that sub 20km, the Harpy is horribly, horribly outmatched by the Enyo's superior tanking (assuming no Gistii) However the Harpy's effective range of 70km with a sniper setup means you can continue to fight in situations that warping in with any other short range AF would be total suicide. ^¼_¼^ this is bazman. copy bazman into your bio to help him on his way to world domination
Cowboy	Posted - 2005.08.16 22:30:00 - [43] Edited by: Cowboy on 16/08/2005 22:31:48 Originally by: Bazman Originally by: Cowboy Edited by: Cowboy on 16/08/2005 07:27:20 Originally by: Grimpak get an ishkur hush your mouth you Go ahead people fly all the harpys and enyos you want they are great ships. Ishkurs are utter crapola and none should EVER fly them in solo pvp hunting ops Seriously, a good enyo pilot should take the harpy almost every time, unless {like others have pointed out) the harpy is running gisti or ew set ups. Rubbish. One of my corpmates killed TWO harpies at the same time with his Ishkur. Ishkur rocks :P no no no ishkurs are the crappiest AFs in game. Infact you folks that have a BPO should just hand it over to me. For the love of god people just escrow any ishukr with 4 med drones to me. All you other folks can continue flying those enyoyos and herpes
Don Dada	Posted - 2005.08.17 21:53:00 - [44] Is the Ishkur really that good ? What set up would you run for solo pvp ?

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