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Domineren Rebirth. TW0 INCH TERROR 18	Posted - 2013.03.14 11:33:00 - [61] - Quote I'm mining in heh right now...I'm that yellow colored guy with a skull sitting outside station...I need "redemption" please shoot me Senn Denroth - Highsec PVP is only for the elite of the elite.... I LOVE DODIXIE <3
Vin King State War Academy Caldari State 81	Posted - 2013.03.14 12:21:00 - [62] - Quote Tara Read wrote: Vin King wrote: Tara Read wrote: You are ******** plain and simple. Eve is a sandbox why should you dictate how or what a player does if it seems enjoyable? Your explanation just shows us all you want are easy kills. By that same logic, what problem is there with someone finding enforcement of the Code enjoyable? Code? You mean killing miners then bragging about it on a forum dedicated to Mercenaries, Pirates etc? Nothing except no one is impressed in the least and chasing a miner who "smacked" you just proves how pathetic your efforts are. You fail to see the obvious fallacies in your argument, which is sad. It sounds like you should have purchased a mining permit. 315 4 CSM 8
Ustrello Amok. Goonswarm Federation 93	Posted - 2013.03.14 12:30:00 - [63] - Quote Vin King wrote: Tara Read wrote: Vin King wrote: Tara Read wrote: You are ******** plain and simple. Eve is a sandbox why should you dictate how or what a player does if it seems enjoyable? Your explanation just shows us all you want are easy kills. By that same logic, what problem is there with someone finding enforcement of the Code enjoyable? Code? You mean killing miners then bragging about it on a forum dedicated to Mercenaries, Pirates etc? Nothing except no one is impressed in the least and chasing a miner who "smacked" you just proves how pathetic your efforts are. You fail to see the obvious fallacies in your argument, which is sad. It sounds like you should have purchased a mining permit. I don't think his kind gets logic
Ylariana School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 2	Posted - 2013.03.14 14:11:00 - [64] - Quote so by " Obliterating bot aspirant players makes it harder for real bbots to hide. Real miners warp out when D-scan shows Catalysts coming. Actual new players cannot afford mining barges and if ISK is their goal they should be doing PVE and salvaging which is where the money is for destroyer pilots."..... what you actually mean is.... " play the game the way we tell you to or we will harass the devil out of you because we like to bully people and will use any excuse that comes to hand to do so, while at the same time deluding ourselves into thinking that we are actually nice people doing something worthwhile" ...... I thought I left this kind of childish bullocks behind when I left primary school ...... guess I was wrong.
Ustrello Amok. Goonswarm Federation 93	Posted - 2013.03.14 14:23:00 - [65] - Quote Ylariana wrote: so by " Obliterating bot aspirant players makes it harder for real bbots to hide. Real miners warp out when D-scan shows Catalysts coming. Actual new players cannot afford mining barges and if ISK is their goal they should be doing PVE and salvaging which is where the money is for destroyer pilots."..... what you actually mean is.... " play the game the way we tell you to or we will harass the devil out of you because we like to bully people and will use any excuse that comes to hand to do so, while at the same time deluding ourselves into thinking that we are actually nice people doing something worthwhile" ...... I thought I left this kind of childish bullocks behind when I left primary school ...... guess I was wrong. Play the game we want to and stop ganking or we will whine to have it nerfed and be given a barge buff. And when we refuse to fit a tank we will still whine
