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Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
358
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Posted - 2013.03.18 01:33:00 -
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Ken 1138 wrote:It's quite simple, people really do "get off" on killing anything player related from noob ships to property. This is what I've learned from all types of games from shooters to MMOs like EVE. Since the start of online gaming many many people only play a game to ruin someone's day. EVE can have that hard hitting impact. However...
High sec wars and random PVP never make sense to me. The other side, the aggressor side isn't gaining anything, even if the kill drops something of value. Cost of buying the ship, fitting the ship, arming the ship, stocking the ship with ammo, waiting for a target and killing the target. You have lost everything. ISK, time, maybe even your ship and let's be honest respect from the other player. For what? A almost nothing bounty, a kill board post that few if anyone except yourself even look at?
I feel the same way about people who do nothing but mine, or mission, or station trade to accumulate stupid amounts of ISK without ever using it on anything but more mining accounts or a more pimped mission running ship. |
Asmodai Xodai
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2013.03.18 01:37:00 -
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Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:If you've ever studied game theory you'd get why every player shoots noobships, it's because it costs you nothing and there are possible benefits whereas not shooting you doesn't even have the possibility of benefits.
Actually, I have studied game theory. I'd be willing to bet my left testicle that the overwhelming number of people who play this game haven't (including the behavior of those you are trying to explain). In other words, I don't think people studying game theory explains this behavior.
And there is possibility of non-benefits. Everybody who shot me with a missle lost, because they paid for the missle but gained nothing. Meanwhile, I lost nothing. It's kind of funny.
Quote:But he doesn't do it for no reason, he does it for tears. Which you duly provided. Hopefully he's seen this forum thread now aswell for a bonus session
If he imagined that I provided tears, and if he imagines that I am providing more now, then more power to him, and I hope he has a good jerk-off session over it. And you too, if that's what floats your boat. |
YuuKnow
Terra-Formers
679
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Posted - 2013.03.18 01:39:00 -
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The hostility and aggressiveness of human nature is the reality. If you think that this is unfair, then you not realistic. The perpetual aggressiveness and hostility of Eve is what defines the danger of the zones that your in. The universe is a dangerous place.
Though I admit that 'war' that is motivated by economic losses and gains is more interesting.
yk |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
358
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Posted - 2013.03.18 01:43:00 -
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Asmodai Xodai wrote: Actually, I have studied game theory. I'd be willing to bet my left testicle that the overwhelming number of people who play this game haven't (including the behavior of those you are trying to explain). In other words, I don't think people studying game theory explains this behavior.
And there is possibility of non-benefits. Everybody who shot me with a missle lost, because they paid for the missle but gained nothing. Meanwhile, I lost nothing. It's kind of funny.
If he imagined that I provided tears, and if he imagines that I am providing more now, then more power to him, and I hope he has a good jerk-off session over it. And you too, if that's what floats your boat.
They don't need to have studied game theory to understand that the gains of shooting a noobship(possible cargo loot, denial of enemy intel, tears) outweigh the losses(a bit of ammo, some sec status, a short criminal and weapons lock timer). And you may have taken me too literally about the tears. You were clearly upset about the loss, or else you wouldn't have discussed the loss with the pirate and made this thread, |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
358
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Posted - 2013.03.18 01:46:00 -
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Slymah wrote:I'm sure that's what all these litter birds and mice are thinking when my cat kills them.
After all she doesn't eat them.. She just kills things for no reason.
Cats play with wounded mice aswell. They're evil bastards. |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
358
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Posted - 2013.03.18 01:48:00 -
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Nexus Day wrote:Some people don't care where their killmails come from. It isn't about the challenge, it is about the kill. One on one PvP in this game is based largely on gear. Being able to use gear comes from gaining SP. To gain SP all you have to do is start an account. To have better gear all you have to do is be subbed for longer than the other guy. The "leets", such as the one that killed the OP want to have a feeding frenzy. They want to "make it rain" killmails without any real risk then call people "carebears". Irony?
