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Ginger Ozuwara
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.03.14 00:27:00 -
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CCP should just build multiboxing support right into the client (allowing you to control multiple accounts from the same client) and reclassify the game as an MMO-RTS/MMO-RPG hybrid.
Multiboxers get to keep playing Eve as an MMO-RTS. Single players get to keep palying Eve as an MMO-RPG. Noone has to worry about 3rd party apps.
Win-Win, everybodies happy  |

Frying Doom
1950
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Posted - 2013.03.14 00:30:00 -
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This needed its own thread? We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
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Angelique Duchemin
Serenity Prime Kraken.
227
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Posted - 2013.03.14 00:32:00 -
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I feel like you could have dropped this joke in an existing thread. The Battle of Wizna. Like the movie 300 but against German tanks. |

Sentamon
755
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Posted - 2013.03.14 00:33:00 -
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without this thread where would the useless troll replies go!?  ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |

Ginger Ozuwara
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.03.14 00:37:00 -
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Angelique Duchemin wrote:I feel like you could have dropped this joke in an existing thread.
Edit: Puck two.
Serious proposal. Why can't Eve be an MMO-RTS? |

Gotch Urarse
112
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Posted - 2013.03.14 00:37:00 -
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For clarification, are you referring to people who play with programs such as ISBoxer or people who play multiple accounts and give each and every account individual commands?
IMHO, there is a difference from someone who runs 2, 3, 4 ... x accounts independently and someone who runs 2, 3, 4 ... x accounts off the same keystrokes. Can you clarify your stance?
And I do agree, another thread? |

Ginger Ozuwara
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.03.14 00:42:00 -
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Gotch Urarse wrote:For clarification, are you referring to people who play with programs such as ISBoxer or people who play multiple accounts and give each and every account individual commands?
IMHO, there is a difference from someone who runs 2, 3, 4 ... x accounts independently and someone who runs 2, 3, 4 ... x accounts off the same keystrokes. Can you clarify your stance?
And I do agree, another thread?
If you could control multiple accounts from the client then there would be no differance between the players you mention. They would all use the Eve client to control their many or few accounts.
There are many games out there that let you control more than one "unit" at a time. Eve could function just like them, becoming a true MMO-RTS. |

iskflakes
352
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Posted - 2013.03.14 00:49:00 -
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This is a great idea. - |

Gotch Urarse
112
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Posted - 2013.03.14 00:50:00 -
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Ginger Ozuwara wrote:Gotch Urarse wrote:For clarification, are you referring to people who play with programs such as ISBoxer or people who play multiple accounts and give each and every account individual commands?
IMHO, there is a difference from someone who runs 2, 3, 4 ... x accounts independently and someone who runs 2, 3, 4 ... x accounts off the same keystrokes. Can you clarify your stance?
And I do agree, another thread? If you could control multiple accounts from the client then there would be no differance between the players you mention. They would all use the Eve client to control their many or few accounts. There are many games out there that let you control more than one "unit" at a time. Eve could function just like them, becoming a true MMO-RTS.
One more clarification please, if you will.
Is there difference, in your opinion, from someone running multiple clients one (or more) PCs/Macs and issuing all commands independently and one person running multiple clients and using software to issue commands?
I honestly don't see why the either could be compared to an RTS. In an RST you are command X 'units' in one client, in either case .... I fell for the troll..... |

Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
1156
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Posted - 2013.03.14 00:53:00 -
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That whooshing sound in your ears is CCP moving mountains to implement this idea.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |

Ginger Ozuwara
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.03.14 00:55:00 -
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Gotch Urarse wrote:Ginger Ozuwara wrote:Gotch Urarse wrote:For clarification, are you referring to people who play with programs such as ISBoxer or people who play multiple accounts and give each and every account individual commands?
IMHO, there is a difference from someone who runs 2, 3, 4 ... x accounts independently and someone who runs 2, 3, 4 ... x accounts off the same keystrokes. Can you clarify your stance?
And I do agree, another thread? If you could control multiple accounts from the client then there would be no differance between the players you mention. They would all use the Eve client to control their many or few accounts. There are many games out there that let you control more than one "unit" at a time. Eve could function just like them, becoming a true MMO-RTS. One more clarification please, if you will. Is there difference, in your opinion, from someone running multiple clients one (or more) PCs/Macs and issuing all commands independently and one person running multiple clients and using software to issue commands? I honestly don't see why the either could be compared to an RTS. In an RST you are command X 'units' in one client, in either case .... I fell for the troll.....
Your question is not relevant to the proposal.
My proposal is to turn Eve into an MMO-RTS. I.E. Control X units in one client, the Eve client.
In other words allow someone to control more than one account at a time within the Eve client itself. |

