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Osiris Ettnie
THE AESIR. Space Immigration
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Posted - 2013.03.19 13:20:00 -
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Is true solo PvP dead i've been atempting it lately had some success but if it was all i did i would run out of isk fast. It seems like everytime i get blobbed or no one will engadge in low and kills my sec status for no reason. If someone has had sucess i would like to talk mabye get some pointers or anything or just talk. Ive been using Battlecruiser but there expensive to lose alot. |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
667
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Posted - 2013.03.19 14:35:00 -
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Osiris Ettnie wrote:Is true solo PvP dead I've been attempting it lately had some success but if it was all i did i would run out of isk fast. I really like solo PvP and just can't seem to find my groove in it. It seems like every time i get blobbed or no one will engaged in low and kills my sec status for no reason. If someone has had success i would like to talk maybe get some pointers or anything or just talk. Ive been using Battlecruiser but there expensive to lose a lot. I don't use scouts or boosters either mabye that's what I need i don't know.
Soloing regularly in a BC without scouts/links is totally not viable unless you are jew-rich. Even the really good players that do this hardly manage to break a 50% isk efficiency doing it.. Even a cruiser is difficult. I would just go all the way down to frigs and dessies for 90% of the solo and bringing out bigger stuff for an occasional change of pace.
Less frustration, less isk cost (LESS DREADED PVE)
Its fun. Beyond Divinity Recruitment is open! |
monkfish2345
D'reg The Methodical Alliance
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Posted - 2013.03.19 14:52:00 -
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Something to understand is that for all the great videos players put out. they may contain maybe 5 or 6 fights which are watchable, but are a results of probably hundreds of fights mostly getting ganked, unless it is done with scouting / boosting.
As far as sec goes, your gonna screw yourself pretty hard if you only want to fight in low sec, because if you engage, people will run. if they engage they pretty much know they will win, usually with help just around the corner. i'd suggest you'd probably have more luck trying to use something smaller and going out into 0.0 and trying to pick off randoms.
personally when i have done this i go in a blarpy, but it's been a while since i felt the need. |
Captain Sage
United System's Commonwealth
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Posted - 2013.03.19 15:08:00 -
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Garviel Tarrant wrote:Osiris Ettnie wrote:Is true solo PvP dead I've been attempting it lately had some success but if it was all i did i would run out of isk fast. I really like solo PvP and just can't seem to find my groove in it. It seems like every time i get blobbed or no one will engaged in low and kills my sec status for no reason. If someone has had success i would like to talk maybe get some pointers or anything or just talk. Ive been using Battlecruiser but there expensive to lose a lot. I don't use scouts or boosters either mabye that's what I need i don't know. Soloing regularly in a BC without scouts/links is totally not viable unless you are jew-rich. Even the really good players that do this hardly manage to break a 50% isk efficiency doing it.. Even a cruiser is difficult. I would just go all the way down to frigs and dessies for 90% of the solo and bringing out bigger stuff for an occasional change of pace. Less frustration, less isk cost (LESS DREADED PVE) Its fun.
I agree with this. You can have loads of fun in a Frig. My favourite ever kill was when I was solo in a Taranis, I spotted a Geddon in a belt in D-Scan and was convinced it was bait but I went for it anyway. I warped in, got under his guns and proceeded to hammer away at his buffer tank. His drones had me in structure as he finally popped. Throughout the whole engagement I was spamming D-Scan expecting the blob, it never came. We both had a chat and a laugh afterwards.
It was just good fun, but I admit it was a few years ago and finding solo targets is becoming harder and harder. Fear my pets!! |
Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
324
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Posted - 2013.03.19 15:21:00 -
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True solo is hard to come by. Proliferation of OGB has nearly killed it off. derp? |
Kobalos
Templars Old Guard
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Posted - 2013.03.19 15:57:00 -
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I'm new to PvP and I solo almost exclusively, as I'm not on very consistently.
1st - Get out of the BC's...unless you still need to learn that there are people in frigs and dessies that are going to lock you down and wreck your day. 2cnd - be sure you can properly fit at least t1 frigs and dessies. 3rd - while you are doing the above - take a look at some youtube PvP vids. I think there is one that is called eveiseasy or something like that. In any event, look and see what other PvPers do to win. You might not be able to kite well enough to split up a small blob and pick off the weaklings, but you can at least see what they do and you can both have something to emulate and you know what to avoid. 4th - be prepared to loose lots of ships learning. You should be able to walk away from every fight and reflect on something that you could have done better. I have noticed, personally, that most of my losses have very little to do with my ship or my ability to fly it. Rather, almost 100% of my losses have been because of a mistake I made personally before combat was ever engaged. To facilitate this, when possible talk to the person that popped you. Not everyone will want to talk with you, but if you are amiable and good natured there are plenty of folks that are happy to tell you what they leveraged against you to score the kill. At least, that has been my experience.