SItting on a lowsec gatecamp is hardly a zero risk activity. |
Asmodai Xodai
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2013.03.18 02:00:00 -
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Quote:You were clearly upset about the loss, or else you wouldn't have discussed the loss with the pirate and made this thread
Why would I be upset about the loss of a noobship that I fully intended to be lost? Indeed, how on earth can a noobship even be lost, since they are replaced for free?
Or perhaps you imply that I lost skillpoints or implants by having been podded? Check the killboards - I wasn't podded.
You confuse trying to understand the game, and trying to understand human psychology, with "being upset." And the understanding has been invaluable. Understand this, my friend. Probably unknowingly, you insulted these folks (and possibly yourself) far more than I ever did or could have. You said that these people essentially jerk off to other people's tears or misery. What kind of human being has such a miserable existence that he plays a game in order to take pleasure in what he imagines to be another person's suffering? I can't think of a greater form of lowlife.
It's hard to judge someone's "tone" through their writing, however if you were in any way "defending" (vs. simply explaining) said behavior, you put yourself in their camp.
At any rate, if what you said is true, I guess I learned something extremely valuable. Probably the best way to deal with such lowlife perverts in the future is the same way you deal with a crank caller who breathes heavy into your phone. You just hang up. |
Amyclas Amatin
The Phantom Regiment THE ROYAL NAVY
76
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Posted - 2013.03.18 02:08:00 -
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How about - all noobships are cynos.
Even if they are not cynos, they are not us.
Shoot it. NBSI is the whole rule of the law. The post that got me banned from Eve-Uni: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=210049&find=unread |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
358
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Posted - 2013.03.18 02:09:00 -
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Asmodai Xodai wrote:
At any rate, if what you said is true, I guess I learned something extremely valuable. Probably the best way to deal with such lowlife perverts in the future is the same way you deal with a crank caller who breathes heavy into your phone. You just hang up.
Yeah, pretty much. There's really not much to talk about after a gatecamp gank.
Also if you want to scout use a shuttle, they're a fair bit faster warping and most camps will struggle to catch them. |
Grimbriar Blitz
University of Caille Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.03.18 02:37:00 -
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Having played for one month (I post on an alt), I can honestly say that given my ~10-15 deaths trying to learn PvP, trying out null and low sec and just generally flying about, I haven't had any smack talk yet.
In fact, one of the guys who gave me a particularly embarrassing death convo'd me afterwards and gave me some great advice - some ships I might like given what I'd say I'd like my playstyle to be, skill paths, general tips for PvP, ways to avoid dying in the same way again etc.
I don't doubt the smack talk does happen, but perhaps if you had a more positive attitude you'd see more positives in it. |
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Skeln Thargensen
Filthy Carebear Tax Avoidance Shell Corp
62
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Posted - 2013.03.18 02:58:00 -
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yeah there are some very cool people playing who recognise that you're completely outclassed and give you encouragement for trying.
I guess it didn't work as I'm still a carebear but I'm a more adventurous one lately. I take back my previous statements and judgements of others. -áyou can mine in iteron if you want. |
Theron Vetrus
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2013.03.18 03:22:00 -
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Asmodai Xodai wrote:As to gazelles and lions, if you read my post you would understand that I already understand the point to a lion killing a gazelle. That's utterly rational. I'm asking what's the point to doing such a thing where there is no benefit.
No benefit for whom? The gazelle? Someone needs to watch the Lion King and pay attention to the little father/son speech about the Circle of Life.
Carebears are bottom feeders. They serve very little purpose in the grand scheme of things, except as canon fodder for those higher up on the food chain. In a universe that is driven by conflict and fueled by a player-created economy, those who choose not to interact with others around them will simply be destroyed without a second thought.
While the carebear himself is insignificant, his destroyed ship provides loot and salvage for others and a business opportunity for those who build ships. In short, a carebear is worth more dead than alive. |
Mire Stoude
Antelope with Night Vision Goggles
139
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Posted - 2013.03.18 03:58:00 -
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You had me at "obligatory" |
Naes Mlahrend
KINGS OF EDEN Sev3rance
79
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Posted - 2013.03.18 04:00:00 -
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Maybe he wasn't looking for "mindless PVP" and as many others stated he may have thought you were a spy or any other hazard to the system. If your interpretation of the conversation was in anyway accurate then the guy was more than likely just a tool but with such an exaggerated type of description, who knows what to believe.