Sariah Kion
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
249
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Posted - 2013.03.14 00:59:00 -
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There is no trolling on EVE's forums. Librarian and Exotic Dancer Extraordinaire Champion of the Working Men and Women of Empire Space Anti-Null Sec Opium Den Movement *President* Not the woman high sec wants but the Woman high sec needs. A modern girl for a modern world. |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2641
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Posted - 2013.03.14 01:19:00 -
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When did multiboxing become an issue? Apparently booking your flight & accomodation to Iceland BEFORE you buy the tickets for the convention which is pretty much the only reason you wanted to go there in the first place is popular. |

Ryu Ibarazaki
Brave Newbies Inc.
8
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Posted - 2013.03.14 02:09:00 -
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Ginger Ozuwara wrote:Win-Win, everybodies happy 
Confirming. Everyone is happy.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
2350
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Posted - 2013.03.14 03:10:00 -
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There is no "Multiboxing Issue".
There's just a bunch of whiny forum gnats that can't be arsed to run more than one client at a time. Don't like that you can't do it? Get a better rig/internet connection.
Mr Epeen  There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3559
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Posted - 2013.03.14 03:15:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:When did multiboxing become an issue? When is anything not an issue on GENERAL DISCUSSION? I am a nullsec zealot. |

GreenSeed
242
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Posted - 2013.03.14 03:24:00 -
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posting on stealth nerf highsec thread. |

Montevius Williams
Eclipse Industrial Inc
423
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Posted - 2013.03.14 03:36:00 -
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lol @ poeple that think CCP will get rid of people multi-boxing. I still havent seen a legitimate reason as to why CCP should disallow this and in the process, hurt their bottom line. CCP is a business people. They only care about one thing: Taking your hard earned cash. "The American Government indoctrination system known as public education has been relentlessly churning out socialists for over 20 years". - TravisWB |

Felicity Love
STARKRAFT
325
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Posted - 2013.03.14 03:45:00 -
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Wow... yet another great idea to help the guy with 24 accounts mine like a zombie... time to buy more shares in RedBull. 
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |

Super spikinator
Hegemonous Conscripts Hegemonous Pandorum
115
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Posted - 2013.03.14 03:48:00 -
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Ginger Ozuwara wrote:CCP should just build multiboxing support right into the client (allowing you to control multiple accounts from the same client) and reclassify the game as an MMO-RTS/MMO-RPG hybrid. Multiboxers get to keep playing Eve as an MMO-RTS. Single players get to keep palying Eve as an MMO-RPG. Noone has to worry about 3rd party apps. Win-Win, everybodies happy 
I read the first word in your name and got really excited but you are, and will never be, Ginger Magician. |

Sabriz Adoudel
Resurgent Threat
97
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Posted - 2013.03.14 04:08:00 -
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We already have a solution to the multiboxing problem.
It's called smartbombing battleships. Addresses those fields of Mackinaws and Hulks quite well. '... you cannot reason with the mining bots, you cannot negotiate with them, you can only bring them judgement in the form of Navy Antimatter, turn their Mackinaws to salvage and dust, smartbomb their pods, and burn their Mining Link implants with sweet incense...'- The Gospel according to St James 315 |

ImNotCyno Alt5
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2013.03.14 04:12:00 -
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There's a problem with multi boxing. This is news for sure. Inb4 eve is dying |

pussnheels
The Fiction Factory
1048
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Posted - 2013.03.14 06:46:00 -
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So what is the OP getting at ; me no speaka da anglish me been multiboxing for years now with little or no difficulties
can somebody elaborate please I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |

RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2973
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Posted - 2013.03.14 06:53:00 -
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http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=74573
Quote:So, what do our plans entail? In short and among other things we are working on improving the self-update mechanism for the EVE Launcher, as well as its ability to download and update your EVE client, integration with digital distribution platforms like Steam and support for multi-box and test-client installations.
I'm just gonna leave this here... This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |

Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1076
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Posted - 2013.03.14 07:23:00 -
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Sariah Kion wrote:There is no trolling on EVE's forums.
There is, the issue is should there be? This is not a signature. |

Klymer
Hedion University Amarr Empire
156
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Posted - 2013.03.14 07:44:00 -
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Well we know what happens when you trust someone else to be your mid point cyno.
Multibox or Die.

