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DataRunner Attor
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Posted - 2013.03.20 02:19:00 -
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Banana1x wrote:Drake Doe wrote:Banana1x wrote:how is plex not pay to win or the character bazarre pay to win?? Using plex doesn't get you the sp to use ships to their fullest potential and no one said the character bazaar was ptw This is just dishonest. If I cash in plex, I can buy more ships than you. I can buy better items than you and more of them. and the character bazaar IS ptw.
just cause you can buy more ships don't mean you know how to fly them or even have the ability to to fit them...Unless you think exploding into space dust a form of winning. |
Banana1x
Mors Vincit Omnia.
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Posted - 2013.03.20 02:31:00 -
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DataRunner Attor wrote:Banana1x wrote:Drake Doe wrote:Banana1x wrote:how is plex not pay to win or the character bazarre pay to win?? Using plex doesn't get you the sp to use ships to their fullest potential and no one said the character bazaar was ptw This is just dishonest. If I cash in plex, I can buy more ships than you. I can buy better items than you and more of them. and the character bazaar IS ptw. just cause you can buy more ships don't mean you know how to fly them or even have the ability to to fit them...Unless you think exploding into space dust a form of winning.
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Tarn Kugisa
Infinite Covenant
Tribal Band
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Posted - 2013.03.20 05:05:00 -
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This entire thread is a bad idea
you should feel bad, OP
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Sigras
Conglomo
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Posted - 2013.03.20 05:51:00 -
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The difference between your suggestion and the character bazaar is the same as the difference between PLEX to ISK vs $$$ to ISK
The difference is, when you buy PLEX and sell them for ISK, the ISK comes from someone else, CCP doesnt generate the ISK out of thin air and give it to you.
The character bazaar is the same way, CCP doesnt spawn the SP from nowhere, someone had to train the account individually at a static rate.
Who cares you may ask?
Everyone should care, if CCP were to allow characters to train faster/instantly for cash, it would be like CCP giving ISK away for cash, it creates inflation and devalues the SP currently in the game.
TL;DR
Its different than the character bazaar because:
In your idea, the SP is spawned into the game by CCP from nowhere (bad)
In the character bazaar, someone actually had to skill up the character in real time (semi ok) |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
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Posted - 2013.03.20 06:04:00 -
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Banana1x wrote:Drake Doe wrote:Banana1x wrote:how is plex not pay to win or the character bazarre pay to win?? Using plex doesn't get you the sp to use ships to their fullest potential and no one said the character bazaar was ptw This is just dishonest. If I cash in plex, I can buy more ships than you. I can buy better items than you and more of them. and the character bazaar IS ptw.
No you can't.
Check how little ISK 10K eur gives you and reconsider.
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Azrael Dinn
The 20th Legion
Mildly Sober
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Posted - 2013.03.20 06:49:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Banana1x wrote:Mag's wrote:Banana1x wrote:how is plex not pay to win or the character bazarre pay to win?? Because they don't give anything that cannot be gained through normal game play. Both SP and ISK can be earned in the game at a slow rate. ISK can be earned at a fast rate with cash, why not SP? And more importantly, how does this affect you? What does it matter if someone increases their skills quicker? Does it impact you in any way other than give you a significant advantage over them that can never be bridged? Both ISK and the Char's SP was gained through normal game play, you are merely changing ownership. Your idea completely bypasses normal game play, so is therefore P2W.
I agree with Mag's your suggestion does sound alot like P2W.
Personaly I would want to collect SP faster and I don't realy care about the character bazaar or the people making their isks on it. In roleplay terms it sounds alot like a slave farm where someone goes and buys slaves for them selfs.
But yeah paying real money to get more SP is something even I would not want to introduce to the game. So if something this would have to be implemented and people would want it (well the people on the forums like you said usualy disagrees on everything that might effect their way of game play or market) , it would have to be something that everyone can get their hands of ingame trough gameplay or something. |
Mag's
the united
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Posted - 2013.03.20 09:59:00 -
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Banana1x wrote:Not all of us have spent 10 years in the game and have 170m SP characters Mag. People like you also whined about PLEX when that came out. It's only a matter of time before this game has to rebalance. Just how much of that 170 Mil SP, allows me to fly a Crow or a Mega? The beauty with the SP system, is it allows new players to compete.
