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Krulla	Posted - 2005.08.22 01:12:00 - [61] People like Xtci make reading these boards funny. Thank you Xtci. Respect the Domi. Or else.
Krulla	Posted - 2005.08.22 01:13:00 - [62] Originally by: Xtci Originally by: Lord Artemis p.s. using the word "hack" does not add any validity to your argument. And attacking someones intelligence or parentage because they don't agree with you does nothing for your argument! I belive you are the one attacking people for their intelligence and parentage becouse they dont agree with you? Sure haven't seen anyone else do it in this thread. Respect the Domi. Or else.
RedlegSA	Posted - 2005.08.22 01:18:00 - [63] You guys complaining just need to find friendlier pirates. My Pirates have the highest rated customer service - providing ship destruction in less than one minute, advanced escape prevention, and award winning banter after the job is complete. Its just part of the game. I decided to risk the travel through .3 knowing that might happen. I just have to go arround or counter somehow. I wouldent change it. Thanks for not podding me Kranival of Death
Xtci	Posted - 2005.08.22 01:25:00 - [64] Edited by: Xtci on 22/08/2005 01:25:18 stupid double post
Xtci	Posted - 2005.08.22 01:25:00 - [65] Edited by: Xtci on 22/08/2005 01:26:08 Originally by: Krulla I belive you are the one attacking people for their intelligence and parentage becouse they dont agree with you? Sure haven't seen anyone else do it in this thread. Originally by: Lord Artemis Kick your dad in the nuts, its his fault anyway. Hmm sounds like an attack on my parentage. Originally by: Lord Artemis Now you want to complain because your getting outwitted and outsmarted? Hmm is he talking about my intelligence? maybe? maybe not. Originally by: Lord Artemis <pats your lil head> Now he is clearly attacking my intelligence. until I was attacked directly I was making comments and attacking those folk who camp gates in general. No one directly. Lord Artemis made this personal not me.
Toots Magoo	Posted - 2005.08.22 01:41:00 - [66] Originally by: Xtci Edited by: Xtci on 22/08/2005 01:25:18 stupid double post This guy is funny, I only wish you would put as much effort in your game as you do your foruming. I have traveled thru most of eve for over a year now. I have yet to be podded or lost a ship. I am the queen of the carebears, and the only difference between you and me is that I asked around about low sec and how to avoid it before I got myself into trouble. Your also not very consistent on your stance in the matter, you complained about pirates killing others, but you are very emotional for someone who "claims" that you can avoid them. hee hee For the record I am distancing myself and letting everyone know that these two whiners are the minority, the rest of us have learned from mistakes or close calls.
Xtci	Posted - 2005.08.22 01:51:00 - [67] Edited by: Xtci on 22/08/2005 01:51:50 Originally by: Toots Magoo This guy is funny, I only wish you would put as much effort in your game as you do your foruming. Actually I do. Quote: I have yet to be podded or lost a ship. I have only lost one ship in my EVE career and that was real early on when I was exploring 0.0 space. Quote: I am the queen of the carebears, and the only difference between you and me is that I asked around about low sec and how to avoid it before I got myself into trouble. And you think I do not? Quote: Your also not very consistent on your stance in the matter, you complained about pirates killing others, but you are very emotional for someone who "claims" that you can avoid them. hee hee I am consistant in my stance. I can avoid them and do whenever I have to. I complain because it is this kind of action that I so openly hate. I complained when MOO was camping newbie areas in the beginning even tho I was not effected. Just because you are not effected directly does not mean that you have no right to complain about something you find unjust.
Lord Artemis	Posted - 2005.08.22 01:57:00 - [68] You had your chance to be sensible, I'm a reactionary. You start it I finish it. You would have had better luck offering advice to the noober that posted in the first place, instead you chose to join in the whining band wagon. Hiding behind and alt only proves what kind of person you are. As to your accusation about attacking your intelligence? I did, you surely deserved it, and your come back line... thank you for reinforcing my point. Your suggestion in the beginning is to have the game take care of the pirates for you. What else you want? A white flag hi slot mod? ___________________________ Aegis Militia Conclave official representative
Xtci	Posted - 2005.08.22 02:09:00 - [69] Originally by: Lord Artemis Hiding behind and alt only proves what kind of person you are. LOL Hide behind an Alt? How do you know that this is not my main character? You seem to think you know alot about me. Please quit making assumptions about me. You need to come to grips with the fact that not everyone enjoys playing this game to kill other players! And because we don't does not make our concerns any more less valid than yours. Quote: Your suggestion in the beginning is to have the game take care of the pirates for you. What else you want? A white flag hi slot mod? Please reread my suggestion! I stated: Originally by: Xtci you want to camp 0.4 sector gates fine. But if you do then lets have some police response if you stay over a certain amount of time. And not just a pittiful response but one that is equivelent to the threat. You want risk vs reward! So do I! Presently there is no or very little risk for gate camping, regardless of what you may think. I know you will come back with the argument that we could always go get a group of carebear friends together and try to break the camp. Then I will respond that unlike you we did not spend our time training combat skills. Then you will state that is our fault. yadda yadda yadda Sound familiar?