....and here we go again  |

Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
68
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Posted - 2013.03.14 08:06:00 -
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Sariah Kion wrote:There is no trolling on EVE's forums.
In CCPland Forums are Trolling You. There's nothing a million chinese guys can't do cheaper. |

Dasola
Rookie Empire Citizens Rookie Empire
168
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Posted - 2013.03.14 08:39:00 -
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Now i have to ask, whats this issue you refering to? Theres no issue. Anyone can use even opensource solution to controll as many client as needed. So why you want CCP to invent wheel again?
Not too much difference in im running those client from single keyboard or if i have two laptops on desk with my desktop machine all running eve and controlling them separately.
We are Minmatar, Our ship are made of scraps, but look what our scraps can do... |

Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
223
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Posted - 2013.03.14 08:49:00 -
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Ginger Ozuwara wrote:Angelique Duchemin wrote:I feel like you could have dropped this joke in an existing thread.
Edit: Puck two. Serious proposal. Why can't Eve be an MMO-RTS?
Because EVE Online the RTS already exists.
It's called Homeworld. |

Velicitia
Arma Artificer
1234
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Posted - 2013.03.14 09:21:00 -
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Ginger Ozuwara wrote:Angelique Duchemin wrote:I feel like you could have dropped this joke in an existing thread.
Edit: Puck two. Serious proposal. Why can't Eve be an MMO-RTS?
because you're not the leader of a large alliance. once you start having to do that (and you distance yourself from the corp/alliance to the point where you're telling people to tell people to mine/fight/whatever) ... then it's a MMO-RTS...
then again, you could be ... and this is just a forum alt.
One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia Malcanis for CSM8 |

EvEa Deva
State War Academy Caldari State
224
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Posted - 2013.03.14 09:25:00 -
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The solution is the OP just gets over it and moves on. |

Quit Whining
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
45
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Posted - 2013.03.14 09:48:00 -
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Is it that time again? I thought we could at least make it to lunch before another multibox related thread?
It seems to be the current FOTM forum whine, alongside generic Sov and Hi/low/null sec nerfing threads.
I remember the days when it was pages of Supercapital whines... |

Ravnik
Choke-Hold
5125
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Posted - 2013.03.14 09:56:00 -
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Posting on a stealth "ban multiple afk cloaking" thread............ The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long - and you have burned so very, very brightly.......... |

Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpaid Tactical Team
778
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Posted - 2013.03.14 10:00:00 -
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Or maybe the game should just be more viable for one account. (you know, like 99.9% of MMOs on the market?)
CEO of B.U.T.T.
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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
1069
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Posted - 2013.03.14 10:14:00 -
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Is there a EVE version of Progress Quest? Mining Overhaul Nothing changed since 2008. |

Goldnut Sachs
7
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Posted - 2013.03.14 10:43:00 -
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just pay for isboxer you damn scrubs. |

Mayhaw Morgan
State War Academy Caldari State
63
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Posted - 2013.03.14 11:18:00 -
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EvEa Deva wrote:The solution is the OP just gets over it and moves on. Gets over what, exactly?
I love this idea, except, I think it should go further and just combine all the clients into a single "super-client". Rather than have 1 unit for each account, wouldn't it be simpler to just multiply 1 unit's stats by the number of accounts you have subscribed? So, instead of cluttering up the game with commands from 10 clients to run 10 characters flying Tengus, you could just have 1 character flying 1 Tengu, but that did 10x the DPS, could tank 10x the damage, moved at 10x the speed (or just had 10x more inertia), had 10x the capacitor, etc. He could even switch character names between the 10 characters to allow for AWOXing 'n such. |

Velicitia
Arma Artificer
1234
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Posted - 2013.03.14 11:29:00 -
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Quit Whining wrote:Is it that time again? I thought we could at least make it to lunch before another multibox related thread?
It seems to be the current FOTM forum whine, alongside generic Sov and Hi/low/null sec nerfing threads.
I remember the days when it was pages of Supercapital whines...
supercaps was last week. (death to supers)
Next week is Incursions and WiS being ignored. One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia Malcanis for CSM8 |

baltec1
Bat Country
5584
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Posted - 2013.03.14 11:32:00 -
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Meryl SinGarda wrote:Or maybe the game should just be more viable for one account. (you know, like 99.9% of MMOs on the market?)
It is. |

