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Airric
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Posted - 2005.08.24 06:48:00 -
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 Originally by: Randay
sad to see your store go, your ideology of making sure everyone gets a chance to buy ships at great prices was a great one. hopefully we will see some new features in some future patch that will allow you to do so. hope you guys try again some time.
/signed
I may have have gotten a little razzy, but I still liked the idea and the effort you put into "The Shop". Don't quit because of peeps who make comments like me. You have a great idea....errrr ideology going there and you could very well be what we need to revolutionize the Tech II industry!!!! Not to mention, show CCP that TII can be a viable option without completely killing the TI market!!!!
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juduzz
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Posted - 2005.08.24 07:30:00 -
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Limited tch2 BPO's for generic high prices is mainly CCP's fault.
but in this case its entialy the communities 
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.08.24 08:10:00 -
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I'll throw in my opinion now. The point is moot but since our corp was part of the original controvesy, what the heck.
Khatred was doing a noble thing trying to ensure fair prices to a broad player base. I think he implemention was lacking. Some of the more blunt posts in the thread addressed that so I wont.
Two lasting legacies come out of this for me though.
1) "Economic warfare" (or whatever you want to class it as) doesn't really work in EVE. The fact that someone had to do a workaround in the form of a webshop proves this. EVE should have basic tools to limit who you can sell to.
2) T2 remains as farcial as ever. It's an artificially low supply where CCP play God. The "haves" are governed by luck and not skill (at least initially). I'd like to think a totally honest dev would admit the whole system is a cluster**** but to change it now would require a lot of bravery.
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Drilla
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Posted - 2005.08.24 09:50:00 -
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Hey Khatred - love the shop :)
Here's my inpuy: program the webshop so you cant make a 'wrong' order - ie. an order that breaks the rules.
Deny orders from ppl in NPC corps or sub 5 person corps to avoid taking advantage of the prices.
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Drilla
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Posted - 2005.08.24 09:53:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
but to change it now would require a lot of bravery.
They are changing it - in Kali there's a rework so there's offered 1 new BPO of _all_ T2 bpo's every month. It'll open the market slowly but will ensure that in the long run there's more fair pricing on T2 stuff.
Take Deimos - it costs roughly 50m to make and is sold for 110-120m on market.
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Khatred
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Posted - 2005.08.24 12:55:00 -
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Ok, thank you for the support posts, thank you for the posts that presented good arguments, no <3 for the flaming posts.
After much thinking and re-thinking and more thinking we decided the way to go it's the market. We will play by the supply/demand of Heimatar region and battle our market competitors.
Less stress, less work, more fun
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Saladin
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Posted - 2005.08.24 14:46:00 -
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Originally by: Drilla
Originally by: Deja Thoris
but to change it now would require a lot of bravery.
They are changing it - in Kali there's a rework so there's offered 1 new BPO of _all_ T2 bpo's every month. It'll open the market slowly but will ensure that in the long run there's more fair pricing on T2 stuff.
Take Deimos - it costs roughly 50m to make and is sold for 110-120m on market.
With today's component prices a Deimos is probably a little less than 40M to make.
I don't think BPO's should be offered to people who did not take the time to do the agent missions, gain standing and train to use R&D agents, and in some cases train very long skills to be able to use multiple ones. Many people complain it is too easy or requires no effort, and more often than not they are people who only have one level 1 agent or didnt make the slightest effort to get one at all. I got lucky, but it took a lot of effort and a lot of waiting.
As for Kali, I don't think anything is written in stone yet, but increasing the BPO releases is not the way to go. A Deimos bpo for instance lets you make 5/week. A new Deimos bpo would only add an extra 5 ships to the entire game/week, assuming the owner is not taking a time out to research it.
T2 stuff takes a long time to build, and that time, whether people admit it or not, plays a big role in pricing. People like to move their product quickly. They don't want to accumulate an inventory, because an inventory represents money invested with no return (i.e. you paid money for raw materials and only get a return on it when you sell the product). So for me not to accumulate a stockpile of HACs, I only have to sell one every 36 hours (time to build). So, with a little trial an error I find the price and it becomes my standard. If I had to sell one every 10 hours the price would drop further and further. Changing the production time will really affect the market and benifit the producer and customer. Giving out one new t2 bpo (which may or may not be a HAC bpo) per month is a drop in the pond.
