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Alara IonStorm 4677	Posted - 2013.03.20 19:29:00 - [31] - Quote Organization is the greatest skill in EVE, it dominates all other when it comes to power and influence. Just the fact that so many share the same channel is in itself the best tool for getting your guy elected. Null Sec can exert influence on Hi Sec with ganks and market manipulation and wars while the reverse can not and it sure isn't because Hi-Seccers are pacifists. Lots of Hi-Seccers can fight fine, it is because there is no unifying force to united the masses and probably never will be. Why? Well there are a lot of Hi Sec Corps who do get powerful, so they have 100 members, they then join with 8 more corps to get 500 members and are looking into wormholes and low sec and defending from war. At some point they notice that they are no longer a Mom and Pop operation and in search of greater opportunities they set them self up in wait for it... Null Sec. Or Wormholes some times. Hi Sec isn't inducive to power because all the Hi Sec people who can organize themselves do and then they leave. So like the real world if you want to influence elections get organized.
Destru Kaneda CTRL-Q Iron Oxide. 196	Posted - 2013.03.20 19:37:00 - [32] - Quote Abrazzar wrote: Only way to express your displeasure with the CSM its system is to vote abstain. Only way? Yes, big changes happen from a dissenting minority doing practically nothing. Wait, that doesn't sound right. If you really wanted to send a message you'd run as an abstaining candidate, get all the like-minded people to vote for you, somehow win the election and then tell CCP to sit and spin. But it would mean actually doing something, so ** that. Music for robots, geeks, hackers, and nerds.** Nerdiest homepage on the internet?
DarthNefarius Minmatar Heavy Industries 729	Posted - 2013.03.20 19:44:00 - [33] - Quote Destru Kaneda wrote: Only way to express your displeasure with the CSM its system is to vote abstain. That is one reason why I believe Compulsary Sufferage should be instituted into these elelections so we get a truer idea of how many share your displeasure or just don't know any better. Ripard Teg-á for CSM 8
Karl Hobb Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium 1383	Posted - 2013.03.20 19:55:00 - [34] - Quote Ranger 1 wrote: Karl Hobb wrote: Ranger 1 wrote: Karl Hobb wrote: "CSM Member" is a position that bloggers who think they're awesome "communicators" aspire to. Yep, which makes sense. Eloquent communication, both to CCP and to the community is pretty much the name of the game. That and a solid understanding not only of the game mechanics, but of how people use (or will use) them. Not sure if you missed the sarcasm or detected it and cleverly rebutted with additional sarcasm. <_< I "saw" your sarcasm and raised you a "but that's not actually a bad thing". Except when said blogger has an over-inflated sense of their "communication" skills. Also, the bolded part makes me laugh even though I now realize we're not talking about the same person. I support Malcanis and Psychotic Monk for CSM8.
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 3786	Posted - 2013.03.20 20:27:00 - [35] - Quote Karl Hobb wrote: Ranger 1 wrote: Karl Hobb wrote: Ranger 1 wrote: Karl Hobb wrote: "CSM Member" is a position that bloggers who think they're awesome "communicators" aspire to. Yep, which makes sense. Eloquent communication, both to CCP and to the community is pretty much the name of the game. That and a solid understanding not only of the game mechanics, but of how people use (or will use) them. Not sure if you missed the sarcasm or detected it and cleverly rebutted with additional sarcasm. <_< I "saw" your sarcasm and raised you a "but that's not actually a bad thing". Except when said blogger has an over-inflated sense of their "communication" skills. Also, the bolded part makes me laugh even though I now realize we're not talking about the same person. I'll freely admit some are much better at all of the above than others. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base.