I hope that helps.
Fly Dangerously and With a Vengeance!
- Kobalos |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
669
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Posted - 2013.03.19 15:59:00 -
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monkfish2345 wrote:Something to understand is that for all the great videos players put out. they may contain maybe 5 or 6 fights which are watchable, but are a results of probably hundreds of fights mostly getting ganked, unless it is done with scouting / boosting.
As far as sec goes, your gonna screw yourself pretty hard if you only want to fight in low sec, because if you engage, people will run. if they engage they pretty much know they will win, usually with help just around the corner. i'd suggest you'd probably have more luck trying to use something smaller and going out into 0.0 and trying to pick off randoms.
personally when i have done this i go in a blarpy, but it's been a while since i felt the need.
Suggesting that 0.0 has a lower number of blob bads...
If you're doing frigs/dessies low sec is the place to be,
for Bc's though it might be better going null. Beyond Divinity Recruitment is open! |
Zenos Ebeth
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
58
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Posted - 2013.03.19 16:02:00 -
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I'd recommend checking out FW space , preferrably in a frigate sized ship , plenty of opportunity for fights. Also , use the map setting that allows you to see average number of pilot in last 30 minutes , makes it a lot easier to get fights. |
Kobalos
Templars Old Guard
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Posted - 2013.03.19 16:29:00 -
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Zenos Ebeth wrote:I'd recommend checking out FW space , preferrably in a frigate sized ship , plenty of opportunity for fights. Also , use the map setting that allows you to see average number of pilot in last 30 minutes , makes it a lot easier to get fights.
I'm sorry - Did I fail to mention in my wall of text that I was doing FW? lol ^^^ FW is good. |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1213
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Posted - 2013.03.19 16:56:00 -
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Osiris Ettnie wrote:Is true solo PvP dead I've been attempting it lately had some success but if it was all i did i would run out of isk fast. I really like solo PvP and just can't seem to find my groove in it. It seems like every time i get blobbed or no one will engaged in low and kills my sec status for no reason. If someone has had success i would like to talk maybe get some pointers or anything or just talk. Ive been using Battlecruiser but there expensive to lose a lot. I don't use scouts or boosters either mabye that's what I need i don't know.
Join FW, fly frigates or dessies. Plenty of one-on-one fights to be had; you just have to choose carefully and not be afraid to run or not engage if too many reds appear. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
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Skelee VI
Sturmgrenadier Inc
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Posted - 2013.03.19 19:28:00 -
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I been soloing pretty much since I started playing eve. It is not as easy as it used to be but still possible. Have to pick your targets.
Rules: 1. You will lose a ship 2. You will get podded 3. You will get blobed or ganked up on. 4. You will run into gate camps 5. there will worse pilots than you 6. there will be better pilots than you
So I get in a ship I can afford to lose, no implants and go out have fun. Sometimes I get some nice kills and GF, sometimes get killed and podded home. I used to fly a cynabal, can't afford to lose that anymore and dont look good on KB. Now I fly AF's, detroyers ,faction frigs even SB sometimes too. Each engagement I figure out if i either did something wrong or I was just plain beat.
Only thing I suggest is setup your settings to what ship your are flying before hand, orbit, keep from distance, ammo etc. then u see target make decision to fight or run |
Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society the devil's tattoo
854
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Posted - 2013.03.19 20:02:00 -
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Osiris Ettnie wrote:Is true solo PvP dead I've been attempting it lately had some success but if it was all i did i would run out of isk fast. I really like solo PvP and just can't seem to find my groove in it. It seems like every time i get blobbed or no one will engaged in low and kills my sec status for no reason. If someone has had success i would like to talk maybe get some pointers or anything or just talk. Ive been using Battlecruiser but there expensive to lose a lot. I don't use scouts or boosters either mabye that's what I need i don't know.
I fly true solo.
I use faction war plexes to get fights. It is better then ever in my 4 years of eve.
I mainly fly frigates but some cruisers and destroyers.