Vin King State War Academy Caldari State 81	Posted - 2013.03.14 14:43:00 - [66] - Quote Ylariana wrote: so by " Obliterating bot aspirant players makes it harder for real bbots to hide. Real miners warp out when D-scan shows Catalysts coming. Actual new players cannot afford mining barges and if ISK is their goal they should be doing PVE and salvaging which is where the money is for destroyer pilots."..... what you actually mean is.... " play the game the way we tell you to or we will harass the devil out of you because we like to bully people and will use any excuse that comes to hand to do so, while at the same time deluding ourselves into thinking that we are actually nice people doing something worthwhile" ...... I thought I left this kind of childish bullocks behind when I left primary school ...... guess I was wrong. No, what we really mean is that the idea that you can play the game you want to (without any sort of interaction from any other players) is completely impossible, and that the way we want to play (where players are free to interact with each other at will) is the core design of the game. If someone wants to complain that the game is a sandbox and that people should be able to do what they want because it is enjoyable, that would apply to the miner as well as the ganker. The New Order simply ensures that everyone has equal treatment under the umbrella of free will. If you thought you left the "childish bullocks" of free will and self determination behind you, then you need to understand that free will and self determination are an essential part of being human. It is what allows us to build our empires, create miracles of technology, and praise the Saviour of HighSec on a daily basis. Indeed, based on your arguments, he should additionally have the title of Champion of Liberty. 315 4 CSM 8
Gix Firebrand Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo 0	Posted - 2013.03.15 08:41:00 - [67] - Quote Ah the tears in this thread. So lovely. EVE is the greatest thing since 1999 UO. And if you know what that means, you entirely get what the NO is doing. The RP, the grief, and the lols are so worth it. I've been MMO gaming a long time. EVE to me is what MMOs should be. Risk VS Reward. Rewarding people for thinking and using their brain aganist the hardest opponent in the game, other people. I applaud you James315. You follow in the footsteps of all those who made UO great. Just google UO grief stories or some such for some old school lulz. For the people crying about getting ganked or this ruining the game, the devs provide all the tools you need to avoid it. Hell, the F10 button alone can give you so much meta information its almost unfair.
TheGunslinger42 All Web Investigations 1080	Posted - 2013.03.15 08:45:00 - [68] - Quote Tara Read wrote: You are ******** plain and simple. Eve is a sandbox why should you dictate how or what a player does if it seems enjoyable? Your explanation just shows us all you want are easy kills. And if we want to blow up afk miners in highsec who are you to try and dictate whether or not we should be allowed to? Honestly, the immense hypocrisy of people like you astounds me.
Mike Adoulin Trans-Aerospace Industries 193	Posted - 2013.03.15 12:13:00 - [69] - Quote Apparently the carebears missed the memo. Listen up, idots. This is EVE Online. EVE Online is a sandbox non-consensual PVP spaceship interwebz game. 'Non-consensual' means I do not need your permission, approval, or anything else, for that matter, if I choose to shoot your shiny spaceship. The GM's say this is acceptable behavior. If you don't like it, either fight back, learn to fight back (its very easy), learn to hide, or go play another game more suitable to your playiing style. I hear Star Trek Online is all the rage these days, you can play that game and never, ever talk/interact/deal with an actual human being. Mr.James 315 has made it very easy for you to fight him. He WANTS you to fight him. Form fleets. Wardec away. Burn his ships, guard your mining buddies, have scouts watch his operatives. Lay traps. Hire actual mercs. Pop his pod. Taste the goo. All the tools you need are here, in the game, already. So either go grief him, or STFU and go back to World Of Warcraft. Hell.....you morons only outnumber him about 1000 to one.
