Single Transferable Vote and You
STV is the new voting system for CSM8, which means that 'overvotes' are a thing of the past. If I had run under a STV system for CSM7, my 10,058 votes would have translated into the top spot for me, as well as #2, 3 and 4 spots for whoever was under my ticket. I advocated against a STV system as I believe it would allow nullsec to completely rig the election with maximal efficiency; Two Step likewise warned against this. CSM8 will be a test of my Cassandra-like warnings. Organization wins elections. Nullsec blocs are the most organized entities in Eve, because the disorganized ones get destroyed. STV gives voters a roster of candidates to rank; your average unaligned voter in hisec will put in maybe one or two candidate names. Your average nullsec voter, motivated by his bloc and their incentives/whipping methods, will fill out the entire ballot based on a voting guide provided to him by his leadership.

IMHO I think it'll be worse for HI SEC representation then mittens predicted unless HI SECers actually go out & vote ( ha ) they will either have 1 or zero reps ( depending on if you think James 315 as being a HI SEC candidate which I don't , if so then 2 or 1 )

Only time will tell if my ( mittiani, and Two Steps ) predictions about CSM becomming a 'NULL only thing' which I often hear it described as in fleets but I think it can be constructively disscussed here in GD...

I love how he always has good intentions for the game,
while all the stupid, hypocritical, jealous, sociopath carebears can't do anything else
than calling him the devil himself and how he wants to destroy EvE.

Good, we can get something done in the CSM for once.

The fact is that getting the HighSec player base to band together to do anything is like herding cats.

The fact is that getting the HighSec player base to band together to do anything is like herding cats.

I'm not sure what people expect the CSM to "get done".

Their function is to act as a sounding board for CCP, to provide constructive feed back and lend a focus and face to the opinions of the community.

They aren't there to dictate policy to CCP.

"CSM Member" is a position that bloggers who think they're awesome "communicators" aspire to.

Yep, which makes sense. Eloquent communication, both to CCP and to the community is pretty much the name of the game. That and a solid understanding not only of the game mechanics, but of how people use (or will use) them.

Herding cats is easy: Open a can of tuna in the place where you want the cats to be.

Hi-Sec'ers, on the other hand, are magnetic mono-poles. They repel each other violently, so can consequently can only go in opposition of their own best interests.

CCP ... they would never let the CSM jeopardize the subscription income brought in by the high sec players.

Those who do not like the system can try beating it by getting the most votes. If this is too much effort then they are doing it wrong.

maybe if there was only one ice belt in hi-sec...

Implying that high-sec players are a majority that are not majorly WH, low-, and null-sec alts.

Beating the system by submitting to it? That makes no sense at all.

Only way to express your displeasure with the CSM its system is to vote abstain.

CCP is well aware of how the CSM is shifted in favour of nullsec.

CCP's number one priority is to keep all players "comfortable" to the degree they can without scaring away any specific group and they would never let the CSM jeopardize the subscription income brought in by the high sec players.

Not sure if you missed the sarcasm or detected it and cleverly rebutted with additional sarcasm. <_<

Beating the system by submitting to it? That makes no sense at all.

Only way to express your displeasure with the CSM its system is to vote abstain.

Only way to express your displeasure with the CSM its system is to vote abstain.

Only way to express your displeasure with the CSM its system is to vote abstain.

I "saw" your sarcasm and raised you a "but that's not actually a bad thing".

Except when said blogger has an over-inflated sense of their "communication" skills. Also, the bolded part makes me laugh even though I now realize we're not talking about the same person.

Why? Well there are a lot of Hi Sec Corps who do get powerful, so they have 100 members, they then join with 8 more corps to get 500 members and are looking into wormholes and low sec and defending from war. At some point they notice that they are no longer a Mom and Pop operation and in search of greater opportunities they set them self up in wait for it... Null Sec. Or Wormholes some times.

Hi Sec isn't inducive to power because all the Hi Sec people who can organize themselves do and then they leave.

Hi-sec will get representation, James 315.

I take it you base this premise of CCP Infallability because of CCP's awesomeness & spectacluar history of never making anything unbalanced

i'm going to laugh so hard if he gets on to the CSM.

