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xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
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Posted - 2013.03.16 10:54:00 -
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Although you guys at CCP do a brilliant job (most of the time) i suspect this change you are talking about with the new EVE launcher is going to be a mistake.
CCP Aporia wrote "the new EVE Launcher will only make you share the data required for installing the client while you are downloading"
i have an issue with being made share my upload speed, i pay for it so why should i be made let ccp take advantwage of my broadband. we all share torrents but this is for FREE stuff and EVE/patches/expansions are not FREE.
"once your download is complete you will not be distributing it to others, unless you explicitly enable this in the options"
so when patch day has come and gone it will take an age to update ? because like i've said i won't be allowing ccp to use my broadband to distruibute their product as i'm sure most other will do the same, but i tell you what CCP give me a 33% discount off my monthly sub and i'll allow you to take advantage of my network.
"after all it might be useful for sharing the installation across your local network"
some of us have a couple of users on the same LAN playing EVE, but in general most will not, so why would people want to share it on their LAN ?
"We are also, by default, limiting the upload rate so that it should not affect your normal internet usage. This can be adjusted within the settings, should you wish to do so."
you have no right to take advantage of my upload speed, unless CCP wishes to purchase it, please see above regarding the cost of this.
I have no issue with the launcher going to torrent, but hey CCP seed it on your own servers, my network is not free for use.
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Praetor Meles
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
6
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Posted - 2013.03.16 10:56:00 -
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tl;dr
Want to buy: Tinfoil hat
[insert random rubbish that irritates you personally] is further evidence that Eve is dying/thriving*
* delete as required to make your point |
Praetor Meles
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
6
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Posted - 2013.03.16 10:57:00 -
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Also, in before lock.
[insert random rubbish that irritates you personally] is further evidence that Eve is dying/thriving*
* delete as required to make your point |
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
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Posted - 2013.03.16 10:59:00 -
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Praetor Meles wrote:tl;dr
Want to buy: Tinfoil hat
why reply if you didn't read.
and in before lock,, why would this be locked ?
PS: don't reply Meles, i'm sure you're very busy and have a bridge somewhere to be under. |
Primary This Rifter
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2013.03.16 11:01:00 -
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Why do you even care so much? You're uploading parts of the EVE client that you've already downloaded to help other players download their clients faster, and in return you're getting a more stable download with potentially faster speeds due to multiple download streams.
Some people like to complain about every little thing, I guess.
Yes, I'm an alt. Congratulations. |
Sarmatiko
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Posted - 2013.03.16 11:05:00 -
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xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:and in before lock,, why would this be locked ?
Because you cant read comments to original devblog (in particular dev responses about optional BT uploads and optional HTTP 1.1 functionality for those who dont want to use BT).
Also because you created double thread with useless rant about things you have no idea.
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Praetor Meles
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2013.03.16 11:05:00 -
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xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:PS: don't reply Meles, i'm sure you're very busy and have a bridge somewhere to be under.
Mechanic working as intended.
[insert random rubbish that irritates you personally] is further evidence that Eve is dying/thriving*
* delete as required to make your point |
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
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Posted - 2013.03.16 11:05:00 -
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Primary This Rifter wrote:Why do you even care so much? You're uploading parts of the EVE client that you've already downloaded to help other players download their clients faster, and in return you're getting a more stable download with potentially faster speeds due to multiple download streams.
Some people like to complain about every little thing, I guess.
simple. it's not my responsability to distribute CCP's product. |
xxxTRUSTxxx
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Posted - 2013.03.16 11:06:00 -
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Praetor Meles wrote:xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:PS: don't reply Meles, i'm sure you're very busy and have a bridge somewhere to be under. Mechanic working as intended.
New launcher going to Torrents ? no thanks ! - In EVE General Discussion [ Original thread ]
Also, in before lock.
2013.03.16 10:57
by Praetor Meles New launcher going to Torrents ? no thanks ! - In EVE General Discussion [ Original thread ]
tl;dr Want to buy: Tinfoil hat
2013.03.16 10:56
by Praetor Meles Eve Online always online? - In EVE General Discussion [ Original thread ]
Posting in stealth nerf hisec thread.
2013.03.15 22:35
by Praetor Meles Double Wardec vs wardec + hired ally? - In EVE General Discussion [ Original thread ]
Posting in stealth nerf hi-sec thread.
2013.03.14 17:15
by Praetor Meles CCP Guard or who ever! More forums needed! - In EVE General Discussion [ Original thread ]
Posting in stealth nerf hisec thread.
2013.03.14 01:05
by Praetor Meles Unrealistic use of Drugs in E.v.e. Online - In EVE General Discussion [ Original thread ]
...unrealistic, and opposite to any drugs in real life. In real life... Confirming: Eve should be more like real life.
2013.03.12 18:31
by Praetor Meles [Proposal] Pilot Licence Status Check - In Features & Ideas Discussion [ Original thread ]
Posting in stealth nerf hi-sec thread.
