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NSA DAKILLA
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Posted - 2005.08.23 00:11:00 -
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i would go for one person on the blacklist and if the mistake is made again by another member of that corp then it can go the whole corp that would be pretty fair.
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Velios
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Posted - 2005.08.23 00:22:00 -
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Why is this thread needed? You have the BPO's to make the ships, stick them on the market for whatever you like and they will sell. You dont need to make a big deal out of it really.
Discussing the rules of who should be able to buy from you is surely something you and your corp mates should agree upon... Why should it be neccessary (or interesting) for the wider EVE populace contemplate this?
M.Corp would never feel the need to hold an open forum about the specific nature of the goods we sell... Our place in the EVE universe is but a tiny speck on the fabric... and so is yours my friend.
This whole topic is little more than a self serving, ego inflating "look at me" excorsise that is crass to the point of nausia.
You offer GREAT products at GREAT prices, nothing more needs to be said. |
Shittake
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Posted - 2005.08.23 00:42:00 -
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Blacklisting an entire corporation on the first offense becasue one of its members decided NOT to read the rules first seems a little harsh to me.
From everything I have heard, your web store seems like a wonderful service but I will not be able to use it now because what I just mentioned has happened to my corp.
I would ask that you review your rules for blacklisting. It doesn't seem fair that I will never be able to use your products/services because one of my corpmates did not read the rules first.
Thanks
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Evil Thug
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Posted - 2005.08.23 00:48:00 -
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I read your rules @ site. And I remembered communism (i born, and grow up during USSR times) - you can go to the shop, but you can only buy 1kg of sausage, 0.5kg of cheese etc. And seller wont sell more to you, even you are very rich person. I dont like it.
Yesterday i registred at your site, and wanted to order 1 vagabond for my battle alt.
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Number in queue #19
"Wow, Cool" thought I, and canceled the order.
What point i`m trying to prove here ? You are trying to regulate market via artifical method. I think, that standart method - demand\offer, is much better. Personally I - would order 10 vagabonds @ 80 - 90m each. I dont like to search for ship, through multiple regions, even if i need it. I bought it, haul to Agil in freighter, and go in 0.0 to have some fun. Your point of view is different, than mine. Its OK.
Reading your rules, i felt, that you are talking with your customer, like talking with guilty child. Dude, i haven`t done anything wrong. And my guilt is only, that I just joined your site, to buy something. But, NO. You shall do that, that, that, you shouldn`t do that, that, that. I`m sorry, but i think that this is unacceptable.
Anyway. This is your items, and your right to sell it how you want. You asked for feedback, you got it.
Thanks for your time.
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Nervar
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Posted - 2005.08.23 02:34:00 -
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Originally by: Khatred
This thread is guided by one rule: You flame, troll or smacktalk, you meet our dreaded blacklist  . I am smiling but I am not joking
We are an industrial corps focused on manufacturing and selling ships. We have a webshop that has rules. Rules that when broken forfeits the right to use our services.
Some of the rules don't regard just the offender but his corporation too.
Now I come here to ask for your input. Should we limit (at least for now) the rules to just the offender until we are confident that everybody that wants to use our shop is familiar with the rules? Should the recently blacklisted corporations be allowed back and only the persons to remain blacklisted?
Your input is much appreciated.
PS. Rules of engagement remain, attacking a Lacuna Viators non-combat ship in Empire = the whole corporation gets blacklisted.
Hate to break it too you Khatred but your blacklist is rather pointless, seing as i personally have alts older than you. Most of the guys i know have alts inn ""respectable"" corps or secondary accounts.
Oh btw we have bought from you before while being blacklisted with alts or thru friends, your wallet may bee fath but its fat on bloodmoney 
But keep it up "bad advertising" is just as good as good advertising ^^
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What I look forward to is continued immaturity followed by death.
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Sam Trip
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Posted - 2005.08.23 02:47:00 -
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Sell how you want is what i say! If people want to start getting all angered up about it then dont sell to them! They should have respected your rules and appreciated the courtesy that your extending by providing a service towards the EVE community by providing a stable outlet of tech 2 ships. I thought the site was very professional and uncomplicated i liked it and the prices especially! Was and still am very prepared to do business with you all.
