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Chargon
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Posted - 2005.08.21 07:58:00 -
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Edited by: Chargon on 21/08/2005 07:59:51
Mounting attacks with empire rats is pointless. Everytime We doit they either hide in there stations or log.Empire Pirates and Pirate Corps are nothing more then noob *****s they cant fight anyone with skill. Chances are they couldnt fight there way out of a wet paper bag.
So to say mount a attack is meaningless they always go crawl under a rock. While a few do stay and fight the majority are greifers. the only way I see things could be fixed is give the sentury guns better range. 180km is a decent range. Other then that Our so called Carbears can just flyaround the Dangerouse systems.
Just to make 1 thing clear though roughly 73% of the eve pop are carebears without them Chances are you would have no eve. Count your blessings and show some respect for the carebears.
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Marcus Aurelius
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Posted - 2005.08.21 09:01:00 -
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 Originally by: PriceScout
1/ I'm not saying that it is unfair to be killed in low-sec. I'm just saying that going from one region to another is now so long that it transformed low-sec systems into new highways. If someone get podded because he mined/hunted/missionned in 0.4, that's part of the game.
Any kill is part of the game if there was a reason for it.
To be more exact, any kill or other method of competition is the objective of the game.
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2/ For gamers focused on trading and industry (and they also have the right to play the game, PVPers don't own Eve) it is very easy to avoid these systems so the only result is to longer the hauling times. Therefore spoiling the game experience.
That's one big mistake you make here, as do so many others that come to play Eve without knowing what the game is about. Eve was made with a different chalenge in mind. Things like direct competition, corporation warfare, competing for resources and general unsafety are 100% essential to the philosophy behind Eve.
In Eve, there are only coporation members. There is no such thing as 'gamers focusing on one thing only'. Eve's main objective is having fun while operating as a group in a competitive environment.
You cannot come to play Eve and expect your experience to be 'instanced' as in free of detrimental influence by other players. That influence is the whole idea behind Eve as a competitive game.
If being influenced is ruining your game experience you should re-assess your eve subscription or try and see if broadening your activities wouldn't actually make Eve more fun rather then less.
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3/ There is no glory in podding industrial in 0.4. That's why I'm talking about griefing. Pirates in 0.4 are just 2 cents PVPers. So stop walking on the moral high ground and call others whinners. Should I count the number of times pirates whinned on this forum ?
Ok, glory is subjective, but I agree there's no glory in killing shuttles in 0.4 whatsoever. Griefing is another matter altogether however. You see, agression is a tool. Glory is only one of the many reasons for you to use it.
Most pirates do it for the fun and isk. That's totally acceptable within the Eve framework, and indeed part of what makes the game fun. Someone able to deal with that now ahs the advantage of getting to fly a shorter route, great stuff isn't it ?
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4/ It seems quite easy to recover from a security loss. You just have to spend some time killing npc pirates (and btw keep on earning money with bounties). Maybe CCP should make it harder to recover security points and therefore having "professionnal pirates" having -5>-10 security status instead of -1.
You forget one thing. Most '0.4, warp core stabilising griefers' have their base in empire, NOT 0.0. That means that their ability to go chain high end pirate NPC's for the sec gain is very limited, and not without danger at all seeing how the places that consistenly spawn high end stuff are in alliance territory. Alliances aren't likely to like empire space pirates much either.
Security status is quite hard to regain now, and that system works as well as it could at this time.
All in all, you are looking at gameplay in a more traditional perspective in which gamers have some right to playing how they want to.
Eve knows no such thing. Eve is about interaction, and interaction is not just happy singalongs or cooperative play. It's competition as well, if not more so.
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Lord Artemis
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Posted - 2005.08.21 09:15:00 -
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Edited by: Lord Artemis on 21/08/2005 09:16:24
If you would actually attempt to DO something about it instead of whining here you would feel loads better.
Pirates are here to stay, I LOVE the fact that they are -5 you can kill them over and over and noone will help them except other pirates in their corp.