Hi-sec will get representation, James 315.

And if null is so highly represented why has 0.0 been broken for years, and nothing done about it?

Hi-sec will get representation, James 315.

Actually, James decided today to not run for CSM.

saves himself the embarrassment of having nobody vote for him, i guess.

I laughed. He pulled out because, 'WAAAA NDA means I can't nerf anything, and now CCP picks who goes to Iceland so I'm going to throw in my towel and not even bother.'

The guy is a joke who is good for some tears on his blog, but most of the other stuff he talks about is like the ramblings of a madman. I personally have nothing against him and the gameplay he inspires, but he certainly isn't the sort of person who would get votes from anyone in high sec.

While I do find James and his cronies a joke

I do not find the idea that CCP can chose the 5 going to Iceland a joke.

It was a massive hit to the players power within the CSM

And frankly I think we can save time by just refering to those people as the brown nosing 5.

And yet it would allow them to actually reward those who put effort into the CSM, so people who are just troll candidates like Darius III won't get elected into a spot where they can do nothing and still go to Iceland. It's not as ideal as the CSM voting on it, but it's better than that.

IMO it don't matter who gets on the CSM. They go tell CCP things CCP already knows because the Devs read the forums too, CCP says "thanks for all the help" and then usually end the meetings by either saying they don't have the code to fix the issues or their working on it some time soon. CCP then does whatever they are going to do cause its their game. At the end of the day and the CSM is a way to make players feel good about having a voice. Much like voting new politicians to congress changes U.S. policy...

i'm going to laugh so hard if he gets on to the CSM.

And yet it would allow them to actually reward those who put effort into the CSM, so people who are just troll candidates like Darius III won't get elected into a spot where they can do nothing and still go to Iceland. It's not as ideal as the CSM voting on it, but it's better than that.

James has taken his hat out of the race. He has decided that the candidacy would negatively affect his blog and outreach by curtailing what information he can post about.

Do you mean as apposed to the last 2 CSM secretaries who haven't done their jobs?

So no it will not reward hard work, it will reward those who play the game, and pucker up.

I hope you're not talking about Two Step because he's been a goddamn excellent secretary.

Actually, James decided today to not run for CSM.

This adds credence to those that think Jame315 is mittans alt

Do people actually think that? Seriously?

I love how he always has good intentions for the game,
while all the stupid, hypocritical, jealous, sociopath carebears can't do anything else
than calling him the devil himself and how he wants to destroy EvE.

IMHO I think it'll be worse for HI SEC representation then mittens predicted...

Never trust a Goon.

quite.

but you can't disagree on the fact that no matter what you think of goons, they are the home to some of the brightest and most innovative players in eve. i often think that's why they're the victim of such hate.

i like the goons, personally.
still, i wouldn't trust them.

They remind me of a Used car dealer I used to know. Smart as a tac, friendly as hell, real nice guy.

But I wouldn't trust him with a dollar of mine.

It's because those carebears are too narrow mindedly self interested to see or care about the big picture. That makes them so easy to beat at , well, everything lol.

IMHO I think it'll be worse for HI SEC representation then mittens predicted unless HI SECers actually go out & vote ( ha ) they will either have 1 or zero reps ( depending on if you think James 315 as being a HI SEC candidate which I don't , if so then 2 or 1 )

Only time will tell if my ( mittiani, and Two Steps ) predictions about CSM becomming a 'NULL only thing' which I often hear it described as in fleets but I think it can be constructively disscussed here in GD...

Too bad he is in the pockets of nulsec idealism.

There don't seem to be many "hi-sec" reps running in any case. Given that the deadline for submitting apps to CCP has passed, all the candidates must now have declared. Which of those who have declared would you consider a "hi sec" rep?

CCP should roll a D12 followed by a D10 divided by 2 ... Then a D8. That should give them the month, week and day of the election. A day before-hand they post it on the forums and we all go and vote for somebody.

Maybe that will save us from the self-same threads year after year after year after year after year.

