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Banana1x
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.13 07:19:00 -
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A quick search of the forum shows that there's quite a vocal crowd against cash for SP. It's hard to tell if it's a concensus, but they certainly get quite distraught if anyone mentions this idea.
Here's my thoughts.
I'd like to see tiers of subscription level. Each tier gives a multiplier to the rate of skill points aquired. It could also be done with a pool of shared attributes between your characters, but ultimatley it's the same result; increased skill point aquisition based on how much bucks you pay. E.g.
$15 = 1x
$25 = 2x
$35 = 3x
etc.
How you use these tiers is up to you. You could pay $35/month and apply it all to one character and get 3x the rate of skill points for that month. Or you could set up 3 characters all training at 1x rate. Or 1 character at 2x and 1 at 1x.
Like it or not, EVE's SP system is based on time and that's great if you've been playing a long time. But a new character takes months to get skilled up and most corps impose SP limits of about 10M; that's nearly 7 months training!! We want more players, we want them flying shineys and we want to blow them up.
So CPP, I've got money, I'd like to give that money to you; I've tried throwing it at the screen, but no luck yet. I'd be quite happy to spend a lot more money on this hobby as long as I get some entertainment from it. The one thing reducing my entertainment value is the long waiting game.
p.s. Please don't suggest buying a premade character. |
Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
14462
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Posted - 2013.03.13 07:23:00 -
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No.
Buy a character if you want higher Sp faster.
Malcanis for CSM 8.
Destination SkillQueue:-
It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Banana1x
The Scope
Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2013.03.13 07:24:00 -
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Yes |
Ayla Crenshaw
Polish Immortals
0
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Posted - 2013.03.13 07:33:00 -
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As a relative newbie I can honestly say the time you have to spend training up to that 10 million SP should be used to learn the game.
Jumping straight into advanced ships without first going through the less isk-painful motions (getting repeatedly blown up in frigates and cruisers) is a pretty bad idea. |
Drake Doe
SVER True Blood
Unclaimed.
74
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Posted - 2013.03.13 07:35:00 -
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How about a no from a character below 170mil sp? |
Banana1x
The Scope
Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2013.03.13 07:37:00 -
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Ayla Crenshaw wrote:As a relative newbie I can honestly say the time you have to spend training up to that 10 million SP should be used to learn the game.
Jumping straight into advanced ships without first going through the less isk-painful motions (getting repeatedly blown up in frigates and cruisers) is a pretty bad idea.
I agree. That's why I dont like buying characters. Also, this suggestion came about because I'm levelling new alts and it's very dull doing this same long winded process again. I'd much rather pay to speed it up. |
Banana1x
The Scope
Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2013.03.13 07:39:00 -
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Drake Doe wrote:How about a no from a character below 170mil sp?
Fine, I just ask that you justify it. |
Drake Doe
SVER True Blood
Unclaimed.
74
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Posted - 2013.03.13 07:41:00 -
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Banana1x wrote:Drake Doe wrote:How about a no from a character below 170mil sp? Fine, I just ask that you justify it.
It makes the game ptw, even though there's already a system a new player can use to get a high sp character |
Banana1x
The Scope
Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2013.03.13 07:44:00 -
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how is plex not pay to win or the character bazarre pay to win?? |
Drake Doe
SVER True Blood
Unclaimed.
74
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Posted - 2013.03.13 07:49:00 -
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Banana1x wrote:how is plex not pay to win or the character bazarre pay to win??
Using plex doesn't get you the sp to use ships to their fullest potential and no one said the character bazaar was ptw |
Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
14463
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Posted - 2013.03.13 07:49:00 -
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Banana1x wrote:how is plex not pay to win or the character bazarre pay to win?? Because they don't give anything that cannot be gained through normal game play.
Malcanis for CSM 8.
Destination SkillQueue:-
It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Banana1x
The Scope
Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2013.03.13 07:54:00 -
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Drake Doe wrote:Banana1x wrote:how is plex not pay to win or the character bazarre pay to win?? Using plex doesn't get you the sp to use ships to their fullest potential and no one said the character bazaar was ptw
This is just dishonest. If I cash in plex, I can buy more ships than you. I can buy better items than you and more of them.
and the character bazaar IS ptw. |
Banana1x
The Scope
Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2013.03.13 07:57:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Banana1x wrote:how is plex not pay to win or the character bazarre pay to win?? Because they don't give anything that cannot be gained through normal game play.