If they're underselling someone else then so what? happens in real life. Works well for me, works well for the suppliers, just not the guy who got undersold. Its their problem now.
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F'nog
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Posted - 2005.08.23 02:56:00 -
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Quote:
Store is closing2005-08-22
All the current orders will be escrowed in the following hours.
Rest of the ships will be put on market in Pator.
Sorry for any trouble.
Kwisat Haderach
I guess that's it then? No more store?
Originally by: Morela
"hey! I'm gonna go attack the north! Afk till tuesday!"
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Kerby Lane
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Posted - 2005.08.23 02:59:00 -
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Originally by: Evil Thug
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Yesterday i registred at your site, and wanted to order 1 vagabond for my battle alt.
Quote:
Number in queue #19
"Wow, Cool" thought I, and canceled the order.
Why ?
I think you misunderstood the queue idea. It is not the wait list it is just escrow queue and your order would`ve beed filled in 1-2 hrs.
But yes, it somehow reminds me CCCP ( with 3 C  ) stuff but 3-4 months NAGA queues in not much better IMAO.
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Emeline Cabernet
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Posted - 2005.08.23 03:09:00 -
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Please get more ships for those prices.
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Airric
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Posted - 2005.08.23 03:30:00 -
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You know and I know, that there aren't enough TII BPO's in game to have a truely diverse market......so let's make rules up and ban people to make our egos feel good. Afterall we'll still sell out everyday, cause noone else has them.
As for the Blacklist:
Each first offense by an individual person should result in a permaban. only after 3 offenses by the same corp (3 different members) then permaban the corp, and then 3 corp permabans should result in a ban at the alliance level. this way you still get to boost your egos, but your product still gets to move freely through the market.
OOC but on topic: Do you think Wal-Mart would sell billions of dollars a year in merchandise if they told everyone to walk in a straight line, with their fingers over their mouths, and they could only buy 20 dollars worth of merchandise or their ability to shop there would be terminated permanently?
way off topic: the smaller the RL peen the bigger the epeen. So you must be teh next John Holmes of the Virtual World!
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Band Zior
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Posted - 2005.08.23 07:28:00 -
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Seen that Simpsons episode when kid gets popular when they get a pool?
Remember what happened when a kid accross the street got a bigger pool?
I think there's a lesson there. Now go churn out those t2 ships for isk that mean jack, and don't pretend you're something you're not and never will be.
In soviet russia, alts blacklist YOU!!!!!!
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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.08.23 07:43:00 -
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Originally by: Velios
Why is this thread needed? You have the BPO's to make the ships, stick them on the market for whatever you like and they will sell. You dont need to make a big deal out of it really.
Discussing the rules of who should be able to buy from you is surely something you and your corp mates should agree upon... Why should it be neccessary (or interesting) for the wider EVE populace contemplate this?
That's what I don't get. At those prices, you don't need to advertise. They'd be off the market in minutes.
As for black listing people who re-sell things, how can you tell if that happens? If I buy something from you and give it to a two day old alt to sell three regions away, how do you know that?
Also, what's to stop someone with multiple characters / accounts from buying out your entire stock and then turning around and selling it again?
Velios is right. While you do have some of the best prices around, I'm not sure how all the rules in the world are worth it. 
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Taz Devlin
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Posted - 2005.08.23 10:48:00 -
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I love it
These new rules of yours are a source of great enjoyment to me.
So far it has sparked 2 lively threads about trade, and a realization that action causes reaction, love it
You have stuff, I want stuff. Fine, I'll play along.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.08.23 12:30:00 -
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1) Make a mistake that isn't trying to break the rules (i.e. no scamming, reselling, etc) = tempban for character.