DarthNefarius Minmatar Heavy Industries 729	Posted - 2013.03.20 21:18:00 - [36] - Quote Alara IonStorm wrote: Why? Well there are a lot of Hi Sec Corps who do get powerful, so they have 100 members, they then join with 8 more corps to get 500 members and are looking into wormholes and low sec and defending from war. At some point they notice that they are no longer a Mom and Pop operation and in search of greater opportunities they set them self up in wait for it... Null Sec. Or Wormholes some times. Hi Sec isn't inducive to power because all the Hi Sec people who can organize themselves do and then they leave. While I think this is 1 reason why HI SEC isn'tinductive to large organizations I don't hink its the only one... NULL SEC is by game mechanics design for large organizations to afford Titans & supers & to fend off large Mongo hordes. Industrial/mining HI SEC corps are disadvantaged from joining/forming large corps because itmales them bigger targets for war decc'ing Incursioners' HI SEC corps are disadvantaged from joining/forming large corps because it makes them bigger targets for war decc'ing etc Ripard Teg-á for CSM 8
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 7143	Posted - 2013.03.20 23:13:00 - [37] - Quote why do you capitalize "hisec" ~a proud belligerent undesirable~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8
Dave Stark 2063	Posted - 2013.03.20 23:16:00 - [38] - Quote Vaju Enki wrote: Hi-sec will get representation, James 315. i'm going to laugh so hard if he gets on to the CSM. Want miners to move from high sec to null sec? Then give them a reason to join player corps, and stop null sec grav sites being worth less isk/hour than high sec asteroid belts. Really isn't difficult.
Angelique Duchemin Serenity Prime Kraken. 279	Posted - 2013.03.20 23:59:00 - [39] - Quote DarthNefarius wrote: Angelique Duchemin wrote: CCP is well aware of how the CSM is shifted in favour of nullsec. CCP's number one priority is to keep all players "comfortable" to the degree they can without scaring away any specific group and they would never let the CSM jeopardize the subscription income brought in by the high sec players. I take it you base this premise of CCP Infallability because of CCP's awesomeness & spectacluar history of never making anything unbalanced No I base it on Null sec players being the biggest moaners over how things are now but at the same time being the players least likely to leave the game for another game. Catering to the null sec community at the cost of the high sec community doesn't make sense financially because the null sec players aren't going anywhere but the high sec players are a flaky group of mixed industrialists, skittish miners, mission runners and new players. If they are fed to the null sec wolves, CCP could stand to lose a great deal of money. We miss you Saede.
Mike Mulder Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2013.03.21 00:01:00 - [40] - Quote Dave Stark wrote: Vaju Enki wrote: Hi-sec will get representation, James 315. i'm going to laugh so hard if he gets on to the CSM. Actually, James decided today to not run for CSM.

Bane Veradun Black Sun Dawning 9	Posted - 2013.03.21 00:05:00 - [41] - Quote Vaju Enki wrote: Hi-sec will get representation, James 315. Too bad he is in the pockets of nulsec idealism. A lion that needs his prey to lay down in front of him, is no lion at all. He's a pet.
Toshiroma McDiesel Lupus Draconis Dragehund 104	Posted - 2013.03.21 00:05:00 - [42] - Quote Beekeeper Bob wrote: And if null is so highly represented why has 0.0 been broken for years, and nothing done about it? You are making a huge mistake thinking that Null players actually want anything in Null changed. *I"m not really the Evil One, I'm just his answering service.*
dark heartt I Own Four Sheep Silent Requiem 69	Posted - 2013.03.21 01:30:00 - [43] - Quote Vaju Enki wrote: Hi-sec will get representation, James 315. I laughed. He pulled out because, 'WAAAA NDA means I can't nerf anything, and now CCP picks who goes to Iceland so I'm going to throw in my towel and not even bother.' The guy is a joke who is good for some tears on his blog, but most of the other stuff he talks about is like the ramblings of a madman. I personally have nothing against him and the gameplay he inspires, but he certainly isn't the sort of person who would get votes from anyone in high sec.
Dave Stark 2064	Posted - 2013.03.21 01:31:00 - [44] - Quote Mike Mulder wrote: Dave Stark wrote: Vaju Enki wrote: Hi-sec will get representation, James 315. i'm going to laugh so hard if he gets on to the CSM. Actually, James decided today to not run for CSM. saves himself the embarrassment of having nobody vote for him, i guess. Want miners to move from high sec to null sec? Then give them a reason to join player corps, and stop null sec grav sites being worth less isk/hour than high sec asteroid belts. Really isn't difficult.
Angelique Duchemin Serenity Prime Kraken. 279	Posted - 2013.03.21 01:56:00 - [45] - Quote Dave Stark wrote: Mike Mulder wrote: Dave Stark wrote: Vaju Enki wrote: Hi-sec will get representation, James 315. i'm going to laugh so hard if he gets on to the CSM. Actually, James decided today to not run for CSM. saves himself the embarrassment of having nobody vote for him, i guess. I get the same feeling. He has built himself a house of cards consisting solely of fragile e-genitalia. I doubt he has the fortitude to run without being sure of winning. We miss you Saede.
