tl;dr

Want to buy: Tinfoil hat

and in before lock,, why would this be locked ?

PS: don't reply Meles, i'm sure you're very busy and have a bridge somewhere to be under.

Why do you even care so much? You're uploading parts of the EVE client that you've already downloaded to help other players download their clients faster, and in return you're getting a more stable download with potentially faster speeds due to multiple download streams.

Some people like to complain about every little thing, I guess.

Mechanic working as intended.

World of Warcraft already does this. It helps improve the download speeds and bandwidth capabilities because the entire world isn't downloading from one single spot.

What does responsibility have to do with it? That's how the protocol works.

lol

Time to get a proper broadband then?

In my third world country (in Europe )I pay 5$ in a month for 5Mbit/3Mbit broadband connection without any traffic limitation. 16 cents in a day is the reason to be greedy and not share your upload connection?

i know how torrents work.

wow has 9.6 million subs source

eve has 361.000 source

9.6 million seeds vs 3k seeds

I don't get it ... everyone I know on patch day (well, before the launcher anyway) would head over to eve-files, grab Chribba's torrent link, and download the client that way. Been away for a while so "patchday" for me has been days/weeks after everyone else (just training 30d skills and all), so I haven't really noticed whether the launcher is slow or unstable with the download.

However, with the assumption that I'm gonna be back solidly now, and fighting every last one of you for the new client on patch day ... a bittorrent style download will be awesome (esp since it'll help my spacebros get into the game faster too).

PS -- I'm jealous of anyone outside the US who has awesome connections ... I only have 30/5

9.6 million dowloads vs 3k downloads ....

we all share torrents but this is for FREE stuff and EVE/patches/expansions are not FREE.

Even though it makes no difference to me personally, I do believe this needs to be set as OPT IN, as in, it's off by default. Why?

Because the OP does have a point where he does not have to share his own connection, regardless of protocol used or if everyone else in the industry is doing it or not. The why he doesn't want to share his bandwidth is irrelevant as he's paying for it, he decides where it's used and how.

If you do decide to opt in on the BT download, getting faster downloads, you also upload while doing so, which seems logic.

If CCP does go with BT and it actually eats up my upload in any way noticeable, I'll simply limit it's port to 0kb/s on the upload on my router.

TL;DR This needs to be OPTIONAL, with default being OFF! :)

They are actually.

They are actually.

It's not a big deal unless you're on a limited data plan, and if you are, you should probably switch to an unlimited one anyway, so you don't have to think about this stuff..

Because the OP does have a point where he does not have to share his own connection, regardless of protocol used or if everyone else in the industry is doing it or not.

Try reading the dev blog before posting. They say that it is off by default.

Try reading the dev blog before posting. They say that it is off by default.

However, there are ways to limit this, and by default the new EVE Launcher will only make you share the data required for installing the client while you are downloading; once your download is complete you will not be distributing it to others, unless you explicitly enable this in the options

what about customers who has blocked TORRENT protocol by their ISP ?

how that will work ?

The subscription fee pays for access to the CCP server farm as a client. Nothing more, nothing less. The expansions are free, as they are not guaranteed to come, and, as far as I know, aren't even mentioned in the EULA or TOS.

Actually they aren't mate. They are included in the subscription payment model, thus, not free.

what about customers who has blocked TORRENT protocol by their ISP ?

how that will work ?

i guess you didn't because

"it is part of the BitTorrent protocol that every participant in the distribution network gives and receives data, and this is something we cannot really change. However, there are ways to limit this, and by default the new EVE Launcher will only MAKE you share the data required for installing the client while you are downloading"

He has an option, stop playing the game... It's CCP's product, they decide the design, you decide if you want to use it.

just like the electricity you're using right now is free. yea right

Although you guys at CCP do a brilliant job (most of the time) i suspect this change you are talking about with the new EVE launcher is going to be a mistake.

That was the worst comparison I've ever seen anyone try to make. You pay for electricity by the kilowatt & your monthly payment will fluctuate depending on what you use. EVE remains the same price from month to month.

He has an option, stop playing the game... It's CCP's product, they decide the design, you decide if you want to use it.

they are not free,, ffs you pay a sub this sub pays the wages for the devs doing the expansions, it's not free. CCP choose not to charge extra.

I read most of what you write (though not whole post as its just bullshit) and I think you are just nasty leecher!
Get a clue what torrents are and stop complaining about nothing OK?

Many games already switched to torrent stuff and it helps people to get data faster and allow to lower bandwidth cost for CCP which both are benefit for us.

So no they wont be paying you because you are uploading game data. Less they pay for bandwidth more they can put into development right?

Bottom line can I have your stuff please?

just like the electricity you're using right now is free. yea right

You have two options here:
1. Change your ISP to normal. Why you pay money for incomplete and bad service?
2. Read dev responses to devblog, and you will find out that you will still have option to download patches without BT.

You pay for 30 days game time. Once you pay that money to CCP it's no longer your money because you got what you paid for, 30 days game time. I've never had to actually pay for an expansion or patch, but please feel free to link me the part that states we do in the TOS.

why you playing stupid ?

I can, and will if it becomes a problem, limit the upload rate for anything running on my own network. So this, for me, is a non-issue, like I said in the first post I made.

you've made the choice to live with the illussion that CCP don't pay their devs to work, that's not my problem, that's yours.

Says the guy playing hissyfit semantic games because someone dared mention that Eve doesn't charge for its expansions unlike literally every other MMO in the world that has expansions.

At what point did I say that? This might be a complete surprise to you, but making stuff up doesn't give your argument anymore weight than a rant post about a non-issue would. Refer to the OP for an example.

They are actually.

this thread is about torrents vs html downloads and what it means if they go with torrents.

this thread is about torrents vs html downloads and what it means if they go with torrents.

My only problem with torrent distrobution is, now I have to create a ruleset on the company firewall to bypass the other ruleset to block P2P torrent traffic and allow me to update my workstation.

*sigh*

at this point

If EVE expansions aren't 'free', what are WoW expansions? Double paid for?

why use firewall rules to control the bandwidth usage, when it's so much more fun to whine on the forum about a feature which we have not even had the chance to test.

ps just to annoy OP: In my third world country (in Europe )I pay 5$ in a month for 5Mbit/3Mbit broadband connection without any traffic limitation. 16 cents in a day is the reason to be greedy and not share your upload connection?

It means you won't actually be forced to upload data to other people (because you can actually turn it off or limit the bandwidth yourself) & everyone will get that new patch a lot faster. Apparently this is an issue for some people. This is why we can't have nice things.

I said that expansions & patches were free, not that CCP employees work for free. You appear to be confused.