Lord Artemis	Posted - 2005.08.22 02:18:00 - [70] Your wrong to assume (the side your choosing to defend) that "hey, I'm just passing thru." deserves special treatment. You don't have to live or stay for a long time in a bad neighborhood to get shot. And if you want to survive low sec you have to at least train defenses. You can't go 100% non combat and expect to fly through low sec. These kind generally only train enough combat to fight NPC's in missions and when a real player and a real challenge is in their face they curl up in a ball and cry. Pirates weed out the weak and the strong survive. If you are weak you will die. ___________________________ Aegis Militia Conclave official representative
Lord Artemis	Posted - 2005.08.22 02:23:00 - [71] This is your main, this is your alt, this is your 2nd account. Doesn't mean squat unless you can back it up. Your entire reply batch has put you into 2 categories. 1) your truly a noob and you will learn eventually 2) your not a noob and will never learn either way it does not matter as long as you keep jumping around and changing your words and going in circles. at least i have stood my ground on my feelings. ___________________________ Aegis Militia Conclave official representative
Kerby Lane	Posted - 2005.08.22 02:25:00 - [72] Originally by: Xtci You want risk vs reward! So do I! Presently there is no or very little risk for gate camping, regardless of what you may think. I know you will come back with the argument that we could always go get a group of carebear friends together and try to break the camp. Then I will respond that unlike you we did not spend our time training combat skills. Then you will state that is our fault. yadda yadda yadda Sound familiar? How do you know if you have never pve let alone pvp ? You dont have any standings ( assuming you are the main that means no pve) and you lost only one ship for the whole life - that means you have never pvp. So I doubt you have any experience and expertise so you`ll be better speaking about something else.
Xtci	Posted - 2005.08.22 02:28:00 - [73] Originally by: Lord Artemis Your wrong to assume (the side your choosing to defend) that "hey, I'm just passing thru." deserves special treatment. Who said they deserve "special treatment". I think they should get equal treatment. As a combat player you get rewards for killing NPC's or players in the form of equipment you can use. But these players are taking the easy way out. Low risk for high reward.
Xtci	Posted - 2005.08.22 02:33:00 - [74] Originally by: Kerby Lane How do you know if you have never pve let alone pvp ? You dont have any standings ( assuming you are the main that means no pve) and you lost only one ship for the whole life - that means you have never pvp. So I doubt you have any experience and expertise so you`ll be better speaking about something else.[/quote LOL this is exactly why I post with this character. Do I have experience with PvE? Yes lots. Do I have experience with PvP? Again yes lots. What does that have to do with the issue we are discussing here? And seeing as how your character was created on 2004.07.09 what makes you some kind of expert? See I can use the ingame tools too.
Xtci	Posted - 2005.08.22 02:38:00 - [75] Originally by: Lord Artemis This is your main, this is your alt, this is your 2nd account. Doesn't mean squat unless you can back it up. Your entire reply batch has put you into 2 categories. 1) your truly a noob and you will learn eventually 2) your not a noob and will never learn either way it does not matter as long as you keep jumping around and changing your words and going in circles. at least i have stood my ground on my feelings. And what lesson is it you think I should learn? That unless I join the ranks of the combat fighter I have no purpose in playing this game? I can not truely be having fun mining or trading? I have not jumped around about my feelings on this matter. Gate camping is wrong and should be fixed. People who do so are not "skilled" (in my eyes) they are just looking for the easy loot. Police presence in 0.4 and lower sectors should be increased to deal with gate campers with a delay proportionate to the security rating of the system. But said presence should be sufficent to handle the threat.