Oxandrolone Bite Me inc Bitten. 164	Posted - 2013.03.21 02:17:00 - [46] - Quote high secers can barely organize their own ship fits let alone a voteing bloc. there either super casual or just bad players, why else would they live in highsec?
Frying Doom 1995	Posted - 2013.03.21 02:22:00 - [47] - Quote dark heartt wrote: Vaju Enki wrote: Hi-sec will get representation, James 315. I laughed. He pulled out because, 'WAAAA NDA means I can't nerf anything, and now CCP picks who goes to Iceland so I'm going to throw in my towel and not even bother.' The guy is a joke who is good for some tears on his blog, but most of the other stuff he talks about is like the ramblings of a madman. I personally have nothing against him and the gameplay he inspires, but he certainly isn't the sort of person who would get votes from anyone in high sec. While I do find James and his cronies a joke I do not find the idea that CCP can chose the 5 going to Iceland a joke. It was a massive hit to the players power within the CSM And frankly I think we can save time by just refering to those people as the brown nosing 5. We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
dark heartt I Own Four Sheep Silent Requiem 69	Posted - 2013.03.21 02:26:00 - [48] - Quote Frying Doom wrote: dark heartt wrote: Vaju Enki wrote: Hi-sec will get representation, James 315. I laughed. He pulled out because, 'WAAAA NDA means I can't nerf anything, and now CCP picks who goes to Iceland so I'm going to throw in my towel and not even bother.' The guy is a joke who is good for some tears on his blog, but most of the other stuff he talks about is like the ramblings of a madman. I personally have nothing against him and the gameplay he inspires, but he certainly isn't the sort of person who would get votes from anyone in high sec. While I do find James and his cronies a joke I do not find the idea that CCP can chose the 5 going to Iceland a joke. It was a massive hit to the players power within the CSM And frankly I think we can save time by just refering to those people as the brown nosing 5. And yet it would allow them to actually reward those who put effort into the CSM, so people who are just troll candidates like Darius III won't get elected into a spot where they can do nothing and still go to Iceland. It's not as ideal as the CSM voting on it, but it's better than that.
Andracin Sickology 68	Posted - 2013.03.21 02:31:00 - [49] - Quote IMO it don't matter who gets on the CSM. They go tell CCP things CCP already knows because the Devs read the forums too, CCP says "thanks for all the help" and then usually end the meetings by either saying they don't have the code to fix the issues or their working on it some time soon. CCP then does whatever they are going to do cause its their game. At the end of the day and the CSM is a way to make players feel good about having a voice. Much like voting new politicians to congress changes U.S. policy...
Frying Doom 1995	Posted - 2013.03.21 02:45:00 - [50] - Quote dark heartt wrote: Frying Doom wrote: dark heartt wrote: Vaju Enki wrote: Hi-sec will get representation, James 315. I laughed. He pulled out because, 'WAAAA NDA means I can't nerf anything, and now CCP picks who goes to Iceland so I'm going to throw in my towel and not even bother.' The guy is a joke who is good for some tears on his blog, but most of the other stuff he talks about is like the ramblings of a madman. I personally have nothing against him and the gameplay he inspires, but he certainly isn't the sort of person who would get votes from anyone in high sec. While I do find James and his cronies a joke I do not find the idea that CCP can chose the 5 going to Iceland a joke. It was a massive hit to the players power within the CSM And frankly I think we can save time by just refering to those people as the brown nosing 5. And yet it would allow them to actually reward those who put effort into the CSM, so people who are just troll candidates like Darius III won't get elected into a spot where they can do nothing and still go to Iceland. It's not as ideal as the CSM voting on it, but it's better than that. Do you mean as apposed to the last 2 CSM secretaries who haven't done their jobs? So no it will not reward hard work, it will reward those who play the game, and pucker up. We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke

Frying Doom 1995	Posted - 2013.03.21 02:47:00 - [51] - Quote Andracin wrote: IMO it don't matter who gets on the CSM. They go tell CCP things CCP already knows because the Devs read the forums too, CCP says "thanks for all the help" and then usually end the meetings by either saying they don't have the code to fix the issues or their working on it some time soon. CCP then does whatever they are going to do cause its their game. At the end of the day and the CSM is a way to make players feel good about having a voice. Much like voting new politicians to congress changes U.S. policy... You should check out more of the US laws. Adding new people to congress makes a big change, a change in the number of people certain laws can no longer effect. We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
Super spikinator Hegemonous Conscripts Hegemonous Pandorum 117	Posted - 2013.03.21 02:53:00 - [52] - Quote Dave Stark wrote: Vaju Enki wrote: Hi-sec will get representation, James 315. i'm going to laugh so hard if he gets on to the CSM. James has taken his hat out of the race. He has decided that the candidacy would negatively affect his blog and outreach by curtailing what information he can post about.