2013.03.12 18:28
by Praetor Meles CCP its time to NERF NULL before it becomes ThunderdomeGäó not after - In EVE General Discussion [ Original thread ]
In before lock.
2013.03.12 18:19
by Praetor Meles Alliance Question - In EVE General Discussion [ Original thread ]
Posting in stealth nerf hi-sec thread.
2013.03.12 01:07
by Praetor Meles Sandbox doesn't mean.... - In EVE General Discussion [ Original thread ]
... "everything I like, and nothing that I don't". I demand an immediate buff of everything I like, and nerf of everything I do not. Demand, I tell you. Actually that statement might be the one thing that 99% of the playerbase could agree on. There is...
2013.03.11 23:48
by Praetor Meles Why complain about High Sec but not SOV mechanics? An honest look at null bears. - In EVE General Discussion [ Original thread ]
In before lock.
2013.03.11 23:44
by Praetor Meles Possibility of melee ships? - In EVE General Discussion [ Original thread ]
I think we can all agree that the ability to throw your space loincloth over the window of you enemy's pod, causing them temporary in-game blindness, is now an absolute necessity to prevent Eve dying.
2013.03.11 11:18
by Praetor Meles Absence of Down-Time Troll? - In EVE General Discussion [ Original thread ]
Logged on expecting controversy for 30 minutes, leaving disappointed.
2013.03.10 11:04
by Praetor Meles ISD LackOfFaith is so HOT - In Out of Pod Experience [ Original thread ]
In before lock.
2013.03.10 09:52
by Praetor Meles The CONCORD agent Christer Fuglesang - In EVE General Discussion [ Original thread ]
He was an ESA astronaut. Given the chap is a real-life astronaut, I do find myself wondering if an email and a "happy birthday" from the Eve Community might be in order...
2013.03.05 15:16
by Praetor Meles A Curious thing happened to me whilst Mining in 0.5 space - In EVE General Discussion [ Original thread ]
In before lock.
2013.03.05 12:35
by Praetor Meles
troll working as intended. |
Angelique Duchemin
Serenity Prime
Kraken.
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Posted - 2013.03.16 11:07:00 -
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World of Warcraft already does this. It helps improve the download speeds and bandwidth capabilities because the entire world isn't downloading from one single spot.
We miss you Saede. |
Primary This Rifter
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2013.03.16 11:07:00 -
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What does responsibility have to do with it? That's how the protocol works.
Yes, I'm an alt. Congratulations. |
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
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Posted - 2013.03.16 11:17:00 -
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Angelique Duchemin wrote:World of Warcraft already does this. It helps improve the download speeds and bandwidth capabilities because the entire world isn't downloading from one single spot.
wow has 9.6 million subs source
eve has 361.000 source
9.6 million seeds vs 3k seeds |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
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Posted - 2013.03.16 11:17:00 -
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lol
Time to get a proper broadband then?
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
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Posted - 2013.03.16 11:18:00 -
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Primary This Rifter wrote:What does responsibility have to do with it? That's how the protocol works.
i know how torrents work. 
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xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
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Posted - 2013.03.16 11:21:00 -
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Roime wrote:lol
Time to get a proper broadband then?
150Mbps down
10Mbps up
nope my networks fine thanks. |
Velicitia
Arma Artificer
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Posted - 2013.03.16 11:22:00 -
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I don't get it ... everyone I know on patch day (well, before the launcher anyway) would head over to eve-files, grab Chribba's torrent link, and download the client that way. Been away for a while so "patchday" for me has been days/weeks after everyone else (just training 30d skills and all), so I haven't really noticed whether the launcher is slow or unstable with the download.
However, with the assumption that I'm gonna be back solidly now, and fighting every last one of you for the new client on patch day ... a bittorrent style download will be awesome (esp since it'll help my spacebros get into the game faster too).
PS -- I'm jealous of anyone outside the US who has awesome connections ... I only have 30/5 
One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Malcanis for CSM8 |
DeadRow
Utopian Research I.E.L.
Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2013.03.16 11:23:00 -
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What is the fuss again?
You quoted that you won't re-distribute unless you enable it. So why don't you, err, you know? Don't enable it?
PROBLEM SOLVED. |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.16 11:24:00 -
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Sarmatiko wrote:In my third world country (in Europe  )I pay 5$ in a month for 5Mbit/3Mbit broadband connection without any traffic limitation. 16 cents in a day is the reason to be greedy and not share your upload connection?
in Freedomland we pay $40/month for that kind of connection, 'heh'
~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.
Malcanis for CSM 8 |
Iso47
EveCoPilot.
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Posted - 2013.03.16 11:24:00 -
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So what happens to my connection (its so poor: only 2mb). Also don't say get a better line cause I can't. I'm guessing I'll actually benefit from this. |
Johann Rascali
Crunchy Crunchy
Peregrine Nation
10
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Posted - 2013.03.16 11:25:00 -
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xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:Primary This Rifter wrote:What does responsibility have to do with it? That's how the protocol works. i know how torrents work.
Further proof that knowledge doesn't equate or lead to generosity.