All that mining and trading and your doing what? stroking your wallet. Get a 6-10 carebears together, build some damn ships and attack them. Not one day or one time but hunt the hunters. They love the action too. They kill you cuz you let them kill you thats all. I'm the farthest thing from a pirate and I'm not defending them but boy-howdy do actions speak better than words and damn it feels good 
sincerely,
Lord Artemis
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Trooper B99
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Posted - 2005.08.21 09:21:00 -
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Yeah, you know where the pirate camps are, they'll be in the fast, dangerous low sec routes between the empires. Vecamia, tannolen etc etc etc. Go the longer high sec route and you are safe. . . unless you're at war of/c 
The MC routinely have dealings with the pirates in the low sec camp systems because we of course like the fastest route to our targets. Sometimes we loose a couple intys, but when we do go for them, we do get kills, it's not hard even against multiple BS as long as you're set-up.
Don't complain, use the tools at your disposal.
Avoid. Avoid the pirates by going hi-sec.
Kill. Bring in forces and kill them instead.
Remove. Force them off of the gates and into stations and SS.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.08.21 10:06:00 -
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Originally by: Chargon
Edited by: Chargon on 21/08/2005 07:59:51
Mounting attacks with empire rats is pointless. Everytime We doit they either hide in there stations or log.Empire Pirates and Pirate Corps are nothing more then noob *****s they cant fight anyone with skill. Chances are they couldnt fight there way out of a wet paper bag.
So to say mount a attack is meaningless they always go crawl under a rock. While a few do stay and fight the majority are greifers. the only way I see things could be fixed is give the sentury guns better range. 180km is a decent range. Other then that Our so called Carbears can just flyaround the Dangerouse systems.
Just to make 1 thing clear though roughly 73% of the eve pop are carebears without them Chances are you would have no eve. Count your blessings and show some respect for the carebears.
90% of stats are bull****.
What does a 2 day old alt attack the pirate in? An impairor? Or arent you proud of your main?
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2005.08.21 10:15:00 -
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2/ For gamers focused on trading and industry (and they also have the right to play the game, PVPers don't own Eve) it is very easy to avoid these systems so the only result is to longer the hauling times. Therefore spoiling the game experience.
You really don't understand the concept behind EVE do you?
Longer hauling times = Less risk - Less reward
Shorter hauling times = More risk - More reward
I'd offer you a tech2 tissue for your ruined gaming experience, but you're whining that your "gaming experience" (lol) was ruined because you made a decision to take a risk and discarded the safer alternatives because they take more time.
I suggest that you quit EVE and go back to a more simple game where the difference between PvP and everything else is marked with a thick red line for poor little players that might have their "gaming experience ruined" ( ) and the whole game revolves around grinding and grinding your way up the ladder so you can grind some more.
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Xtci
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Posted - 2005.08.21 22:35:00 -
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LOL you guys are absolutly ridiculous!
"Gather 6-10 of your carebear friends and fight back"
Umm.. here maybe a news flash to you but not everyone has spent their time training fighting skills!
"Stay out of low security sectors"
Fine! But lets have a compromise here.. you want to camp 0.4 sector gates fine. But if you do then lets have some police response if you stay over a certain amount of time. And not just a pittiful response but one that is equivelent to the threat.
Am I a carebear? In your eyes since I don't play this game to blast the helpless newbies or other players then yes I am a carebear. This game has no thrill for me as Macro-using, no skill playing, jerks feel that camping gates and being general morons think it is fun to be social deviants.
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Snaieke
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Posted - 2005.08.21 23:01:00 -
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So let me get this straight. You whine about pirates ruining your gaming experience because YOU fly into lowsec space, even though the risks are totally known. No one makes you fly into these systems, you do it because of the possible reward of doing so.
Now to the issue of pirates ruining your gaming experience. Ever thought that perhaps you could be ruining a pirates gaming experience, which, tbh, it is quite easy to do so.
Then there is the issue of more lowsec systems being added. Well, ever thought that these ystems have been added because they are profitable, because going into them means you can reap the reward, and because the old lowsec areas were rather crowded.