I am not in faction war that way I can shoot both sides. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Osiris Ettnie
THE AESIR. Space Immigration
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Posted - 2013.03.20 07:15:00 -
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thx guys a lot of good info you guys dished out i think in my post i sounded kinda newbish im not a newb btw lol ive been PvPing for about two and a half years now i think what my biggest problem is like a lot of you said is ship class im thinking they just bring to much attention to myself people see a 100mill kill mail and will do anything to get it i would problably do the same. Ive gotten a few goodfights in my time and just wanted more but i guess im expecting alot lol just frustrating losing a BC after roaming in null or low for 3 hours getting a kill or two hoping to make up for your loss you know is going to happen |
Akai Kvaesir
In Exile.
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Posted - 2013.03.20 08:11:00 -
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Faction Warfare is the new sexy.
And by sexy, I mean awesome small-scale PVP, be it solo or small-gang. Most of the fights you find are frig+dessie, but a lot of times fights escalate up to BC's and whatnot, which makes a lot of fights a lot more enjoyable and emergent. Plus, if you plex offensively while you go a'roaming, you can not only get yourself free ships (relatively speaking), but you can also find constant PVP.
Just keep a weather-eye on dscan while you do it though, it's not fun getting gangbanged by your enemy's fleet. Frogblast the Vent Core! When the W'rkncacnter came, Pthia was killed, and Yrro in anger, flung the W'rkncacnter into the sun. The sun burned them, but they swam on its surface. |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
1595
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Posted - 2013.03.20 09:57:00 -
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It works for me. Had some fun soloing around. Most soloers i know try to fly ships which allow them to disengage early in the fight. Ships which can dictate range increase your survivability. a eve-style bounty system (done)-á dust boarding parties You fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked |
Fagotine Saisima
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.03.20 15:06:00 -
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The main thing ruining solo-pvp in this game isn't blobbing it's ECM. I honestly have no idea what CCP was thinking when they developed ECM. It makes you unable to fight back. A mechanic that's preventing fights is a broken mechanic in my opinion. Solo-PvP was the only thing still giving me satisfaction in this game. It was the only thing giving me intense fights and I still get that occasionally, but most of the time I end up being permajammed and dying with only a few seconds of me fighting back. I've died countless times with my main being permajammed while me frantically trying to lock something before dying, unsuccessfully. Even just a frig can take out pretty much anything when he's got a friendly falcon 70km away. You won't have time to kill anything if he miss an ECM-cycle until you get jammed again the next cycle.
Sure I can stop whining and fit a couple of ECCM-mods (because only 1 doesn't do it, believe me I've tried). This will totatlly nerf whatever ship I intend to fly. Or I could just stop paying the subs I've been paying since 2006. I recently had a 3 month break from the game and just came back. Blob-warfare isn't fun to me. I only get satisfaction from skirmish and solo-roaming. If I go on another hiatus from EVE I fear I won't find the motivation to return. Small scale and solo-pvp has been neglected for too long. Like I said in the opening ECM is the number one reason preventing good fights when solo.
CCP should remove ECM from the game entirely. It's a broken mechanic which is preventing fights. |
Osiris Ettnie
THE AESIR. Space Immigration
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Posted - 2013.03.20 17:21:00 -
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Fagotine Saisima wrote:The main thing ruining solo-pvp in this game isn't blobbing it's ECM. I honestly have no idea what CCP was thinking when they developed ECM. It makes you unable to fight back. A mechanic that's preventing fights is a broken mechanic in my opinion. Solo-PvP was the only thing still giving me satisfaction in this game. It was the only thing giving me intense fights and I still get that occasionally, but most of the time I end up being permajammed and dying with only a few seconds of me fighting back. I've died countless times with my main being permajammed while me frantically trying to lock something before dying, unsuccessfully. Even just a frig can take out pretty much anything when he's got a friendly falcon 70km away. You won't have time to kill anything if he miss an ECM-cycle until you get jammed again the next cycle.
Sure I can stop whining and fit a couple of ECCM-mods (because only 1 doesn't do it, believe me I've tried). This will totatlly nerf whatever ship I intend to fly. Or I could just stop paying the subs I've been paying since 2006. I recently had a 3 month break from the game and just came back. Blob-warfare isn't fun to me. I only get satisfaction from skirmish and solo-roaming. If I go on another hiatus from EVE I fear I won't find the motivation to return. Small scale and solo-pvp has been neglected for too long. Like I said in the opening ECM is the number one reason preventing good fights when solo.
CCP should remove ECM from the game entirely. It's a broken mechanic which is preventing fights.