If you don't want to seed, uncheck the box or set the upload maximum to 0 kb/s and go sit in your corner where you're nice and solitary.
I for one hope that there will be a way to distribute through standard torrent clients as well, so I can seed with the launcher closed. |
Ifly Uwalk
Empire Tax Collection Agency
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Posted - 2013.03.16 11:27:00 -
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Thread is bad and OP should feel bad.
Edit: Sssssnipahhhh - guess this thread was good for something after all. vOv |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations
Paper Tiger Coalition
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Posted - 2013.03.16 11:29:00 -
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xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:Angelique Duchemin wrote:World of Warcraft already does this. It helps improve the download speeds and bandwidth capabilities because the entire world isn't downloading from one single spot. wow has 9.6 million subs sourceeve has 361.000 source9.6 million seeds vs 3k seeds
9.6 million dowloads vs 3k downloads ....
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
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Posted - 2013.03.16 11:34:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:I don't get it ... everyone I know on patch day (well, before the launcher anyway) would head over to eve-files, grab Chribba's torrent link, and download the client that way. Been away for a while so "patchday" for me has been days/weeks after everyone else (just training 30d skills and all), so I haven't really noticed whether the launcher is slow or unstable with the download. However, with the assumption that I'm gonna be back solidly now, and fighting every last one of you for the new client on patch day ... a bittorrent style download will be awesome (esp since it'll help my spacebros get into the game faster too). PS -- I'm jealous of anyone outside the US who has awesome connections ... I only have 30/5
I agree a bittorrent style download might be a good idea but only if CCP are doing 90% of the seeding. it' sunrealistic to expect 300k hell lets half that because we all know half it not more of them are alts.
so 150k seeds that will stop seeding after the first day is fail.
if CCP seeds it then no worries.
i have no problem seeding torrents that are free, seeding a product i pay for,, NO thanks. |
xanderh
Blue Nova Republic
United Federation of Commerce
7
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Posted - 2013.03.16 11:35:00 -
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Why is this such a big deal for you? You already quoted them saying that the upload will be disabled by default, and that the upload when downloading will be set low enough that you won't notice it.
It's not a big deal unless you're on a limited data plan, and if you are, you should probably switch to an unlimited one anyway, so you don't have to think about this stuff. |
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
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Posted - 2013.03.16 11:36:00 -
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flakeys wrote:xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:Angelique Duchemin wrote:World of Warcraft already does this. It helps improve the download speeds and bandwidth capabilities because the entire world isn't downloading from one single spot. wow has 9.6 million subs sourceeve has 361.000 source9.6 million seeds vs 3k seeds 9.6 million dowloads vs 3k downloads ....
typo fixed |
Stray Bullets
Perkone
Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2013.03.16 11:37:00 -
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Even though it makes no difference to me personally, I do believe this needs to be set as OPT IN, as in, it's off by default. Why?
Because the OP does have a point where he does not have to share his own connection, regardless of protocol used or if everyone else in the industry is doing it or not. The why he doesn't want to share his bandwidth is irrelevant as he's paying for it, he decides where it's used and how.
If you do decide to opt in on the BT download, getting faster downloads, you also upload while doing so, which seems logic.
If CCP does go with BT and it actually eats up my upload in any way noticeable, I'll simply limit it's port to 0kb/s on the upload on my router.
TL;DR This needs to be OPTIONAL, with default being OFF! :) |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2666
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Posted - 2013.03.16 11:37:00 -
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xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:we all share torrents but this is for FREE stuff and EVE/patches/expansions are not FREE.
They are actually.
Apparently booking your flight & accomodation to Iceland BEFORE you buy the tickets for the convention which is pretty much the only reason you wanted to go there in the first place is popular. |
xanderh
Blue Nova Republic
United Federation of Commerce
7
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Posted - 2013.03.16 11:38:00 -
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Stray Bullets wrote:Even though it makes no difference to me personally, I do believe this needs to be set as OPT IN, as in, it's off by default. Why?
Because the OP does have a point where he does not have to share his own connection, regardless of protocol used or if everyone else in the industry is doing it or not. The why he doesn't want to share his bandwidth is irrelevant as he's paying for it, he decides where it's used and how.
If you do decide to opt in on the BT download, getting faster downloads, you also upload while doing so, which seems logic.
If CCP does go with BT and it actually eats up my upload in any way noticeable, I'll simply limit it's port to 0kb/s on the upload on my router.
TL;DR This needs to be OPTIONAL, with default being OFF! :)
Try reading the dev blog before posting. They say that it is off by default. |
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
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Posted - 2013.03.16 11:40:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:we all share torrents but this is for FREE stuff and EVE/patches/expansions are not FREE. They are actually.
they are not free,, ffs you pay a sub this sub pays the wages for the devs doing the expansions, it's not free. CCP choose not to charge extra. |
Stray Bullets
Perkone
Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2013.03.16 11:41:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:we all share torrents but this is for FREE stuff and EVE/patches/expansions are not FREE. They are actually.
Actually they aren't mate. They are included in the subscription payment model, thus, not free. |
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