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Drake Doon
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Posted - 2005.08.14 22:13:00 -
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I placed a hangar array and didn't online it and didn't see any change in the attributes when I did online it...other than the pretty lights and crane worked.
And offline, I can store material in it
So, what's the reason for onlining a hangar if you can use it without having to spend the 100,000 MW?
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James Lyrus
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Posted - 2005.08.14 22:19:00 -
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 Originally by: Drake Doon
I placed a hangar array and didn't online it and didn't see any change in the attributes when I did online it...other than the pretty lights and crane worked.
And offline, I can store material in it
So, what's the reason for onlining a hangar if you can use it without having to spend the 100,000 MW?
Because otherwise you're exploiting a bug, and doing so knowingly and therefore can be banned?
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pshepherd
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Posted - 2005.08.14 22:19:00 -
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'apparently' a corp hanger which is only anchored 'might' lose stuff. But tbh its never happened to me and i've used multiple corp hangers.
just keep it offline, and reep the fuel rewards
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ReaperOfSly
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Posted - 2005.08.14 22:43:00 -
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If you leave it offline, you're going to lose all your stuff when CCP finally fix the bug. In fact, just to punish the evildoers, they will probably do it without warning. 
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Drake Doon
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Posted - 2005.08.14 23:16:00 -
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Crap...me an my big mouth. 
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Tenashi
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Posted - 2005.08.14 23:52:00 -
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implemented bug and passes QA during testing so it isn`t even a bug 
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Cannedbeef
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Posted - 2005.08.15 03:20:00 -
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then how do you run twin reactors? as is is now you have to use caldari...
Harvester -\
Silo --- Reactor1
Reactor 1--\
Silo --\
Silo --\
Silo ---- Reactor 2 -- Silo
1 Harvester: 500 cpu
5 Silos: 2500 cpu
Reactors 4500 cpu
works out to 7500 cpu even. Cant fit any EW or anything. corp hangar array MUST be offline.
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Cannedbeef
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Posted - 2005.08.15 03:21:00 -
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Purportedly it isnt a bug either, it was only meant to be online so it could link to factories and refineries, but they changed how POS's worked a long time ago. Why would a giant can need power and processing power? :-P
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James Lyrus
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Posted - 2005.08.15 10:05:00 -
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Originally by: Drake Doon
Edited by: Drake Doon on 14/08/2005 23:26:42
Edited by: Drake Doon on 14/08/2005 23:26:13
Crap...me and my big mouth.
Oh James, if my plan was to knowingly take advantage of this ęBUG,Ę think I'd have come here to air this very question?
Anyway, thanks for the info. 
Agreed. However, having asked the question, and having an answer, if you _now_ did it then you'd be doing so :)
I've heard lots of thingies that say it's not a bug, for various reasons - from GSCs use no power, to the onlining was intended for factory outputs, and a few others.
At the end of the day though, how many other POS modules function offline?
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Wild Rho
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Posted - 2005.08.16 02:51:00 -
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Can we get confirmation from somone if this really is a bug or a feature as it does sorta make sense that the hanger arrays don't really need power or cpu to run as its basically a giant shed.
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James Lyrus
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Posted - 2005.08.16 08:10:00 -
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Originally by: Wild Rho
Can we get confirmation from somone if this really is a bug or a feature as it does sorta make sense that the hanger arrays don't really need power or cpu to run as its basically a giant shed.
But that'd beg the question of 'why does it actually use power and CPU'. :)
I've put in a 'question' when I have a response, I'll summarize.
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PrankMaster
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Posted - 2005.08.16 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: ReaperOfSly
If you leave it offline, you're going to lose all your stuff when CCP finally fix the bug. In fact, just to punish the evildoers, they will probably do it without warning.