Both SP and ISK can be earned in the game at a slow rate. ISK can be earned at a fast rate with cash, why not SP?
And more importantly, how does this affect you? What does it matter if someone increases their skills quicker? Does it impact you in any way other than give you a significant advantage over them that can never be bridged? |
Drake Doe
SVER True Blood
Unclaimed.
74
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Posted - 2013.03.13 07:58:00 -
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Characters on the bazaar Isnt ptw, it's pay isk to get ahead, and you can get all the shiny **** you want I'll still rip you apart with a cheaper ship. |
Aliventi
Burning Napalm
Northern Coalition.
32
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Posted - 2013.03.13 07:59:00 -
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Drake Doe wrote:Characters on the bazaar Isnt ptw, it's pay isk to get ahead, and you can get all the shiny **** you want I'll still rip you apart with a cheaper ship.
Not empty quoting. |
Caldari 5
The Element Syndicate
49
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Posted - 2013.03.13 08:05:00 -
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Firstly the Character Bazaar is there because someone else paid the time to skill it and buying a character there is not PTW it is Trade with another player their Time for Plex/ISK.
Now back to the OP, NO!!! There will be no Speed improvements on a single character for ISK/PLEX/Cash. What I would agree to is to pay additional PLEX/s to train a second character/s on the Account.
EG
Paying 1 PLEX per month for 1 Character Training at a Time (this is what you get currently)
Paying 2 PLEX per month for 2 Characters Training at a Time
Paying 3 PLEX per month for 3 Characters Training at a Time
This is equivalent to paying for additional accounts, the only saving that you get is the removal of 2 transfer fees(once to another account and then another to move it back when you are done training), this in itself is a HUGE improvement. |
Banana1x
The Scope
Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2013.03.13 08:10:00 -
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Caldari 5 wrote:Firstly the Character Bazaar is there because someone else paid the time to skill it and buying a character there is not PTW it is Trade with another player their Time for Plex/ISK.
Wow this is stupid. The key point here is someone else did the work, not you. You are swapping cash for the effort involved. That IS pay to win.
The rest of your post was to silly to even bother quoting. |
Drake Doe
SVER True Blood
Unclaimed.
74
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Posted - 2013.03.13 08:14:00 -
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Banana1x wrote:Caldari 5 wrote:Firstly the Character Bazaar is there because someone else paid the time to skill it and buying a character there is not PTW it is Trade with another player their Time for Plex/ISK.
Wow this is stupid. The key point here is someone else did the work, not you. You are swapping cash for the effort involved. That IS pay to win. The rest of your post was to silly to even bother quoting.
Your way wouldn't have anyone earning a good sp character so it can be sold, so you'd have ptw with absolutely no effort involved for anyone. |
Banana1x
The Scope
Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2013.03.13 08:20:00 -
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Drake Doe wrote:Your way wouldn't have anyone earning a good sp character so it can be sold, so you'd have ptw with absolutely no effort involved for anyone.
It would still take time, just not as long as it takes now. There still would be a market for premades and it would cost the same to level up your character; it just would be a shorter duration but you'd pay more during that period to balance it out.
Picture it akin to having really good implants. |
Drake Doe
SVER True Blood
Unclaimed.
74
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Posted - 2013.03.13 08:28:00 -
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It would take absolutely no time get a good character in your vision so the character market would be severely hurt |
TheSkeptic
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
139
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Posted - 2013.03.13 08:44:00 -
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Banana1x wrote: increased skill point aquisition based on how much bucks you pay. E.g.
$15 = 1x
$25 = 2x
$35 = 3x
Not only is this a terrible idea that totally unbalances character progression. You are bad at math.
According to your suggestion... I can pay for just over 2 accounts and train my character 3 times as fast. Shouldn't you be paying at least 45 for 3x? even then it's way overpowered.
Totally against the idea.
... |
TheSkeptic
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
139
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Posted - 2013.03.13 08:50:00 -
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Banana1x wrote:
The key point here is someone else did the work, not you. You are swapping cash for the effort involved. That IS pay to win.
Actually not swapping _cash_ for the effort, they are trading ISK for a character. There is no pay to win in that.
If you are selling PLEX/GTC to get that ISK, hey, that's your issue and your choice. Not everyone does it that way.
... |
Banana1x
The Scope
Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2013.03.13 08:50:00 -
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TheSkeptic wrote:Banana1x wrote: increased skill point aquisition based on how much bucks you pay. E.g.