Tenacha Khan	Posted - 2005.08.22 02:51:00 - [76] Take a look at this link here if you think there is no risk in pirating. Well thats Zarquon who is a bit crazier than most. First loss for me in the TeddyDragon empire tour was on my first nite in empire sniping Aunenen. Roving guns jump in warp on top of meh and kahboom, went by in secs. 2005.08.16 01:17:00 Victim: Tenacha Khan Alliance: Unknown Corporation: TunDraGon Destroyed Type: Megathron Solar System: Aunenen System Security Level: 0.4 Involved parties: Name: LEXER (laid the final blow) Security Status: 1.4 Alliance: Unknown Corporation: Roving Guns Inc. Ship Type: Raven Weapon Type: Mjolnir Torpedo I Name: Bas4x4 Security Status: 3.9 Alliance: Unknown Corporation: Roving Guns Inc. Ship Type: Cerberus Weapon Type: Unknown Name: lunghammer Security Status: 3.7 Alliance: Unknown Corporation: Roving Guns Inc. Ship Type: Dominix Weapon Type: Unknown Name: Fafhrd Security Status: 0.7 Alliance: Unknown Corporation: Roving Guns Inc. Ship Type: Kestrel Weapon Type: Unknown Name: Redd Dogg Security Status: 5.0 Alliance: Unknown Corporation: Roving Guns Inc. Ship Type: Crow Weapon Type: Unknown Name: Kalixa Hihro Security Status: 0.2 Alliance: Unknown Corporation: Roving Guns Inc. Ship Type: Maulus Weapon Type: Unknown And yay for lag 2005.08.16 01:18:00 Victim: Tenacha Khan Alliance: Unknown Corporation: TunDraGon Destroyed Type: Capsule Solar System: Aunenen System Security Level: 0.4 Involved parties: Name: lunghammer (laid the final blow) Security Status: 3.7 Alliance: Unknown Corporation: Roving Guns Inc. Ship Type: Dominix Weapon Type: 425mm Railgun I Name: Bas4x4 Security Status: 3.9 Alliance: Unknown Corporation: Roving Guns Inc. Ship Type: Cerberus Weapon Type: Unknown Or tanking at gate with Torpedo2k, i was tanking sentrys and a nossing hac with a af buddy get up close, we cant hit and he keeps me scrambled till sentrys own me 2005.08.19 02:36:00 Victim: Tenacha Khan Alliance: Unknown Corporation: TunDraGon Destroyed Type: Megathron Solar System: Tannolen System Security Level: 0.3 Involved parties: Name: Caldari State Name: Spilner (laid the final blow) Security Status: 0.8 Alliance: Unknown Corporation: Genesis Knights Ship Type: Harpy Weapon Type: 125mm Railgun II Name: Yeux Gris Security Status: -0.5 Alliance: Unknown Corporation: Four Horsemen Ship Type: Sacrilege Weapon Type: Unknown Name: CONCORD So ya still think there is no risk in pirating??? And thats just in the space of a damm week
Lord Artemis	Posted - 2005.08.22 03:08:00 - [77] "People who do so are not "skilled" (in my eyes) they are just looking for the easy loot." Again you want the game to protect you. Next you'll want a "911" module to call in concord to destroy anyone that attacks you. Ok, I'll play along. What is your goal in eve? Your road makes you rich but not powerful. As soon as you have a nice chunk of isk and assets, your gonna get war-dec'd, then what? Hire mercenaries? They will cost you money too. If you can't take care of yourself and are unwilling to learn you will be destined to hate this game. Keep running your mouth, you know you won't post with your main character because you know saying what you say will invite all the pirates you tweaked off to stomp a mud hole in your backside. I have proven I stand by my words by posting with my main and reaping the consequences of my statements. ___________________________ Aegis Militia Conclave official representative
Xtci	Posted - 2005.08.22 03:09:00 - [78] Originally by: Tenacha Khan So ya still think there is no risk in pirating??? And thats just in the space of a damm week Wow in a week you managed to get 2 Megathrons destroyed. Over 200million isk just in ships and the post you linked to the guy lost what 6 ships. You must really think that miners make lots and lots of isk. You get no sympathy from me. Yeah it looks like the pirates life is a cash cow. So just how many ships do you own? For the record nonmegacorporation miners and traders are not cash cows. We for the most part are poor as dirt. I end up saving up just enough to by the next BP I want so that I can sell the output for less than I would get for the minerals but hey I find that fun because I get to make stuff. If you were to destroy my ship it could take me weeks to get back to the point I was prior to your actions. But hey you don't care because gate camping is fun for you.
Xtci	Posted - 2005.08.22 03:11:00 - [79] Originally by: Lord Artemis Ok, I'll play along. What is your goal in eve? My goals in EVE? Simple I want to have fun. For me this means getting to build new stuff.
