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Wodensun
ZeroSec
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Posted - 2013.03.15 16:58:00 -
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I was EVIL long before I met eve... kinda felt like I came home... |
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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
481

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Posted - 2013.03.15 17:24:00 -
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Oh, really?  ISD LackOfFaith Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Totalrx
NA No Assholes
85
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Posted - 2013.03.15 17:24:00 -
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Remember -
Evil spelled backwards is Live.
We all want to live don't we? |

Mhax Arthie
Pagan INC
46
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Posted - 2013.03.15 17:44:00 -
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Totalrx wrote:Remember -
Evil spelled backwards is Live.
We all want to live don't we? False. A lot of people think that life after death is the real one. Many horny dudes believe that death will bring them a LOT of chicks and finally they will get laid. :D
It's fun as long is't about a game, sadly not many can make a difference between a virtual world and reality :/ James gang is a real example where those ganked cannot accept that all they lost is some fukin pixels, not their real car/home or whatever. Really sad. |

Savnire Jacitu
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
109
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Posted - 2013.03.15 17:46:00 -
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I may have been evil already but I still remain a generous benefactor in other games.
And I would like to reinforce what other people have been saying here, just cause I steal and murder in a game does not and should not reflected on my moral code that I follow in reality. If you think that you are confined to playing a game with the same moral codes you champion in your life you are missing the point of the whole"escape reality" that games allow. But hey, sand box. Play it the way you want to play it.
Well I'm off to donate blood and then murder some over tursting people.(I really am donating blood btw, not saying this is the pinnacle of good deeds but it fits the argument kind ofish. <corrupt> |

Maxpie
Metaphysical Utopian Society Explorations
260
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Posted - 2013.03.15 20:28:00 -
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I think the interwebs in general (including Eve) bring out many (not all) people's true selves due to the anonymity. Kind of like the guy who refuses to give up his seat on the bus to an elderly person, but if his friends or family were with him, he'd make a big show of giving them the seat. Or someone who road rages and cuts people off while driving alone, but would never act like that with others in the car.
No good deed goes unpunished |

Whitehound
1213
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Posted - 2013.03.15 21:33:00 -
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Maxpie wrote:I think the interwebs in general (including Eve) bring out many (not all) people's true selves due to the anonymity. Kind of like the guy who refuses to give up his seat on the bus to an elderly person, but if his friends or family were with him, he'd make a big show of giving them the seat. Or someone who road rages and cuts people off while driving alone, but would never act like that with others in the car. It does not mean we are different.
I cannot say much about the thing with the elderly. I do it all the time, because it is ballsy and I love giving elderly women my seat (though not when the bus is half empty). It puts a smile on most of their faces. I give it to men, too, but they need to ask and so not to embarrass them. So I am not sure where you think this has to do with some kind of show.
I sure drive a car differently when I am alone than when I have others with me, because I am responsible for their safety, which is not what I have to do when I drive alone. It does not mean I have road rage. I only do not want to be bothered by passengers about my driving and so I drive to satisfies them (not so much myself) and to keep my focus where it should be. I believe I am a better driver when I drive alone, but I am also not a bad driver when I have others with me.
You make it sound like we are all a version Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, which really was just a movie/novell. I do not think this is true. The Internet only makes it all more visible to us and allows us to reflect upon ourselves more easily. This can be surprising and new even when we only see ourselves, maybe for the first time. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |

Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog
Homowners
45
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Posted - 2013.03.15 21:55:00 -
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EVE doesn't make you evil - like everyone else said, that's what the internet/online gaming makes you do.
EVE takes the natural percentage of online evil and narrows it down solely to those who are masochistic. Miners who stare at rocks for hours, "PvPers" who will spend two hours jumping from gate to gate to gate to gate just looking for "PvP," industrialists who spend more time plotting isk investments than planning for their own RL retirement, gankers who desperately hope their next target will give them "tears" (or, barring that, at least some sort of feedback that will at least acknowledge their existence).
And when that's not enough, you can always make an alt. Then another alt. Then another one.
The world would be a far better place if EVE truly was the definition of the word "evil"  |