You were in the wrong place at the right time in a noob ship. No big deal, let him have his big guy moment and just drive on with another free ship.
At any rate, good luck next time.
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Skeln Thargensen
Filthy Carebear Tax Avoidance Shell Corp
62
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Posted - 2013.03.18 04:01:00 -
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Theron Vetrus wrote:While the carebear himself is insignificant, his destroyed ship provides loot and salvage for others and a business opportunity for those who build ships. In short, a carebear is worth more dead than alive.
the OP was in a noob ship so none of that applies. I take back my previous statements and judgements of others. -áyou can mine in iteron if you want. |
Pantiy
Corporate Scum Test Friends Please Ignore
34
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Posted - 2013.03.18 04:02:00 -
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for lulz off. ~|~(~-á (~~|~-á-á -á |-á-á (__)-á-á-á |
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Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
1367
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Posted - 2013.03.18 04:06:00 -
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I like shooting spaceships, which is a very mindful activity thank you very much. I support Malcanis and Psychotic Monk for CSM8. |
Pantiy
Corporate Scum Test Friends Please Ignore
34
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Posted - 2013.03.18 04:10:00 -
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for lulz ofc. ~|~(~-á (~~|~-á-á -á |-á-á (__)-á-á-á |
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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
1144
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Posted - 2013.03.18 04:10:00 -
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OP answered his own question: If you think GD is full of trolls, wait until you see lowsec. EvE is like prison.-á It's a place when bad people go to learn how to become even worse people. |
dark heartt
I Own Four Sheep Silent Requiem
63
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Posted - 2013.03.18 04:16:00 -
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Asmodai Xodai wrote: Anyway, as far as I know, you don't earn "experience points" in this game by killing stuff, do you? And in the examples I am referring to, there is no piracy happening (stuff isn't taken from the victim - in fact there isn't any stuff to take). There are no assets being defended by the perpetrator because the perpetrator is never in a corp which owns the system in question (in fact, as far as I know 0.4 sec can't be owned by player corps), and the perpetrator seems to be operating as a "lone wolf."
Because kills like this one right here happen all the time in Eve. Someone tries to move expensive items in a noobship because hey it's free, and then gets killed. Sure that kill was in Jita, but it could have happened anywhere. |
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Skeln Thargensen
Filthy Carebear Tax Avoidance Shell Corp
62
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Posted - 2013.03.18 04:55:00 -
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^well that kill seems legit.
looks like the OP died to a serial camper. he has a most impressive K/D ratio and never, ever moves. I take back my previous statements and judgements of others. -áyou can mine in iteron if you want. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Resurgent Threat
125
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Posted - 2013.03.18 04:56:00 -
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Don't underestimate the noobship.
Especially if it is piloted by some character named 'AFKCloaky CynoAlt'. '... you cannot reason with the mining bots, you cannot negotiate with them, you can only bring them judgement in the form of Navy Antimatter, turn their Mackinaws to salvage and dust, smartbomb their pods, and burn their Mining Link implants with sweet incense...'- The Gospel according to St James 315 |
Asmodai Xodai
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
14
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Posted - 2013.03.18 05:57:00 -
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Skeln Thargensen wrote:looks like the OP died to a serial camper. he has a most impressive K/D ratio and never, ever moves.
It has happened many times. Same modus operandi (cloaked cruiser, blah blah). Same results. Just a different system and different perpetrator every time.
I have zero doubts that I could pull up the map right now and randomly pick any 0.4 system anywhere, and go there in a noobship or venture. The same exact thing with the same exact modus operandi would happen in very short order. I think all these "cloaked cruiser gankers" studied at the same school or something.