Jensaro Koraka
Serenity Prime Kraken.
67
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Posted - 2013.03.14 11:40:00 -
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Ginger Ozuwara wrote:Why can't Eve be an MMO-RTS? Because it isn't. This is the game you're looking for. Please go make stupid posts on their forums instead of ours. "Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." -H.L. Mencken |

Notorious Fellon
Republic University Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2013.03.14 13:29:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Meryl SinGarda wrote:Or maybe the game should just be more viable for one account. (you know, like 99.9% of MMOs on the market?) It is.
I am calling bullshit on this one.
Sorry, to be at all effective in EVE, one needs *at minimum* a primary pilot + alt scout + cyno alt (strategically placed) + hisec alt. If you want to get into FW, you need a pilot for that as well because of clone costs (primary pilot pod-death hurts past 20 million sp)
That is bare minimum. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
13241
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Posted - 2013.03.14 13:35:00 -
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Notorious Fellon wrote:I am calling bullshit on this one.
Sorry, to be at all effective in EVE, one needs *at minimum* a primary pilot.
That is bare minimum. Fixed. The notion that you need more is indeed BS.
Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |

Notorious Fellon
Republic University Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2013.03.14 13:36:00 -
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How many do you have Tippia? |

Dave Stark
1990
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Posted - 2013.03.14 13:59:00 -
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This Want miners to move from high sec to null sec? Then give them a reason to join player corps, and stop null sec grav sites being worth less isk/hour than high sec asteroid belts. Really isn't difficult. |

Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
14483
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Posted - 2013.03.14 14:32:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:When did multiboxing become an issue?
Malcanis for CSM 8. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |

De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade The East India Co.
1173
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Posted - 2013.03.14 15:38:00 -
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Notorious Fellon wrote:How many do you have Tippia?
There is a significant difference between how many characters a person has and how many they need. I have 12, but I only need 1 - my main. The rest are there to make my life easier when other people aren't around to do the things I need done, and to let me increase my passive income. They aren't necessary, they just make my life in game a lot easier. Malcanis for CSM 8
Eve Online: The full-contact sport for your brain. Twitter --á@DeVeldrin |

De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade The East India Co.
1173
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Posted - 2013.03.14 15:39:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:When did multiboxing become an issue?
When The Wiz, like a flaming dumbass, posted that video of running 100 mackinaws all at the same time from one keyboard, and everyone who can't/won't do the same thing went up up in emo-flames that he was making a **** ton of ISKies that way.
To those people, I say:
IT'S NOT A ******* COMPETITION! It's a game, play to enjoy yourself, not to race everyone else to the top of the ISK heap. Malcanis for CSM 8
Eve Online: The full-contact sport for your brain. Twitter --á@DeVeldrin |

Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1051
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Posted - 2013.03.14 15:59:00 -
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There can be no solution to which there is no problem.
Multi-boxing is a non-issue. CCP hath supported it. CCP hath endorsed it. CCP hath pushed hard for you to have more than one account going to so far as to make this game completely and utterly boring after 6 months for a lone toon.
The fact of this game is, if you have one account you're going to spend many hours doing nothing, wasting your time and effort trying to do something or playing the same boring content (haha, yeah that's laughable) ad nauseam.
If you're not willing to or capable of having multiple accounts then stop trying to tear down those that do, especially those that have enough alts to make multiboxing using isboxer and the like attractive tools.
Now, a single player with a single toon is a viable option in this game, it's just you'll need to associate yourself with enough active and like minded people to successfully play in aspects that are no place for a lone toon. With that said, multiple accounts do make the flow of the game more even. Having a single toon means, boring single player content aside, you're more likely to be the type of person that is waiting for something to happen with which you can take part.: i.e. log on, see if anything is going on, if not log off and go do something else. Kind of crappy for a game you're paying $180/yr for but it is what it is. There are other alternatives out there to Eve.
If you still feel compelled to play Eve then I would suggest going with 3 alts. A PVP toon, a PVE toon and an industrialist toon. I find the power of 3 far superior to the power of 2. My needs are sculpted directly by the environment in Eve that I play, w-space. I feel no need to go beyond 3 toons. Farming isk is not that difficult to get startup capital to fund industrialist ventures to further augment your income all while buying plex w/ isk for all 3 toons. I can do most things on my own in the arena of w-space that I inhabit but, do associate with other bitter vets in a corp.
Like I said, the game is what it is. You should accept that and either play the game or move on. But, in no way do I feel people playing with +10 alts using isboxer are somehow taking away from me or anyone else. Why you do, I can only characterize as malicious envy. *shrugs* HTFU!...for the children! |

