bigger and better.

Prime example is: If you wanted your stuff moved down to 0.0, you would form a gang, get a freighter and escort it down there. You'd fight off small raiding gangs if you could, and have to battle your way past larger ones. These days you undock, right click and jump to destination.

Which do you think makes for a better game? The answer is obvious, but EVE is too busy for fun features now, so a better game is neither achievable or profitable.

It had the same number of solar systems on the map (there were no w-space systems).

So you are saying a logistic nightmare for larger alliances and groups in nul is your idea of a better game? Alarm clock ops, which only dedicated players can make is a better game than one where even casual players who can contribute 3 hours during their timezone's evening hours is a better game?

I understand the desired for good fights, but a return to such days seems like making eve more pf a job for many, not a game. That risks alienating the player base and does not see like a wise idea.

Wrong.
Black rise wasn't there at all - nor were the drone regions. Both got added in expansions.

It was better in some ways, worse in others. I don't miss the days of warp to zero bookmarks for every gate though.

the domi was made of wood aswell

Security in hi-sec was a lot less. I think you used to be able to shoot ships in hi-sec without CONCORD coming to the rescue right away. It wasn't until that ship blew up that CONCORD intervened. I seem to remember being attacked, taken into structure, and ransomed a lot more often in the old days.

So you are saying a logistic nightmare for larger alliances and groups in nul is your idea of a better game? Alarm clock ops, which only dedicated players can make is a better game than one where even casual players who can contribute 3 hours during their timezone's evening hours is a better game?

I understand the desired for good fights, but a return to such days seems like making eve more pf a job for many, not a game. That risks alienating the player base and does not see like a wise idea.

you have to remember too ... the market practically wasn't there, or at least not nearly like what we have today.

Going far enough back, you didn't have mining barges ... or T2 fittings weren't that prevalent...

so, for example, Red Federation wanted a thorax BPO to stick it to those blues ...

EVERYONE in the corp would be doing whatever they could in order to scratch together enough ISK for the BPO ... then they'd all be working to get the minerals... in frigates with T1 lasers, maybe the richer people have some meta modules, or a cruiser... the richest 1 or 2 people might even have a battleship...

Again from my experience slightly further down the road, but consider the whole ASCN titan thing.

that first titan loss caused the collapse of the biggest alliance in game.

these days, almost every serious alliance has access to atleast 1 titan, with the biggest fielding 10 - 20 which they can replace if lost.

i wish people still had a reason to really work towards a great goal, at the beginning it was a cruiser or a bs, but the concept is the same, it brings a corp or alliance together and equally it can all be lost.

Return Nosferatu's to what they used to be. I'll play forever!

I think eve-kill is broken with the fitting (didn't cyvok DD before getting killed)?

and, at the time of the kill -- it cost a billion isk (again, eve-kill is probably confused). Most of us have more than that in our personal wallets...

killmails sued to be sent as eve-mails so old stuff doesn't show up properly on killboards. Damage amounts and fittings and values are all wrong. The value was circa 65bil though.

the domi was made of wood aswell

I've been a EvE addict for a few years now but I can still remember how quickly I was hooked simply on the open sandbox concept the game was based on and how new and unexplored it all appeared. To this day i'm still learning new things, most especially how quickly my shiny things tend to blow up.

But it got me thinking, since EvE is crossing the double digit mark, what was New Eden like for those who have been here since time began? Was it this vast expanse of emptiness with some rats and NPC's thrown in? What was the value of isk by comparison of today's market?

......and more interestingly, what were the forums like?

Different, highsec was much safer and had fewer people in it because "endgame content" was perceived to be blowing up stuff in 0.0. Considering the most basic stuff - by today's standards - was fairly hard to get, that's not surprising.

Also people could live in their choosen space without having to deal with T3 farming fleets, shooting an inanimate tower for hours on end or getting hotdropped by bored randoms from the other of the universe because they can

Traveling actually meant moving slowly through at times hostile space and actively particpiating in defending your stuff rather than watching a pretty cyno animation or contracting goods to BF. You couldn't cloak through hundreds of systems, if you ran into a gatecamp you better have a bookmark or a combat ship.

A lot of things have improved in the past years, like the big fleet lagfests for instance, the UI which is our window into New Eden, etc.

In a way though, a lot of opportunities for the fabled emergent gameplay have been lost along the way or sacrificed for more diversiity in other areas or player convenience. A little bit of the old deal with it when it comes to certain areas could probably spice things up again.

Imagine what would happen if there was no warp to 0 and no cyno traveling tomorrow.

so, for example, Red Federation wanted a thorax BPO to stick it to those blues ...