Emperor Crash Zues Guns N'Ore AL3XAND3R. 6	Posted - 2013.03.15 12:29:00 - [70] - Quote Estella Osoka wrote: Hoping to see the NO go down to Syndicate Nullsec moar often! Pretty sure the corps and alliances down there would like moar targets! Yes please come on down to Syndicate nullsec. Feed us more. Lol we'll even have a welcome party for you. If you make it to where I am in syndicate space I'll give you an antimatter charge medal
Chester Floyd Balkan Xpress Talocan United 16	Posted - 2013.03.15 12:44:00 - [71] - Quote Vin King wrote: As a player who joined as a result of the New Order, I can tell you very new players don't fly Macks or Orcas Not even close. I can also tell you that if someone unsubs as a result of the actions of the Order, it's okay because others sub as a result of the actions of the Order. Some of these arguments are old, some are comical. I especially liked the ....... Quotes like these almost make "james" posts worth reading. Other than that, be a responsible grown up, read the fooking sign infront of the cage and dont feed the the leprechauns
Strepor State War Academy Caldari State 1	Posted - 2013.03.15 14:13:00 - [72] - Quote Gix Firebrand wrote: Ah the tears in this thread. So lovely. EVE is the greatest thing since 1999 UO. And if you know what that means, you entirely get what the NO is doing. The RP, the grief, and the lols are so worth it. I've been MMO gaming a long time. EVE to me is what MMOs should be. Risk VS Reward. Rewarding people for thinking and using their brain aganist the hardest opponent in the game, other people. I applaud you James315. You follow in the footsteps of all those who made UO great. Just google UO grief stories or some such for some old school lulz. For the people crying about getting ganked or this ruining the game, the devs provide all the tools you need to avoid it. Hell, the F10 button alone can give you so much meta information its almost unfair. And the miners and carebears would have EVE split into Felluca, and Trammel......because that worked out so swell for UO.
Gix Firebrand Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo 0	Posted - 2013.03.15 17:38:00 - [73] - Quote [/quote] And the miners and carebears would have EVE split into Felluca, and Trammel......because that worked out so swell for UO.[/quote] Amen to that. I quit pretty much after Trammel. The game lost all its risk and feeling of actual danger. If they did that to EVE, I'd quit too.
Bing Bangboom Ded End Damage Inc. 169	Posted - 2013.03.15 17:51:00 - [74] - Quote Gix Firebrand wrote: Amen to that. I quit pretty much after Trammel. The game lost all its risk and feeling of actual danger. If they did that to EVE, I'd quit too. What? No danger?!?! What about when you heard an Ettin roar off screen? Oh no! Here he comes! Wait, he's stuck on a bush. Bing
Michael Heineken The Black Hand Movement 7	Posted - 2013.03.16 18:39:00 - [75] - Quote culo duro wrote: Sabriz Adoudel wrote: Tara Read wrote: Sabriz Adoudel wrote: Don't think you can defy the law and run away. And James 315 is the law. A particularly non-compliant miner who has trashtalked the NO on multiple occasions was observed to have moved to Syndicate non-sovereign nullsec. I took a small fleet of NO supporters out to deliver justice and the purifying flames of Navy Antimatter to the escape capsule. Whilst this miner escaped and hid in a station for over two hours, I am pleased to report that the NO has now established that it can and will hunt those that defile icefields without a permit to the edges of known space and beyond. They can expect further visits and - just like Empire 315 operations, there will be no warning other than a spike on D-scan before their hull melts away, their capsule is cracked open and their tasty, tasty implants are feasted upon. I've also applied to join his corp with an AWOX alt. The moral to this story: Buy your permit. Why is this even a thread? You chased some miner who smack talked you, bawww'd to the point to where you say some generic mining killer t00n is now "law" (which is equally laughable because in Null and Low there is NO law), and you brag openly about "infiltrating" his corp on an AWOX alt which is pretty stupid making it public on a forum no less. And don't sit here and say you are purging botters for griefing people who give you the bird. There's a damn report button for a reason. Also looking at his BC I see not ONE relative combat ship kill. All mining hulls. Please.... come back when you stop popping mackinaw's and start doing something useful... Pathetic. Popping Mackinaws and Orcas is a service to the EVE community. However if you looked at my personal killbard you wil see primarily fights against combat ships, including several solo kills of ships considerably more valuable than I fielded. As well as losses where I've walked right into someone's trap like that damn Astarte in Decon. But coordinating the removal of the carebear menace from EVE is my important work. If you're going to remove every single carebear of eve you're gonna have a bad time. Also may find a lower availability of ships on the market with so few mining ships around to.... oh my goodness mine ore to build ships for you to use. How selfish of them! /sarcasm
Norm Tempesta The Konvergent League Sev3rance 25	Posted - 2013.03.17 23:16:00 - [76] - Quote Sabriz Adoudel wrote: Dasia Kairi wrote: Rprprp? Hmm, on 2nd thought they couldn't be THAT dense, maybe they actually hate the game & want EVE to go under. Or they're the ones engaging in "market PvP" & are getting poor dumb slobs to help them drive up mineral prices. The thought of them secretly being traders & unwittingly prodding dimwits into making them shittons of isk makes me giggle like a pack of middle school girls at a "Twilight" movie premiere. I have seen several people drawn to EVE by the player-created stories like the New Order, the Guiding Hand Social Club and the Asakai battle. I'm yet to see one person subscribe because they think EVE's mining interface is exciting. How is using some fancy words to cover up what amounts to nothing more than bullying and extortion considered to be some player-created 'story' or any type of real roleplay?