Try it yourself. Just check your clone first. |
dark heartt
I Own Four Sheep Silent Requiem
63
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Posted - 2013.03.18 06:05:00 -
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Asmodai Xodai wrote:Skeln Thargensen wrote:looks like the OP died to a serial camper. he has a most impressive K/D ratio and never, ever moves. It has happened many times. Same modus operandi (cloaked cruiser, blah blah). Same results. Just a different system and different perpetrator every time. I have zero doubts that I could pull up the map right now and randomly pick any 0.4 system anywhere, and go there in a noobship or venture. The same exact thing with the same exact modus operandi would happen in very short order. I think all these "cloaked cruiser gankers" studied at the same school or something. Try it yourself. Just check your clone first.
If you're going to do it, just do it in my 0.4 system I hang out in ok. |
Super spikinator
Hegemonous Conscripts Hegemonous Pandorum
117
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Posted - 2013.03.18 06:16:00 -
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+1 for tears. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
2252
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Posted - 2013.03.18 07:49:00 -
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Asmodai Xodai wrote:Skeln Thargensen wrote:looks like the OP died to a serial camper. he has a most impressive K/D ratio and never, ever moves. It has happened many times. Same modus operandi (cloaked cruiser, blah blah). Same results. Just a different system and different perpetrator every time. I have zero doubts that I could pull up the map right now and randomly pick any 0.4 system anywhere, and go there in a noobship or venture. The same exact thing with the same exact modus operandi would happen in very short order. I think all these "cloaked cruiser gankers" studied at the same school or something. Try it yourself. Just check your clone first.
Fit your Venture with a warp core stabilizer in the low slot, keep eye on the dscan, prealign while mining (align to something at low speed) and warp out immediately when you see anything on grid. Make safespots. None of these "cloaked cruisers" can catch a Venture who is at the keyboard- they have a targeting delay after decloaking before they can even start locking you up, so add this delay (5 seconds with max skills) + locking time = much much longer than Venture or noobship align time.
Also google up how to get your pod out alive if your ships is going down, unless someone already told you.
But Asmodai, you are correct that people shoot others without any reason that would make sense to you. EVE lacks meaningful objectives for solo and small gang pilots, so we are out there just for the thrill of the hunt. Killmails are important, every kill counts toward your monthly total, even if noobship kills generally look bad, or are even considered fakes. (people shooting their own alts for stats).
Or should a sandbox even present any objectives for players?
What kind of objectives a solo or small gang pilot could set, besides KB stats that satisfy them? (This is a real question). I love PVP, would adding some lite RP objectives improve my game?
Driving farmers out of wormholes would be something that I'd be interested in, but getting my space brosefs to shoot POSes is impossible, and I do understand them :D
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |
Tub Chil
Last Men Standing
38
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Posted - 2013.03.18 09:13:00 -
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What the hell is supposed to be a purpose of PVP, do you need purpose to shoot people in FPS game? |
Le Badass
Zealots of Bob
61
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Posted - 2013.03.18 09:21:00 -
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Personally, I enjoy the thrill of the hunt. Actually shooting my target is just the culmination of a series of steps I've taken to get on grid and in an advantageous position - Any of which could have gone wrong and resulted in the target escaping. The target can be an industrial, mining ship or noobship if there's nothing else around to shoot, but ships which can defend themselves do make more of an interesting challenge - Especially if you're a player with limited means.
The kill (or loss)-mail is a souvenir to remind me and my ingame friends of a good hunt.
The smack talking in local or private convos, however, I cannot relate to. I can only conclude that a certain part of the playerbase has some alternative emotional needs. As long as they operate within the limits of the EULA, you'll have to live with them. |
Lin Suizei
116
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Posted - 2013.03.18 09:41:00 -
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Just come back in a vexor or something and pop his tengu with gate guns... Xeros S*** > are you really suprised? im not here to pvp so why the fuc not Xeros S**** > oh go cry somewhere else, im not in fw for the ****** pvp
Welcome to faction war. |
Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
70
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Posted - 2013.03.18 10:52:00 -
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Asmodai Xodai wrote:Solstice Project wrote: Easy prey will always get killed first. It's natural. Except when babies are involved. /
Babies aren't off limits in the real world - see "abortion."
eeewwww.... You realize that prey usually gets eaten? There's nothing a million chinese guys can't do cheaper. |
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