It had the same number of solar systems on the map (there were no w-space systems).

......and more interestingly, what were the forums like?

Woah, how old IS RvB?

I started playing just after the first expansion was released. That expansion included interceptors and the first t2 modules.

Battleships were the biggest class of ships, no capital ships at all (including freighters). Also no tier 3 battleships.
There were no battlecruisers or destoryers
No warp to zero, it was 15km minimum
Cruisers were considered pretty expensive, if you had a battleship you were rich.
Torps did splash damage
Stacking penalties didn't exist, Gankgeddons with 8 heatsinks in the low were pretty common.
You could stack mwds and go really really fast.
No probes or cloaks
You couldn't make alliances
No pos or outposts
No level 4 agents
No deadspace complexes

man some things were a blast thats for sure

bigger and better.

Prime example is: If you wanted your stuff moved down to 0.0, you would form a gang, get a freighter and escort it down there. You'd fight off small raiding gangs if you could, and have to battle your way past larger ones. These days you undock, right click and jump to destination.

Which do you think makes for a better game? The answer is obvious, but EVE is too busy for fun features now, so a better game is neither achievable or profitable.

Oh I forgot

- no 24hr skill queue, so setting alarms for 3am to make sure you don't miss those precious hours of training!

Lets see in my day it was:

- Lag, Yulai, Lag, lag and a bit more lag
- Low sec was generally safe, no gate camps other than M00
- Everyone was NICE, litterally everyone seemed friendly, except M00 (they were the Goons of the day as in did weird stuff)
- Mining with 7 t2 lasers in a megathron- Isk was hard to come by, you really had to work for it and 50K really was a good mark up
- Low population meant that the world seemed empty and you were the first person there...sadly lost
- No warp to 0 so bookmarking was a serious skill, and profitable to sell
- If you had a battleship you were a god!

Oh I forgot

- no 24hr skill queue, so setting alarms for 3am to make sure you don't miss those precious hours of training!

How dare you not mention the MIGHTY APOC ... the god of mining

And indeed allmost everyone was friendly , chattered before and after killing/being killed.Offcourse people got butthurt but not as these days where people get BUTTHUUUUUUUUUURT over nothing.


My favourite was a raven fitted in meds with allmost only sensor boosters and low only ballistic controls .... you could allmost instalock and instakill anything smaller then a bs when gatecamping in null.No stacking penalty was fun :)

I believe a few areas like Ammatar and Khanid were added a few years later.

less children played EVE too, it'd be interesting to see a user age graph over time if there was one.

How dare you not mention the MIGHTY APOC ... the god of mining

i am not a first mover but still remember minining in BS (mega with all mining lasers) and real dedicated haulers and dedicated protection... that was fun. sneaking into low / null to get the "holy grail of ores".....

trading bookmarks and / or paying hefty sums for them. and stealing them was a profession (like "i have the BM-¦s of this / that corp... want to buy ?")

pirates ransomed and let you live afterwards.

people were friendly and polite, treid to help each other out more. no null-pvp-high-carebear wars and everyone really seemed to understand that it all was intertwined and connected. that you really needed each other.

building the first battleship was such a big goal .... actually being able to fly one too.

losing stuff meant hard work to get it back.

isk was premium and having millions was a LOT of money.

not so many players had alts and multiple toons. 10k players was A LOT being online.


it all seemed so big. so endless in possibilities. and stuff like "one day i will have my own star system" was a real possibility. now its either you are a hardcore metagaming t33l pvp that looks down and talsk down to others or a whining carebear. the real nice and friendly community is almost gone. at least hard to find

So you are saying a logistic nightmare for larger alliances and groups in nul is your idea of a better game? Alarm clock ops, which only dedicated players can make is a better game than one where even casual players who can contribute 3 hours during their timezone's evening hours is a better game?

I understand the desired for good fights, but a return to such days seems like making eve more pf a job for many, not a game. That risks alienating the player base and does not see like a wise idea.

In the beginning, it was much like it is right now.

The UI was so bad, it actually made people cry. Like, literally, people cried from dealing with EVE's UI. And it's pretty much the same now.

The UI text was too damn small then. It's too damn small still. And a decade wasn't enough time to allow custom fonts and sizes into the game, something most games (especially MMOs) have had as a standard feature for quite a while.

Some people enjoyed the mining, which was as mind-numbingly boring then as it is now.

In short, same old.

BIG really BIG. You could travel far and wide for hours and not come across anyone else but when you did you'd stop and chat. I miss it