Mike Adoulin Trans-Aerospace Industries 194	Posted - 2013.03.17 23:44:00 - [77] - Quote Norm Tempesta wrote: How is using some fancy words to cover up what amounts to nothing more than bullying and extortion considered to be some player-created 'story' or any type of real roleplay? Welcome to EVE. Never been in lowsec have ya?
Sabriz Adoudel Resurgent Threat 124	Posted - 2013.03.18 00:23:00 - [78] - Quote Norm Tempesta wrote: How is using some fancy words to cover up what amounts to nothing more than bullying and extortion considered to be some player-created 'story' or any type of real roleplay? It is extortion. But it is in no way bullying, any more than it is bullying when I sit down for a game of chess and capture my opponent's bishop. Bullying is when people respond to losing a ship with accusations that the attacker is a real-life child molester. '... you cannot reason with the mining bots, you cannot negotiate with them, you can only bring them judgement in the form of Navy Antimatter, turn their Mackinaws to salvage and dust, smartbomb their pods, and burn their Mining Link implants with sweet incense...'- The Gospel according to St James 315
Hazzim The Scope Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.03.18 03:08:00 - [79] - Quote So far proponents of New Order's policy to maintain sandbox theme reverts to the basic real life "there is a risk to reward". I would consider that incomplete as a whole. "risk comes reward or consequences". Advocates of upping the risk for high-sec dwellers to maintain the theme one must also see the ability of players to become "villains" through the act of robbery, extortion or other criminal activity. Like the former who contends with risk the latter must contend with consequences. High-sec is not null-sec, it has its own police force or militia which distributes justice accordingly. My point is, to raise the risk we must raise the consequences. I would recommend temporary persona non-grata on individual empires by "capsuleer podding by npc" as a consequence. Wants real life sand box, gets real life rules. Real life the ultimate sand box.
Lin Suizei 115	Posted - 2013.03.18 03:24:00 - [80] - Quote Hazzim wrote: Wants real life sand box, gets real life rules. Real life the ultimate sand box. EVE is real, I was there. PS. Tornado alts can be done with <900k SP - concord can pod away, couldn't care less. Xeros S* > are you really suprised? im not here to pvp so why the fuc not Xeros S > oh go cry somewhere else, im not in fw for the **** pvp Welcome to faction war.
Hazzim The Scope Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.03.18 04:28:00 - [81] - Quote Lin Suizei wrote: Hazzim wrote: Wants real life sand box, gets real life rules. Real life the ultimate sand box. EVE is real, I was there. PS. Tornado alts can be done with <900k SP - concord can pod away, couldn't care less. What i meant by that was a persona-non grata would not be allowed to enter specific empire space without getting podded at the first sign of Concord and empire navies albeit temporarily similar to a jail sentence. Cant leave station without getting podded, cant enter empire space without getting podded That I think you would care.