Mwoah, it looks like CCP doesn't mind fixing this 'bug', so it wouldn's make them look cool if they would throw away everyone's stuff after leaving this this way for such a long time. In fact, I think the bug is that they accidentally put in cpu/power requirements on the hangars [:lol: |
Loirin Engelk
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Posted - 2005.08.16 21:08:00 -
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A proposition:
Why not make it so that when the hangar is online you can move stuff from POS pieces even when they are far away (more than 1500m). That way POS owners wouldn't have to cram everything within a small cube of space and get stuck on it everytime they warp a bit too far...alternatively wouldn't have to travel for km to get things loaded or unloaded.
just a thought.
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Sobeseki Pawi
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Posted - 2005.08.16 21:31:00 -
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Originally by: Cannedbeef
then how do you run twin reactors? as is is now you have to use caldari...
Harvester -\
Silo --- Reactor1
Reactor 1--\
Silo --\
Silo --\
Silo ---- Reactor 2 -- Silo
1 Harvester: 500 cpu
5 Silos: 2500 cpu
Reactors 4500 cpu
works out to 7500 cpu even. Cant fit any EW or anything. corp hangar array MUST be offline.
Use less silos?
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Cannedbeef
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Posted - 2005.08.16 23:04:00 -
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Sobe -- how?
Every single silo is for input or output, not a single silo you can do away with.
Nanotransistors is a four part reaction.
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James Lyrus
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Posted - 2005.08.17 08:27:00 -
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Originally by: Cannedbeef
Sobe -- how?
Every single silo is for input or output, not a single silo you can do away with.
Nanotransistors is a four part reaction.
You can use coupling arrays...
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Bobby Wilson
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Posted - 2005.08.17 19:45:00 -
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1. Coupling arrays can now be filled and emptied just like tiny silos. Dunno when they changed this, but it's a nice thing especially to folks with Amarr towers.
2. Corp hangar arrays most logical fix would be that they either have no fitting requirements (as noted they're a big can) or if CCP wants to keep the requirements have them hold all the stuff when offline, but have a 30 minute onlining time and require them to be fully online to add or remove things from them.
BW
Originally by: Mistress D'Malice
POS outputs where fine...its the fuel that needed the help.
Originally by: Nyxus
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James Lyrus
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Posted - 2005.08.17 22:28:00 -
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I got a response. It's a bug, and it's due for fixing in an an upcoming patch.
Interpret that how you will.
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Bedrock
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Posted - 2005.08.17 23:22:00 -
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Way to go people. This topic was brought up to god damn often and now they are going to fix it... yay....
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James Lyrus
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Posted - 2005.08.18 09:05:00 -
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Originally by: Bedrock
Way to go people. This topic was brought up to god damn often and now they are going to fix it... yay....
If it's a bug, exploiting it is cheating. Regardless of whether those 'in charge' are aware of it's existance or not.
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ArchenTheGreat
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Posted - 2005.08.18 09:17:00 -
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Originally by: James Lyrus
If it's a bug, exploiting it is cheating. Regardless of whether those 'in charge' are aware of it's existance or not.
Below is an answer I got after petitioning this problem:
Thank you for reporting this to us. Whether this is a known issue, I don't know, but I will report it to the developers none the less. A bug report from you, a player that experienced this first hand, may help as well and would surely be appreciated: http://bugs.eve-online.com/newbugreport.asp
I don't think keeping it offline is considered to be an exploit as such but as you say, you may lose some items to it and if that happens, we will not be able to assist you.
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James Lyrus
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Posted - 2005.08.18 10:57:00 -
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Don't think you're allowed to post GM commentry on the forums.
Recommend you summarize.
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Calean
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Posted - 2005.08.18 11:13:00 -
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Originally by: James Lyrus
Originally by: Bedrock
Way to go people. This topic was brought up to god damn often and now they are going to fix it... yay....
If it's a bug, exploiting it is cheating. Regardless of whether those 'in charge' are aware of it's existance or not.
If it's a bug it should have been fixed way back when starbase structures were first introduced, it has been there for so long now that many people rely on the fact that you can use them offline so their POS setups hang together, especially for those using amarr towers.