Kerby Lane	Posted - 2005.08.22 03:16:00 - [80] Edited by: Kerby Lane on 22/08/2005 03:17:07 Ok. I suggest you do decide who are you: 1. Uber pvp er 2. Carebear. Basically you tell opposite facts every answer so I dont have any reason to beleive you. here some quotes: quote from previous answer: Quote: I have only lost one ship in my EVE career and that was real early on when I was exploring 0.0 space. Quote: X: I am the queen of the carebears, ... XtcI: And you think I do not?" Answer to me: Originally by: Xtci Do I have experience with PvP? Again yes lots. What does that have to do with the issue we are discussing here?
Mysticaa	Posted - 2005.08.22 03:23:00 - [81] Originally by: Kerby Lane Edited by: Kerby Lane on 22/08/2005 03:17:07 Ok. I suggest you do decide who are you: 1. Uber pvp er 2. Carebear. Basically you tell opposite facts every answer so I dont have any reason to beleive you. here some quotes: quote from previous answer: Quote: I have only lost one ship in my EVE career and that was real early on when I was exploring 0.0 space. Quote: X: I am the queen of the carebears, ... XtcI: And you think I do not?" So I don't see the contradiction here? I lost one ship in 0.0 space while I was exploring roid belts. I got jumped while in my Velator and it got easily destroyed by the npc pirates of the system. Quote: Answer to me: Originally by: Xtci Do I have experience with PvP? Again yes lots. What does that have to do with the issue we are discussing here? Having experience with PvP does not equate to losing ships. And again I never said I was an uber pvper. I have enough skill to keep myself from being killed by a pvper if I am in that situation. And just so Lord DoDo will get off my back here is my main.
Kerby Lane	Posted - 2005.08.22 03:27:00 - [82] So basically your pvp experience were running from pvp`ers ? I have experience with production and trade then as I buy stuff from market. I also professional miner as I saw miners in belts and even escorted them sometimes.
Kerby Lane	Posted - 2005.08.22 03:32:00 - [83] ROFLMAO Quote: LOL Hide behind an Alt? How do you know that this is not my main character? You seem to think you know alot about me. Please quit making assumptions about me. Originally by: Mysticaa And just so Lord DoDo will get off my back here is my main.
Mysticaa	Posted - 2005.08.22 03:35:00 - [84] Edited by: Mysticaa on 22/08/2005 03:35:33 Originally by: Kerby Lane So basically your pvp experience were running from pvp`ers ? Your assumptions are faulty again. Again you associate having ships destroyed with pvp experience. And if you have not had ships destroyed then your pvp experience must be just in running away. My pvp experience is like it is because the bozos who challenged me were flying in inferior ships and/or had no skills. My grandmother could have beat them.
Lord Artemis	Posted - 2005.08.22 03:37:00 - [85] "I am the queen of the carebears, ..." I think thats Toots Magoo I don't remember him saying it. What advantage do pirates really have? They , thru choice, decided to train combat and are enjoying themselves. They can not fly anything you cannot. (minus what skills you didn't choose to train) They sit at a distance from the gate. You too can fly out to those distances. Bottom line is you enjoy the stuff you do. It's ok by the rules, no problem. Pirates enjoy the stuff they do. It's ok by the rules, no problem. I enjoy what I do. It's ok by the rules, no problem. Your flaw in logic is that pirates are ruining non-combatants game. That's one sided. Ever think that maybe your ruining their game? No your not, why? because they know that you won't do anything about it except here. There has to be balance. Your not asking or promoting balance your asking for favoritism. What is low-sec w/o risk? You can't put a timer on camping either. Pirates (this is why I could never do it) sit there for hours and hours sometimes trying to get a kill. And they have repercussions to their actions. Many times we have gone thru a low sec system. Waited at a gate for stragglers. And wham a pirate jumps in. We blow him & his pod up. Why? cuz he's ebil and he has accepted the risk of being so. Come complain when your in hi-sec and get ganked. Otherwise leave low-sec alone. The name alone should be enough reason for you to understand its purpose. There is also several ways around low-sec. Yes they are longer, but you can travel (not at war) afk for the whole trip and come back when your done. Don't hate those you can't outwit or beat. Don't whine if you have a better solution other than the game doing it for you. Don't try to change the greatest aspect of this game. ___________________________ Aegis Militia Conclave official representative
Xtci	Posted - 2005.08.22 03:39:00 - [86] Originally by: Kerby Lane ROFLMAO Quote: LOL Hide behind an Alt? How do you know that this is not my main character? You seem to think you know alot about me. Please quit making assumptions about me. Originally by: Mysticaa And just so Lord DoDo will get off my back here is my main. I'm glad you find this funny but since when does a person have to post with one character or another. This character is the character I post of the forums I play another ingame. I play another entirely on Monday and Wednesday. So what character is my main the one I play Saturday and Sunday? The one I play on Monday and Wednesday? or the one I post with? But you guys are not happy unless I post the one I have the most SP with are you.