I agree ECM is over powering but i don't think it should be removed from the game i believe the biggest flaw in ECM is range the fact that you can be jammed over 100km away with a good falcon pilot is bullshit the fact that he doesn't have to be in the fight but yet can have such a large influence on it is just rediculous |
Lady Spank
GET OUT NASTY FACE
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Posted - 2013.03.20 18:47:00 -
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It's still possible but it's the hardest thing you could hope to do in the game. Dying 'unfairly' is common and more or less unavoidable. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ (my spaceblog) http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.co.uk/~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Cpt Arareb
Ideal Machine Diplomatic Incidents
42
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Posted - 2013.03.22 06:28:00 -
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from my humble experience, solo pvp in bc in lowsec will get you blobbed 90% of the times, and if you starting I would suggest go with frigates /dessies, you can have alot of fun with those and only be 50% blobbed |
Moonlit Raid
State War Academy Caldari State
76
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Posted - 2013.03.22 10:50:00 -
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Singularity gives me my pvp fix because as has been stated above engagements are just too random for me. |
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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
711
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Posted - 2013.03.22 11:34:00 -
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Moonlit Raid wrote:Singularity gives me my pvp fix because as has been stated above engagements are just too random for me.
Sisi doesn't count. BYDI (Shadow cartel) Recruitment open!
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Cynthia Nezmor
Nezmor's Golden Griffins
197
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Posted - 2013.04.06 11:02:00 -
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Fagotine Saisima wrote:The main thing ruining solo-pvp in this game isn't blobbing it's ECM. I honestly have no idea what CCP was thinking when they developed ECM. It makes you unable to fight back. A mechanic that's preventing fights is a broken mechanic in my opinion. Solo-PvP was the only thing still giving me satisfaction in this game. It was the only thing giving me intense fights and I still get that occasionally, but most of the time I end up being permajammed and dying with only a few seconds of me fighting back. I've died countless times with my main being permajammed while me frantically trying to lock something before dying, unsuccessfully. Even just a frig can take out pretty much anything when he's got a friendly falcon 70km away. You won't have time to kill anything if he miss an ECM-cycle until you get jammed again the next cycle.
Sure I can stop whining and fit a couple of ECCM-mods (because only 1 doesn't do it, believe me I've tried). This will totatlly nerf whatever ship I intend to fly. Or I could just stop paying the subs I've been paying since 2006. I recently had a 3 month break from the game and just came back. Blob-warfare isn't fun to me. I only get satisfaction from skirmish and solo-roaming. If I go on another hiatus from EVE I fear I won't find the motivation to return. Small scale and solo-pvp has been neglected for too long. Like I said in the opening ECM is the number one reason preventing good fights when solo.
CCP should remove ECM from the game entirely. It's a broken mechanic which is preventing fights.
No. When your obvious bait Hurricane turns to be a bloody cyno ship and you nullbears waste your titan bridge just to kill my Caracal alt, then I decloak the Falcon and harvest your tears. My Falcon doesn't get you killed, it only makes it possibly to escape from your fleet. My Pilgrim that shuts down your guns and tank gets you killed. My Loki that isn't even on the grid to use nasty ECM on you gets you killed - and my Rapier webbing you at 100 km definitely gets most of your good solo ships killed. If I am not too lazy and I get my Arazu too, then you can say goodbye to any solo pvp even if you have 4 bil implants and your own Loki.
Problem is never mechanics, it's people. Your "solo" pvper only wants to "solo" with his OGB alt. Your "true solo elite warlord" pvper only wants to solo against newbies. (personal experience: "I heard it in our supersecret intel channel that someone's corpmate once saw a killmail of yours with a blackbird on it, this means you never undock without your MULTIPLE FALCON ALTS, I WONT FIGHT YOU, YOU *****!!! ") Your "small gang pvper" is not out there to engage fleets with his small elite wing. He is out there to kill "solo" pvpers and preferably lone carebears.
You might be looking for fight. Most people log in to farm. |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch The Bloody Ronin Syndicate
418
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Posted - 2013.04.06 11:36:00 -
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Thing is that every good soldier knows everything about combat mechanics, he gathers intel about enemy , studies his enemy , feeds false intel, makes everything to look what it really is not and uses all tricks to win etc... This is only way to be true master of pvp in EVE too.
To be good solo pvper in EVE you need many years experience and good teachers to master it.
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Tsukino Stareine
EVE University Ivy League
49
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Posted - 2013.04.06 16:02:00 -
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Fagotine Saisima wrote:I cant kill someone with a falcon alt/friend by myself
is all im seeing here. |
Senator Lennon
Blazing Sun Dauntless.