Also, I have never complained about the Plex. I do in fact, like the system and find it a rather elegant solution.
Oh, nice edit btw.
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Anthar Thebess
REPUBLIKA ORLA
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Posted - 2013.03.20 10:14:00 -
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Buy few dozen plexes, sell them in game - and check the character bazaar section of this forum.
You can get a titan capable pilot within a day. |
hmskrecik
TransMine Group
German Information Network Alliance
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Posted - 2013.03.20 13:33:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Just how much of that 170 Mil SP, allows me to fly a Crow or a Mega? The beauty with the SP system, is it allows new players to compete.
What Mag's said. Any EVE profession requires just a fraction of this amount to be able to play proficiently. I'd say it's typically up to a year, 2 years if you want to have perfect skils. And it's talking about character skills. If it comes to human skills you can be even faster.
So unless you're aftter Extreme Dickwaving Contest it really doesn't mean much how much SP do you have. |
Teckos Pech
The Executives
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2013.03.20 14:03:00 -
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Banana1x wrote:A quick search of the forum shows that there's quite a vocal crowd against cash for SP. It's hard to tell if it's a concensus, but they certainly get quite distraught if anyone mentions this idea.
Here's my thoughts.
I'd like to see tiers of subscription level. Each tier gives a multiplier to the rate of skill points aquired. It could also be done with a pool of shared attributes between your characters, but ultimatley it's the same result; increased skill point aquisition based on how much bucks you pay. E.g.
$15 = 1x
$25 = 2x
$35 = 3x
etc.
How you use these tiers is up to you. You could pay $35/month and apply it all to one character and get 3x the rate of skill points for that month. Or you could set up 3 characters all training at 1x rate. Or 1 character at 2x and 1 at 1x.
Like it or not, EVE's SP system is based on time and that's great if you've been playing a long time. But a new character takes months to get skilled up and most corps impose SP limits of about 10M; that's nearly 7 months training!! We want more players, we want them flying shineys and we want to blow them up.
So CPP, I've got money, I'd like to give that money to you; I've tried throwing it at the screen, but no luck yet. I'd be quite happy to spend a lot more money on this hobby as long as I get some entertainment from it. The one thing reducing my entertainment value is the long waiting game.
p.s. Please don't suggest buying a premade character.
And of course here we see here how Malcanis' law would really work for the older players.
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Teckos Pech
The Executives
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2013.03.20 14:09:00 -
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Banana1x wrote:how is plex not pay to win or the character bazarre pay to win??
That was exactly his point, we've already gone some ways towards that. You have money, go spend some of it on PLEX and then go to the character bazaar. Hell, I recently sold a character just under 14 million SP. That would have moved you over 7 months forward in the game. Granted it would have cost you over $250 in terms of GTCs, but you are willing to pay a monthly fee anyways so pretty much the same thing except you pay in a lump sum and get my experience in game to set up an efficient training program.
So....no. If you want a character with more SP, character bazaar is that away ---------------> |
Teckos Pech
The Executives
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2013.03.20 14:12:00 -
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Banana1x wrote:Drake Doe wrote:Banana1x wrote:how is plex not pay to win or the character bazarre pay to win?? Using plex doesn't get you the sp to use ships to their fullest potential and no one said the character bazaar was ptw This is just dishonest. If I cash in plex, I can buy more ships than you. I can buy better items than you and more of them. and the character bazaar IS ptw.
Killboards are full of people like you with very expensive ships killed by a guy in a less expensive ships...sometimes groups of people do the killing. See, the other people who don't whine, they don't try to lone wolf it.
Granted with enough $$$ you can buy a high sp character that can fly a titan...you can even buy a titan and fancy schmancy mods to go on it. Of course a few guys in hictors, dictors and backed up by supers and you'll be dead and out all that $$$$.
So, what everyone is trying to say is learn to play the game. Take your time and enjoy it, and eventually someday you too can be a bitter vet instead of a scrub. |
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