Time to start anchoring secure containers. The fun never ends with a POS.
Calean
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Resin Kadir
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Posted - 2005.08.18 13:24:00 -
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Edited by: Resin Kadir on 18/08/2005 13:27:15
That kind of nerfs(had to edit) me off actually. A corp array should HAVE to be onlined to put anything in or take anything out thus requiring fuel. I've seen too many people take advantage of this and jsut stack arrays in thier POS to store ores and stuff and ships. Why does a ship maintenance array have to be online to refit mods and store ships? Worse, why doesn't your cap recharge automatically around a ship maintenance array like when docking at a station. Takes hours to refit a BS at a corp maintenance array.
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Cannedbeef
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Posted - 2005.08.18 17:39:00 -
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Originally by: James Lyrus
Originally by: Cannedbeef
Sobe -- how?
Every single silo is for input or output, not a single silo you can do away with.
Nanotransistors is a four part reaction.
You can use coupling arrays...
James, my boy, if I use coupling arrays, It hen have to empty the nanotransistors EVERY THREE HOURS or it overflows. I like to sleep, go outside, have a life... I cant be at my POS every 3 hours for that. On the other end of the spectrum, its a 15 hour gap. I sleep, I work, I cant be at the POS every 14 hours just to top off a coupling array.
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James Lyrus
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Posted - 2005.08.19 08:13:00 -
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Edited by: James Lyrus on 19/08/2005 08:18:23
Originally by: Cannedbeef
Originally by: James Lyrus
Originally by: Cannedbeef
Sobe -- how?
Every single silo is for input or output, not a single silo you can do away with.
Nanotransistors is a four part reaction.
You can use coupling arrays...
James, my boy, if I use coupling arrays, It hen have to empty the nanotransistors EVERY THREE HOURS or it overflows. I like to sleep, go outside, have a life... I cant be at my POS every 3 hours for that. On the other end of the spectrum, its a 15 hour gap. I sleep, I work, I cant be at the POS every 14 hours just to top off a coupling array.
14 hours to reload? Why not just chain 2 couplers then? That's 310 CPU, and 28 hours :). Throw in an alt parked at the station to reload, and you've a workable solution.
I'm not saying it's a _good_ idea, but if you will try and run a simple and a complex at the same tower, then surely extra effort is to be expected.
(Incidentally, this is what you _have_ to do if you're trying to run a simple reaction at a medium amarrian tower)
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Just Smith
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Posted - 2005.08.20 00:03:00 -
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it's fixed in the next patch
Corporate Hangar Arrays must be anchored and online to add and store anything inside.
with a few other small bugs fixed
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Sfynx
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Posted - 2005.08.20 00:11:00 -
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Edited by: Sfynx on 20/08/2005 00:15:53
Edited by: Sfynx on 20/08/2005 00:11:09
Originally by: Just Smith
it's fixed in the next patch
Corporate Hangar Arrays must be anchored and online to add and store anything inside.
with a few other small bugs fixed
Yeah, I just read it :( This even nerfs Starbase access control even more if that is not fixed in this patch as well, because now you also need Config Starbase Equipment for switching to another hangar to put ore in (for example the hauler of a mining op).
Edit: and I doubt a lot of POSes can have a lot of them online at the same time... Everyone has started to depend on this 'bug' really, it has been in for too long. Why not lower the cpu/grid requirements a bit, because it is only a big box floating in space with maybe a small computer detemining who has access |
James Lyrus
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Posted - 2005.08.20 00:36:00 -
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Originally by: Sfynx
Edited by: Sfynx on 20/08/2005 00:15:53
Edited by: Sfynx on 20/08/2005 00:11:09
Originally by: Just Smith
it's fixed in the next patch
Corporate Hangar Arrays must be anchored and online to add and store anything inside.
with a few other small bugs fixed
Yeah, I just read it :( This even nerfs Starbase access control even more if that is not fixed in this patch as well, because now you also need Config Starbase Equipment for switching to another hangar to put ore in (for example the hauler of a mining op).