2) Trying to scam/resell/etc or 2nd number 1 = permban for character
3) Many people in a corp doing 2) = permban for corp
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Saladin
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Posted - 2005.08.23 13:21:00 -
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Further discussion is moot, they closed the shop and dumped the stock on the market in pator, with prices adjusted for brokerage fees and sales tax. I will be curious as to why they shut down so quickly though, they seemed so determined.
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Velios
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Posted - 2005.08.23 13:55:00 -
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face, bothered? face... bothered? |
Critta
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Posted - 2005.08.23 14:06:00 -
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Edited by: Critta on 23/08/2005 14:12:03
Edited by: Critta on 23/08/2005 14:09:36
Originally by: Khatred
The implementation of order limit was discussed but was somewhat difficult because of the 3 levels (1 hac, 2 crows,enyos,etc., 4 ships max)
Just thought of an easy way for you to programatically work this one out:
Before you complete each sale, do a query of the database for the player ordering on the current date (including the current order)
Make temporary variable with a starting value of 0
For each tier2 ship (HAC or Occator) add 100
For each tier1 ship (AF or Transport ship) add 10
For each other ship add 1.
Then use string functions to check the first character (the hundreds one!), if this is > 1 then do not allow the sale.
Then do the same for the second character (tens), if > 2 then do not allow the sale.
Then add all 3 numbers together, if > 4 then do not allow the sale.
e.g
Player has bought a Vagabond already, wishes to buy a Crow, a Harpy and 2 Raptors.
The checking variable for this would be 122.
Tier 2 (HAC & Occator) rule, hundreds = 1, 1 !> 1 so this is ok.
Teir 1 (AF's and expensive Intys) rule, tens = 2 2 !> 2 so this is ok.
Total sales rule, hundreds + tens + units = 5, 5 > 4 so sale is not allowed.
Shouldn't be more than a dozen lines of code, and will save you loads of hassle.
In fact, I'm sure there's an even easier way of doing it... but I'll leave that up to you guys :D
Surely it's easier and less hassle to write a few lines of code to sort this out for you, rather than waste time checking manually who has ordered too much and blacklisting them?
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Montero
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Posted - 2005.08.23 14:09:00 -
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you could maybe start with blacklisting the person for a few weeks and the corp for a week, ansd a repeat offense is an imediate blacklist for the whole corp. would give people a chance to sort their acts out and you not to lose custom.
needless to say, i'm at no risk because for some reason my PC won't load your webby.
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Liet Traep
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Posted - 2005.08.23 14:13:00 -
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It's sad to see the shop closing so early. The prices on a lot of t2 ships are severely inflated. I was hoping with the shop open some of the other t2 producers might lower their (imo) extremely high prices. I don't mind paying 100 million for a zealot but if I know the producer only made it for 30 million or so then I feel more than a bit ripped off.
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Khatred
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Posted - 2005.08.23 15:22:00 -
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Ok, shop is closed and is not coming back.
Reason 1: It was too much trouble. I mean spending 2 days in a station setting escrows is not fun. And for what?
Reason 2: Some said we are after the spotlights. Well, we are not, so going back into the anonimity of the market, I couldn't care less.
Reason 3: The rules were not there because I love people to play by my rules but to try to give everybody a chance to grab ships at decent prices. No more rules, market for the win. Oh and btw, all deimoses, vagabonds, ishtars, enyos and harpies were bought by 2 persons only very soon after being on the market. Now you can go back to General Discussion and post how T2 is so unfair, that ships are so expensive yadda yadda yadda.
Reason 4: The locking of a thread that advertised a site that works in game. CCP wants ships only on the market? Fine.
We tried and failed. Now we are moving on.
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Taho Ra
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Posted - 2005.08.23 15:29:00 -
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Edited by: Taho Ra on 23/08/2005 15:34:05
Really said to see the store closed, hope to see you guys back again soon... Need HAC
Regarding the "Blacklist" i think would be resanoble to have a max date of "suspention", for exemple 3 weeks or 4 weeks. But not a "live time suspention"... But have a big period of time not sure the duration for corps that "grief" you guys...
But EvE there plenty of corps that can't "stand each other" and are at war 24/7... So why point a finger to you guys when you choose to do the same...