Lainalil The Double Rainbow Butterflies The BEA's - Unintended Consequences 3	Posted - 2013.03.18 05:02:00 - [82] - Quote Long reaching? Suicide ganking has been a thing for as long as I've been playing and it's nothing new even with some 'cause' behind it. In fact, suicide ganking bots existed long, LONG before I even started playing. Your 'group' and 'savior' may be the most stupid notion I've ever heard in Eve. "Mining permits" oh, because this is new, too. Maybe you are far reaching, perhaps you've changed the price of mackinaws across all of empire space by about 150isk. YOU HAVE CHANGED EMPIRE SPACE! Actually, this is dubious. I have friends in several of the largest highsec mining and industry alliances and I have to be honest, half of them have never heard of you and the other half have had no interference by you. You seem to be failing pretty hard at scaring highsec. Congratulations! Now, come at me bro.
Lady Areola Fappington New Order Logistics CODE. 72	Posted - 2013.03.18 05:17:00 - [83] - Quote Lainalil wrote: Long reaching? Suicide ganking has been a thing for as long as I've been playing and it's nothing new even with some 'cause' behind it. In fact, suicide ganking bots existed long, LONG before I even started playing. Your 'group' and 'savior' may be the most stupid notion I've ever heard in Eve. "Mining permits" oh, because this is new, too. Maybe you are far reaching, perhaps you've changed the price of mackinaws across all of empire space by about 150isk. YOU HAVE CHANGED EMPIRE SPACE! Actually, this is dubious. I have friends in several of the largest highsec mining and industry alliances and I have to be honest, half of them have never heard of you and the other half have had no interference by you. You seem to be failing pretty hard at scaring highsec. Congratulations! Now, come at me bro. We are so very not important that you decided to come post in this thread. A free bump, too! Please make sure your "Friends in several of the largest highsec mining and industry alliances" pick up permits. It would be a shame if they got ganked, when you could have helped prevent it! 315 4 CSM8!
Lin Suizei 115	Posted - 2013.03.18 06:27:00 - [84] - Quote Hazzim wrote: What i meant by that was a persona-non grata would not be allowed to enter specific empire space without getting podded at the first sign of Concord and empire navies albeit temporarily similar to a jail sentence. Cant leave station without getting podded, cant enter empire space without getting podded That I think you would care. Protip - mechanical restrictions for people you don't like don't work for long, mostly because we're pretty quick to adapt - in this case, I'd cycle between 3-4 tornado alts to constantly gank people who reject the sandbox, while the others waited out their "jail time" and one or two went to friendly space to grind sec status/some spare change for ammo and magstabs. Xeros S* > are you really suprised? im not here to pvp so why the fuc not Xeros S > oh go cry somewhere else, im not in fw for the **** pvp Welcome to faction war.
Lin Suizei 115	Posted - 2013.03.18 06:57:00 - [85] - Quote Lainalil wrote: Maybe you are far reaching, perhaps you've changed the price of mackinaws across all of empire space by about 150isk. YOU HAVE CHANGED EMPIRE SPACE! Follow our Knights for a while, and see for yourself the changes we have wrought. Once-dead ice-mining "hotspots" spring to life at our approach - listless Mackinaws now replaced by piloted Skiffs, a throng of now-familiar hangers-on circling the ice field in their vulture ships, the vaults of CONCORD littered with the biomass of dozens of bot-aspirants, and Local chat lively with heated debate about a single subject - the Code, and the Order which enforces it. In a handful of systems alone, we have achieved more than your "mining and industry" alliances will ever hope to achieve - can you imagine, how much more we will do, when our vigilant gaze extends over all Highsec? Xeros S* > are you really suprised? im not here to pvp so why the fuc not Xeros S > oh go cry somewhere else, im not in fw for the **** pvp Welcome to faction war.
