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Saladin
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Posted - 2005.08.18 18:56:00 -
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Edited by: Saladin on 18/08/2005 18:56:47
Edited by: Saladin on 18/08/2005 18:56:17
I'm sure the vets remember this, but there was a time when the scorpion and other caldari ships were not the heaviest or least agile in the game. The devs came in one patch (think it was castor) and added a ton of mass to caldari ships. The justification given was the high number of medium slots (tanking +ecm) and the versatility of missles.
Now that shield tanking has been balanced by nerfing the cap power relay (don't mention PDUII, the two just dont compare), ECM has limited range and is chance based, Scanning resolution is low, Missles have been balanced...etc.
Isn't it time that the Scorpion along with other caldari ships have their mass changed back to what they were used to? Enough of the lame explainations like "its a graphics bug - the scorpion is actually much larger than an apoc". The Caldari have been balanced, time to remove the intermediate nerfs that came in previous patches because they are no longer justified.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2005.08.18 18:58:00 -
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all true :D
as far as i know, the only idea to make caldari ships faster and lighter is the MK2 condor being quite a bit faster and lighter
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Liu Kaskakka
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Posted - 2005.08.18 18:58:00 -
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Eventhough I don't fly caldari BS these days, I'd have to agree with this.
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Stuart85
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Posted - 2005.08.18 19:49:00 -
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And considering Caldari ships have less armour and exclusively shield tank, it doesn't make much sense that they would be the least agile. They should be second only to Minmatar in speed, mass and agility.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2005.08.18 19:51:00 -
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Good point original poster.
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ELECTR0FREAK
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Posted - 2005.08.18 20:11:00 -
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Indeed. I think its hilarious that a Caracal has more "mass" than a Maller...
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JoCool
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Posted - 2005.08.18 20:14:00 -
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Oh yes, please revert the changes. They may not be necessary anymore and make flying Caldari ships simply more fun again.
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slothe
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Posted - 2005.08.18 20:15:00 -
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Blackbird with mwd used to be insane lol
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Rexthor Hammerfists
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Posted - 2005.08.18 20:21:00 -
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back in the days..
id like not to have to fit nanos on my scorp so im not always missing the gank ;)
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.08.18 20:30:00 -
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"Blackbird with mwd used to be insane lol"
What slothe said ;.;
(okay so it was bugged, but that was about the best fun you'd have in game.. like flying a really big and strangely shaped frigate ;p~
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Donna Darko
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Posted - 2005.08.18 20:44:00 -
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Man, I'd love to see my ships of choice faster...
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Nafri
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Posted - 2005.08.18 20:46:00 -
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 Originally by: j0sephine
"Blackbird with mwd used to be insane lol"
What slothe said ;.;
(okay so it was bugged, but that was about the best fun you'd have in game.. like flying a really big and strangely shaped frigate ;p~
yeah, good old naginata times 
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Meridius
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Posted - 2005.08.18 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: ELECTR0FREAK
Indeed. I think its hilarious that a Caracal has more "mass" than a Maller...
Have you seen how big a Caracal is compared to a Maller...
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Calian
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Posted - 2005.08.18 20:52:00 -
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Originally by: Meridius
Originally by: ELECTR0FREAK
Indeed. I think its hilarious that a Caracal has more "mass" than a Maller...
Have you seen how big a Caracal is compared to a Maller...
That's like saying a big balloon has a lot of mass cause it's big. The caracal is all air and little spindly parts.
This sounds like a good idea though, I wasn't aware of the nerf they gave awhile back since I wasn't playing then, but it sounds justified that they'd reverse it considering the reasons they gave back then for the change.
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ELECTR0FREAK
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Posted - 2005.08.18 20:54:00 -
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Edited by: ELECTR0FREAK on 18/08/2005 20:56:02
Originally by: Meridius
Originally by: ELECTR0FREAK
Indeed. I think its hilarious that a Caracal has more "mass" than a Maller...
