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dexington
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.21 07:30:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:IMHO I think it'll be worse for HI SEC representation then mittens predicted...
Who seriously care... don't get me wrong, i like the idea of the csm it's a cool eve gimmick, but it's really nothing more.
They are no say in the development of eve, if they did null would be in a lot better shape, it's nothing more then PR.
I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
Liafcipe9000
Smeghead Empire
1732
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Posted - 2013.03.21 08:03:00 -
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solution: VOTE FOR ALL THE CANDIDATES \ / |
Dave Stark
2065
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Posted - 2013.03.21 09:22:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Solstice Project wrote:I love how he always has good intentions for the game,
while all the stupid, hypocritical, jealous, sociopath carebears can't do anything else
than calling him the devil himself and how he wants to destroy EvE. Never trust a Goon.
quite.
but you can't disagree on the fact that no matter what you think of goons, they are the home to some of the brightest and most innovative players in eve. i often think that's why they're the victim of such hate.
i like the goons, personally.
still, i wouldn't trust them.
Want miners to move from high sec to null sec?
Then give them a reason to join player corps, and stop null sec grav sites being worth less isk/hour than high sec asteroid belts.
Really isn't difficult. |
Frying Doom
1997
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Posted - 2013.03.21 09:25:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Sentamon wrote:Solstice Project wrote:I love how he always has good intentions for the game,
while all the stupid, hypocritical, jealous, sociopath carebears can't do anything else
than calling him the devil himself and how he wants to destroy EvE. Never trust a Goon. quite. but you can't disagree on the fact that no matter what you think of goons, they are the home to some of the brightest and most innovative players in eve. i often think that's why they're the victim of such hate. i like the goons, personally. still, i wouldn't trust them.
They remind me of a Used car dealer I used to know. Smart as a tac, friendly as hell, real nice guy.
But I wouldn't trust him with a dollar of mine.
We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence
CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault.
Stupid Signature Broke
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Dave Stark
2065
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Posted - 2013.03.21 09:30:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Sentamon wrote:Solstice Project wrote:I love how he always has good intentions for the game,
while all the stupid, hypocritical, jealous, sociopath carebears can't do anything else
than calling him the devil himself and how he wants to destroy EvE. Never trust a Goon. quite. but you can't disagree on the fact that no matter what you think of goons, they are the home to some of the brightest and most innovative players in eve. i often think that's why they're the victim of such hate. i like the goons, personally. still, i wouldn't trust them. They remind me of a Used car dealer I used to know. Smart as a tac, friendly as hell, real nice guy. But I wouldn't trust him with a dollar of mine.
sounds about right, to be honest.
Want miners to move from high sec to null sec?
Then give them a reason to join player corps, and stop null sec grav sites being worth less isk/hour than high sec asteroid belts.
Really isn't difficult. |
March rabbit
No Name No Pain
590
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Posted - 2013.03.21 09:32:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Solstice Project wrote:I love how he always has good intentions for the game,
while all the stupid, hypocritical, jealous, sociopath carebears can't do anything else
than calling him the devil himself and how he wants to destroy EvE. It's because those carebears are too narrow mindedly self interested to see or care about the big picture. That makes them so easy to beat at , well, everything lol.
can i haz so good "something" to smoke?  |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
8239
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Posted - 2013.03.21 09:41:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote: on the mitani dot rag The Goons Evil Overlord wrote:
Single Transferable Vote and You
STV is the new voting system for CSM8, which means that 'overvotes' are a thing of the past. If I had run under a STV system for CSM7, my 10,058 votes would have translated into the top spot for me, as well as #2, 3 and 4 spots for whoever was under my ticket. I advocated against a STV system as I believe it would allow nullsec to completely rig the election with maximal efficiency; Two Step likewise warned against this. CSM8 will be a test of my Cassandra-like warnings. Organization wins elections. Nullsec blocs are the most organized entities in Eve, because the disorganized ones get destroyed. STV gives voters a roster of candidates to rank; your average unaligned voter in hisec will put in maybe one or two candidate names. Your average nullsec voter, motivated by his bloc and their incentives/whipping methods, will fill out the entire ballot based on a voting guide provided to him by his leadership.
