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Thomas Hurt Vasilkovsky Interstellar Goonswarm Federation 105	Posted - 2013.03.13 16:43:00 - [1] - Quote Does anyone else find it extremely odd that this game uses laws of physics that are over 100 years old? There was this guy called Einstein, devs, not sure if you've heard of him? His work in physics was kind of a big deal, and any game that involves faster-than-light travel should take into account the causal paradoxes that would result from such technological possibilities; I should also be able to train skills faster than other people by constantly warping from one system to another (or rather, faster from the perspective of someone who is stationary). Anyways, I just wanted to throw that out there. This really is a big issue to me; it would be like if Call of Duty had no gravity because "welp, too hard to model" and everyone just sort of floated around. You can't ignore the fundamental nature of reality and expect to present your game as internally consistent...
Micheal Dietrich Kings Gambit Black 1226	Posted - 2013.03.13 16:44:00 - [2] - Quote Another one of these threads. Hows your first year of school going?
Thomas Hurt Vasilkovsky Interstellar Goonswarm Federation 105	Posted - 2013.03.13 16:48:00 - [3] - Quote Micheal Dietrich wrote: Another one of these threads. Hows your first year of school going? Fine, thank you. I'm taking Physics 101 and am already 3/4th of the way through the syllabus, so I think I'm more than qualified to comment on this.
Benny Ohu Chaotic Tranquility Casoff 912	Posted - 2013.03.13 16:49:00 - [4] - Quote nah mate it was newton came up with relativity
ElQuirko Jester Syndicate WHY so Seri0Us 1085	Posted - 2013.03.13 16:50:00 - [5] - Quote Pretty sure any qualified scientist knows that everything is held together by God. CISPA - Readin' your secret corptheft mails since 2012
Christopher AET Segmentum Solar Nulli Legio 348	Posted - 2013.03.13 16:54:00 - [6] - Quote Because in internet spaceships reality > balance I drain ducks of their moisture for sustenance.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 13219	Posted - 2013.03.13 16:55:00 - [7] - Quote Thomas Hurt wrote: Fine, thank you. I'm taking Physics 101 and am already 3/4th of the way through the syllabus, so I think I'm more than qualified to comment on this. Not even close. But you are in that nice and comfy GÇ£oh great, now I know lots of stuffGÇ¥ zone. Don't worry, it'll passGÇª GÇªalso, setting aside the whole game thing, you might want to look up how relative time actually works and why it doesn't apply to the solution presented by the EVE lore. Vote Malcanis for CSM8.
Amber Roston Poked 2	Posted - 2013.03.13 16:57:00 - [8] - Quote lacking realism? i agree, there should be a PC in the captains quarters that your fat avatar could use to play flash games for ISK
Kristopher Rocancourt Quality Assurance The Marmite Collective 76	Posted - 2013.03.13 17:00:00 - [9] - Quote w.h.a.t.s w.i.t.h t.h.e p.e.r.i.o.ds. i.n b.e.t.w.e.e.n EVE?
Alara IonStorm 4562	Posted - 2013.03.13 17:02:00 - [10] - Quote Ships with tiny engines move faster then ships with bigger engines. Weapons ranges are 250km. Turrets track slower by size for no reason. If you cut power to the engines you drift to a stop. You can bank your ship. You can coat your kilometer long ship in an over 5 foot thick layer of armor that fits in a 20m3 space in your cargo hold. The bigger the ship the longer the target lock when a Battleship can fit a computer the size of a Frigate. Most ships can not obtain Apollo 11 Speeds. Their is a hard limit to the amount of mods you can fit on Destroyers up equal up too about twice that on a Frigate when the ship is 10-200 times the size. 30m Long Flimsy Space Fighters have the HP of Cruisers. Starbases / Outpost / Structures can become invincible for like a day but nothing else. It is the lack of time dilation in fictional warp fields that bugs you...