Maxpie
Metaphysical Utopian Society Explorations
261
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Posted - 2013.03.15 23:04:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Maxpie wrote:I think the interwebs in general (including Eve) bring out many (not all) people's true selves due to the anonymity. Kind of like the guy who refuses to give up his seat on the bus to an elderly person, but if his friends or family were with him, he'd make a big show of giving them the seat. Or someone who road rages and cuts people off while driving alone, but would never act like that with others in the car. It does not mean we are different. I cannot say much about the thing with the elderly. I do it all the time, because it is ballsy and I love giving elderly women my seat (though not when the bus is half empty). It puts a smile on most of their faces. I give it to men, too, but they need to ask and so not to embarrass them. So I am not sure where you think this has to do with some kind of show. I sure drive a car differently when I am alone than when I have others with me, because I am responsible for their safety, which is not what I have to do when I drive alone. It does not mean I have road rage. I only do not want to be bothered by passengers about my driving and so I drive to satisfies them (not so much myself) and to keep my focus where it should be. I believe I am a better driver when I drive alone, but I am also not a bad driver when I have others with me. You make it sound like we are all a version Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, which really was just a movie/novell. I do not think this is true. The Internet only makes it all more visible to us and allows us to reflect upon ourselves more easily. This can be surprising and new even when we only see ourselves, maybe for the first time.
I think you are (deliberately?) missing the point. Also, I said many, not all people.
No good deed goes unpunished |

Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
402
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Posted - 2013.03.16 04:31:00 -
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Savnire Jacitu wrote:My name Savnire Jacitu, I am Evil and proud of it. Today in Wisconsin a young woman was being kicked to death by her 200 lbs plus gorilla of an ex-boyfriend. A passerby in a car saw this and stopped. The kicking man, taller and heavier than the passerby, refused to be deterred when confronted. Finally, the passerby pull out his conceal carry hand gun...made possible by the newly legislated conceal carry law in Wisconsin. The kicking man came at the now gun wielding passerby...who shouted that he would kill him if he took one more step. The woman's life was saved.
Who was evil here? Some would say the man carrying a gun because, "guns kill people". Others will blame Wisconsin for changing their law... the kicking man would probably say his girlfriend was evil...at the same time the woman would say it was her ex. My point, evil is relative and contingent on perspective. Mostly everyone is righteous in their own mind. Anyone claiming to be evil is probably not an authentic person. Ultimately judgment of who is evil is the purview of God alone. -á-á- remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not-á "afk" cloaking-á-
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
3955
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Posted - 2013.03.16 08:53:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:I got banned from WoW forums for a post that by EVE standards was very helpful and informative.
Does that make me evil or good?
I have been permabanned and an admin personally beaten me, for a particularly helpful and in depth technical post on the Warhammer Forums. I can't even play some EA games any more, they banned me so hard I can't enter their websites  Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Whitehound
1215
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Posted - 2013.03.16 09:43:00 -
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Maxpie wrote:I think you are (deliberately?) missing the point. Also, I said many, not all people. Your point was that we have a true (and untrue) self. I am saying that it is not the case. We merely adapt. But, if it makes you happy to believe in a Jekyll and Mr. Hide version of ourselves then do not let me stop you. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |

Balthisus Filtch
RISE Inc.
37
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Posted - 2013.03.16 10:21:00 -
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As long as you remember you are role playing then no problem good stuff 
You can tell from the forums that a lot of people find it difficult to turn off from role playing an asshat and continue to post like an asshat.
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KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
42
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Posted - 2013.03.16 10:23:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Mara Rinn wrote:I got banned from WoW forums for a post that by EVE standards was very helpful and informative.
Does that make me evil or good?
I have been permabanned and an admin personally beaten me, for a particularly helpful and in depth technical post on the Warhammer Forums. I can't even play some EA games any more, they banned me so hard I can't enter their websites to i.e. resub 
Wut? |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
8176
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Posted - 2013.03.16 10:31:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Mara Rinn wrote:I got banned from WoW forums for a post that by EVE standards was very helpful and informative.
Does that make me evil or good?
I have been permabanned and an admin personally beaten me, for a particularly helpful and in depth technical post on the Warhammer Forums. I can't even play some EA games any more, they banned me so hard I can't enter their websites to i.e. resub 
What was the subject of the technical post? "How to optimise your Bright Wizard build" is different from "How to reconnect a banned IP so your bot network can resume operation" Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
3956
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Posted - 2013.03.16 13:35:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Mara Rinn wrote:I got banned from WoW forums for a post that by EVE standards was very helpful and informative.
Does that make me evil or good?
I have been permabanned and an admin personally beaten me, for a particularly helpful and in depth technical post on the Warhammer Forums. I can't even play some EA games any more, they banned me so hard I can't enter their websites to i.e. resub  What was the subject of the technical post? "How to optimise your Bright Wizard build" is different from "How to reconnect a banned IP so your bot network can resume operation"
No, I demonstrated (without doing it, just told it was possible) how a player could tamper with the client with some very an public mods API calls and also that the Bioware forums have little security since anyone can circumvent some of their restrictions.
P.S. When I last quit the game (August 2012) BWs (which I did not play) were almost extinct since a good while, they got nerfed so much and the melee so much buffed that playing casters was pointless. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
8183
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Posted - 2013.03.16 13:41:00 -
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I see...  Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread |

mentalkiller
Galbadian Rush
20
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Posted - 2013.03.16 15:18:00 -
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KuroVolt wrote:Ive been playing this game for about 6 years now and it hasnt affected my morals one bit.
Maybe you were *evil* all along, or maybe only the weak fall to the dark lures of the game.
All in all, Heathen pirate scum, Amarr Victor etc..etc..etc...
The OP got owned with this answer xD /mentalKiller |

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
5759
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Posted - 2013.03.17 17:38:00 -
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Goldnut Sachs wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Savnire Jacitu wrote:EVE turns us Evil
And I love it. If you would have met me in another game maybe 3-4 years ago I would have been the most helpful player you could want. I would give you starter money, help you get gear or anything like that. Even in games where you were able to kill and take the item of another player if you tired a little trickery. But then I found EVE. I don't know when it happened or why it was this game but I went dark.
Now, after 2 years of playing this game, I would not hesitate to take every thing you have, without a second thought given the chance. Maybe it was the fact that you can with out threat of being banned or that people just make it so easy. I've joined corps just to ruin them, I've scammed people out of their ships and money, I even start taking candy from babies. And you know what? It is ******* freeing as hell. Everyone needs to just go out and ruin someones day. Hell ruin my day for all I care, it's funny as ****. I found the EVE nirvana of scamming, killing and being scammed and killed.
And to give this thread some point and possible longevity, lets all reflect on what horrible things we have done at the expence of others, and the good times we had doing it. And i;m not just talking being a pirate here either, the people that ruin markets and over charge by 1000% are just as bad as the pirates.
My name Savnire Jacitu, I am Evil and proud of it. Heh, even though it's out of character for me, I think I'll rain on this parade. Just a little bit since the OP basically challenged players to ruin his day..  First of all, don't break your arm trying to pat yourself on the back there noobie. It may seem like you've done a lot for a character created on 2011.09.14 @ 12:28 Eve Time. According to my calculations, you're only 1 1/2 years old, not over 2 years old. When or if you ever do manage to take down a major power-block Alliance single handedly, then that's something to post and boast about. Definitely not a couple of little escapades you've done to newby's. I've met a lot of very cool helpful people in this game over the years who are still very cool and helpful. I guess it all depends on which side of the tracks you're from. Anyway, Eve doesn't turn people evil. People turn other people evil. It's very easy to turn weak, feeble minded people into blind fanatics yelling "Jihad". That sh*t is so commonplace it's old as this game. Obviously you're fixated on just one side of the coin, a small section of the whole picture, just another brick in the wall, etc. What you should be asking for is stories of Sweet Revenge enacted by those who were screwed over. Then you'll really see Evil.  DMC lol said the mission super star.
 