IMHO I think it'll be worse for HI SEC representation then mittens predicted unless HI SECers actually go out & vote ( ha ) they will either have 1 or zero reps ( depending on if you think James 315 as being a HI SEC candidate which I don't , if so then 2 or 1 ) Only time will tell if my ( mittiani, and Two Steps ) predictions about CSM becomming a 'NULL only thing' which I often hear it described as in fleets but I think it can be constructively disscussed here in GD...
There don't seem to be many "hi-sec" reps running in any case. Given that the deadline for submitting apps to CCP has passed, all the candidates must now have declared. Which of those who have declared would you consider a "hi sec" rep?
Vote for Malcanis for CSM8
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
8239
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Posted - 2013.03.21 09:43:00 -
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Bane Veradun wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Hi-sec will get representation, James 315. Too bad he is in the pockets of nulsec idealism.
Too bad he quit the race.
Vote for Malcanis for CSM8
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Dave Stark
2065
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Posted - 2013.03.21 09:46:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:There don't seem to be many "hi-sec" reps running in any case. Given that the deadline for submitting apps to CCP has passed, all the candidates must now have declared. Which of those who have declared would you consider a "hi sec" rep?
i don't understand why the people running for CSM are pigeon holed like that. i appreciate each player will have their area of expertise with regards to which security space they live in, be it null, empire, or wormhole space etc but surely it would be more logical for people to vote for candidates who simply understand game mechanics and have some idea of what balance is, rather than trying to push a CSM full of people who will just bias one section of eve over another?
Want miners to move from high sec to null sec?
Then give them a reason to join player corps, and stop null sec grav sites being worth less isk/hour than high sec asteroid belts.
Really isn't difficult. |
Ai Shun
915
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Posted - 2013.03.21 09:46:00 -
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CCP should roll a D12 followed by a D10 divided by 2 ... Then a D8. That should give them the month, week and day of the election. A day before-hand they post it on the forums and we all go and vote for somebody.
Maybe that will save us from the self-same threads year after year after year after year after year.
Which, you know, is amusing as we get to see the same rot every time. But I'd much rather read about the people who forgot to train racial Cruisers to 4, yeah?
Malcanis for CSM7 - here
Malcanis on High-sec - here |
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Dave Stark
2065
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Posted - 2013.03.21 09:49:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:CCP should roll a D12 followed by a D10 divided by 2 ... Then a D8. That should give them the month, week and day of the election. A day before-hand they post it on the forums and we all go and vote for somebody.
Maybe that will save us from the self-same threads year after year after year after year after year.
Which, you know, is amusing as we get to see the same rot every time. But I'd much rather read about the people who forgot to train racial Cruisers to 4, yeah?
that's fine you only need racial cruisers to 3.
Want miners to move from high sec to null sec?
Then give them a reason to join player corps, and stop null sec grav sites being worth less isk/hour than high sec asteroid belts.
Really isn't difficult. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
8239
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Posted - 2013.03.21 09:53:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:Whitehound wrote:Those who do not like the system can try beating it by getting the most votes. If this is too much effort then they are doing it wrong. Beating the system by submitting to it? That makes no sense at all. Only way to express your displeasure with the CSM its system is to vote abstain.
It makes a hell of a lot more sense than trying to beat it by quitting. You know, like you're trying to.
Good luck with that. I'll be over there, actually getting things done.
Vote for Malcanis for CSM8
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
8239
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Posted - 2013.03.21 09:54:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Malcanis wrote:There don't seem to be many "hi-sec" reps running in any case. Given that the deadline for submitting apps to CCP has passed, all the candidates must now have declared. Which of those who have declared would you consider a "hi sec" rep? i don't understand why the people running for CSM are pigeon holed like that...
Now you do.