Hazzim The Scope Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.03.18 07:16:00 - [86] - Quote Lin Suizei wrote: Hazzim wrote: What i meant by that was a persona-non grata would not be allowed to enter specific empire space without getting podded at the first sign of Concord and empire navies albeit temporarily similar to a jail sentence. Cant leave station without getting podded, cant enter empire space without getting podded That I think you would care. Protip - mechanical restrictions for people you don't like don't work for long, mostly because we're pretty quick to adapt - in this case, I'd cycle between 3-4 tornado alts to constantly gank people who reject the sandbox, while the others waited out their "jail time" and one or two went to friendly space to grind sec status/some spare change for ammo and magstabs. I see the restriction to allow breathing room for high-sec players. That is if increasing risk is implemented for high-sec players. And what if the restriction was a week's worth or more depending on the severity of the risk you took? say 20 days off from entering empire space. I suppose you would adapt with 10 or more alts.Then with my the love i bear for ingame "criminals" sub 10 accounts So you risk it shall you ripe the consequences. That's all I am saying. Making high-sec players pay for what they earn should also include the consequences on the risk gankers take. Just as null-sec, game mechanics allow for restriction placed by players on those they dont like. High-sec game mechanics should allow a measure of security and justice players hence the name high-security. Unless you prefer EVE turn into an Open ended PVP MMO.
Lady Areola Fappington New Order Logistics CODE. 72	Posted - 2013.03.18 08:00:00 - [87] - Quote Hazzim wrote: [quote=Lin Suizei][quote=Hazzim] I see the restriction to allow breathing room for high-sec players. That is if increasing risk is implemented for high-sec players. And what if the restriction was a week's worth or more depending on the severity of the risk you took? say 20 days off from entering empire space. I suppose you would adapt with 10 or more alts.Then with my the love i bear for ingame "criminals" sub 10 accounts So you risk it shall you ripe the consequences. That's all I am saying. Making high-sec players pay for what they earn should also include the consequences on the risk gankers take. Just as null-sec, game mechanics allow for restriction placed by players on those they dont like. High-sec game mechanics should allow a measure of security and justice players hence the name high-security. Unless you prefer EVE turn into an Open ended PVP MMO. CCP will not put in mechanical restrictions on travel. It goes against one of the core aspects of the game, everyone can access any part of the universe. Gankers do pay for their negative sec status. Outlaws can be shot anywhere, and are chased by facpo. If you want "restriction placed by players on those they don't like", you have to work for it, just like nullsec alliances do. Stop crying to Someone Else (CCP) to fix it, train some combat skills, and get rid of the bad people. You have exactly the same tools we do to pull it off. You may not have noticed, but Eve IS an Open ended PVP MMO. We call it The Sandbox. 315 4 CSM8!
Gix Firebrand Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo 1	Posted - 2013.03.18 08:21:00 - [88] - Quote Hazzim wrote: Lin Suizei wrote: Hazzim wrote: What i meant by that was a persona-non grata would not be allowed to enter specific empire space without getting podded at the first sign of Concord and empire navies albeit temporarily similar to a jail sentence. Cant leave station without getting podded, cant enter empire space without getting podded That I think you would care. Protip - mechanical restrictions for people you don't like don't work for long, mostly because we're pretty quick to adapt - in this case, I'd cycle between 3-4 tornado alts to constantly gank people who reject the sandbox, while the others waited out their "jail time" and one or two went to friendly space to grind sec status/some spare change for ammo and magstabs. I see the restriction to allow breathing room for high-sec players. That is if increasing risk is implemented for high-sec players. And what if the restriction was a week's worth or more depending on the severity of the risk you took? say 20 days off from entering empire space. I suppose you would adapt with 10 or more alts.Then with my the love i bear for ingame "criminals" sub 10 accounts So you risk it shall you ripe the consequences. That's all I am saying. Making high-sec players pay for what they earn should also include the consequences on the risk gankers take. Just as null-sec, game mechanics allow for restriction placed by players on those they dont like. High-sec game mechanics should allow a measure of security and justice players hence the name high-security. Unless you prefer EVE turn into an Open ended PVP MMO. People like you ruin games like this. You have all the tools you need to avoid ever being ganked. Foremost being your ability to think and reason. Why would the devs implement such restrictions when you have a ton that can help you? My advice would be stop crying and learn how to use d-scan, local and F10. Hell, local alone is such a huge advantage. Imagine if there was no local :P.