This one's for you.
DMC |

Setaceous
Nexus Prima
10
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Posted - 2013.03.17 19:21:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:I got banned from WoW forums for a post that by EVE standards was very helpful and informative.
Does that make me evil or good?
It makes you unlucky. That and they actually take the whole personal attacks/masked profanity thing pretty seriously.
Having said that; I would argue that the zero real life consequences nature of the Internet is turning us all into borderline sociopaths.
In short - the Internet makes us evil. |
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Acac Sunflyier
Burning Star L.L.C.
550
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Posted - 2013.03.17 21:42:00 -
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I'll be honest, when SWTOR came out i tried to figure out how to scam.
In star trek i've robbed guilds blind.
I meta the crap out of most every game i play CCP don't make us wait another decade for a drone overhaul; DRONE OVERHAUL NOW! |

Stan'din
Incursion Squad Punkz 'n Monkeys
33
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Posted - 2013.03.18 01:50:00 -
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KuroVolt wrote:Ive been playing this game for about 6 years now and it hasnt affected my morals one bit.
Maybe you were *evil* all along, or maybe only the weak fall to the dark lures of the game.
All in all, Heathen pirate scum, Amarr Victor etc..etc..etc...
Pillaging, murder with maybe a little bit of fornication with the locals is as human as speech Your about as much use as a condom dispenser in the Vatican. |

NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises Project Wildfire
318
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Posted - 2013.03.18 02:50:00 -
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I would say that EVE has made me a better (note better, not nicer) person then i used to be. I have always been as polite as i possibly could, and when i was a kid i dident even dare to take apples from my grandmothers apple tree without asking for permission first  I could never say my opinions, was very shy and in general just do whatever i was told to do and not question it.
Now i will argue like mad with corp members and trust me if they do something i disagre with i have no issues telling them "Your being an idiot!". Well ok i word it a bit more politely but still.. I guess in a way you can count this as me having become more "evil" since i dont spend 100% of my time agreeing with everyone just because i dont want to be rude or..displease them. Ofc this has also affected me in real life, which has been both good and bad depending on who you ask 
But what you mean with "evil"... I dont think its as much that people become more hostile or agressive when playing EVE. EVE simply allows them a much more free form of gameplay then most games, and since this is the only game that allows for scams/thefts/havoc on this scale i think more people come here because they want to TRY this form of play.
And ofc when you are new and so many older players will tell you "Become a pirate! Everything else is boring!" it also implements the mindset early on that you have to pretend to be "evil" to be counted as "cool" by some EVE players. And it dosent even have to be EVE players. At one point years ago we had a new player join the corp. He was happy just doing mining and was thrilled about getting his first hauler. Now also note this person was younger in real life then your average EVE player which most likely affected things. So some of his friends had been watching him play and were teasing him about how "boring" things were and asking why he dident do something cool like blowing people up. Atleast this is the reason he gave us after it was discovered that he had sold the war targets all the information he had about us (member list, eve mails, online times and so on) for a (i still cant believe this) t1 frig and a 200k hardwire 
So as you can see... in some cases it can be pure group pressure and the need to be accepted in your commenty that can make people do things they would never do in real life. Ofc you would think that most adults would be imune to group pressure or the need to "be just like everyone else", but the next time some big scandal happens in EVE, you can be pretty sure there is more then one person in there screaming for justice without really understanding what they are supposed to be uspet about. Phoibe Enterprises official recruitment thread The Eve Reader - -áAudio Recordings of Eve Chronicles
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Naes Mlahrend
KINGS OF EDEN Sev3rance
79
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Posted - 2013.03.18 03:21:00 -
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When I played WoW I was evil....I played horde....yea?
I like being a "good guy," in this universe full of possibilities. Don't get me wrong, if I find a chance to pull one over I'd probably take it but I don't go out of my way. Games don't make you evil but I'd say...
The most evil thing people do in EVE is sign their forum posts. |
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