This then again goes back to the risks of lowsec. You all know the risks, you all know what goes on in lowsec, yet you still choose to fly into lowsec, then ***** that you get killed 
My names Blind Lemon Jefferson, 'nd I 'dun plucked out muh eyes fuh Jesus
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Xtci
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Posted - 2005.08.21 23:33:00 -
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Originally by: Snaieke
Then there is the issue of more lowsec systems being added. Well, ever thought that these ystems have been added because they are profitable, because going into them means you can reap the reward, and because the old lowsec areas were rather crowded.
Crowded? BS!!! You get 6 guys in a sector camping the only two gates and that sector is crowded?
So for the enjoyment of 6 people you make the sector unusable for the 100's of other players who may want to use it.
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Wendat Huron
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Posted - 2005.08.21 23:42:00 -
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What happened to .4 and below anyways, where's the jaspet?
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Nafri
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Posted - 2005.08.21 23:54:00 -
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you can always convo us and pay us to pass 
and no, most of our guys have between 20-35mio SP, so we are decently skilled for sure
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Lord Artemis
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Posted - 2005.08.21 23:57:00 -
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"Umm.. here maybe a news flash to you but not everyone has spent their time training fighting skills!"
I'll bet you were hoping this was gonna put the nail in the coffin for your argument, however,
The game (if not at war) has given you 0.5 ^, Stay there and only there and you will be safe. No ebil  <yarr>
The rest of the game is a bunch of areas consisting of higher rewards and higher risk.
Leaving hi-sec = your choice!
not training any combat skills in a combat game 
<snicker> hang on.... <snort>... ok I'm back sorry <ahem> again = your choice!
Don't be ****ed at everyone else in the game because you screwed up. Each of us has the same game and the same access to resources etc. Unfortunately for some the game will make you think for yourself. I'm sorry you got the short end of the stick there and I realize your vastly outmatched there. Kick your dad in the nuts, its his fault anyway.
*Initiate a new system with rubber padding on all ships and objects, replace weapons with bubble blowers and two buttons "STOP" and "GO"*
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Xtci
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Posted - 2005.08.21 23:58:00 -
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Originally by: Nafri
you can always convo us and pay us to pass
and no, most of our guys have between 20-35mio SP, so we are decently skilled for sure
LOL!!!
Last 0.4 sector I entered (for an level 1 agent mission) I got jumped at the gate. They did not even ask for anything just started blasting. Convo to pay and pass indeed! You have maybe 30sec before they start blasting away.
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Lord Artemis
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Posted - 2005.08.22 00:01:00 -
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Those of you that want instant gratification and an easy boring mundane game. Leave now it is your only hope. More chaos, bigger losses, bigger gains, more pirates, and more fun is all that remains down the road. I love it.
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Xtci
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Posted - 2005.08.22 00:01:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Artemis
Leaving hi-sec = your choice!
not training any combat skills in a combat game
<snicker> hang on.... <snort>... ok I'm back sorry <ahem> again = your choice!
LOL see that is your problem! You think this is only a combat game! Last time I checked there were three available career paths when you created a character. Combat, Trader, and Miner (Scientist died long ago)
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Xtci
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Posted - 2005.08.22 00:06:00 -
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Edited by: Xtci on 22/08/2005 00:06:31
Originally by: Lord Artemis
Those of you that want instant gratification and an easy boring mundane game. Leave now it is your only hope.
Yup that is exactly what EVE has become for the miner/trader. Why because they are forced to mine in high security sectors with little risk. Because to move out of those sectors into the low security sector is like throwing a unarmed cat into a room full of rabid dogs.
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Lord Artemis
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Posted - 2005.08.22 00:11:00 -
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Originally by: Xtci
Originally by: Lord Artemis
Leaving hi-sec = your choice!
not training any combat skills in a combat game
<snicker> hang on.... <snort>... ok I'm back sorry <ahem> again = your choice!
LOL see that is your problem! You think this is only a combat game! Last time I checked there were three available career paths when you created a character. Combat, Trader, and Miner (Scientist died long ago)
If any of these can be done in a station only for the entire time online in eve I would agree.