Lainalil The Double Rainbow Butterflies The BEA's - Unintended Consequences 3	Posted - 2013.03.18 08:59:00 - [89] - Quote Lady Areola Fappington wrote: Lainalil wrote: Long reaching? Suicide ganking has been a thing for as long as I've been playing and it's nothing new even with some 'cause' behind it. In fact, suicide ganking bots existed long, LONG before I even started playing. Your 'group' and 'savior' may be the most stupid notion I've ever heard in Eve. "Mining permits" oh, because this is new, too. Maybe you are far reaching, perhaps you've changed the price of mackinaws across all of empire space by about 150isk. YOU HAVE CHANGED EMPIRE SPACE! Actually, this is dubious. I have friends in several of the largest highsec mining and industry alliances and I have to be honest, half of them have never heard of you and the other half have had no interference by you. You seem to be failing pretty hard at scaring highsec. Congratulations! Now, come at me bro. We are so very not important that you decided to come post in this thread. A free bump, too! Please make sure your "Friends in several of the largest highsec mining and industry alliances" pick up permits. It would be a shame if they got ganked, when you could have helped prevent it! I posted because I enjoy the drama. I will also post on a thread that was called "omg I'm so fat" but that doesn't give validity to their claim. Fly safe, or not, I don't care :).
Hazzim The Scope Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.03.18 12:06:00 - [90] - Quote Lady Areola Fappington wrote: Hazzim wrote: [quote=Lin Suizei][quote=Hazzim] I see the restriction to allow breathing room for high-sec players. That is if increasing risk is implemented for high-sec players. And what if the restriction was a week's worth or more depending on the severity of the risk you took? say 20 days off from entering empire space. I suppose you would adapt with 10 or more alts.Then with my the love i bear for ingame "criminals" sub 10 accounts So you risk it shall you ripe the consequences. That's all I am saying. Making high-sec players pay for what they earn should also include the consequences on the risk gankers take. Just as null-sec, game mechanics allow for restriction placed by players on those they dont like. High-sec game mechanics should allow a measure of security and justice players hence the name high-security. Unless you prefer EVE turn into an Open ended PVP MMO. CCP will not put in mechanical restrictions on travel. It goes against one of the core aspects of the game, everyone can access any part of the universe. Gankers do pay for their negative sec status. Outlaws can be shot anywhere, and are chased by facpo. If you want "restriction placed by players on those they don't like", you have to work for it, just like nullsec alliances do. Stop crying to Someone Else (CCP) to fix it, train some combat skills, and get rid of the bad people. You have exactly the same tools we do to pull it off. You may not have noticed, but Eve IS an Open ended PVP MMO. We call it The Sandbox. EVE has its limit interns of sandbox. If it was open ended there wouldn't be a high-sec. CCP puts in place a secure space to ensure compatibility too all players of different interpretation. Safety over adventure and vice-versa. If we were to consider crying over things, I would look to null-sec or opponents of high-sec pilots. Crying out how high-sec is generating too much isk. Safe to say game mechanics allows that to happen, and your ability to negate that effect pisses you off and turn to CCP for game mechanics to be change to ensure null-sec dominance. As I have clearly stated my point. Your advocation of increased risk to reward in high-sec is commendable. But you must realize risk to consequences must be proportional as the latter. Temporary travel restriction thats all I ask. My views are of a pilot who has done pretty much everything except criminal activities. It's nice to debate until a label appears.

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