Edit: and I doubt a lot of POSes can have a lot of them online at the same time... Everyone has started to depend on this 'bug' really, it has been in for too long. Why not lower the cpu/grid requirements a bit, because it is only a big box floating in space with maybe a small computer detemining who has access
... Everyone's been cheating for a long time now, you can't stop them from doing that surely? ...
Fah, yeah, it makes life vaguely less convenient for those that decided to abuse the fact that hangar arrays worked offline. If that's critical to your operations, well, it was going to happen sooner or later.
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Cannedbeef
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Posted - 2005.08.20 04:50:00 -
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Edited by: Cannedbeef on 20/08/2005 04:50:33
Vaguelly less convenient?
I enjoy having a life. This makes me pick between a POS or it.
Think im going to switch to a system of Iteron V's parked inside the forcefield, all it does is make things harder and more annoying for NO reason.
Im not servicing my ******* POS every <28 hours. Allready have to empty Nanotransistors every <52, and that sucks. **** off CCP.
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James Lyrus
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Posted - 2005.08.20 09:01:00 -
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Originally by: Cannedbeef
Edited by: Cannedbeef on 20/08/2005 04:50:33
Vaguelly less convenient?
I enjoy having a life. This makes me pick between a POS or it.
Think im going to switch to a system of Iteron V's parked inside the forcefield, all it does is make things harder and more annoying for NO reason.
Im not servicing my ******* POS every <28 hours. Allready have to empty Nanotransistors every <52, and that sucks. **** off CCP.
You're trying to fit a complex reaction and a simple on the same tower.
With two towers, a medium and a large, you'd be able to do the same thing with much less effort.
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Raivotar
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Posted - 2005.08.20 10:15:00 -
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Im little puzzled. CCP fixes obvious bug and there are people that start yelling that its nerf? I mean i dont get it. Also im amazed that people think POS should do everything automaticly without them being forced to reload/empty stuff.
Corporate hangar was bugged and CCP is fixing it. Thank you.
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Cannedbeef
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Posted - 2005.08.20 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: James Lyrus
Originally by: Cannedbeef
Edited by: Cannedbeef on 20/08/2005 04:50:33
Vaguelly less convenient?
I enjoy having a life. This makes me pick between a POS or it.
Think im going to switch to a system of Iteron V's parked inside the forcefield, all it does is make things harder and more annoying for NO reason.
Im not servicing my ******* POS every <28 hours. Allready have to empty Nanotransistors every <52, and that sucks. **** off CCP.
You're trying to fit a complex reaction and a simple on the same tower.
With two towers, a medium and a large, you'd be able to do the same thing with much less effort.
Also would increase costs to 150%, raising cost per nanotransistor by 157, and when nanos are selling for 1400... Thats cutting the margin down to VERY little. All because a giant secure can (Corp Hangar) Needs to be onlined. I will be using parked Iteron V's and Secure Cans inside the forcefield from now on I think.. just means I will have to hit the station in system twice per silo every time I try to empty it or fill it (6 silo's). Thats a ridiculous amount of extra work, requiring an extra 12 docks/warps to POS.
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Johnathan Roark
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Posted - 2005.08.22 03:12:00 -
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Originally by: Raivotar
Edited by: Raivotar on 20/08/2005 10:58:39
Im little puzzled. CCP fixes obvious bug and there are people that start yelling that its nerf? I mean i dont get it. As this thread alone has showed that there are many many people exploiting this. Also im amazed that people think POS should do everything automaticly without them being forced to reload/empty stuff.
Corporate hangar was bugged and CCP is fixing it. Thank you.
There are other things in eve that have been arround since the begining that where considered bugs but are now standard practice, id be very suprized if you have not used some yourself. I will not mention them here for fear ccp will deside they need to be fixed after 2 years.
I think it would be resonable if CCP would reduce the fitting cost and raise the space they can hold.