Vote for Malcanis for CSM8
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread |
pussnheels
The Fiction Factory
1049
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Posted - 2013.03.21 10:09:00 -
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Why even bother wwith this farce
CSM was and always will be a PR tool for CCP aslong less than 20 % of elegible voters vote this will not change
CCP does what ever the pleases and the CSM will never have any influence in the descision making , not aslong as i said less than 20% of the voters even bother to vote
I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
8240
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Posted - 2013.03.21 10:11:00 -
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pussnheels wrote:Why even bother wwith this farce
CSM was and always will be a PR tool for CCP aslong less than 20 % of elegible voters vote this will not change
CCP does what ever the pleases and the CSM will never have any influence in the descision making , not aslong as i said less than 20% of the voters even bother to vote
So what you're advising is: is don't vote and keep it a farce instead of voting and making it less of one?
Pussnheels, everyone.
Vote for Malcanis for CSM8
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Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
71
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Posted - 2013.03.21 10:22:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Hi-sec will get representation, James 315. i'm going to laugh so hard if he gets on to the CSM.
So, if I vote for him, despite better knowledge, I could sleep well with the knowledge that I helped make a person happy?
There's nothing a million chinese guys can't do cheaper. |
Beckie DeLey
Living From Scraps
363
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Posted - 2013.03.21 10:32:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:surely it would be more logical for people to vote for candidates who simply understand game mechanics and have some idea of what balance is, rather than trying to push a CSM full of people who will just bias one section of eve over another?
Now you are just being reasonable. Stop that.
So... i started an industry blog at www.derbk.com/eve
There i am preparing a guide to all things related to manufacturing. Check it out!
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Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1088
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Posted - 2013.03.21 10:56:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Malcanis wrote:There don't seem to be many "hi-sec" reps running in any case. Given that the deadline for submitting apps to CCP has passed, all the candidates must now have declared. Which of those who have declared would you consider a "hi sec" rep? i don't understand why the people running for CSM are pigeon holed like that... Now you do.
Read the article.
Mittens for CSM8.
This is not a signature. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
8240
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Posted - 2013.03.21 11:02:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Malcanis wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Malcanis wrote:There don't seem to be many "hi-sec" reps running in any case. Given that the deadline for submitting apps to CCP has passed, all the candidates must now have declared. Which of those who have declared would you consider a "hi sec" rep? i don't understand why the people running for CSM are pigeon holed like that... Now you do. Read the article. Mittens for CSM8.
Vote for Malcanis for CSM8
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Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
719
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Posted - 2013.03.21 11:15:00 -
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Debora Tsung wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Hi-sec will get representation, James 315. i'm going to laugh so hard if he gets on to the CSM. So, if I vote for him, despite better knowledge, I could sleep well with the knowledge that I helped make a person happy?
James never submitted his application, so therefore you can save your laughter.
tl;dr? James isn't running.
Interdict Hi-Sec - it's the only way to be sure... |
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Apricot Baby
caldariprimeponyclub
21
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Posted - 2013.03.21 11:19:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Malcanis wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Malcanis wrote:There don't seem to be many "hi-sec" reps running in any case. Given that the deadline for submitting apps to CCP has passed, all the candidates must now have declared. Which of those who have declared would you consider a "hi sec" rep? i don't understand why the people running for CSM are pigeon holed like that... Now you do. Read the article. Mittens for CSM8.
Good read, thanks for the link.
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Earn rewards for taking part in this year's CSM Elections |
Spurty
V0LTA
Verge of Collapse
829
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Posted - 2013.03.21 11:41:00 -
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My thinking:
Mittens wants to ruin the game:
- why would someone that puts in an epic amount of energy in a game want it destroyed again? They don't. Their intentions are to make it better (even if that means making it worse for the average player).
Voting changes:
- STV solves what issue again? Seems more like
It intensifies the original issue by orders of magnitude if this declaration is correct. Isn't their a better way?
CSM is useless / doesn't represent me:
- CSM might be toothless but at least they do exist and do pass messages from the collective back. Keep them!
How much advertising has CCP done on the new voting system? I only follow FBI feeds and news at login. But I do follow those two closely when possible
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Onomerous
Shockwave Innovations
Shockwave Sovereign Industries
46
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Posted - 2013.03.21 12:39:00 -
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Spurty wrote:My thinking:
Mittens wants to ruin the game:
- why would someone that puts in an epic amount of energy in a game want it destroyed again? They don't. Their intentions are to make it better (even if that means making it worse for the average player).