But honestly it's betther for everyone to to have just a period of suspention.
Edit: Ups i'm slow...
One thing is for sure ppl dont like democracy..
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ASIV TRE
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Posted - 2005.08.23 15:48:00 -
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What i want to know is why did a mod lock their thread for advertising a third party website? surely its the same as Xtech, BIG, Omega, NAGA's etc etc webbys?
Or am i missing something
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Sherkaner
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Posted - 2005.08.23 18:16:00 -
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Please do not discuss moderator actions in the forums. If you have any questions, please mail [email protected].
And I would honestly like you to mail us in this case, because you apparently misunderstood the reason for the thread lock.
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Imran
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Posted - 2005.08.23 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: Khatred
Ok, shop is closed and is not coming back.
Reason 1: It was too much trouble. I mean spending 2 days in a station setting escrows is not fun. And for what?
Reason 2: Some said we are after the spotlights. Well, we are not, so going back into the anonimity of the market, I couldn't care less.
Reason 3: The rules were not there because I love people to play by my rules but to try to give everybody a chance to grab ships at decent prices. No more rules, market for the win. Oh and btw, all deimoses, vagabonds, ishtars, enyos and harpies were bought by 2 persons only very soon after being on the market. Now you can go back to General Discussion and post how T2 is so unfair, that ships are so expensive yadda yadda yadda.
*snip*
We tried and failed. Now we are moving on.
discussion of forum moderation removed
Sucks to see your store go m8, but to try to get positive and constructive replies on these forums its pretty much pointless. Nonetheless really sad to see your store go -_- best of luck collecting the rest of the bpos comming out :].
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Saladin
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Posted - 2005.08.23 18:48:00 -
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Edited by: Saladin on 23/08/2005 18:56:31
Edited by: Saladin on 23/08/2005 18:50:03
Edited by: Saladin on 23/08/2005 18:48:51
Spending all that time on escrow can be a major pain in the ass, I know. I picked up 10 Maledictions and an Eagle myself, but the other stuff Khatred mentioned went pretty damn quick. Its true those 2 people could be resellers, but they could be buying stuff for their alliance as well. I did not see any sell orders for vagabonds, diemos, or ishtar the next morning. I know the stuff I got was intended for personal use.
Chin up Khatred, this really is better. Resellers or not, people can setup their own buy orders. If you want agitate the wholesale buyers you can always move the merchandise to Dal or some equally desolate place and watch their region wide buy orders pick it up
On another note, I know what you meant by industrial respect. In other games when a craftsman creates an item, it bears the creators name and bears witness to his skill. In eve all items are standardized, there is no difference between an ishtar created by one guy and one created by you. Aside from a wallet entry no one can differentiate your product from others. A web shop can change that somewhat.
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Liet Traep
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Posted - 2005.08.23 22:58:00 -
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It's really sad to see the store closed. I and I'm sure others appreciate the fact that you were trying to do eve players a service. Giving everyone access to good ships at reasonable price. Thanks for trying.
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Rthor
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Posted - 2005.08.23 23:15:00 -
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Store is closed? ****. Is it too late to be blacklisted then?
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Randay
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Posted - 2005.08.24 03:53:00 -
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sad to see your store go, your ideology of making sure everyone gets a chance to buy ships at great prices was a great one. hopefully we will see some new features in some future patch that will allow you to do so. hope you guys try again some time.
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Kyle Caldrel
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Posted - 2005.08.24 06:11:00 -
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Damnit, why all the *****ing? his bpos, his damn rules!
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DUFFMANX
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Posted - 2005.08.24 06:39:00 -
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Dude dont close the shop down already cos of some morons that dont wanna follow the rules. There r plenty of players in eve that r willing to buy ur ships at ur prices and rules if u give it time.
As for time spent in the shop escrowing stuff, maybe share it amoungst urself and 2-3 others to lighten load and give urself ome space and play time.
Lastly as for the advertising im sure any1 sho would buy from u would be happy to spead the word cos once ur name out there no thread can stop u being known
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