Tenacha Khan	Posted - 2005.08.22 03:41:00 - [87] Originally by: Xtci Originally by: Tenacha Khan So ya still think there is no risk in pirating??? And thats just in the space of a damm week Wow in a week you managed to get 2 Megathrons destroyed. Over 200million isk just in ships and the post you linked to the guy lost what 6 ships. You must really think that miners make lots and lots of isk. You get no sympathy from me. Yeah it looks like the pirates life is a cash cow. So just how many ships do you own? For the record nonmegacorporation miners and traders are not cash cows. We for the most part are poor as dirt. I end up saving up just enough to by the next BP I want so that I can sell the output for less than I would get for the minerals but hey I find that fun because I get to make stuff. If you were to destroy my ship it could take me weeks to get back to the point I was prior to your actions. But hey you don't care because gate camping is fun for you. You said there was no risk in pirating, Im telling you there is Risk V reward ... ya know what that means? I take risks to get better rewards. So ofcourse I can replace a battleship. But your ships dont get destroyed, thats why you make no isk, as your not getting rewarded for taking risks. Look at the likes of Jericho faction who were mostly indy hauler traders (before castor patch), they used to haul through pirate blocades and warzones in venal/pureblind to make isk. They made a tonne of cash in their risky business. YaY for riskVreward But you wouldnt understand that cause you seem to take as little risk as possible while spending ur time trying to belittle the people that do.
Xtci	Posted - 2005.08.22 03:54:00 - [88] Originally by: Lord Artemis Bottom line is you enjoy the stuff you do. It's ok by the rules, no problem. Pirates enjoy the stuff they do. It's ok by the rules, no problem. I enjoy what I do. It's ok by the rules, no problem. Your flaw in logic is that pirates are ruining non-combatants game. That's one sided. Ever think that maybe your ruining their game? No your not, why? because they know that you won't do anything about it except here. LOL Talk about faulty logic. Just because they won't (or maybe can not) do anything about it does not make what they are doing right. And just because our present rules does not outlaw it does not mean that it is right either. Quote: There has to be balance. Your not asking or promoting balance your asking for favoritism. What is low-sec w/o risk? You can't put a timer on camping either. Pirates (this is why I could never do it) sit there for hours and hours sometimes trying to get a kill. And they have repercussions to their actions. Many times we have gone thru a low sec system. Waited at a gate for stragglers. And wham a pirate jumps in. We blow him & his pod up. Why? cuz he's ebil and he has accepted the risk of being so. I am asking for balance here. You say he may be sitting there for hours and hours waiting for something to kill. Then he/she should move to a sector that is more populated. What he is truely doing is sitting there waiting for the easy kill hoping for the big payout. And why can we not put a timer on camping? Many games have. They have seen that people who camp are not playing the game as it was intended and have discuraged it. What I am asking for will not discourage players if they are truely there to have fun. You camp the gate with 3 BS for an hour (arbitrary time here) and a force of concord BS equal in number (and skill)come to chase you off. You defeat the police then fine you get to keep your camp for the next amount of time, however the next force that comes will be slightly larger. For every action there should be an equal reaction. Same with the carebear miners. They kill off the smuglers in a 0.5 sector then the next time they come they will have more backup until they force the miners to leave the belt. Quote: Come complain when your in hi-sec and get ganked. Otherwise leave low-sec alone. The name alone should be enough reason for you to understand its purpose. There is also several ways around low-sec. Yes they are longer, but you can travel (not at war) afk for the whole trip and come back when your done. Don't hate those you can't outwit or beat. Don't whine if you have a better solution other than the game doing it for you. Don't try to change the greatest aspect of this game. Greatest aspect of the game? what beating up on the helpless?
Hans Rex	Posted - 2005.08.22 04:04:00 - [89] Its all good. Hard to call it griefing if its within the game mechanics. Gate camping is just another challange. The game is huge. Its easy to play any style in EVE. I suppose if people wanted, they could band together and clear the gates. Much in the same fashion as the blues VS reds in UO.
Tenacha Khan	Posted - 2005.08.22 04:09:00 - [90] Originally by: Xtci Originally by: Tenacha Khan But you wouldnt understand that cause you seem to take as little risk as possible while spending ur time trying to belittle the people that do. I have no problem with people who take high risk getting high reward but that is not what we are talking about. We are talking about people camping gates and killing the defensless because they can get the huge isk. Low risk for high reward. Ill just point it out to you that loosing our ships is the risk, and as I already posted loss mails, you can see this happens. Honestly, I didnt make up the lossmail

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