Which, you know, is amusing as we get to see the same rot every time. But I'd much rather read about the people who forgot to train racial Cruisers to 4, yeah?

Beating the system by submitting to it? That makes no sense at all.

Only way to express your displeasure with the CSM its system is to vote abstain.

i don't understand why the people running for CSM are pigeon holed like that...

Why even bother wwith this farce
CSM was and always will be a PR tool for CCP aslong less than 20 % of elegible voters vote this will not change

CCP does what ever the pleases and the CSM will never have any influence in the descision making , not aslong as i said less than 20% of the voters even bother to vote

i'm going to laugh so hard if he gets on to the CSM.

surely it would be more logical for people to vote for candidates who simply understand game mechanics and have some idea of what balance is, rather than trying to push a CSM full of people who will just bias one section of eve over another?

Read the article.

Mittens for CSM8.

So, if I vote for him, despite better knowledge, I could sleep well with the knowledge that I helped make a person happy?

My thinking:

Mittens wants to ruin the game:
- why would someone that puts in an epic amount of energy in a game want it destroyed again? They don't. Their intentions are to make it better (even if that means making it worse for the average player).

Voting changes:
- STV solves what issue again? Seems more like
It intensifies the original issue by orders of magnitude if this declaration is correct. Isn't their a better way?

CSM is useless / doesn't represent me:
- CSM might be toothless but at least they do exist and do pass messages from the collective back. Keep them!

How much advertising has CCP done on the new voting system? I only follow FBI feeds and news at login. But I do follow those two closely when possible

Now you are just being reasonable. Stop that.

can i haz so good "something" to smoke?

All this democracy stuff is nonsense. We need a king!

when i'm king you'll be first against the wall

You can smoke what I'm smoking easily. Just go outside, gather up some REALITY, roll it up in a fattie and smoke it. Problem solved.

Most high sec folks (the real ones, not my alts , of which their are many) are solo, casual and mostly PVE players. They don't usually give a flying fornication about anything except themselves and what they are doing.

"hi-sec" can't even organize enough to swat a fly (relatively speaking) like James 315. To busy crunching rocks, saving that dumb assed damsel for the 50,000th time or undercutting that other guy selling hardeners on the market by 0.01 isk......

Just ABOLISH the CSM.

Not really a solution that many people want, but it's the only solution that treats everyone equally -- which is where a sizeable amount of the bitching is rooted, in the "issue" of Equality.

Personally, I enjoy the scandal and the dramarama -- but all good things must come to an end.

Just ABOLISH the CSM.

Not really a solution that many people want, but it's the only solution that treats everyone equally -- which is where a sizeable amount of the bitching is rooted, in the "issue" of Equality.

Personally, I enjoy the scandal and the dramarama -- but all good things must come to an end.

That is not just high sec players...

James never submitted his application, so therefore you can save your laughter.

tl;dr? James isn't running.

I'm not sure what people expect the CSM to "get done".

Their function is to act as a sounding board for CCP, to provide constructive feed back and lend a focus and face to the opinions of the community.

They aren't there to dictate policy to CCP.

That is a very good summary of what the CSM does.

You forgot to add CSM's function as a scapgoat & an fire extinguisher when higher up DEV's & CCP exec's screw up

Does anyone really care anymore? Except for the Mittens contingent of course.

CSM is a joke, a way for CCP to claim they are involving the player base, while paying off a few players who they think help drive the game.
What has come from the CSM that is actually in the game? Other than fluff of course.

And if null is so highly represented why has 0.0 been broken for years, and nothing done about it?

/tinfoil hat

Well the word on the street is that mittens ALT James315 isn't in the running... not sure what lame ass excuse he's made up but I doubt he ever intended to go through with it. The run up to the candidacy deadline was fun to watch as peeps screamed about James315's being on the CSM would make them quit.... well played mittens, well played

/tinfoil hat

James 315 is James 315, not an alt of somebody else. He isn't running for the CSM because he realized why a position on the CSM would be highly incompatible with his office as the Supreme Protector of Halaima and Saviour of Highsec, understandably so.

What you meant to say was "Mittani can't be two CSMs at once."