Voting changes:
- STV solves what issue again? Seems more like
It intensifies the original issue by orders of magnitude if this declaration is correct. Isn't their a better way?
CSM is useless / doesn't represent me:
- CSM might be toothless but at least they do exist and do pass messages from the collective back. Keep them!
How much advertising has CCP done on the new voting system? I only follow FBI feeds and news at login. But I do follow those two closely when possible
I've seen that reasoning before and it doesn't make sense. Change better to different and I agree:
their intentions are to make it different (even if that means making it worse for the average player).
No doubt there are plenty running for the CSM who are willing to support ideas which only help their part of EVE while crapping on everyone else. They will carry a banner calling it 'a change to make EVE better'... yeah, and the world is flat!! |
Dave Stark
2069
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Posted - 2013.03.21 12:40:00 -
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Beckie DeLey wrote:Dave Stark wrote:surely it would be more logical for people to vote for candidates who simply understand game mechanics and have some idea of what balance is, rather than trying to push a CSM full of people who will just bias one section of eve over another? Now you are just being reasonable. Stop that.
sorry :(
Want miners to move from high sec to null sec?
Then give them a reason to join player corps, and stop null sec grav sites being worth less isk/hour than high sec asteroid belts.
Really isn't difficult. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific
Initiative Mercenaries
1507
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Posted - 2013.03.21 12:51:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Solstice Project wrote:I love how he always has good intentions for the game,
while all the stupid, hypocritical, jealous, sociopath carebears can't do anything else
than calling him the devil himself and how he wants to destroy EvE. It's because those carebears are too narrow mindedly self interested to see or care about the big picture. That makes them so easy to beat at , well, everything lol. can i haz so good "something" to smoke?
You can smoke what I'm smoking easily. Just go outside, gather up some REALITY, roll it up in a fattie and smoke it. Problem solved.
Most high sec folks (the real ones, not my alts , of which their are many) are solo, casual and mostly PVE players. They don't usually give a flying fornication about anything except themselves and what they are doing.
"hi-sec" can't even organize enough to swat a fly (relatively speaking) like James 315. To busy crunching rocks, saving that dumb assed damsel for the 50,000th time or undercutting that other guy selling hardeners on the market by 0.01 isk......
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Whitehound
1329
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Posted - 2013.03.21 12:55:00 -
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All this democracy stuff is nonsense. We need a king!
Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |
dexington
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
634
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Posted - 2013.03.21 13:13:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:All this democracy stuff is nonsense. We need a king!
when i'm king you'll be first against the wall
I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
Whitehound
1329
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Posted - 2013.03.21 13:18:00 -
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dexington wrote:Whitehound wrote:All this democracy stuff is nonsense. We need a king! when i'm king you'll be first against the wall
So you would be king for a day. Then what?
Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |
Felicity Love
STARKRAFT
Joint Venture Conglomerate
362
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Posted - 2013.03.21 14:01:00 -
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Just ABOLISH the CSM.
Not really a solution that many people want, but it's the only solution that treats everyone equally -- which is where a sizeable amount of the bitching is rooted, in the "issue" of Equality.
Personally, I enjoy the scandal and the dramarama -- but all good things must come to an end. 
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |
Onomerous
Shockwave Innovations
Shockwave Sovereign Industries
46
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Posted - 2013.03.21 14:17:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:March rabbit wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Solstice Project wrote:I love how he always has good intentions for the game,
while all the stupid, hypocritical, jealous, sociopath carebears can't do anything else
than calling him the devil himself and how he wants to destroy EvE. It's because those carebears are too narrow mindedly self interested to see or care about the big picture. That makes them so easy to beat at , well, everything lol. can i haz so good "something" to smoke? You can smoke what I'm smoking easily. Just go outside, gather up some REALITY, roll it up in a fattie and smoke it. Problem solved. Most high sec folks (the real ones, not my alts , of which their are many) are solo, casual and mostly PVE players. They don't usually give a flying fornication about anything except themselves and what they are doing.
"hi-sec" can't even organize enough to swat a fly (relatively speaking) like James 315. To busy crunching rocks, saving that dumb assed damsel for the 50,000th time or undercutting that other guy selling hardeners on the market by 0.01 isk......
That is not just high sec players... |
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