Your only avoiding the real complaint you have and the source of your whining. You shoot NPC's all the time, in belts, gates, missions, etc. Hmm your not complaining about them, cuz their dumb and easy (fair fight). Now you want to complain because your getting outwitted and outsmarted? God forbid you actually learn lessons along the way and get better. Whats a game with no loss? Oh your not saying no loss are you, just when you don't feel like fighting and want to be left alone. Thats another problem. Too many people in your game messing with you.
Ever play a game and be a pro the first time with no practice or learning? Ever have to work for anything? Ever think?
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2005.08.22 00:26:00 -
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Originally by: PriceScout
I suppose killing carebears is your favorite activity, Digital commie ?
Yep! Right after clubbing baby seals and making bomb threats!
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First it is a good thing to learn how to read. That is useful to answer someone else's post.
Articulation is good too, because I'm simply quoting you. Unless of course thats what you meant and you have no point to make? Yeah.
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What is the higher reward for TRAVELLING in 0.4 ?
It takes less time than going a high-sec route. Time is money.
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Catching people off guard loaded with goodies is a perfect example of grief play. All low sec pirates can't pvp
Complete non-sense. Read what you write.
I agree, it is nonsense! Its also a paraphrasing of your own statements.
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blah blah blah
All this effort spent hammering your keyboard, when you could I don't know.. do something about it?
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Xtci
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Posted - 2005.08.22 00:28:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Artemis
Now you want to complain because your getting outwitted and outsmarted?
LOL yeah it takes alot of smarts to sit and camp a gate with a Battleship!! 6 against 1 yeah takes real wits there. What you *****s are doing doesn't take wits or smarts. Your just being griefing a-holes because you think its fun. You want to use your wits and smarts? Try fighting more of your looser gate camping friends in the 0.0 sectors. Then you can see how much machismo you really have. Fight someone on equal terms with you. Or do you not have the smarts to do that?
But then again if you did that people would know that you really have no skills and are not as smart as you want your buddies to think you are huh! Get a life!
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Kerby Lane
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Posted - 2005.08.22 00:29:00 -
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Pirates in empire has no risk ?
WTF are you talking about guys ?
They are sitting at gate with -5 status and you dont even have to shoot to gank sentry tanker - just use heavy tank + all nosferatus\neutrs in high and warp distruptors in med. Sentrys will do the job.
Snipers - 1 covert ops and one ( insert any close range damager) and they wasted.
I doubt any of the "no risk for empire pirates" type of whiners had actually tried to be pirate or to resist pirates.
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Lord Artemis
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Posted - 2005.08.22 00:29:00 -
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digi & vice,
We normally don't agree on things but I believe we are all gonna have a good laugh on a future post by this guy. "OMFG, war dec'ing a non-pvp corp wtf?"
It's funny he thinks he has it bad now.
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Lord Artemis
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Posted - 2005.08.22 00:33:00 -
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Originally by: Xtci
Originally by: Lord Artemis
Now you want to complain because your getting outwitted and outsmarted?
LOL yeah it takes alot of smarts to sit and camp a gate with a Battleship!! 6 against 1 yeah takes real wits there. What you *****s are doing doesn't take wits or smarts. Your just being griefing a-holes because you think its fun. You want to use your wits and smarts? Try fighting more of your looser gate camping friends in the 0.0 sectors. Then you can see how much machismo you really have. Fight someone on equal terms with you. Or do you not have the smarts to do that?
But then again if you did that people would know that you really have no skills and are not as smart as you want your buddies to think you are huh! Get a life!
You've never been to 0.0 so don't act like you have a good reference or point to make there.
Pirates in empire would be jobless and yes have to quit pirating if people like you would wise up, but Noooo, you gotta keep going back and getting killed. Thanks to people like you there will never be a shortage of kills for pirates. I am not a pirate, never have been, I do however understand them and have learned something from experience, your just not there yet. <pats your lil head>
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Kerby Lane
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Posted - 2005.08.22 00:35:00 -
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Originally by: Xtci
Originally by: Lord Artemis
Now you want to complain because your getting outwitted and outsmarted?