Quantum Industries
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James Lyrus
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Posted - 2005.08.22 21:27:00 -
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Originally by: Johnathan Roark
Originally by: Raivotar
Edited by: Raivotar on 20/08/2005 10:58:39
Im little puzzled. CCP fixes obvious bug and there are people that start yelling that its nerf? I mean i dont get it. As this thread alone has showed that there are many many people exploiting this. Also im amazed that people think POS should do everything automaticly without them being forced to reload/empty stuff.
Corporate hangar was bugged and CCP is fixing it. Thank you.
There are other things in eve that have been arround since the begining that where considered bugs but are now standard practice, id be very suprized if you have not used some yourself. I will not mention them here for fear ccp will deside they need to be fixed after 2 years.
I think it would be resonable if CCP would reduce the fitting cost and raise the space they can hold.
It's a bug, but everyone exploits it, so it must be ok?
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Tourix
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Posted - 2005.08.23 11:13:00 -
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Edited by: Tourix on 23/08/2005 11:13:20
Check Patch Note Build 3560 :
Quote:
Player Owned Structures, Starbases and Outpost
[list=Corporate Hangar Array must be anchored and online to add items to its storage.][/list=Corporate Hangar Array must be anchored and online to add items to its storage.]
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Stepping Razor
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Posted - 2005.08.23 16:41:00 -
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They needed to be fixed, but the need for CPU should be removed. It's already impossible to fit one on an Amarr L CT while it's doing a complex reaction, and the Amarr M tower OFC is the only racial tower that can't even run a simple without depending on coupling arrays.
Just make it demand a decent ammount of grid. That'll stop people from stacking 20 of them at their POS.
Razor
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Effei Gloom
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Posted - 2005.08.23 22:16:00 -
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Edited by: Effei Gloom on 23/08/2005 22:17:36
Does CCP really want us to have 20-30 giant conti floating inside FF to have ammu supply so long corp hangars are offline?
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Drake Doon
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Posted - 2005.08.23 23:12:00 -
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Wow! Good discussion.
It seems they did try to address it in the recent patch - but missed by that much (any Get Smart fans out there?).
Think I'll play it safe for now and online the damn thing.
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Grash Freedom
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Posted - 2005.10.29 06:20:00 -
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Edited by: Grash Freedom on 29/10/2005 06:22:43
Originally by: Cannedbeef
then how do you run twin reactors? as is is now you have to use caldari...
Harvester -\
Silo --- Reactor1
Reactor 1--\
Silo --\
Silo --\
Silo ---- Reactor 2 -- Silo
1 Harvester: 500 cpu
5 Silos: 2500 cpu
Reactors 4500 cpu
works out to 7500 cpu even. Cant fit any EW or anything. corp hangar array MUST be offline.
Well i have drawn for you a better chart
harvester -\
C.Array--C.Array ---Reactor1
Reactor1 -\
C.Array--C.Array -\
C.Array--C.Array -\
C.Array--C.Array ---Reactor2---Silo--Silo
A)
8*C.Arrays+2Silo 2240
2*Reactors 4500
Moon Harvester 500
Corporate Hangar +155
=7395
or
B)
8*C.Arrays+1*Silo 1740
2*Reactors 4500
Moon Harvester 500
2*Corporate Hangar +310
=7050
and you have cpu for ew and missiles
you can have 1 corporate hangars 200000m3 space without exploiting any bug and you have more space for the nanos,restock every 2 days
i suggest this chart because anyways you have to empty the last silo every day with your chart
so now with my suggestion all you have to do is go there every 2 days
i hope it's correct :)
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2005.10.29 07:47:00 -
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Originally by: Cannedbeef
Allready have to empty Nanotransistors every <52, and that sucks.
That's your fault, not CCP's. Come up with a better production line. In any event, you don't *HAVE* to do anything in EVE. You don't like running a POS, go do something else. Just quit whining and swearing about it here.
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