Angelique Duchemin Serenity Prime Kraken. 280	Posted - 2013.03.21 02:58:00 - [53] - Quote dark heartt wrote: Frying Doom wrote: dark heartt wrote: Vaju Enki wrote: Hi-sec will get representation, James 315. I laughed. He pulled out because, 'WAAAA NDA means I can't nerf anything, and now CCP picks who goes to Iceland so I'm going to throw in my towel and not even bother.' The guy is a joke who is good for some tears on his blog, but most of the other stuff he talks about is like the ramblings of a madman. I personally have nothing against him and the gameplay he inspires, but he certainly isn't the sort of person who would get votes from anyone in high sec. While I do find James and his cronies a joke I do not find the idea that CCP can chose the 5 going to Iceland a joke. It was a massive hit to the players power within the CSM And frankly I think we can save time by just refering to those people as the brown nosing 5. And yet it would allow them to actually reward those who put effort into the CSM, so people who are just troll candidates like Darius III won't get elected into a spot where they can do nothing and still go to Iceland. It's not as ideal as the CSM voting on it, but it's better than that. The spirit of democracy is that the will of the people comes first. Regardless of who they choose as their representatives. They people cannot vote "wrong" on who represents their will in power. But with CCP pulling every single string to begin with I just wish they would throw out this farce of an election and just pick the candidates themselves. Super spikinator wrote: James has taken his hat out of the race. He has decided that the candidacy would negatively affect his blog and outreach by curtailing what information he can post about. Huh, really. I'll give him partial credit for the accuracy of that prediction. Maybe I underestimated him. We miss you Saede.
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 7145	Posted - 2013.03.21 02:59:00 - [54] - Quote Frying Doom wrote: Do you mean as apposed to the last 2 CSM secretaries who haven't done their jobs? So no it will not reward hard work, it will reward those who play the game, and pucker up. I hope you're not talking about Two Step because he's been a goddamn excellent secretary. ~a proud belligerent undesirable~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8
Frying Doom 1995	Posted - 2013.03.21 03:06:00 - [55] - Quote Andski wrote: Frying Doom wrote: Do you mean as apposed to the last 2 CSM secretaries who haven't done their jobs? So no it will not reward hard work, it will reward those who play the game, and pucker up. I hope you're not talking about Two Step because he's been a goddamn excellent secretary. Would you like to back that up with actual proof besides the minutes as the secretaries job is a hell of a lot more than just that. We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault. Stupid Signature Broke
silens vesica Corsair Cartel 1050	Posted - 2013.03.21 03:52:00 - [56] - Quote This thread is delivering giggles. Keep it up folks, I can use 'em. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing. Malcanis for CSM8
DarthNefarius Minmatar Heavy Industries 735	Posted - 2013.03.21 04:00:00 - [57] - Quote Mike Mulder wrote: Actually, James decided today to not run for CSM. This adds credence to those that think Jame315 is mittans alt Ripard Teg-á for CSM 8
dark heartt I Own Four Sheep Silent Requiem 70	Posted - 2013.03.21 04:29:00 - [58] - Quote DarthNefarius wrote: Mike Mulder wrote: Actually, James decided today to not run for CSM. This adds credence to those that think Jame315 is mittans alt Do people actually think that? Seriously?
Alara IonStorm 4682	Posted - 2013.03.21 04:47:00 - [59] - Quote dark heartt wrote: DarthNefarius wrote: This adds credence to those that think Jame315 is mittans alt Do people actually think that? Seriously? See the C in this Photo. It proves that James is a prop of Mittani. The evidence is right there.
Sentamon 781	Posted - 2013.03.21 05:38:00 - [60] - Quote Solstice Project wrote: I love how he always has good intentions for the game, while all the stupid, hypocritical, jealous, sociopath carebears can't do anything else than calling him the devil himself and how he wants to destroy EvE. Never trust a Goon. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~



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