0
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Posted - 2013.04.06 16:40:00 -
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Kobalos wrote:
1st - Get out of the BC's...unless you still need to learn that there are people in frigs and dessies that are going to lock you down and wreck your day.
- Kobalos
Yeah, there's nothing more frustrating than getting your drake locked down by a merlin or something you can't hit and sitting there for 5 minutes waiting for blob to come |
Terhiss
Moira. Villore Accords
12
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Posted - 2013.04.06 17:49:00 -
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Cynthia Nezmor wrote:[quote=Fagotine Saisima]
Problem is never mechanics, it's people. Your "solo" pvper only wants to "solo" with his OGB alt. Your "true solo elite warlord" pvper only wants to solo against newbies.
You might be looking for fight. Most people log in to farm.
I have still a long road to go to be a decent pvper, but I extensively solo without Off-grid boosters (not trained for it yet), no Falcon support (I dont have multiple accounts), and I engage whoever is willing to fight, or occasionally who was just unlucky to warp to me at my optimal.
I get kills and also many losses, but the satisfaction is exponential compared to "purple-overview" fleets. Small-scale true solo in lowsec is live and breathing.
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Major Killz
163
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Posted - 2013.04.07 00:41:00 -
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Well. I haven'i found solo to be that different from when I started. Im able to solo in frigates to command ships successfully.
I tend to use battleships for special engagements but not so much anymore (Tech 3's).
To become good takes time and alot of losses and best done with frigates or destroyers (I prefer destroyers).
Having really good spatial awareness, instincts and reaction time is something REALLY good warriors have. That is the martial height of solo from what I have observed of myself and others.
I suppose you should be aware of there is no "fair" in game or in real life. Get that out of your head now and you wont waste breath crying about it later. Looking for 1 versus 1 is a waste of time so except you will almost always be numerically inferior to prey.
In fact. I engage multiple targets on purpose because although there is a greater risk of losing one ship. There may also be a chance of destroying multple or single ships in an engagement and surviving. This often results in a 4 - 20 killz per day average giving Im able to play for 3 - 8 hours per day. So I increase my chances of kills by engaging numerically superior prey. Which is alot better than looking for and expecting 1 versus 1's. If you want that go dual someone in high security space.
I tend not to use an alternative character with warfare-links or for scouting but I do from time to time and have multiple characters able to do so. Mainly because Im lazy and also it makes my gameplay easier. When something is EASY I tend not to play it anymore (no challenge).
Most of my own losses are because I choose to put my self in seriously dumb situations at GREAT risk for the chance of something thrilling v0v or BOREDOM.
SO NO.
I dont believe solo has become more difficult YET. I find it EASY IN FACT (boring too). Given time invested and a lot of losses. You will gain the abilities needed to survive. Although. If off grid boosters become widely used then I would be forced to use them all the time. Atleast to survive in that enviroment and then everyone would be in the same situation I suppose. People would worry about 19k web range instead of 13k v0v
SOLO PVP CAN NEVER DIE. Saying that is stupid and not factual. SOLO PVP can only become more difficult to the point where the negatives outweigh the benifits.
- killz |
Major Killz
163
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Posted - 2013.04.07 00:51:00 -
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Also. You can EARN isk soloing and I have in the past and I can now. In fact I can do so using battlecruisers or cruisers solo. Mainly just by winning and "looting" modules from wrecks. In the past I was able to make enough each month to pay for a PLEX and have 500 million left for the whole month to purchase ships. With that said. I had to consider things like cost to performance so I used alot of tech 1 ships. I still do do...
- killz |
archon o'v
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.04.07 02:25:00 -
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I've got about 20-30 of each ships types that I can fly with rank V and to me solo pvp is quite fun, like I don't care if I loose at all if its a ship thats 10mil or 100mil.
I like the momentum of surprise when you warp in and you see a fleet of ships locking onto you and trying to catch up to you. To me if I get ganked by 10 ships I feel like a winner, you ask why I say because if it was 1v1 he would loose and since I lost vs 10 I'm still a winner cause it took whole 10 of them to take me down :)
Long story short solo pvp is there you just need to take it a it comes and leave the scene with a smile whether you win or loose.
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Taoist Dragon
Bastion of Mad Behaviour Caldari State Capturing
351
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Posted - 2013.04.07 14:19:00 -
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True solo pvp requires a very certain mindset.
One that the vast majority of eve just doesn't have anymore. That is the Way, the Tao.
Balance is everything. |
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