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Raytesh
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Posted - 2005.08.24 15:27:00 -
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Edited by: Raytesh on 24/08/2005 15:37:16
More bpos will be needed. Although most people dont believe it or dont know about it the orginal plan of CCP was to have 5 tech levels. So things will only get more interesting as the game goes on.
As for the shop it was a revolutionary idea. But another idea would be to accept bulk orders... From alliances only and very large corporations. Accepting orders that only total in the billions of isk. I know that 0.0 alliances that dont have a lot of those bpos would be interested in getting some equipment.
The blacklist was a little extreme but with a little refining it could be made to work. But without things going on the EVE market it will eventually crash. Its all just now stabilizing. But good idea.
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Sir JoJo
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Posted - 2005.08.24 16:13:00 -
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its a shame to see u store close...... was really a good one and a shame to see this happens ;(
1 question...
are u still gona sell ship just by using market? whit then offcourse higher prices?
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R31D
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Posted - 2005.08.24 18:23:00 -
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Edited by: R31D on 24/08/2005 18:27:32
My PC was broken and so I wasn't able to buy anything from you guys. Big dissapointment on my end but I guess it's not your fault. I'm really hoping you guys can get another webshop up because otherwise I can see a lot of re-selling going on. Good luck in future enterprises and I'm going to have to hope my PC is fixed (I'm using a crappy PC that runs Internet Explorer and not much else atm) in time to get down to heimatar before stock run out
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Jorev
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Posted - 2005.08.24 21:05:00 -
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Another entity tries to declare war on the laws of economics and loses! Stop the pressess, this has never happened before.
NEXT: "I am gonna jump off 10 story building and live," proclaimed area resident.
"I give him props for trying, but no he didn't make it" comments his neighbour. "I think it is the community's fault, I hope next one to try succeeds"
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Rthor
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Posted - 2005.08.24 21:45:00 -
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I dont understand the love for Khatred regarding this. He said that he will try something but he could not pull it off. Now he is doing what he was more or less indirectly criticising others for, i.e. he will make a fortune off his BPOs.
He is a good businessman but he does not need or deserve so much goodwill as he seems to get in this thread because he simply had an idea that did not work or, as he admitted, was too much work for him.
Now I will get flamed by Khatred's fanboys, the fanboys he got by promising something to them that he ultimately did not deliver.
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Khatred
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Posted - 2005.08.24 22:12:00 -
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Rthor, you are nothing but a clueless flamer with a lot of envy pressing on your shoulders.
I tried to do something and I realised it's beyond my ability. You succeed everytime hypocrite?
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Rthor
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Posted - 2005.08.25 02:04:00 -
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I wrote that you are good businessman but now you put that into doubt. Whatever.
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Velios
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Posted - 2005.08.25 14:11:00 -
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Khatred, seeing as you are selling over the market now, why don't you just sell them for the same as all the other sellers? People WILL buy your stock just to resell it effectively making tonnes of profit from all your hard work.
Your heart is in the right place regarding prices, but imo its playing into the hands of profiteers. I would rather that YOU got the rewards for you and your corps hard work than some spotty teenager looking to make quick isk.
If you think I'm saying this because i sell a few T2 bits then that's not the case. Most of the stuff i pump out goes to corp members at cost or I have no probs selling the other gear through the market at top whack.
Your choice bud, but you alone will never be able to satisfy the demand enough to see prices come down market wide, feels like you are throwing isk to those that least deserve it or you want some kind of legendary "Robin Hood" status.
Good luck Khatred, make the most of what you have got for your corp and those closest to you, no one else will do that for you... quite the opposite. |
Zzazzt
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Posted - 2005.08.25 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: Velios
Good luck Khatred, make the most of what you have got for your corp and those closest to you, no one else will do that for you... quite the opposite.
What he said.
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