Whitehound 1190	Posted - 2013.03.13 17:11:00 - [11] - Quote Thomas Hurt wrote: Does anyone else find it extremely odd that this game uses laws of physics that are over 100 years old? ... This really is a big issue to me; it would be like if Call of Duty had no gravity ... You can't ignore the fundamental nature of reality and expect to present your game as internally consistent... Sorry to read about your big issue. I hope they let you play CoD again real soon. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
De'Veldrin East India Ore Trade The East India Co. 1164	Posted - 2013.03.13 17:15:00 - [12] - Quote Thomas Hurt wrote: Micheal Dietrich wrote: Another one of these threads. Hows your first year of school going? Fine, thank you. I'm taking Physics 101 and am already 3/4th of the way through the syllabus, so I think I'm more than qualified to comment on this. LOL. Hey, I took a year of auto shop in high school - I can build race cars! Malcanis for CSM 8 Eve Online: The full-contact sport for your brain. Twitter --á@DeVeldrin
Kristoffon vonDrake Forceful Resource Acquisition Inc 32	Posted - 2013.03.13 17:21:00 - [13] - Quote Imagine if the game was based on gasp magic how ridiculous it would be. I support the OP's initiative of aligning game physics and reality but he should start with games that are glaringly oblivious to reality and use such magic-basic shenanigans. OP, it is your moral duty to the world to register a WoW account and place this question on their forums.
Alara IonStorm 4568	Posted - 2013.03.13 17:29:00 - [14] - Quote Kristoffon vonDrake wrote: Imagine if the game was based on gasp magic how ridiculous it would be. I support the OP's initiative of aligning game physics and reality but he should start with games that are glaringly oblivious to reality and use such magic-basic shenanigans. OP, it is your moral duty to the world to register a WoW account and place this question on their forums. New Healer Spells. * Tourniquet * Leeches * Hacksaw * Opium * Pray to Correct God * Leeches Type 2

ISD Suvetar ISD Community Communications Liaisons 1877	Posted - 2013.03.13 17:29:00 - [15] - Quote Hi, The Game physics are based on a fluidic model; which whilst not being a model of our universe, is much more intuitive to people who live around a planet and drive cars. EVE would be far too complicated if it simulated true relativistic and newtonian physics, and that would certainly be impossible to manage in a way that lets the game run as many simultaneous connections as it does. Now, I would like to remind people to post constructively, please! ISD Suvetar Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department

Alara IonStorm 4568	Posted - 2013.03.13 17:31:00 - [16] - Quote ISD Suvetar wrote: Hi, The Game physics are based on a fluidic model; which whilst not being a model of our universe, is much more intuitive to people who live around a planet and drive cars. EVE would be far too complicated if it simulated true relativistic and newtonian physics, and that would certainly be impossible to manage in a way that lets the game run as many simultaneous connections as it does. Now, I would like to remind people to post constructively, please! I think she is calling us all stupid... I can find little counter evidence.
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 2671	Posted - 2013.03.13 17:32:00 - [17] - Quote What part of space submarines and fluid space doesnt OP understand... or in other words... Posting in a 'EvE needs more physics' thread# FINDSOMETHINGELSETOCOMPLAINABOUT. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
Micheal Dietrich Kings Gambit Black 1230	Posted - 2013.03.13 17:32:00 - [18] - Quote ISD Suvetar wrote: Now, I would like to remind people to post constructively, please! Does that mean we need to use keywords like foundation, structure, paving the way, etc.?

ISD Suvetar ISD Community Communications Liaisons 1877	Posted - 2013.03.13 17:32:00 - [19] - Quote Alara IonStorm wrote: ISD Suvetar wrote: Hi, The Game physics are based on a fluidic model; which whilst not being a model of our universe, is much more intuitive to people who live around a planet and drive cars. EVE would be far too complicated if it simulated true relativistic and newtonian physics, and that would certainly be impossible to manage in a way that lets the game run as many simultaneous connections as it does. Now, I would like to remind people to post constructively, please! I think she is calling us all stupid... I can find little counter evidence. wat? ISD Suvetar Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department

Bjron 501st Amarr 103	Posted - 2013.03.13 17:34:00 - [20] - Quote I recall reading somewhere that it was stated that the engines that allow you to "warp" or w/e you want to call it, cause space to take on different aspects. More like water. The mere presence of these engines causes "space to warp its property and become liquid like".

Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 13222	Posted - 2013.03.13 17:34:00 - [21] - Quote Alara IonStorm wrote: Kristoffon vonDrake wrote: Imagine if the game was based on gasp magic how ridiculous it would be. I support the OP's initiative of aligning game physics and reality but he should start with games that are glaringly oblivious to reality and use such magic-basic shenanigans. OP, it is your moral duty to the world to register a WoW account and place this question on their forums. New Healer Spells. * Tourniquet * Leeches * Hacksaw * Opium * Pray to Correct God * Leeches Type 2 To be fair, it would be much easier to balance: For all the above: -100 HP per application. Vote Malcanis for CSM8.
Caviar Liberta Moira. Villore Accords 99	Posted - 2013.03.13 17:35:00 - [22] - Quote Thomas Hurt wrote: Does anyone else find it extremely odd that this game uses laws of physics that are over 100 years old? There was this guy called Einstein, devs, not sure if you've heard of him? His work in physics was kind of a big deal, and any game that involves faster-than-light travel should take into account the causal paradoxes that would result from such technological possibilities; I should also be able to train skills faster than other people by constantly warping from one system to another (or rather, faster from the perspective of someone who is stationary). Anyways, I just wanted to throw that out there. This really is a big issue to me; it would be like if Call of Duty had no gravity because "welp, too hard to model" and everyone just sort of floated around. You can't ignore the fundamental nature of reality and expect to present your game as internally consistent... Use that then, according to the theory time slows as you approach the speed of light. So from an outside observer your ability to learn would also come to a crawl right?
LOL56 Galactic Express 42	Posted - 2013.03.13 17:35:00 - [23] - Quote Warp drives don't cause you to get anywhere near the local light speed, they create a field (of totally BS space magic) that decreases the mass of the surrounding space (a 'depleted vacuum') resulting in a large negative density for the region around the ship (the 'warp tunnel'), thus raising light speed and allowing speeds of multiple AU/s without even approaching the local light speed. The downside to to these drives is that when in standby mode (they cannot be turned off safely) the create a force akin to friction that drags the ship into a zero velocity relative to the local gravity well (usually the local star)
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 7079	Posted - 2013.03.13 17:38:00 - [24] - Quote ISD Suvetar wrote: Hi, The Game physics are based on a fluidic model; which whilst not being a model of our universe, is much more intuitive to people who live around a planet and drive cars. EVE would be far too complicated if it simulated true relativistic and newtonian physics, and that would certainly be impossible to manage in a way that lets the game run as many simultaneous connections as it does. Now, I would like to remind people to post constructively, please! tl;dr: "new eden is an ocean" ~a proud belligerent undesirable~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog Homowners 40	Posted - 2013.03.13 17:39:00 - [25] - Quote Thomas Hurt wrote: I should also be able to train skills faster than other people by constantly warping from one system to another (or rather, faster from the perspective of someone who is stationary). You should probably re-read that chapter again, I don't think it means what you think it means. But as I've said before, I totally think EVE should change the game (via a breakthrough in warp drive technology or something) to actually make the game operate under true physics. Constant acceleration for one, and apply all the laws of intertia. EVE could be everyone flying around at .94c, unable to turn their ships, taking as long to slow down as they took speeding up, flying past other ships too fast to even notice (much less get a lock), and people on one side of the galaxy having completely different in-game clocks/time than people in other parts of the galaxy. That would be so much fun. Subs would go through the roof.
Christopher AET Segmentum Solar Nulli Legio 348	Posted - 2013.03.13 17:39:00 - [26] - Quote Kerbal space program......nuff said I drain ducks of their moisture for sustenance.
Josef Djugashvilis Acme Mining Corporation 1074	Posted - 2013.03.13 17:41:00 - [27] - Quote Thomas Hurt wrote: Does anyone else find it extremely odd that this game uses laws of physics that are over 100 years old? There was this guy called Einstein, devs, not sure if you've heard of him? His work in physics was kind of a big deal, and any game that involves faster-than-light travel should take into account the causal paradoxes that would result from such technological possibilities; I should also be able to train skills faster than other people by constantly warping from one system to another (or rather, faster from the perspective of someone who is stationary). Anyways, I just wanted to throw that out there. This really is a big issue to me; it would be like if Call of Duty had no gravity because "welp, too hard to model" and everyone just sort of floated around. You can't ignore the fundamental nature of reality and expect to present your game as internally consistent... Einstein physics, are real physics Eve Online physics, are made up for fun physics. Deal with it. This is not a signature.

ISD Suvetar ISD Community Communications Liaisons 1877	Posted - 2013.03.13 17:43:00 - [28] - Quote Andski wrote: ISD Suvetar wrote: Hi, The Game physics are based on a fluidic model; which whilst not being a model of our universe, is much more intuitive to people who live around a planet and drive cars. EVE would be far too complicated if it simulated true relativistic and newtonian physics, and that would certainly be impossible to manage in a way that lets the game run as many simultaneous connections as it does. Now, I would like to remind people to post constructively, please! tl;dr: "new eden is an ocean" All joking aside, that's not a bad analogy really :) ISD Suvetar Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department

Primary This Rifter Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2013.03.13 17:46:00 - [29] - Quote Let us know how you plan on simulating how a ship's mass, length, and time dilation become imaginary at speeds above c. Yes, I'm an alt. Congratulations.
iskflakes 352	Posted - 2013.03.13 17:47:00 - [30] - Quote EVE physics is not realistic as everybody else has already said. It's a shame the "fluid" nonsense doesn't make any sense either. The most annoying thing to me is how wrecks stop moving when you kill something that was moving. The max range on guns is also fairly ridiculous. -



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