LOL yeah it takes alot of smarts to sit and camp a gate with a Battleship!! 6 against 1 yeah takes real wits there. What you *****s are doing doesn't take wits or smarts. Your just being griefing a-holes because you think its fun. You want to use your wits and smarts? Try fighting more of your looser gate camping friends in the 0.0 sectors. Then you can see how much machismo you really have. Fight someone on equal terms with you. Or do you not have the smarts to do that?
But then again if you did that people would know that you really have no skills and are not as smart as you want your buddies to think you are huh! Get a life!
I sell good clues, want some ?
1. In most aliance 0.0 pirates will be outblobbed 3 to one in matter of minutes. Also pirates do it for isk so whats the point to move in 0.0 if money are in empire ?
Full hauler of ark had no value in 0.0 anyway and not too many agent runners CN Ravens flying around.
2. They organise a camp with couple of mates and wtfpwn people like you. They make an effort and paly as a team. Why cant you do the same ? If you cant that mean they outsmarted you.
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Xtci
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Posted - 2005.08.22 00:40:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Artemis
You've never been to 0.0 so don't act like you have a good reference or point to make there.
Are you so sure? In fact I have been to 0.0 space several times but that was prior to gate camping, no skill, hacks like you joined the game.
And those morons who are gate camping could not kill me now even if they wanted too.
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Kerby Lane
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Posted - 2005.08.22 00:42:00 -
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Chargon:
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Mounting attacks with empire rats is pointless. Everytime We doit they either hide in there stations or log.Empire Pirates and Pirate Corps are nothing more then noob *****s they cant fight anyone with skill.
no.
Typical alt bs without any facts.
Many of pirate corps are not noobs in any sense and empire pirates do fight. Come to Sniggs - they will.
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Lord Artemis
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Posted - 2005.08.22 00:48:00 -
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Originally by: Xtci
Originally by: Lord Artemis
You've never been to 0.0 so don't act like you have a good reference or point to make there.
Are you so sure? In fact I have been to 0.0 space several times but that was prior to gate camping, no skill, hacks like you joined the game.
And those morons who are gate camping could not kill me now even if they wanted too.
In bold: no wonder your getting owned you can't even get things straight in your head much less in game.
Now your changing your tune, now the could not kill you if they wanted to? just before your ****ed because they are killing you?
Chose a side stick with it, choose your ***** and complaint and stick with it. Don't come in here now and act all uber. (hundreds of millions of sperm and YOU were the quickest?)
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Xtci
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Posted - 2005.08.22 00:54:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Artemis
In bold: no wonder your getting owned you can't even get things straight in your head much less in game.
LOL You are so sure of your facts? You have no clue who I am yet you have the balls to think that I am some newbie.
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Now your changing your tune, now the could not kill you if they wanted to? just before your ****ed because they are killing you?
No I am complaining that these gate camping hacks are making sectors unplayable for the 100's of other players out there.
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Chose a side stick with it, choose your ***** and complaint and stick with it. Don't come in here now and act all uber.
Never said I was "uber" just said I have the skills to keep these gate camping hacks from killing me.
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(hundreds of millions of sperm and YOU were the quickest?)
Look in the mirror! Aren't you glad your parents didn't use a rubber! Didn't I see your face on the poster for birth control?
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Lord Artemis
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Posted - 2005.08.22 00:58:00 -
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Another look at risk vs. reward:
Risks: going into a battle of wits unarmed
not being able to adapt to changes in an enviroment
letting everyone else do the work for you
Rewards: lessons learned
adapting
thinking
putting in effort
where do you fit?
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Lord Artemis
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Posted - 2005.08.22 01:03:00 -
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"Look in the mirror! Aren't you glad your parents didn't use a rubber!"-well... yea, duh! - I rest my case, your problem is acting without thinking. Nothing can save you now.
This is my main, come get me.
p.s. using the word "hack" does not add any validity to your argument.
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Nafri
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Posted - 2005.08.22 01:11:00 -
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you can contact any of our campers with a conversation
but after all, passing wont be cheap either
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