Have you seen how big a Caracal is compared to a Maller...
... The Maller is a heavily armored ship with a design that indicates a lot of internal volume. The Caracal is a stick with arms.
Man... this also reminds me of how agile the Blackbird used to be back in the day... I miss that. 
-Electrofreak
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Randay
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Posted - 2005.08.18 21:47:00 -
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Originally by: Saladin
Edited by: Saladin on 18/08/2005 18:56:47
Edited by: Saladin on 18/08/2005 18:56:17
I'm sure the vets remember this, but there was a time when the scorpion and other caldari ships were not the heaviest or least agile in the game. The devs came in one patch (think it was castor) and added a ton of mass to caldari ships. The justification given was the high number of medium slots (tanking +ecm) and the versatility of missles.
Now that shield tanking has been balanced by nerfing the cap power relay (don't mention PDUII, the two just dont compare), ECM has limited range and is chance based, Scanning resolution is low, Missles have been balanced...etc.
Isn't it time that the Scorpion along with other caldari ships have their mass changed back to what they were used to? Enough of the lame explainations like "its a graphics bug - the scorpion is actually much larger than an apoc". The Caldari have been balanced, time to remove the intermediate nerfs that came in previous patches because they are no longer justified.
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Wrayeth
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Posted - 2005.08.18 21:55:00 -
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/signed
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2005.08.18 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: Meridius
Originally by: ELECTR0FREAK
Indeed. I think its hilarious that a Caracal has more "mass" than a Maller...
Have you seen how big a Caracal is compared to a Maller...
the caracal is thin, spindly and made of balsa wood covered with sheepskin
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Tovarishch
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Posted - 2005.08.18 22:15:00 -
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Edited by: Tovarishch on 18/08/2005 22:16:14
All very excellent points. This should have been tossed into the Game Development Forum in hopes that CCP actually reads it.
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2005.08.18 22:21:00 -
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...I could come with the old RP reasoing that caldari ships are heavy due to the high mass of copper heatsinks that their computers use...
but I must say /signed to this sugestion
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Kyoko Sakoda
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Posted - 2005.08.18 22:30:00 -
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What Tovarishch said.
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lee kemp
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Posted - 2005.08.18 22:49:00 -
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totally agree,
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Earthan
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Posted - 2005.08.18 22:54:00 -
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Well i fly gallente and caldari ships and lost lots oflove for caldari since they act like flying brciks from castor.
I would welcome the change so theyu arent so hvy.
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Elrathias mkII
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Posted - 2005.08.18 23:02:00 -
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So. basicly. caldari ships are:
The slowest in all classes.
the heaviest in all classes
have the worst sensors, in all classes
have the least hitpoints, in all classes(?)
and on top of that, have a main weapons system that cant even do max damage to a ******* WALL if it has a small sensor signature (ohnoes, its a plastic wall, -99,9% damage, still is the size OF WASHINGTON GODDAMMIT)
what can be done to aid this?
well for once, un-nerf the missiles. if a target is standing still, they get hit, their in the damagecloud the entire time, why do they get damage reduction? because their small, naaw, how cute. THEY GOT HIT BY A ******* TORPEDO. notice how i emphasize they got _HIT_. nothing changes thath, even if the missile is the size of the ship, if they get hit, their smoked if they stay in the damagecloud for the durance.
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JoeSomebody
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Posted - 2005.08.18 23:04:00 -
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no hijackin plz 
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Destroyer Draxx
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Posted - 2005.08.18 23:29:00 -
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Signed / The fun part is that ppl are still posting about nerfing EW further 
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Kaylana Syi
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Posted - 2005.08.19 01:30:00 -
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/signed
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Will Basthard
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Posted - 2005.08.19 01:31:00 -
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/SIGNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2005.08.19 01:35:00 -
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obviously all that mass is allocated into the caracals awesome 650 armor.
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Rawstyle
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Posted - 2005.08.19 01:46:00 -
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