Notorious Fellon
Republic University Minmatar Republic
24
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Posted - 2013.03.14 16:09:00 -
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No matter how hard you try, it is not possible to convince people that their OPINION about command duplicating is "not an issue".
It is a matter of personal opinion as to whether or not it is an issue. Do not assume that just because you (and CCP) think it is OK, that somehow everyone else should agree with you. It is rather obvious, based on public outcry alone that command duplication is indeed an issue that bothers many people.
You don't get to redefine the meaning of the word "issue" either. |

Notorious Fellon
Republic University Minmatar Republic
24
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Posted - 2013.03.14 16:10:00 -
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De'Veldrin wrote:Notorious Fellon wrote:How many do you have Tippia? There is a significant difference between how many characters a person has and how many they need. I have 12, but I only need 1 - my main. The rest are there to make my life easier when other people aren't around to do the things I need done, and to let me increase my passive income. They aren't necessary, they just make my life in game a lot easier.
Splitting hairs is not an internet sport. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
13241
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Posted - 2013.03.14 16:15:00 -
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De'Veldrin wrote:When The Wiz, like a flaming dumbass, posted that video of running 100 mackinaws all at the same time from one keyboard, and everyone who can't/won't do the same thing went up up in emo-flames that he was making a **** ton of ISKies that way.
To those people, I say:
IT'S NOT A ******* COMPETITION! It's a game, play to enjoy yourself, not to race everyone else to the top of the ISK heap. You really shouldn't scare people like that. If it's not a competition, then that would mean that their entire ISK-collecting existences were meaninglessGǪ Onoz!  Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |

Komen
Capital Enrichment Services Existential Anxiety
176
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Posted - 2013.03.14 16:25:00 -
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Tippia wrote:De'Veldrin wrote:When The Wiz, like a flaming dumbass, posted that video of running 100 mackinaws all at the same time from one keyboard, and everyone who can't/won't do the same thing went up up in emo-flames that he was making a **** ton of ISKies that way.
To those people, I say:
IT'S NOT A ******* COMPETITION! It's a game, play to enjoy yourself, not to race everyone else to the top of the ISK heap. You really shouldn't scare people like that. If it's not a competition, then that would mean that their entire ISK-collecting existences were meaninglessGǪ Onoz! 
Shhhh! You'll wake them from their veld/mish/incursion/sleeper grinding monotony. |

De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade The East India Co.
1173
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Posted - 2013.03.14 16:50:00 -
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Notorious Fellon wrote:De'Veldrin wrote:Notorious Fellon wrote:How many do you have Tippia? There is a significant difference between how many characters a person has and how many they need. I have 12, but I only need 1 - my main. The rest are there to make my life easier when other people aren't around to do the things I need done, and to let me increase my passive income. They aren't necessary, they just make my life in game a lot easier. Splitting hairs is not an internet sport.
Precision in speech and meaning is not splitting hairs. Malcanis for CSM 8
Eve Online: The full-contact sport for your brain. Twitter --á@DeVeldrin |

De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade The East India Co.
1173
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Posted - 2013.03.14 16:52:00 -
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Notorious Fellon wrote:No matter how hard you try, it is not possible to convince people that their OPINION about command duplicating is "not an issue".
It is a matter of personal opinion as to whether or not it is an issue. Do not assume that just because you (and CCP) think it is OK, that somehow everyone else should agree with you. It is rather obvious, based on public outcry alone that command duplication is indeed an issue that bothers many people.
You don't get to redefine the meaning of the word "issue" either.
By the same token, the unwashed masses do not get to override CCP's decision on what is and is not an issue in Eve, no matter how much they beg, whine and cry. At the end of the day your opinion amounts to the same pile of steaming ***** as mine - CCP's opinion on the matter is all that matters, and their opinion is pretty clear. Multi-boxing is supported. Command duplication is not an exploit and is therefore an acceptable game play style.
Sorry, I guess. Malcanis for CSM 8
Eve Online: The full-contact sport for your brain. Twitter --á@DeVeldrin |
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