$15 = 1x
$25 = 2x
$35 = 3x
Not only is this a terrible idea that totally unbalances character progression. You are bad at math. According to your suggestion... I can pay for just over 2 accounts and train my character 3 times as fast. Shouldn't you be paying at least 45 for 3x? even then it's way overpowered. Totally against the idea.
You must be new to the idea of discount, you'll learn about it soon in big boy school.
Anyhoo, insults aside, how is this OP? it's the same skills, the same cost just a shorter duration. |
Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
14465
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Posted - 2013.03.13 08:55:00 -
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Banana1x wrote:Mag's wrote:Banana1x wrote:how is plex not pay to win or the character bazarre pay to win?? Because they don't give anything that cannot be gained through normal game play. Both SP and ISK can be earned in the game at a slow rate. ISK can be earned at a fast rate with cash, why not SP? And more importantly, how does this affect you? What does it matter if someone increases their skills quicker? Does it impact you in any way other than give you a significant advantage over them that can never be bridged? Both ISK and the Char was gained through normal game play, you are merely changing ownership. Your idea completely bypasses normal game play, so is therefore P2W.
Malcanis for CSM 8.
Destination SkillQueue:-
It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Late Night Alliance
2086
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Posted - 2013.03.13 09:57:00 -
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No.
Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
TheSkeptic
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
139
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Posted - 2013.03.13 10:20:00 -
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Banana1x wrote:how is this OP? it's the same skills, the same cost just a shorter duration.
See, I told you you are terrible at math.
It's the same skills, at a reduced cost and faster. How is that not overpowered?
Training a perfect(or near) titan pilot is an investment in time. You shouldn't be able to just throw a load of money at CCP and train one up in 6 months.
If you want one fast, buy one someone else has already spent the time training.
... |
Nariya Kentaya
Always Negative.
433
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Posted - 2013.03.13 11:27:00 -
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Banana1x wrote:Mag's wrote:Banana1x wrote:how is plex not pay to win or the character bazarre pay to win?? Because they don't give anything that cannot be gained through normal game play. Both SP and ISK can be earned in the game at a slow rate. ISK can be earned at a fast rate with cash, why not SP? And more importantly, how does this affect you? What does it matter if someone increases their skills quicker? Does it impact you in any way other than give you a significant advantage over them that can never be bridged?
It creates a stratified citizenship. people who pay more will start asking for more benefits, and whining when CCP doesnt listen to their ideas.
on a more realistic level, this wouldnt be an option, it would be a requirement for anyone not a solo player, null-sec alliances will demand players always use the FOTM ship, and they will give them a timespan of the 3x skill-queue to get it, forcing people to either pay up, or go back to highsec.
anything that creates an arbitrary stratification is bad when its done through out-of-game mechanics. |
Nariya Kentaya
Always Negative.
433
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Posted - 2013.03.13 11:30:00 -
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Banana1x wrote:TheSkeptic wrote:Banana1x wrote: increased skill point aquisition based on how much bucks you pay. E.g.
$15 = 1x
$25 = 2x
$35 = 3x
Not only is this a terrible idea that totally unbalances character progression. You are bad at math. According to your suggestion... I can pay for just over 2 accounts and train my character 3 times as fast. Shouldn't you be paying at least 45 for 3x? even then it's way overpowered. Totally against the idea. You must be new to the idea of discount, you'll learn about it soon in big boy school. Anyhoo, insults aside, how is this OP? it's the same skills, the same cost just a shorter duration.
That discount is roughly 20%, thats ridiculous for the kind of reward your getting. |
Sentinel zx
Shadow Phoenix Special Forces
14
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Posted - 2013.03.13 12:00:00 -
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No
http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/03/10/eve-evolved-do-plex-make-eve-pay-to-win/ |
Banana1x
Mors Vincit Omnia.
19
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Posted - 2013.03.20 00:56:00 -
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Nariya Kentaya wrote:
on a more realistic level, this wouldnt be an option, it would be a requirement for anyone not a solo player, null-sec alliances will demand players always use the FOTM ship, and they will give them a timespan of the 3x skill-queue to get it, forcing people to either pay up, or go back to highsec.
Out of all the counter arguments against this, this one delivers the deathblow. I think you're absolutely correct; this is exactly what would happen.
So yeah, consider my viewpoint adjusted. |
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